When I went with my son on a 6 mi (each direction) backpacking trip in the
Uintahs, I grabbed 3 or 4 walkie-talkies. (Note that cell phones are useless up
there!) We made sure that each group of hikers had at least one. It worked
great and was helpful in telling our kids that they were getting too high on the
cliffs and to come back down.Yeah, I know, that's not true
frontiersmanship, but it sure added a huge level of safety and convenience.
Once again the nattering nabobs of negativity are putting their two cents in-
wonder how many of the above commenters have any knowledge whatsoever about what
that are commenting on- hind sight is always easy to find-and kudos to those who
instructed this young man in such a way as to have the skills and sense of place
to dredge up something that may have saved his bacon...
Neil,My boys and I ran that experiment two weeks ago. A Fox 40
Classic whistle (115 dB) was clearly audible through trees and over a small hill
for 600 yards. I suspect it would be closer to a mile over water or in a rocky
canyon.Look at the 1927 Pathfinding pamphlet, not the requirements
but the portion that talks about situational awareness, establishing landmarks,
etc., and teach them how to do it as you hike. Have them take notes of landmarks
on the way in and then have a scavenger hunt to see how many of them they can
spot on the way out.Make sure they have a compass and map of the
area in their pocket and know how to find a reverse heading from surrounding
landmarks to establish current location and a heading to get back to where they
are supposed to be. Take a look at the Orienteering pamphlet and teach them
about aiming off, handrails, and catching features. Take them out to a mystery
location and watch as they find their way back cross country, picking their
route based on map symbols and features.
Over the years many scouts and children for that matter have become lost. In the
past most of them didn't even make the news. I was told a few days ago, while
talking to some old timers in town, of a couple of boys who got lost on Monroe
Mountain years ago, were missing for several days and just showed up at thier
own homes. They were around 10 years old and it never made the news. I don't
believe more children are getting lost I think it just makes the news more
often. One of my own childhood friends spent the weekend hiding out in the
fields so she didn't have to go to a family funeral. Her parents drove around
calling for her, the news never came. She was spanked when she finally had the
courage to go home. Now if it has anything to do with the scouts or a child it
becomes news. That is great! The more searchers the better.
Thank God he was found safe. Just a couple weeks ago I was reading articles and
bawling like a baby with the 2 12 year old boy scouts that were killed. Now I'm
crying tears of joy. This is absolutely Wonderful!!
I have always advocated carrying a whistle when in the wilderness. How far
would that sound travel? Just a thought. Sounds like he did the right by
Ms Mollie. That is a tremendous risk if thy are going around to put up or take
down flags with persons in the back of pickup trucks. It is against every
safety rule in the BSA and it is against the law.All leaders are
required to take several training classes and every scouting unit is under
obligation to have, to know and to adhere to the "Guide to Safe
Scouting"I teach Leader Specific training for Scouters and
safety is a topic. All leaders are under obligation to see that the troop
operates safely. Sometimes people get lazy and say "well it is just while
we are driving around our ward, we are going slow, we are careful, etc."
No excuses, the rules must be obeyed or the activity (flag project or whatever)
must be stopped until it can be done safely.Yes, do call the police,
a stop and reminder by an officer would be an excellent lesson to those not in
compliance. Who knows your actions may save a life but for sure will make an
impression if that is what is needed.
Sal... the really important thing is that he is alive...well and home with his
family...But since you opened the door and dug up a bone that you obviously want
to chew on...Who knows...It might have something to do with women
and girls wrongfully getting too envolved with Boy Scouts in the first place.
Cub Scouting yes...there's an appropriate reasoning and design for women to be
entrenched and envolved...it's always been a part of the organization. Boy
Scouting and Girl Scouting were intednded not to be as inclusive...Title IX
messed everything up and niether have been the same since... Seems logical that
maybe something majorly wrong occurred along the way as a result. It's no
wonder why niether program is attractive to young boys and young girls as they
once were.Father of 4 Eagles
Vince...You've 0bviously never been in the Uintah's or it's Ashley White Rocks
and Ashley Daggett remote areas. The Spirit Lake area is mild in comparison to
some of the more remoter outback areas of the High Unitas.
