Utah Utes football wraps up first full scrimmage

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    Aug. 13, 2011 10:31 p.m.

    15 lbs doesn't necessarily translate into ball speed which he lacked a great deal of last year. And high school stats don't translate into college production either. Hope as wishfully as you may, it won't turn him into Detmer.

  • Utes21 Salt Lake City, ut
    Aug. 13, 2011 8:34 a.m.

    I totally agree with your comments, granted the rivalry is fun because of the trash talk that goes on but some people take it to far and just turn it into pure hate. I enjoy reading most sport articles regardless of what school it is. There are a lot of intelligent and funny commentors on these boards from both Utah and byu fans. But unfortunately you cant have comment boards without trolls. Best ignore them, when you post something towards them that only stokes the fire. They live off that and they take it serious. I unfortunately sent way to many posts mocking trolls instead of focusing on my beloved Utes. Anyways cant wait until September, it will be a fun year to watch

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 7:13 a.m.


    "Worry about the problems on your own front before looking into a scrimmage you didn't see."

    Talk smack all you want about last year's Freshman QB at BYU jealous one.

    Having a #1 HS recruit takes a little development time. 15 pounds stronger and a little more maturity = a beatdown of epic proportions come Sept 17th.

    Could someone please point out 'the problems on your own front'? Utes are having some serious issues on the O.

    Defense appears good as usual but they rarely score enough points to win a game.

    Spin and deny all you want. Practice is not going very well.

    Aug. 11, 2011 11:06 p.m.

    @Independence: Your golden boy Heaps completed only 57% of his passes all last year and Utah's starting D only accounted for one of those games. Worry about the problems on your own front before looking into a scrimmage you didn't see.

  • chicagoborn WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 10:23 p.m.

    Totally agree with you. There are some pretty ridiculous fans from both sides of the rivalry but I guess that is what makes this rivalry one of the best ones in the country. If you look at a message board between Michigan and Michigan State fans, you'll find the same exchanges between fans so this isn't unique to the Utah BYU rivalry. It can be a little over the top sometimes but it is what it is. Just can't wait for some college football.

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    Aug. 11, 2011 9:31 p.m.

    "Wynn completed 9-of-17 passes"

    Um, that's 52% completion of his passes. Last time I checked, 52% was an failing grade in school!

    And 2 pick 6's for the defense with the back-up QB in?

    Wow, Wynn goes down, and Utah will get an official invite from the Toilet Bowl!

    Utes prepare for a beat down in LES on September 17th!

    Aug. 11, 2011 8:49 p.m.

    @Naval Vet

    Really don't read into the stats too much. Nearly all of those incompletions were smart throwaways and the defense was playing great.

  • Brettski2024 Concord, CA
    Aug. 11, 2011 8:25 p.m.

    Go Utes! Can't wait for football to start

  • BYUCOLORADO Castle Rock, CO
    Aug. 11, 2011 7:45 p.m.

    *what does that say about BYU's defense, not offense.

  • BYUCOLORADO Castle Rock, CO
    Aug. 11, 2011 7:44 p.m.


    Nobody is ruining the perceptions of BYU fans. Any intelligent fan knows that there are idiots at every school and people are pretty much the same everywhere.

    It is disconcerting how many comments get voted up on both BYU and Utah articles. If you look for the common theme among the ones that get voted up it is never because they offer any insight or make good comments, it is almost always because they are insulting and condescending (feigned superiority). Sadly, these comments make Hedgehog and others like him comment even more because they think the more "recommendations" they get the better the comment is. Not the case.

    It is the preseason, let's not read too much into it. Heaps has been playing great but what does that say about BYU's offense? Wynn has been playing poorly but what does that say about Utah's defense. Truth is, we never know how a team will do by playing against themselves. Also, we have about three more weeks to straighten things like bad snaps out.

    I am very excited for September 17th.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 11, 2011 7:43 p.m.

    This seems to be the case every year...Utah's D outplays the offense during the early scrimmages.

    Yes, chicagoborn, some folks on here are as common as they come.

  • Bo Jangles Meridian, ID
    Aug. 11, 2011 7:41 p.m.


