Warren Jeffs sentenced to life in prison after 30-minute deliberation

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  • awsomeron1 Oahu, HI
    Aug. 10, 2011 10:22 p.m.

    I am glad that Jeffs is locked up for life. Brainwashing is nothing more then learned behavior and learned behavior can be unlearned.

    You make sure that the remaining members are not breaking any sex laws. Federal and State Law Trumps Religion and i would not want it any other way.

    What allows me freedom of Religion, allows you and me Freedom FRom It.

    A person might say because your Grandfather was a such and such in whereever land, You are also such and such and subject to the same laws, well in America you aqre NOT.

    Some people think Free Will is fine as long as they like the way things go. Others of US believe that Free Will is somthing God gave us and we have both the Freedom To and the Freedom Not To. This is what makes some LDS both label and go nuts in the Demographics. Active, Less Active, In Active, Jack, Jill or Molly.

    Jeffs people did not have free will and still do not have free will.

    To leave, you have to have somewhere to go, Job skills, education etc. DI could be of great help in this matter.

  • firstamendment Lehi, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 10:25 a.m.

    I support prop08 and other constitutions which discourage polygamy, child marriages (one WOMAN one man), and other harmful marriages.

    I wish we would pursue other sexual predators, pedophiles, and seducing pressuring deviants with such vigor.

    However, I don't feel that consenting adult polygamists all fall into the same category (with pedophiles etc), and it would be a mistake for us to pass judgement and lump all of them in with Jeffs. It's also wrong to promote hatred towards LDS and other religions because of people like Jeffs.

    I met some FLDS female missionaries years ago. They were bold, independent, and were thinking just as freely as many of today's misinformed college students.
    One woman said she chose not to be a polygamist but believed in it as a principle, the other said she wanted to be a polygamist. I don't believe we have a right to arrest her for that, but I don't think we should show our support by legally condoning polygamy etc through marriage.

    The idea that all polygamist women were oppressed, blind fanatics is prejudice.

    Polygamist women were some of Americas first female Doctors, Lawyers, voters, etc. Things weren't always as they are.

    Stop the hating : )

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 9:57 a.m.

    This person is still a religious leader to thousands in Utah.

  • camotim Council Bluffs, IA
    Aug. 10, 2011 9:16 a.m.

    Interesting thing I see in the debate of plural marriage, is that the left is willing to use it as a means to attack the Restored Gospel, by attributing as a evil that is still practiced by the Church. But when it comes to islamic practice of ploygamy, we are told that this different as we must accept this as it is "their culture" founded, I might add, by a pedophile who married a 8 year-old girl. Jeffs is a sicko but i know of no allegations that he married any pre-pubescent girl as did Muhammad of mecca.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 10, 2011 7:44 a.m.

    Re: Kami | 1:43 p.m. Aug. 9, 2011

    Jeffs wasn't convicted of committing polygamy. He was convicted and sentenced for sexually assaulting two underage girls.

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Aug. 10, 2011 5:27 a.m.

    "It is not statutory rape if there is no statue making it so."

    Not everything that is "WRONG" is technically illegal.

  • hapticz New York, NY
    Aug. 10, 2011 12:21 a.m.

    why do i get the unusual sense that his actions were like a buck deer with a harem of compliant does? the does are 'taken' at the first sign of ovulation readiness and brought to bear offspring within a controlled and defended covey of mindless obedience. all competing males are beaten or killed to maintain his singular DNA strand within the offspring. almost akin to having daughter/father/cousin inbreeding as time went on. it's not very healthy for the future breed-stock in any event.

  • katiefrankie Provo, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:53 p.m.

    @Idaho Coug,

    To be honest, I don't really see the big deal behind "JS, BofM, LDS only true Church, etc." I didn't grow up LDS. I grew up in another religious tradition that was viewed as the only really correct way to believe in and worship God. I approached religion the same way I approached mathematics and grammar - there is only one right way to do it. 2 + 2 = 4, there is no gray area in spelling and punctuation if you are actually literate and correct, etc. Unlike my friends growing up, who liked to say that "what is true for you isn't true for me, and what is true for me might not be true for you," I didn't buy into moral relativism. Just like 6 / 3 is always going to = 2, truth is absolute. So when I learned about Joseph Smith and read the Book of Mormon, I asked God what his opinion on the matter was and followed what He told me to do. I don't see what argument is, when truth comes from its Creator. Either accept it or don't, but the consequences will always follow.