Do the Boy Scouts not follow the rules of hiking with a group: that there should
ALWAYS be at least one leader at the very end of the pack? I have hiked for
years with several hiking groups and they always have a leader at the back. And
if the pack ends up separated into two groups due to some very slow hikers they
put a leader at the back of each of the groups. This kind of carlessness should
never occur. With all the scouting incidents that we read about in Utah, I can
understand why a friend of mine always attends his sons scouting events -- he
doesn't trust the leaders to be watchful enough.
Rocket Science, "Since the Hole in the Rock Scouting accident mentioned
previously the BSA has absolute rules that no one is to ride in the back of a
truck in any circumstance. 10 or 15 years ago there was a young man who died
when he fell out of the back of a truck while his troop was going around a
neighborhood placing flags on a holiday. We must know and regard our safety
restrictions."I still see scouts in my neighborhood riding in
the back of a pickup truck (I live in a City) while placing flags on a holiday
(with the tailgate down). It is against the law to do that, yet the scouting
program is not even teaching the basic laws here. I've decided that next time I
see this I am going to call the police. Someone needs to look out for these
boys' safety, and it clearly isn't the scout leaders who are driving them
I think the scouting program needs to recognize that boys are far less mature at
certain ages than they were a generation or two ago. Taking these young boys on
hikes without a sufficient number of adults is nothing more than negligent
risk-taking in my opinion. One good compromise would be to "test"
these scouts before the scouting event occurs. Perhaps at one of the scout
meetings where the boys are all fired up and showing off in front of each other
(as they do when they are off on their hikes) some sort of instructions for that
evening can be given to the boys by the scout leaders without the boys realizing
they are being tested. Any boy who does not follow the instructions does not
have the maturity to go on the scouting event. Perhaps they will begin to
listen a little better. If not, they don't go.
Has anyone heard of girls getting lost at camp? What's with the Boy Scouts that
nearly every year one or two are lost? Is it the leaders? Are boys less
obedient more adventuresome? I'm tired of this scene being repeated every year.
Someone is negligent.
Good Job Buddy! No kid could've done it better....
Smart kid...great ending and commendable to have a scout leader who cared enough
to obviously repeticiously teach his scouts the princible basics of survivival.
When I read the account of him realizing he was lost and that he immediately set
about to organize a makeshift camp then it was immediately clear of the time and
effort that his scout leader had taken to teach his scouts something that in
this particular case probably saved a young boys life. Adventure scouting is a
great opportunity for these young boys... if the necessary groundwork has been
adequately laid down well ahead of time reiterating continuously the prior
training then I don't necessarily agree with the comments that it should be
done strictly at a supervised Boy Scout Camp. Utah has some great back country
and if the time is taken to teach our youth the simple basic common sense things
to do and how to survive in it...then we will have fewer incidents that don't
turn out as well as this one did. Whoever instilled in this young boy and
taught him what to do and what not to do derserves a tremendous amount of thanks
for taking the time.
Really glad they found him safe!
It would seem that the emphasis on outdoor thrill-seeking exceeds the dedication
to safety detail. If kids keep getting lost, then they are not prepared, no
matter how well they know how to set up a make-shift camp. Maturity is
something that we should demonstrate before we are granted life-threatening
Can we get a debriefing (reflection as the Scouts like to call it) on what went
wrong and what went right so we could all use the lessons learned?Did the lead person frequently turn around to make sure he hadnt gotten so far
ahead that he couldn't see the last person in line and do a quick headcount?