    Let me get this straight... You're a BYU fan on the Utah boards hating on Ute fans. Yet you call Utah fans bitter. What's up with that Bro?

  • Nostradamus Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 5:45 p.m.

    Sounds like a pretty fruitful scrimmage. Lots learned and a positive attitude by players and coaches.

    We received season tickets today...pretty fun looking at the schedule...very tough for sure...but only through this kind of competition (well and a pretty sizeable PAC 12 payout) will Utah improve to the kind of consistent football program we hope for.

    "Adversity has the effect of eliciting talents, which in prosperous circumstances would have lain dormant." - Horace

    The first step has been taken...the Utes are in the PAC12. Some steps forward may be more difficult than others...but the program is moving forward toward some amazing times.

    Go Utes!

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 5:33 p.m.

    Wynn was a little rusty; missed a couple early (9 of 17); missed a couple of reads; fumbled two or three times; sacked several times; but the attitude and effort were terrific.

    Not exactly glowing praise for Wynn.

    But, at least the 1st string offense was better than 2nd and 3rd string offenses, who were awful.

  • Ted H Sandy, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 4:25 p.m.


    "proving the common conception"

    Are you serious? That could NOT have been more perfect! I am seriously hoping you get how hilarious and applicable my comments now are. Just in the same moment you try and put me down, you end up proving my point!

    So absolutely perfect!

    "common conception"

    I love it! Thanks so much!

    Please tell me you understand. If not, go upstairs and ask your parents, or a BYU grad.

  • Ted H Sandy, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 4:21 p.m.


    And its people like you who perpetuate the truthfulness of it. And of Max Hall.

    Thank you.

    And to you getting offended - LOL

  • tcom2011 Fort Worth, TX
    Aug. 11, 2011 4:17 p.m.

    Sounds like a solid D performance, I bet the compete well this year! Good luck Utes! GO Cougars!

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 11, 2011 4:11 p.m.

    "One thing has become quite apparent to those observing practice and scrimmages this fall: The defense is deep and talented." - Bill Riley

    So the glass is half full, all we need is the offense to pick it up. In PAC-12 play we can't expect to play 5 minutes of good offense and still win the game like we did in last years BYU game.

  • chicagoborn WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 3:58 p.m.

    @ Ted H
    Thanks for proving the common conception about the arrogance of BYU fans. It's people like you that ruin the image of BYU.

  • flintrock Rigby, Id
    Aug. 11, 2011 3:50 p.m.

    I read in this paper how there is competition going on for the safety positions. Its an open position and everyone has a shot. That is just not true. There is no competition what so ever. McGill and Rowe are getting most of the reps and the rest of the safeties are just standing around watching. Bored to tears. That has been true from day one. Tell it like it is and please do not make us think that Whit has not already made up his mind before camp ever started who will be the safeties. If it was fair and open everyone would get equal reps to prove there skills. Its pretty easy for McGill and Rowe to have great days every day if they are getting the majority of the reps. Give us the truth not made up hype.

    I find it interesting that new players are given the royal treatment and the players who have followed the rules and put their time in and been loyal to Whits system are shoved to the side so that his latest and greatest freshman or JC transfer can walk the red carpet come fall camp.

  • Ldsfan South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 3:01 p.m.

    To Max was right.

    Who is the classy Utah fan that wished injury on Heaps? Not seeing it. Looking to be offended?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 11, 2011 2:56 p.m.


    "Don't read into the statistics too much..."

    I hope you're right, because stats reporting Wynn going 9-of-17, putting 3 balls on the ground, and amid a bevy of sacks does not inspire a lot of confidence for U fans who are hearing the coaches call that performance even remotely satisfactory. I would have expected better numbers for the BACKUP quarterback.

    Go Utes!

  • Flame of the West Southern, Cali
    Aug. 11, 2011 2:54 p.m.

    9 for 17, 152 yds...it's Another Festivus Miracle!

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 2:53 p.m.

    The offense will get better as camp goes on. Plenty of time to work out kinks. I am concerned about the o-line. Before the recent injuries, I figured we'd be okay. Now the coaches are talking about possibly pulling more players from defense to help the o-line. That's not a positive situation.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 2:52 p.m.

