@whoamisir?"One of Kyle's best qualities is taking guys and putting
them in position to excel."So are you saying Jordan's moving to
defense now?Being so delicate maybe zWynn should hold for place kicks. Kyle's kind of a one trick pony in that regard, don't you think? It's not
amazing to lie to a recruit that he can try out for QB and then give him 10
seconds in practice before moving him to defense. He took Chad Manis and moved
him to defense. Same for Blechen, Robles, christopher (wr), and pretty soon
Chase Hansen. Not rocket science that nobody wanted Kruger or these
other guys as QBs. Other coaches were just honest up front about it. Most if not
all of these kids played both sides of the ball in HS so he's not working
miracles. I'll be impressed if he takes a LB or DE and teaches him to play QB.
That would be something.
Utes defense must be one hardcore bunch of guys to keep taking our massive
Da da dum, the plot thickens... Is Wynn telling the truth this year
about his arm or is he keeping a 'dark' secret?You can almost smell
the Ute fear...By Sept 10th it will be panic mode, by the 17th fans
will be in that all too familiar fetal position.@mototrike"I'd be more careful bringing anything regarding schedule into your
comments, it's too easy for Ute fans to blow you apart on that topic." w/l record last year of your scheduled opponents is 45-62 or something
along those lines. Some real talent there for a team that gives up against real
opponents like TCU, ND, BSU and had some lady luck against AFA, SDSU and BYUYeah, right
@Mildred in Fillmore"Jake Heaps can throw better left
handed"We hear you loud and clear. But don't be too critical,
yet. One of coach Whit's best qualities it being able to bring out the best in
a player. Put him in a position where he can excell and maximize his full
potential. (Perhaps that is whey is was rated the best coach in college ball -
to do the most with the players he has. So work with coach Bronko.
Someday, he will be told that Jake is better as a left handed passer. At that
time, you and the 14 who have given you stars (and obviously has observed the
same thing), will see him as a southpaw.And for the posting that
Jake can throw better with his feet - I really do think you are in error. I
don't think Jake is that bad.... however, if he takes his shoes and socks off so
he can use his toes.. maybe, just maybe, he will improve?!
jarka-rus - uhhhm, for the record, I haven't seen one Ute fan post a
comment saying we think he's 100%. Find me that post will you?We're
simply not going to worry ourselves and think the sky is falling down when the
word is he's doing okay. And by the way those Montana pee wees
you're talking about are 7th in the country in the FCS rankings and are in the
same conference that has your opponent Idaho State predicted to be last.I'd be more careful bringing anything regarding schedule into your
comments, it's too easy for Ute fans to blow you apart on that topic.
"Utesie fans on here "skewing" Wynnies"Do all
BYU fans sound like Gollum or is it the resessive genes speaking?
motorbike | 2:05 p.m. Aug. 11, 2011 Just like all you Utesie fans on here
"skewing" Wynnies injury to make it look like he's at 100% and will
light up the PAC-12. Against the Montana pee wees sure, he'll throw for 250 yds
and be in the Heisman talk. But after that the wheels are going to fall off. Go
Why do you Ute fans claim that it's BYU fans "worrying" about Wynn's
condition. We're not. You are. Read these last couple of articles covering
Wynn - they're rife w/ doom and gloom posts by Ute fans. BYU fans are just
popping off when they hear motorbike, mgr, Thlete and the like dismiss all of
the signs and stick their proverbial heads in the sand.Wynn did good
this morning by throwing '17' times. Now he'll be out for a day or two,
"resting" the soreness of his perfectly "fine" shoulder.
Uh hello. Surgery ..not throwing the day before a scrimmage. He is NOT ready
to play and will likely have a tough time being ready against Montana High, let
alone BYU on the 17th.
Iheartblood - "according to rogerspoll, there are only 2 teams
on BYU schedule this year with a weaker SOS than Utah last year. Idaho State and
UCF."Help me out here, why does it matter that you're comparing
BYU's schedule this year to Utah's schedule from last year? Is this
another one of those BYU fan that skews statistics to make himself feel better
kind of deals?
"Anyone else know who I should go with on this?"You mean
you don't?? Mr. Utah insider...
