2012 GOP race jolted with straw poll, Perry entry

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  • SpanishImmersed Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 15, 2011 9:41 a.m.

    All the focus on Bachmann, when Ron Paul was a co-winner when you look at how close he was to her vote count. I guess Ron Paul is already considered a fringe candidate redux.

    Now the media is questioning Bachmann's experience, just a tad more than Obama's their saying.

    Huckabee won last time, so this straw poll is some sort of conservative Christian ritual that doesn't mean much to the real campaign.

    About all it did was give Pawlenty an option to retreat before wasting anymore time and money, although he was more qualified than either Bachmann or Paul.

  • SnowCanyonDad SANTA CLARA, UT
    Aug. 15, 2011 6:27 a.m.

    Peter, I didn't mean to be hard on myself. I take a line from Men in Black. A person is smart people are stupid (sic). I believe our creator won't let America fall, as far as we are living the way our creator would like us to live. We all have free will and choice, those making selfcentered and selfish decisions not benefiting the country will bring an end to America as we know.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Aug. 14, 2011 11:39 p.m.

    You posters up above who claim that conservatives are not enthusiastic about the Republican presidential candidates for 2012 are drinking gallons of liberal kool-aid.

    Are you kidding me??

    Every single conservative I talk to (and I talk to a lot!) are absolutely THRILLED with those who are running because we all know that every single one of them is light years ahead of the guy in the White House now.

    But, hey, if ya'll want to keep trying to spread lies, go right ahead.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Aug. 14, 2011 7:19 p.m.


    #12 Rick Perry often gives speeches about illegal immigration, but when you look at the facts, he has been incredibly soft on the issue. If Rick Perry does not plan to secure the border, then he should not be president because illegal immigration is absolutely devastating many areas of the southwest United States.

    #13 In 2007, 221,000 residents of Texas were making minimum wage or less. By 2010, that number had risen to 550,000.

    #14 Rick Perry actually issued an executive order in 2007 that would have forced almost every single girl in the state of Texas to receive the Gardasil vaccine before entering the sixth grade. Perry would have put parents in a position where they would have had to fill out an application and beg the government not to inject their child with a highly controversial vaccine. Since then, very serious safety issues regarding this vaccine have come to light. Fortunately, lawmakers in Texas blocked what Perry was trying to do.

    Vote Ron Paul.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Aug. 14, 2011 7:16 p.m.


    #8 Between December 2007 and April 2011, weekly wages in the U.S. increased by about 5 percent. In the state of Texas they increased by just 0.6% over that same time period.

    9 Texas now has one of the worst education systems in the nation. The following is from an opinion piece that was actually authored by Barbara Bush earlier this year.

     We rank 36th in the nation in high school graduation rates. An estimated 3.8 million Texans do not have a high school diploma.

     We rank 49th in verbal SAT scores, 47th in literacy and 46th in average math SAT scores.

     We rank 33rd in the nation on teacher salaries.

    #10 Rick Perry attended the Bilderberg Group meetings in 2007. Associating himself with that organization should be a red flag for all American voters.

    #11 Texas has the highest percentage of workers making minimum wage out of all 50 states.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Aug. 14, 2011 7:13 p.m.


    #4 Rick Perry has spearheaded the effort to lease roads in Texas to foreign companies, to turn roads that are already free to drive on into toll roads, and to develop the Trans-Texas Corridor which would be part of the planned NAFTA superhighway system. If you really do deep research on this whole Trans-Texas Corridor nonsense you will see why no American should ever cast a single vote for Rick Perry.

    #5 Rick Perry claims that he has a track record of not raising taxes. That is a false claim. Rick Perry has repeatedly raised taxes and fees while he has been governor. Today, Texans are faced with significantly higher taxes and fees than they were before Rick Perry was elected.

    6 Even with the oil boom in Texas, 23 states have a lower unemployment rate than Texas does.

    7 Back in 1988, Rick Perry supported Al Gore for president. In fact, Rick Perry actually served as Al Gores campaign chairman in the state of Texas that year.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Aug. 14, 2011 7:11 p.m.

    Do you really want Perry to be president? If you are conservative these facts will shock you.

    #1 Rick Perry is a big government politician. When Rick Perry became the governor of Texas in 2000, the total spending by the Texas state government was approximately $49 billion. Ten years later it was approximately $90 billion. That is not exactly reducing the size of government.

    #2 The debt of the state of Texas is out of control. According to usdebtclock.org, the debt to GDP ratio in Texas is 22.9% and the debt per citizen is $10,645. In California (a total financial basket case), the debt to GDP ratio is just 18.7% and the debt per citizen is only $9932. If Rick Perry runs for president these are numbers he will want to keep well hidden.

    #3 The total debt of the Texas government has more than doubled since Rick Perry became governor. So what would the U.S. national debt look like after four (or eight) years of Rick Perry?

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Aug. 14, 2011 5:55 p.m.

    I love how faux news and their followers in our country love to hate President Obama.

    He must really be doing the right things to get CONS all up in arms about him.

    In other words...

    I love how (fill in the blank) news and their followers in our country love to hate (fill in the blank).