    Oh and the fact so many of you utah "fans" are calling for me to pay up on a bet you haven't even won yet just shows how effective I am on here.

    Win it and I'll keep my part, unlike your own christina b who still hasn't upheld her word the other way. But you have to actually win the bet 1st, not just dishonestly claim you've won it.


  • Ted H Sandy, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 2:48 p.m.


    "From what Ducky has said in the past is that he didn't have what it took to graduate from college....hence the "lawn maintenance" career."

    says another one who likely got denied from BYU, thus ending up at the U.

    I love the bitterness. I love knowing that your doctor continually warns you about too many free french fries and your constant obsession with BYU.

    I absolutely love it.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 2:48 p.m.


    No I never said that although mnay other dishonest ute "fans" other than yourself have tried to make that claim.

    What I did was make a bet with a couple of the utah fans on here that if the pac10 network was available nationwide, I think I said it had to be available to something like 85% of the homes in the country, by next season that I wouldn't post on any utah articles for the entire season.

    As of this date it is not available in any households anywhere although it has been announced that by that time it should be avaialable in something like 40 million homes although that does not cover the nation. There is no deal yet to have it on any of the sattelite systems, only a few cable systems, so if, and when, it is available nationwide, before next season, I will uphold my side of the bet.

    But dishonest utah "fans" like yourself trying to make false claims is what shows the real lack of integrity that is obviously taught at the university of utah.

  • UteFanInStGeorge SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 2:48 p.m.

    Wynn will winn the Hiseman, garanteed. And Utah will winn another National Champaionship, mark it down!

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 2:45 p.m.

    I like the fact that Wynn was moving the ball well against the first defense. Whit does not send out compliments easily. I know the run will be stopped and the defense is quick. Should be one of the top defenses in the PAC. Need the defense to keep us in the game while offense catches up.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    hedgehog | 2:32 p.m. Aug. 11, 2011
    Ann Arbor, MI

    Now this post I like.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Aug. 11, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    "I thought you said you weren't going to post on any Ute articles? Did you learn integrity from going to BYU?"


    From what Ducky has said in the past is that he didn't have what it took to graduate from college....hence the "lawn maintenance" career.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 2:27 p.m.

    Duckhunter - I swore that there was some kind of wager about the Pac12 TV network that you lost that you weren't going to post on Utah articles any more. Guess not? What happened to the honor code?

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 2:21 p.m.

    Pac12Utes | 1:57 p.m. Aug. 11, 2011
    Up On The Hill, UT

    Ducky didn't go to BYU. Don't blame us for him.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 2:15 p.m.

    From what I heard on the radio, the 2nd team D line killed the 2nd team O line and contributed substantially to Hays poor play. Hopefully he will do better when he can get some time to throw it.

    As for the 1st team O line it sounds like they held their own against a stellar D line, the defense might have held some back to insure Wynn stays healthy, but the fact that the Ute offense put together some long, sustained drives is a good sign.

    If I'm coach Whit, I rest Wynn's arm completely until next week, let it recover, let the soreness leave, then plug him in when he's 100%. The most important thing for Utah right now is that Wynn is 100% at the start of the season, if that means they loose some timing with the receivers so be it. Make sure that shoulder is good to go for USC.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 2:08 p.m.

    Not bad for a first scrimmage. Hopefully the 2s can get it together.

  • Thlete Draper, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    Defense is always ahead of the game this early on, no surprise there. Sounds like it's a good thing it's only the first week of camp - lots of mistakes to clean up. Disappointing showing by Hays, becoming very obvious why the coaches are heavily protecting Wynn - similar to how they protected Brian Johnson in 2008 after several injuries to him the previous year.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 1:57 p.m.


    What Whit should do is have Wynn and the offense play against a bunch of paper cutouts, like the BYU offense does, then hand out stats to make everyone really think the offense is great!

    FYI - This is the same offense who found a way to beat BYU last year with a QB who couldn't move his throwing arm! I think they'll be ok.

  • Pac12Utes Up on the Hill, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 1:57 p.m.