@thlete"Wynn was throwing all summer with his receivers, his
timing is already fine. In fact, he just threw for 152 yards and a TD in the
scrimmage this morning, so don't you all look like fools now."And yet just one article away is this little tid bit:"Hays
said he's currently taking all the No. 2 repetitions over freshman Tyler Shreve,
and even worked with the first string yesterday after probable starter Jordan
Wynn complained of a SORE ARM."Not sure who to believe here.
The desperate utah "fan" trying anything to conivince himslef
everything is alright or the actual backup getting all the reps because the
other guy is "complaining of a sore arm". Anyone else know
who I should go with on this?
Thlete | 12:09 p.m. Aug. 11, 2011 When he throws for more than a 100 yds
vs USC, then will stop the alarm..... he won't.
Love all the desperate Coug fans that are trying to sound the alarm for Utes
fans. Wynn was throwing all summer with his receivers, his timing is already
fine. In fact, he just threw for 152 yards and a TD in the scrimmage this
morning, so don't you all look like fools now.O-line depth is a
concern as you want to have a good 3-deep set and we have a 3-deep injury list
at guard, but the injuries should all be cleared up by the time we play a real
game on Sept 10. It's unfortunate that precious camp time will be missed, but
we'll be good to go. Thanks for your concern, Coug fans!
Tom in MS -- Did you see the spring game? Most of the number 1s were not playing
and Utah barely had enough o-linemen to field one full line. The 2s performance
(against the 2s,3s and 4s on defense) was awful. This is an issue. Especially
given that Wynn has proven to be a bit fragile. OK, very fragile. I hope you are
right and the O-line is not an issue.
Before everyone jumps off a cliff about the O-line, you need to remember that
the defensive player coming over is just adding more depth. Has anyone looked
at the roster lately? The Utes have 8 returning lettermen on the O-line, plus 3
or 4 JC players, as well as at least a half dozen or so incoming frosh. That's
just for the O-line. My guess is that they wanted an experienced lineman to
help with the depth, regardless of which side of the ball his experience was
from. You need to have a full complement of 1's, 2's, and 3's. In a normal
year the Utes will have 7 or 8 O-linemen who are game-ready, just in case of the
injury that was spoken of earlier (I believe right now they are at 6, plus the
juco's, with the injuries). Please don't think we are down to 3 or 4
experienced linemen, because that's absolutely not the case.
Mildred in Fillmore | 4:57 p.m. Aug. 10, 2011 Heaps can throw better with
@ Brave Sir Robin - You claimed earlier that no Utah fans are concerned with
BYU, yet both of your posts here have taken shots at BYU. So which is it?Why does Wynn need recovery time if he is supposedly "100%
fine"? He has barely thrown at all since camp began. It doesn't match up.
Add yet another injury to your offensive line, and I would start circling Sept
17 on your calendar, if I were you. Because USC is going to eat you alive, and
the race for the PAC 10.2 South title will be over for Utah in week 2.
Therefore, BYU becomes the only game of significance for you, as well. And -
make no mistake - it's not going to come down to a FGA at the end this year.
Have your hanky ready.Brave Sir Robin ran away... Bravely ran away,
away. When a Cougar reared his fearsome head, he calmly turned his tail and
FYI, according to the U's facebook page, Wynn is throwing this morning, as we
speak. Could it be that Whittingham was (gasp!) telling the truth and there
really is no conspiracy? Could it be that they were just giving Wynn's arm some
recovery time?Guess the Y fans can start worrying about losing the
only game on their schedule that matters again...
Interesting.So three weeks from today, Wynn is going to flip a
magical switch where his arm really will be "fine", he and his
receivers will all be on the same page with reads and timing, and Wynn will have
the new offense mastered -- all with limited throws in practice and time taken
off to "rest".And all of this is going to work with a
paper thin offensive line and without any experienced running backs to take the
pressure off the passing game.
I am BY FAR the biggest BYU fan, but I am excited to see the Utes play as well.
I hope they do well in the PAC-12. Instead of just being excited for the Cougs,
I'll say I'm excited to be a citizen in Utah.
@uteology"I for one think that KW and Chow are great football
coaches, so by moving Robles to defense I am assuming they feel we have good
depth at the QB spot."Or perhaps that robles simply isn't a
very good qb? The truth is qb is a position of weakness for utah, the qb's they
have are not very good and they are not deep at the position. No matter how good
a coach Whittingham is, and I agree he is a very good coach, this is a position
that has been under recruited and poorly recruited. I think that
will change with chow there, he will make sure there is an emphasis on
recruiting enough quality qb's that this years situation will be avoided in the
future but for now it has obviously been handled poorly by Whittingham and his
staff and it should concern utah fans.