Matching paracord bracelets is an easy way to make buddy assignments formal and
provide a little cordage to use in emergencies.Did he have his
"outdoor essentials" which would include whistle, matches, compass
& MAP OF THE AREA, sunscreen, insect repellent, first aid kit, flashlight,
knife, rain gear, and "emergency only" food and water? Keep as many of
these as possible in your pockets so you dont leave them in camp with your
backpack.Teach them is how to use a map and compass together to
triangulate their position so they know where they are and what direction to go
to get un-lost. And if they cant figure it out, stay put!? That is a Tenderfoot
requirement (part of orienting yourself on a map) yet most adult scouters cant
Thrilled that he was found, and impressed that he had the skills to survive. The
question still remains. Why was he alone? Some Scout leaders need to wake up.
This kind of thing is happening way too often.
Thanks goodness he was found this morning! Many prayers were answered and much
service given by so many who volunteered in the search. Great job done by all,
congratulations! "Well done good and faithful servants."Perhaps those of us who serve in the BSA as adult leadership need to
understand what has happened in several incidents this summer and learn what we
can do to reduce risk for future activities. Some incidents like the lightning
strike seem to happen despite the boys recognition of danger and rush to take
cover. The boating accident on lake Powell a few weeks ago should be reviewed
to see what could have been done to avoid the accident.Since the
Hole in the Rock Scouting accident mentioned previously the BSA has absolute
rules that no one is to ride in the back of a truck in any circumstance. 10 or
15 years ago there was a young man who died when he fell out of the back of a
truck while his troop was going around a neighborhood placing flags on a
holiday. We must know and regard our safety restrictions.
Re: Vince | 10:58 a.m. Aug. 13, 2011 Many scouts have been lost and
many scouts have died over the years.Just one example: June 10,
1963 An open truck carrying 49 Boy Scouts and leaders stalled while climbing a
hill enroute to Hole in the Rock, Utah, lost its brakes, and plunged into
Carcass Wash, killing 13 people.We could use some volunteers if
you'd be interested in service.
Whewwww! I was just about to offer my hopes and prayers to the family when I
scrolled down and saw an update. Good job, everyone. That's the way I like to
read news accounts. The scouting program didn't lose a boy, they found him.
Look at how well he was prepared to fend for himself.
Glad for the boy and his family and leaders, but what's with the scouting
program that they keep losing kids?
Great news! So happy for the happy ending and that he could be reunited with
his family. Kudos to all the searchers.
Well done young man. Your family are right. You ARE smart. How many you ng
people would have coped so well. So pleased for him and his family that he was
found safe and well.
Glad to see the lost scout was found but questions remain. Was he hiking alone?
What were the adults doing when he disappeared? Great to see volunteers
searching but what did it cost to organize the search for the lost hiker? Who is
responsible for the costs for the search?
Thank God for the searchers and the child learning how to stay warm. Good news.
Thank goodness. We're happy for him and his family.
Good training for what to do when lost. But, one of the basic rules of scouting
is to use the buddy system.
It's great to read good news like this! Great to see 200 people there and 1000s
I think the picture says it all. So happy he was found and is reunited with his
@ #1 Jazz Fan: "I think he earned his camping merit badge."I think the Merit Badge you are thinking of is Wilderness Survival, which
requires a night with minimum comforts. He exceed the requirements! It also
sounds like he used what he was taught.I just came back from a week
with my Scouts in the Uintas. This young man's ordeal would be a frightening
experience for anyone. So glad to hear that he is back safe. With a can-do
attitude like his, he's welcome with my Troop anytime.
This is fantastic that he was found. Good job building a lean to. Such great
news to hear. Thank you everyone who took time to look for this boy.
So glad this time there was a happy ending. Far too often, it is a tragic one.
Hey, that is fantastic! What a scary place to get lost.
I think he earned his camping merit badge.
Whats with this "now generation anyway? Until 10 years ago no one was ever
lost, or missing with goups of people. Whats going on?
Glad he was found.
Great news.By the way, D-News (and KSL) "Information about his
discovery are still unknown." ??? Is there an editor in the house?