  • Mint Julip KAYSVILLE, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 8:14 p.m.

    @ John Pack Lambert:

    I haven't read Bushman's take on Helen Mar, so I can't speak to that. However I have read her journal and I agree with Compton's assessment. However, if Joseph wasn't having sexual relations with her, why was he married to her? We are told the command of polygamy is for the Lord to raise up a righteous seed.

    Secondly, I said nothing of whether Joseph's actions were legal or not. I personally believe that just because something is legal does not mean it is right.

  • Gary Federal Way, WA
    Aug. 9, 2011 8:07 p.m.


    Thanks for the info and where it came from. All people need is to know the truths and what the reasons were and why and to know that none of it was illegal and was done properly during Joseph Smith's time. There is no comparison to Jeffs in what he was doing in Utah and Texas. In what Jeffs was doing, I don't think the attitude Jeffs had has ever been approved at any time by any prophets since Adam and Eve.

  • Mint Julip KAYSVILLE, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 7:43 p.m.

    @Bob Bruce:

    Being tried by a jury of your peers does not mean being tried by a jury of like-minded people. These are two different things.

    Jeffs was tried by a jury of his peers. Fellow Americans.

    No other group of individuals is given the right to be tried with that group specifically represented in their jury. Whether it's a religious affilitation, white supremacist, homosexual, animal rights activist or whatever.

  • Idaho Coug Meridian, Idaho
    Aug. 9, 2011 6:56 p.m.

    I agree with many commenting here that it is absolutely correct and responsible to teach our children good moral principles. I am referring more to our indoctrination of religious ideas - JS, BofM, LDS only true Church, etc.

    And yet someone made a very good point that despite all the teaching and repetition done in LDS homes, less than half the males serve missions and probably only 1/3 of the 14 million announced members are actually active. So it seems clear that LDS are making their own free decisions and the majority are actually not remaining active.

  • Jim Mesa, Az
    Aug. 9, 2011 6:20 p.m.

    El Mano...thanks mate for the update..much appreciated

  • El Mano Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 5:56 p.m.

    Sorry @Jim,

    Polygamy is only illegal if people try and LEGALLY marry more than one other person. Modern polygamists marry only one other person legally and the rest are "spiritual marriages." Nothing illegal there. The illegality comes into play if the weddings are to minors and rape/molestation takes place.

  • El Mano Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 5:47 p.m.

    So many of you just don't get it...

    Jeffs didn't get locked up for polygamy. HE WENT TO JAIL FOR CHILD ABUSE!!!!

    Like it or not, consenting ADULTS can do pretty much whatever they want. They can have as many wives/sister-wives as they like so long as only one pair is legally married. They can "spiritually marry" whomever they'd like.

    Children can not legally consent.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Aug. 9, 2011 5:31 p.m.

    To those who say there is no good that comes from religion, I quote President Monson.

    "In addition to helping members of the church through our welfare program, we also sponsor humanitarian relief and developmental projects around the world to help those in need, regardless of their faith. From 1985 through the end of 2010, the church has provided, through its Humanitarian Aid fund, essential help to the needy in 178 countries and territories. With these funds, which have been generously donated by its members and which number in the millions of dollars, the church provides essential help to people in times of natural disasters, famine, sickness and events that can strike anyone, anywhere. Clothing and shoes are provided to those who are without. Quilts and blankets bring warmth to those who are cold. Kits are filled to meet the needs of newborn babies and their mothers. Bags are filled with supplies for school children. Hygiene kits help to maintain cleanliness and health in emergency situations. Whenever and wherever a disaster occurs, the LDS Church is among the first to respond with emergency relief.
    Part II coming

  • Jim Mesa, Az
    Aug. 9, 2011 5:29 p.m.

    I don't have a full appreciation of the Short Creek Raid, 60 years or so ago, but the law is the law, and the last time I looked, the 4th Amendment, did not protect criminals. The law is the law and those practicising polygamy are breaking the law. In short they are criminals.

  • guswetrust Cebterville, Utah
    Aug. 9, 2011 5:18 p.m.

    Finally some justice.

  • Mick Murray, Utah
    Aug. 9, 2011 5:15 p.m.

    Full disclosure-

    Do you have video of the above accusations against Joseph, or just heresay evidence. Were those women, or any women forced to marry any of the early leaders of the church. Can you prove with DNA evidence Joseph had any childeren with any of these women. And in the 1830's what was the mean marrying age?

    You are comparing apples and oranges.