@UteologyActually I am a Ute fan and was asking a fair question for
someone with a little better insight than me to answer. You will be
asking this same question by about game 3 or 4.
The number of Y fans posting on this article really shows how far apart Utah and
BYU are now. Y fans are 100% focused on beating Utah - that's BYU's whole
season. But I honestly don't know a single Utah fan that's even had BYU cross
their mind. We've got much bigger things than a silly out-of-conference,
in-state game to think about.It's like there's some magical sign on
these Utah articles that says "fans of mid-major, non-AQ schools should
@MiP "I do find it strange that some Y fans have no problem using "@
Oregon State" as a quality opponent then rip on Utah's Pac-12 heavy
schedule. OSU is considered an also-ran this year, on the road or at
home..."Very true. If OSU is a quality opponent for BYU then
they're a quality opponent for Utah, which is why I listed them both when
comparing the two schedules.Exciting times for both BYU and Utah.
I'm looking forward to this season (and the future) for both teams to make their
mark on the national stage.I'm that includes on Sept 17th for BYU
@CougFaninTXThat's up to the coaches to decide who the backup will
be, you'll have to wait until the end of camp to find out who that is. I for one think that KW and Chow are great football coaches, so by
moving Robles to defense I am assuming they feel we have good depth at the QB
spot. Then again I'm a Ute fan and your a Cougar.
according to rogerspoll, there are only 2 teams on BYU schedule this year with a
weaker SOS than Utah last year. Idaho State and UCF.
His arm is fine. It's his O-line he's worried about. One of Utah's strengths has
been adaptabilty and coaching, so hopefully they've got this covered.truecoug1, while I don't disagree with your schedule argument per se, I do
find it strange that some Y fans have no problem using "@ Oregon
State" as a quality opponent then rip on Utah's Pac-12 heavy schedule. OSU
is considered an also-ran this year, on the road or at home...One
thing is for sure, we'll see soon enough if predictions like CougFaninTx's
(paraphrased) 'spiraling down to 1-11 without hidden O-line gems' and sammyg's
quasi-hedged 'Montana State upset' will actually come to fruition.
QB's whose shoulders are 'fine' throw during practice.
@carnakAnother utah "fan" who never makes a single post
that doesn't mention, or is aimed at, me. I do love it.LOL!
@ Duckhunter | 10:10 p.m. Aug. 10, 2011 Highland, UT Are you
listening or are you at your quarterback lessons?
@kanklesI notice you don't have any thoughts on the actual subjects
at hand? I'd be concerned if the team I root for seemed to be coming apart at
the seams 3 days into fall camp.But hey if focusing on me helps you
to stay in denial and gets you through the night I don't mind. I'm here for you
ute "fans". I'm listening.
@1984 for life "A schedule of WAC schools is tougher than a PAC 12
schedule? There goes your credibility"Not my words, man...just
quoting from the college football experts (though I use that term loosely).Besides...if you looked at what they actually said, it wasn't that BYU's
schedule is tougher than Utah's. It was simply that BYU had a tough schedule,
especially out of the gate, and that of the PAC 12 schools, Utah had the easiest
schedule.But last time I checked, our schedule isn't composed
entirely of WAC teams. @Ole Miss, @Texas, vs Utah, vs UCF, @OSU, neutral
against TCU, @Hawai'i...I'd put that up against @USC, @BYU, @Pitt, vs OSU, vs.
ASU, @Cal and @Arizona for sure.Our cupcakes are worse than your
cupcakes, I'll give you that. But I'd say BYU's got the tougher schedule with
the quality opponents they play.Just my opinion, however, though it
appears to be shared by Phil Steele, Athlon, etc. :)Go Cougars!
sounds a bit wierd to have a the QB defending his health status. based upon the
secrecy of past great players i suspect we are not getting the whole story. i
hope the Utes are getting the backups plenty of reps so they can fill in if
needed. maybe this is what today was all about. USC and UCLA will spare no mercy
on the QB.
@ truecoug1 | 9:13 p.m. Aug. 10, 2011 Provo, UT A schedule of
WAC schools is tougher than a PAC 12 schedule? There goes your credibility.