    (He/She/They) must really be doing the right things to get (fill in the blank) all up in arms about Him/Her/Them).


  • peter Alpine, UT
    Aug. 14, 2011 5:29 p.m.

    SnowCanyonDad--don't be too hard on yourself re: Obama's first term. People were fooled by color, a glib tongue, and the media, which have nothing to do with principle-based leadership. Shame on the media.
    If Obama gets re-elected for a second term, shame on us, and we deserve to go down. But, our creator will never let America fail.
    America cannot continue on our current course and remain free. The feds created their problems for decades now. The feds will never solve these problems. It is time to downsize the feds and return the powers of decision back to the States and the people.

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Aug. 14, 2011 5:28 p.m.

    Michelle Bachman?

    Really? Thats your best choice? Seriously?

  • SnowCanyonDad SANTA CLARA, UT
    Aug. 14, 2011 4:49 p.m.

    If you think the market is in bad shape now, wait and see if Obama gets re-elected. The Market does not like him. I hope it doesn't happen, but if we are stupid enough to elect him again we deserve him because we, ourselves as a whole, are stupid.

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    Aug. 14, 2011 4:17 p.m.

    I don't think it's much of a " Jolt ".There is a lot of time left.The biggest jolt would be if Obama wins in 2012. That would be Disaster.

  • Linus Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 14, 2011 3:09 p.m.

    Re: Oatmeal - "Mitt Romney is a goner."

    How little you know about presidential primaries. The Iowa Straw Poll is an Iowa State Fair side-show. It costs each voter $30.00 to cast a straw-poll ballot. It is non-binding, meaning that it delivers nothing for the winner but a headline. Mitt Romney did not enter the race; his name was not on the ballot. Mitt is not particularly popular in Iowa which leans toward the Evangelical Christian position that Mormons are not Christians. Michelle Bachman is an Evangelical Christian, was born in Iowa, and has lived her adult life in Iowa's neighboring state. Your obituary of Mitt Romney is premature . . . or is it just wishful thinking?

  • peter Alpine, UT
    Aug. 14, 2011 3:06 p.m.

    Is there anyone out there that can give an intelligent comment about Rick Perry? I don't want to learn about him from the AP, or these leftist posters that can't seem to comment without giving some kind of irrelevent slur. I want to here from the citizens of Texas and their views about Perry as governor.

  • KM Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 14, 2011 2:05 p.m.

    I love how the leftist media and their followers in our country love to hate Bachman. She must really be doing the right things to get progressives all up in arms about her. I hope she wins and I hope she challenges Obama come next election.

  • Fitz Murray, UT
    Aug. 14, 2011 1:48 p.m.

    It is amazing that so much attention is given to a straw poll. It is non-binding and only extremely active partisans participate in a straw poll. To base a presidential campaign on something as tenuous as a straw poll is ridiculous. Iowa has a mere 6 electoral votes (they lost one as of the last census) which just happens to be the same as Utah (we picked up one as of the last census). Rick Perry announcing for the election brings with him, providing he carries his home state, 38 electoral votes. That makes the early primaries like Iowa and New Hampshire seem less than significant.

    Way too much attention, especially from the press, is paid to small states that want to be first in presidential primaries. Their electoral votes, while important overall, do not and should not determine a party's presidential candidate. And those that participated in this straw poll, based on who won first and second, do not necessarily represent mainstream America.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Aug. 14, 2011 1:34 p.m.

    Liberal supporting the Bachmans. I really support Marc Bachman. He's sssuper fabulastic.

  • DR Hall Clearfield, UT
    Aug. 14, 2011 1:03 p.m.

    By the srtaw pole it looks like the Republicans have no leaders, just facades that like the lime light. Because of this lack of leadership this may allow the voters to re-elect Obama to his office again. This means America's leadership has fallen to a new low standard. We need and can do better.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 14, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    Democrats can only hope the results of this straw poll continue to given Bachmann so that she gains momentum and eventually causes all the other candidates to drop out.

    It's is the best thing that could happen for the election of the President.

  • Abe Sarvis Cedar City, UT
    Aug. 14, 2011 12:23 p.m.

    Considering that turnout was well below that of the 2007 straw poll, I'd say the main thing the results point out is that no one's particularly enamored of any of the Republican candidates who participated. The candidate most accurately declared the winner is NOTA - None Of The Above.

  • cactusflats American Fork, UT
    Aug. 14, 2011 12:17 p.m.

    Let's launch a new party where we drink a lot of tea. Herbal tea.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Aug. 14, 2011 12:09 p.m.

    Huntsman/Paul in 2012.

  • Fender Bender Saint George, UT
    Aug. 14, 2011 12:08 p.m.

    I was so optimistic about Huntsman. It seemed like we might actually have a conservative candidate with a bit of common sense. He put that notion to rest during the debate, in which he tried his hardest to pander to the Tea Party and convince the world that he is no different than any of the other conservative candidates. So disappointing.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Aug. 14, 2011 11:30 a.m.

    Mitt Romney is a goner.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Aug. 14, 2011 11:11 a.m.

    I was wondering if this circus could live up to it's potential with sarah still hovering out in orbit around it but it looks like it has the entertainers it needs to succeed.