    I am not denying that Joseph didn't practicing polygamy and that he probably may have consumated all of his marriages. I do deny that any of these marriages were forced, that he practiced group sex or that he had any offspring with plural marriage. There has not been any evidence of any of this.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Aug. 9, 2011 4:59 p.m.

    Mint Julip,
    Two points. 1- There is 0 evidence that Joseph Smith had sexual relations with Helen Mar Kimball. The best reflection on this issue would be to read "Rough Stone Rolling" and also Thomas G. Alexander's biography of Wilford Woodruff in which he considers real evidence to come to conclusions on this issue.
    2-It does not matter if Joseph Smith had sexual relations with Helen Mar Kimball from a legal point of view because in the 1840s the common law age of consent was 12. You are trying to pin illegal activity on Joseph Smith for something that would not have been illegal at the time. This is totally wrong. It is not statutory rape if there is no statue making it so.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Aug. 9, 2011 4:53 p.m.

    Contrary to what some posters imply Jeffs has been convicted by the state of Utah. There is a reason his group decided to relocate to Texas, it is because the pressure was building in Utah. There is a reason they are still in Texas, it is because the heavy-handed methods of the raid can be lived with much easier than the coordinated efforts of Utah's current AG.

  • Bill in Nebraska Maryville, MO
    Aug. 9, 2011 4:51 p.m.

    For those of you who are trying to compare Wararen Jeffs to Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, John Taylor and others need to quit trying to put how the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints practiced polygamy to how Jeffs practiced it.

    First off it was not illegal for a man to marry a 14, 15 or 16 year old in the 1800s. To put todays morality into effect is beyond anyone comprehension. It isn't the same. Some will say well it is better today. Really, then why so many children borne out of wedlock. Even today in some cultures it is not wrong to marry at ages 14, 15 and 16 years old. You need to understand what was going on in the 1840s and the way marriage was looked at to understand why and how polygamy was practiced. Failure to do so and you are being completely naive of the practice then and today.

    Second, a man had to be called to have an additional wife. You didn't just get to join a man and a woman together, it had to be approved by Priesthood Authority. Also, the way it was practiced is different from Jeffs.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    What bothers me about this is why Utah did not convict this man. Utahn's have know for decades what was happening and is still happening in this state and they do nothing to convict these men. I have worked for school districts and have known personally of children living under polygamous families and nothing is done on a state level to deal with this at all. For whatever reason Utah turns a blind eye on these relationships, it is still against the law of the land and we should be foremost in convicting those who engage in this destructive practice. Just for the protection of the children alone should be justification to rid our society of this terrible practice.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Aug. 9, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    Brainwashing is by and large a false theory. Definantly the claim that any other adult involved with Jeffs was not at fault is just hogwash. If Jeffs deserves to go to jail, than they need to prosecute the parents of his victims who were willing colaborators, and probably in many cases openly encoraged him to take their daughters as "wives".

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Aug. 9, 2011 4:47 p.m.

    The comparison of Warren Jeffs to Brigham Young is sickening. Warren Jeffs engaged in marrying underaged feamles, a charge never leveled against Brigham Young especially if we accept the truth that people are only underaged when there is a law that makes them so.

    Also Warren Jeffs command style method of mandating who marries who is a far cry from the way polygamy was practiced among Mormons in the 19th century.

    The problems with presentist judging of past people are so deep and complexed that attempts to compare Warren Jeffs to anyone else are just stupid.

    The reason that Utah, Arizona and other such states are not dragging polygamist off to jail in droves are two fold. First they respect the 4th admendment in ways Texas does not and secondly they did exactly this from about 1930 until 1955, yet it did not end polygamy. Dragging people off and making martyrs out of them is not the way to change behavior. This was learned 60 years ago by those who orchestrated the Short Creek Riad.

  • Commontater Lehi, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 4:43 p.m.

    To: Bob Bruce | 1:29 p.m. Aug. 9, 2011
    Stamford, CT

    Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden didn't have a jury of their peers either. They are still just as dead. To some it may not have been politically correct but the right thing happened to them and the right thing happened to Warren Jeffs.

    And, if I get my head all messed up like any of them I should expect the same thing to happen to me.

    There is a lot "sense" in the world today but there seems to be very little of it that is "common."

    Also, for all of those out there that are trying to lynch others in different centuries for practicing polygamy, give it up, already. Laws were changed and those who chose to uphold the laws also changed. Those who didn't choose to uphold the laws of the land should suffer as a result.