Small comment on scheduling.I've found it interesting that in the
Sporting News, Phil Steele, Athlon, and Lindy's college football previews for
2011, each one has talked about the difficult schedule BYU faces in its first
year of independence, especially out of the gate.They also all
comment on how Utah has the easiest schedule of any PAC 12 team.Just
thought all of you Ute fans would like to know the opinion of some of the
experts.But as we all know, preseason talk is moot. We'll really
know how tough each team's schedule is about 6-7 weeks into the season.3 and a half weeks and counting!Go Cougars!
@Uteology"Yes there is a good backup to Wynn."Please, do give a name. Enquiring minds want to know.
@AdamYes there is a good backup to Wynn.In 2010 TCU had
the #1 defense in the country, #2 team in the nation. So rest easy my Cougar
friend but Utah won't be facing a similar team each game this year. Then again
we won't be facing 5 WAC teams so yes Wynn needs to bring his A game this year,
only Heaps can bring his C game and win good teams.
Not your typical Cougar fan here . . . I actually cheer for the Utes to go 11-1.
But if there's truth in this article, 11-1 will be a dream not a reality.I'm not alarmed that Wynn's arm needs a rest. He hasn't thrown much
during the off season, and he's getting back in shape. Taking a day off seems
normal. If he takes a couple of consecutive days off, sound the alarm.But the O line has got to be a much bigger concern. Especially moving a D
linemen over. There should at least be enough depth on the O line, to move the
#2 or #3 guy up instead of stealing from the defense. A weak O line
is not what a QB coming back from shoulder surgery who can't run or an
inexperienced RB needs. I'm surprised that Langi hasn't become the "go to
guy". I can't imagine using John White to run up the middle; he's smaller
than DiLuigi. If some hidden treasures aren't found for the O line,
this season could quickly spiral downward to an 1 - 11 season, and the one win
won't be in Provo.
@ Kankles | 6:02 p.m. Aug. 10, 2011 Miami, Florida but BYU's
strength of schedule is 99th out of 120 teams. Doesn't that put us in the top
25 or the bottom?
@ MAFU | 5:43 p.m. Aug. 10, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT The Duck
is much more than just an orthopedic surgeon. He has the inside scoop on all
items BYU or Utah related. Now the fact that Hypes can complete 90%
of his passes against the BYU defense doesn't worry Ducky at all. That's just
practice stuff.Can't wait for the last 2 months of the season when
Utah is playing a PAC 12 schedule and BYU is playing the WAC. Ol' Ducky will be
telling us how the BYU games are much more interesting.
"Jordan Wynn says arm is 'fine' at practice" And what
would we expect him to say? Wynn has already shown his propensity to hide his
injuries. Remember last season?And an O'line meltdown. Forget about the fans, how much more can Coach Chow take?
Lot's of orthopedic surgeons and physical therapists chiming in from Provo
today. Their expert medical and football opinions are always welcomed on Ute
If this were MLB, Whittingham would be on the horn to Mendenhall right now
trying to trade a couple of hitters and a future 3-star recruit to be named
later, for a starting pitcher (Munns).I feel sorry for Wynn, he's a
nice kid, but to the Utah fans who have been in denial since last season,
remember, BYU fans have been sending up signal flares for months warning that
this could happen.
Lotsa stuff in this article.Already thin offensive line now a
devastated offensive line. Moving d-linemen, freshman d-linemen, over to the
offensive line is not a good sign.Mediocre qb that had shoulder
surgery, didn't play during spring, has barely thrown all summer, is not
throwing at all in practices. From what I understand he will not throw at all in
the afternoon practice either. That is not indicative of a shoulder that is
100%. Something here doesn't add up.JC transfer rb is now #1.
Hmmmmm.....so much for the rugby player, that was a pipe dream anyway, but the 4
star freshman not being ahead in this race? That is a surprise. Now the jc guy
might be a pretty good runner but the fact he only weighs in at 185#'s doesn't
bode very well for that "downhill, north/south" running game the new
offensive coordinator is supposedly installing. That calls for a big back.Very interesting indeed.
Wynn has potential but I doubt he is the answer for Utah. This season will
determine a lot regarding whether we need to go after a QB next year.
Jake Heaps can throw better left handed.