    I thought you said you weren't going to post on any Ute articles? Did you learn integrity from going to BYU?

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 1:54 p.m.

    Keep in mind, Wynn and Stevens have just started working together in live situations, as Stevens was at OG last year. From a couple interviews, those missed snaps were recovered by the defense because Wynn was instructed not to dive for a ball under and circumstances, and he didn't.

    Utah fans need to take a lessen from BYU fans. BYU's offense destroys their defense all camp, yet they can come out and say that their offense is amazing and their defense is fine and will still be good. Utah's defense outperforms the offense, and Utah fans can't figure if either is any good! Someone find some middle ground!

    Of course with BYU's creampuff schedule playing half their schedule against the JV squad, a good offense will win those games regardless of how bad the defense is.

    For Utah, it's much more important to have a stout defense, which they will. You will not outscore people in the Pac-12, must be able to stop them.

  • Pac12Utes Up on the Hill, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 1:50 p.m.

    A mixed bag for sure:

    Mishandled handoffs are awful. Can't get away with that, even if you are playing the Carbon Dinos. I anticipate it will get better as practice goes along.

    We are in trouble if Jordan goes down.

    Dissappointed in Harvey's stats. If Tauni beats him out, throw a red shirt on him.

    Nice to see Mo Lee have a good outing. Very excited for him and hopefully he can get in the mix at corner.

    Devonte is going to be a top wideout in the Pac-12 this year. We need to establish the guys after that to keep the defense honest.

    I FULLY expect teh offense to improve greatly when the guys get healthy.

  • byu116970 Tooele, Utah
    Aug. 11, 2011 1:48 p.m.

    Was the defence really that good or was the offence that bad

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 1:45 p.m.

    Don't read into the statistics too much when it comes to Hays, Shreve, Langi, and Palamo.
    They each ran with the 2's and 3's on offense, more specifically behind those O-lines. Other reports said the defense was 2 steps into the backfield before they had a chance to blink.
    What we CAN read into is the lack of depth at O-line and how far off they are in comparison to the depth on defense from top to bottom on the depth chart.
    Bottom line, the Utah D is going to be awesome this year, but I'm scared to death at what happens if the O-line gets anymore dinged up.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 1:42 p.m.

    I see that those who weren't at the scrimmage have an opinion about what happened and conclusions that seem to hold dire predictions for the Utes.

    The most important bit of information in this article is that Coach Whit was pleased. His quarterback rates his own performance as just OK and says there is work to be done. The OC agrees with his quarterback, but over all is pleased.

    So what are the causes of doom and gloom? Two fumbles...just a case of getting used to more snaps under center...two interceptions...balls thrown by a juco back up quarterback? That's something to loose sleep over.

    The defense played well...9 tackles for losses, 6 pass break ups and 4 sacks! No one was hurt! Go, UTES!!

  • steeliebrass Riverton, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 1:29 p.m.

    @ govt rocks - you are spot on that Wynn and Stevens need to get better on their exchanges, but it is not a tremendous concern at this juncture. If this problem persists then you have something to be worried about.

    The o-line is treading water, at least at the LG spot, while they find an adequate replacement. Any o-line would be somewhat unsettled considering losing the 1st, 2nd and replacement to those two players in two-day's time. As far as Hays is concerned, the #2 o-line is a bit patchy and unexperienced right now, so two of his three INT's were tipped balls that he was trying to get out of his hand before being sacked. Not even the best QB in the world would find success under that pressure. Let's see how things progress come the 2nd scrimmage.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    But hey the rugby player and the freshman rb both really stood out as did the jc transfer qb. Sounds like the offense will be stellar.

  • the_beav SLC, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 1:26 p.m.


  • govt rocks Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 1:07 p.m.

    Not that bad? How many turnovers did the offense have? a couple of fumbles by Wynn on the exchange from center? I guess the flip side is the defense sounded like they played really well, maybe even way better than that. I expect lots of improvement by scrimmage two.

    I think if anything this scrimmage demonstrated our offense line is treading water with the injuries, there is lot of work to do between the center and Wynn, and Hays is not picking up the offense or he is just not good: two picks returned for touchdowns and another interception if read correctly.