    I can tell you that the general authorities of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are very concerned about polygamist families because they don't want families broken up, however, they don't condone either their continuing practices of polygamy or any sexual abuse.

  • friedeggonAZstreets Glendale, AZ
    Aug. 9, 2011 4:29 p.m.

    Good. May he never come out of prison.

  • Peter Coyotl West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 4:00 p.m.

    Keep going after the pedophiles or else someone else from the FLDS cult will fill the vacuum of leadership created by Jeff's life sentence. Nothing will change unless the law keeps going after the criminals that are blatantly having sex with children in the FLDS community.

  • keepin it real VERNAL, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 3:12 p.m.

    This case does not have anything to do with The Mormon Religion. It has to do with a pervert having a serious power trip and using his power on helpless children. As for everyone fighting regarding who is right & who knows more about this & that religion .. STOP!Wake up call .. NONE OF US KNOW! What is the point of arguing about it? No one has a better "GOD". No ones "GOD" should be telling you that you are right and they are wrong. KARMA people, treat others how you wanted be treated & let your neighbor believe in whatever faith they choose.
    Lets all be happy (TOGETHER) there is one less sicko on the streets eyeing our children. AMEN to that!

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Aug. 9, 2011 3:07 p.m.

    Hey Bob Bruce?
    Just wondering which planet you live on?
    You might be a bit out of place here.

  • sharrona layton, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 2:56 p.m.

    Bob Bruce: This man never had a jury of his peers. Why weren't any of the FLDS on the jury? Evidence against him was illegally obtained. Jeffs is better of than JS .

    A newspaper article in the spring of 1844. A very strong and bitter feeling was aroused against Joseph, among many of his brethren [ ,probably Mormons in the Masonic lodge] in and around NauvooJoseph had recently presented the revelation of Celestial Marriage to the high council for approval, and certain members were bitterly opposed to itFrancis Higbe a justice of the peace, sat a table in one end of the room and administered the oath to each individual separately, in the following manner, The candidate would step forward to the table; take up a Bible.. Raise his right handYou solemnly swear ,before God and all holy angels, and these your brethren by whom you are surrounded, that you will give your life, your liberty, your influence, your all, for the destruction of Joseph Smith and his party! The person being sworn in say, I do. About 200 hundred persons [took] the oath.
    (Millennial Star, Vol.46 pp 497,499,501,502 and 519)

  • Maryquilter Farmington, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 2:49 p.m.

    @ Idaho Coug: There are other comments above which make many of the points regarding agency that I concur with.

    I think it would irresponsible as parents NOT to teach children to be honest, hard-working, kind and unselfish. It would be irresponsible to not let them know that I believe they have Heavenly Parents who love them and answer their prayers. They have their whole lives to decided if they agree, but at least they have been introduced to the concept. I have 4 grown children; we taught them all the same things growing up in the Mormon church; 2 have accepted those teachings as adults and 2 have not. They are all honest, kind, trustworthy, and loving adults regardless of their religious affiliations. I can't say for sure, but I believe raising in a faith-filled home helped not hindered their development. I don't think teaching them that telling lies, stealing, and cheating and having premarital sex would have made them better people all in the name of not 'brainwashing' them. I always allowed my kids to visit other churches with their friends if they wanted to; faith is useless if it doesn't hold up to scrutinty.

  • Bob Bruce Stamford, CT
    Aug. 9, 2011 2:29 p.m.

    It remains that Jeffs never had a jury of his peers convict him as guaranteed by the constitution. When being tried by your peers the law is on trial as much as the person. This gives the ultimate power to the people and not the state. Injustice was served today.

  • full disclosure Providence, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 2:18 p.m.

    Hey Insiders View aka Porter Rockwell:

    It is documented so my facts are straight. You might want to check out "Mint Julip's" comment on page three concerning historical accuracy. There are several books by LDS authors and non-LDS authors alike. Journal of Discourses and History of the church if you would like to stick to the church as your source of information. You might also wiki.
    I did get the Porter Rockwell reference. It made me laugh out loud, but more important, made me think how it made it past the Deseret News message board review committee. To that i give you a "thumbs up."

  • Idaho Coug Meridian, Idaho
    Aug. 9, 2011 2:06 p.m.

    To add to what I said earlier -

    I guess I am simply wondering whether there is a different impact (and whether as parents we should care) on a developing mind of a child between normal education and information obtained in school or reading a book and the way we teach our children about our religious convictions?