I hope it really is fine, but this worries me. We first heard 100 throws/day,
then I heard 70, now he needs a day off? I hope he is okay.Re:
JonnyDangerI have often wondered the same thing about stats. Why do we
hear about every single pass thrown by the BYU QB's, but not Ute QB numbers? I
think those stats are a little misleading, because hopefully the coaching staff
is putting them in situations where they can learn and become better (or
sometimes putting the in situations where they can have a high completion % to
build confidence), but it is just an interesting observation about DNews
This article reminds me of the UofU preseason basketball articles.
Adam, unfortunately, the next best thing in the Utah program at quarterback is
currently practice with his high school team in California and will be a true
freshman -- next year.
Sore shoulder, limited practice, just resting... but everything is
"fine".It's not time to hit the panic button yet...but, it's getting close.
As far as Wynn's health is concerned, I'm much more worried about offensive
linemen going down which could lead to Wynn getting hurt, than his health right
now.Shoulder injuries are fickle and can be reaggravated easily, I
believe Wynn will be 100% against USC, but if inexperienced O-linemen and
running backs start missing blocks, he might not be 100% for byu. It's still the
first week of camp so lets hope that somebody can step up and take over that
guard position. Thank goodness we have 2 really good tackles.The one
silver lining to Wynn's throw count is that it gives the backups much needed
time with the first team.
Is there a capable quarterback at the U to repalace Wynn? I watched him last
seaon against a good defense like TCU (similar to what he'll see all year) and
he was terrible. Is Wynn truly the answer? Or is there someone else? I hope
I'm wrong but I just don't see Wynn as the future for the Utes.
The last two years Wynn has been surrounded with solid and experienced players.
He did not have to be spectacular but he was solid when healthy. This year there
will be more demanded of him for the team to be good because of the inexperience
at RB and somewhat at receiver. The O line is what really makes me nervous. It
is pretty common to lose someone during the season. I hope Wynn is completely
healthy. He seems to have a strong mind which is half the battle.
This "precaution" with Wynn is suspect to say the least. Wynn's
shoulder is not "fine". I'm more concerned with the O-line right now
however. Maybe Latu can give a little depth. I've not seen this little depth on
the o-line at Utah is quite some time. Spring practice showed we need each of
the starters to stay healthy. Not good . . .
John White had 1491 yards on 184 carries and 16 touchdowns last year as he led
the Los Angeles Harbor Community College Seahawks to their conference
championship. He was also the 2nd leading receiver for his team with 21 catches
for 176 yards. Utah has a stable full of backs that look pretty good.
Wynn will be OK, the issue is Brenner and Asiata going down. We are already
thing at the O line, and having an experienced lineman in Breener go down is
huge. They said on the raido that it could be at least 2-3 weeks before he is
back, and it might even be longer than that. They will need to evaluate the
elbow here again in the next few days. I am OK with Brenner missing the Montana
St game, but we need him back and healthy by USC. Asiata is only a freshman, and
is still trying to pick up blocking schemes. Hopefully its a small sprain that
wont keep him out for long. Moving Latu over from teh D line to the O line will
help with depth, but changing positions is never an easy thing. I am confidant
in the coaches, and that they will get it all worked out.
Hmmm.... I would think that after about 8 months of not throwing a football, he
would need all the practice he could get. I agree with not overexerting
yourself, but not using the arm at all to rest it seems risky. He's probably
very rusty, and getting your timing with the receivers is an important part of
this offense. Plus, there probably isn't a "magic button" he can
press to suddenly be ready for game after game, week after week when they roll
around.I don't know, I'm sure Coach Whittingham knows more than I
do. Just my 2 cents.
Why is it that we get specific stats for every QB at BYU's camp, but nothing
about the Ute QB's? As a Cougar fan I am very excited about our backup QB's and
the way the are playing, but I hope we never see them until the ends of
blowouts. As a fan of the Ute's all but one game a year I am fairly concerned
about Wynn-I want to know more and I certainly want to know how the backups are
doing in case there is more to his "soreness" than the coaches are
letting on. I wish him the best and hope his are is fine all year-1. so that we
can (hopefully) beat the Utes at the top of their game and 2. so Utah can
represent by shellacking the rest of the PAC!!
White is a JC transfer. He was very good at the JC level and may continue to get
better as he catches on to the Utes offense.
I thought Langi was the top dog according to an article posted earlier. Who is White? What's going on?
It's going to be a special year. The pac 12 memebership is what we needed to
propel us past the "average BCS games" to the big one. This team has
the chemistry, speed, and coaching to go all the way. Top 5 by end of
season!Utah football is a beautiful thing.