A culture of violence

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  • Monsieur le prof Sandy, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 9:57 p.m.

    @ Howard Beal: I don't know that anyone is claiming moral authority here, nor that any generation is any better than another. Mob behavior is irrational, and has been since the beginning of time. I believe the article is pointing out that the age level of the perpetrators is getting younger and that exposure to violence may be the reason.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 7:30 p.m.

    My radical take is that the US has no moral authority on this, nor do generations of the past versus the young ones of today. In America we have had riots that after further analysis were as violent, or more so, than the riots in the UK and just as meaningless in rampant destruction and callousness towards fellow man. We had riots in NYC in the 1860's, we had riots across America in the 1960's and 1970's and a riot that killed many more people than the UK riots in 1992 in LA. We have had riots at other times in our history.

    Well in the 1860's there wasn't much TV, in the 1960's Gunsmoke was about as violent as it got. Perhaps social media is aiding in the actual "organization" of rioters/looters but isn't causing the violence, nor is the violence in popular culture. The Tammany Hall culture of NYC in the 1860's was violent enough and again it wasn't because of reality television or the movies.

    Us older folk need to get over ourselves that we are that much superior morally than this younger generation because under the microscope, we aren't.

  • Monsieur le prof Sandy, UT
    Aug. 17, 2011 6:20 p.m.

    This reminds me of the Watts riots back in the 70's. Angy people taking advantage of the confusion and riots to rob and vandalize and burn, with no apparent reason other than they wanted to express their disatisfaction with life. Others just wanted to rob.

    I think much of this "culture of violence" comes from the fact that Europeans have turned away from religion and see no reason to follow the mores of society that used to keep people in line. This dependence on a secular society has made them beholden to the government.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 15, 2011 5:30 p.m.

    Arm of Orion | 3:19 p.m. Aug. 15, 2011
    Cottonwood Heights, UT
    In fact LDS I think that this can be boiled down even to its purest essence and to the original sin of pride. If one is prideful then all other sins come into play. Why because you consider yourself above another.

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    Agreed!

    And that same "Pride" [aka, selfishness] and greed was what destroyed the more righteous Nephites (the Members).

    It would appear that Satan has nearly complete control over the hearts and minds of the Latter-Day Nephites....right here.

    Zarahelma = Salt Lake City.
    Coincidence?!

  • Mukkake Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2011 5:22 p.m.

    Jingoism and "Patriotism" must also contribute to this "Culture of Violence". After all we teach children from the moment they enter school about the nobility of revolution. About the "bravery" on Lexington Green as insurgents impeded a lawful police action.

    How are these rioting brats in England any different than the rioting brats of the "Boston Tea Party" or the "Boston Massacre"? Those brats too were involved in the destruction of other peoples property and disrepespecting law enforcement authorities.

    Where was the personal responsibility there?

  • Arm of Orion Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 15, 2011 3:19 p.m.

    In fact LDS I think that this can be boiled down even to its purest essence and to the original sin of pride. If one is prideful then all other sins come into play. Why because you consider yourself above another.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 15, 2011 2:26 p.m.

    Some psychologists have pointed out that not all violence is physical. A culture of violence is also fed by ruthless competition, material consumption and a lifestyle that emphasizes individual gain over sacrifice and service.

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    Q: So, what could possible be the Common Denominator?

    A: Selfishness.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Aug. 15, 2011 9:46 a.m.

    Yeah this "culture of violence" is all new...

    Moroni 9:8
    8 And the husbands and fathers of those women and children they have slain; and they feed the women upon the flesh of their husbands, and the children upon the flesh of their fathers; and no water, save a little, do they give unto them.

    Lev. 26: 29.
    29 And ye shall aeat the bflesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.

    Religious teachings rely on violence, but that kind is OK, right?

  • pmccombs Orem, UT
    Aug. 15, 2011 9:09 a.m.

    @John Charity Spring,

    Spoiled and lazy criminals? Perhaps not:

    "A culture of violence is also fed by ruthless competition, material consumption and a lifestyle that emphasizes individual gain over sacrifice and service."

    Why would lazy people go to all that effort and risk in order to take what isn't theirs? These aren't lazy people, they are hyper-individualists and self-interested people. The chief virtue of liberal economics, the virtue of selfishness, is what has shone through in these riots. That's what Cameron is talking about these days; people who believe in rights without responsibility.

    You've correlated the "amoral and corrupt entertainment system" to the wrong social meme. It belongs rather to the crowd that believes too strongly in the the idea that government--or anybody for that matter--ought not meddle with the sovereign self.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 15, 2011 8:57 a.m.

    The reason people submit to governments is for the protection. The reason for submitting to lesser governments is mostly the same. Lesser governments are churches, religions, unions, and every other collective sort, including gangs.

    I think that the reason people put so much into their lesser governments is because their main political government fails to protect. Business controls governments beyond the gang and is the main enemy of the people. It's not that business wants to hurt you, they just want your money. And if you get hurt in the process, that's just collateral damage.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2011 7:33 a.m.

    Nothing that about 12 hours a day of hard physical work will not solve.

  • John Charity Spring Alloway, NJ
    Aug. 15, 2011 12:40 a.m.

    The modern entertainment industry has an open and stated agenda of promoting violence, substance abuse, and immorality. While those who care about society condemn this agenda, the Supreme Court supports it under the guise of protecting freedom of speech. Meanwhile, the rates of crime, addiction, sexual deviancy continue to skyrockets.

    The Founding Fathers would be appalled by the idea that freedom of speech protected the right to promote criminal violence. Indeed, they fought the revolution to banish such conduct from this continent.

    Does the American public really want to turn this Country into yet another post-Christian European welfare state in which spoiled and lazy criminals are allowed to spend their time victimizing others, while having their food and housing provided for by the government? If so, follow the Supreme Court's example of supporting an amoral and corrupt entertainment system.