    If a child reads something in a book and then hears something a bit different on t.v. or from a friend, I would assume it rather easy for them to use their reason and logic to decide what they actually believe. But how different is that from the way we teach or engrain our religious beliefs?

    Children in active LDS homes repeatedly hear emotional testimonies, lessons, prayers and blessings that testify that the teachings found in the LDS Church are true and provide the (often only) path back to God. And most LDS parents want that belief to become a conviction for their children too. We really do indoctrinate (I can't think of another word) our children in the way we believe.

    Maybe that is exactly what we should be doing. It has simply made me wonder how that impacts free will.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 2:01 p.m.

    Re: Bob Bruce

    If Jeffs is not guilty of what he was accused, then no one in the history of this world had even been guility of anything. The LEGALLY obtained evidence is overwhelming. The guy recorded everything he ever did! As far as his competency is concerned, he obviously knew what he was doing was against the law since he stated in his own journal that "they'd hang me from the highest tree".

    Sorry, open and shut case. May he enjoy his time in prison.

  • Kami Bountiful, Utah
    Aug. 9, 2011 1:43 p.m.

    What does it say about a State whose lawmakers are predominately LDS, they know they have a huge polygamy problem in the State, yet they pass absolutely no legislation to make it easier to prosecute these people? What is going on here in Utah?

  • Bob Bruce Stamford, CT
    Aug. 9, 2011 1:29 p.m.

    This man never had a jury of his peers. Why weren't any of the FLDS on the jury? Evidence against him was illegally obtained. DNA evidence can be contrived especially when the government's doing the contriving. I hope his sentence is overturned on appeal.

  • New Yorker Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    Gary, then we ought to look as to why we don't have the same laws as Texas to protect our children. Has FLDS money bought our legislature?

  • Mint Julip KAYSVILLE, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    @ Gary: Mormon historians believe that Joseph Smith did have full marital relations with 14 year old Helen Mar Kimball. (see In Sacred Loneliness, available through Deseret Book along with Helen's journal.)

    If he did't, then how is he justified? In Mormon scripture, polygamy is commanded by God, at times, for the raising up of a righteous seed.

    God does not, in any of His very specific revelations on polygamy solely justify the practice for the caring of women, the spiritual sealing to husbands, or any other reason. In fact, he goes into great detail to explain why polygamous men are not committing adultery in His eyes.

    Also, you have it backwards, Joseph began practicing polygamy between 1833-35 with his first wife, 16 year old Fanny Alger. The revelation was not recorded in the Doctorine and Covenants until 1843.

    There were many more polygamous marriages performed after the Manifesto was given, you can see for yourself on the church's family history website.

    Everything I have written is factual and verifiable.

    I am glad Jeffs was convicted, but I wish polygamy was never taught as a religious principal because so many have suffered from the teaching.

  • Gary Federal Way, WA
    Aug. 9, 2011 1:02 p.m.

    Utah doesn't have the same laws written as Texas does. That's why Texas was able to go to the max in prosecuting Jeffs. The right laws in any state is the key to proper prosecution for something like this.

  • Gary Federal Way, WA
    Aug. 9, 2011 1:01 p.m.

    As for the comments from @fulldisclosure, he is mistaken about Joseph Smith having relations with underage girls. Had several wives yes. Relations yes with only a few some of them and not underage. Many were just marriages and sealings on paper only and processed through in the temple. If one researches this in the right areas, you'll find it was done for the right reasons. Joseph Smith at first did not want to do it because he knew what people would do judging him and the church on this and wasn't comfortable about it. This was all new and hard to take in. But eventually he was told by God he had to do this or else be removed as a prophet. The revelation was given I think in 1832, but polygamy not practiced until around 1842 and only a select few were called to practice it and they did with honor until 1890 when Federal Law prohibited it. No comparison to Jeffs actions at all. As a thought, I surmise the day will come in the future when the anti-polygamy law will be removed to allow polygamy for religious purposes, but not allow underage marriages.

  • JonathanPDX Portland, Oregon
    Aug. 9, 2011 12:55 p.m.

    Let the judgments of (Warren Jeffs') heaven begin. Excuse me, I need to go wash my hair.

    It never ceases to amaze me what some men will do in the name of religion, and even more amazing is that many people, who know better, will simply follow along out of fear or greed, even at the cost of the innocence and safety of the very youngest of their (and God's) children.

    I hope and pray that others will wake up and stop this abuse of children.

  • Charlemagne Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 9, 2011 12:40 p.m.

    It takes a lot of chutzpah for a man who thinks that the whole world should conform itself to his narcissistic whims to refer to himself as a "Humble Servant"!

  • New Yorker Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 12:37 p.m.

    Why didn't Utah do this? From what I heard on KSL Television Utah authorities knew as much or more knew as much or more about him years ago. Also, why doesn't Utah go aggressively after all the rest of the polygamist child abusers still in their jurisdiction? Perhaps we have to look to see what campaign contributions have been made by FLDS members to our elected officials at the state, county, and local levels. It's nice to have a judge, prosecutor, and law enforcement official in one's back pocket.

    Aug. 9, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    Thanks be to God, this evil man has been stopped, and I pray he will never see freedom again. I believe that all leaders/parents found guilty should be called to justice and the victims be given the services they need to pursue a better life.
    I am terribly saddened by how much this case and other like it (concerning the FLDS faith) will smear the reputation and goodness of the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. We are good people, with good hearts. No one forces us to follow our leaders, we choose to follow, not just because they are good and righteous men, but because they are true prophets of God and represent our Savior Jesus Christ.
    Please do not allow these wicked men to color your perceptions of the LDS faith.

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    Aug. 9, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    Israel allows the Yemenite Jews (they originated in Yemen) to continue to practice polygamy

  • Serenity Manti, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 12:29 p.m.

    Idaho Coug: Just what alternative viewpoints do you suggest? Should we teach our children, for instance that premarital sex is against the laws of God, but they can have a choice to do it if they please? It's a popular thing to do in this day and age. Now, wouldnt that be destructive?

    LDS children have to make choices. No one can force them to do right or wrong; they always have choices. Please don't compare regular LDS kids or parents to the FLDS community. LDS parents teach what they think is best for their children. But it is for the children to choose what they want to do, not what their parents want them to.

    The LDS live in the outside world, all over the world and they make everyday choices. Because they live in the outside world, they find out about alternative choices soon enough. Because they have free will, they can, and do choose. The FLDS are brought up in a close, controlled community. They barely have contact with the outside world. They cannot have free will. They cannot make choices.

  • Demisana South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 12:27 p.m.

    @Idaho Coug

    A large percentage of LDS boys don't go on missions. Large percentages don't go to BYU, or get married in the temple, or remain active after age 18. Many choose to leave the church. We don't throw them out of our families for making these choices. We continue to love them, pray for them, and be there for them whether or not we like their choices.

    We teach them as well as we can while they are young, but it's their choice and their decision. Most of our kids go to public schools, watch TV, have internet access, etc. They have plenty of opportunities for hearing other viewpoints. Just look at the number of former LDS who comment on these boards!

  • Commontater Lehi, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 12:25 p.m.

    To: Idaho Coug

    I hate to break it to you but there is no such thing as "free agency." While we do have freedom to make choices. They are not free. When parents allow their children to have free run at life because they think they are entitled to "free agency" then the morals of family completely disappear.

    Parents have a responsibility to teach what is right and what is wrong. I mean both, not just what is right (truth), or, not just what is wrong (false). They also must teach the blessings/reward for doing that which is right and the consequences of doing that which is wrong, AND, hold them accountable for their decision/s. Without this teaching/understanding they cannot exercise agency to choose.

    For example it doesn't matter if someone believes that the sun raises in the west and sets in the east. They are absolutely wrong.

    Any father or mother that would teach their 12 year old child that a 50+ year old man should have sex him is just plain wrong. I don't care what part of the world you are from or what religion you claim to believe.

  • Ross Madison, AL
    Aug. 9, 2011 12:22 p.m.

    It appears there is nothing Mormon about this guy, not even fundamentalist, seems he has been pressed into service by a very experienced con man.

  • InsideView Draper, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 12:20 p.m.

    Hey "Full Disclosure", where are you getting your information? "It is documented?" Where? He did participate in polygamy, yes, but the times and curcumstances are so far removed when compasring the two cases. It was not against the laws of man when Joseph taught this practice. As soon as the laws changed, the Church changed it's practice and those that could not accept it were no longer in good standing. And how do you know how the commentators on the board feel about Joseph Smith? Speak for yourself and get your facts straight please. I think I just might change my handle from "InsideView" to "Porter Rockwell".

  • SUNNY ALL DAY Saint George, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 12:14 p.m.

    "tot mom" goes free.

    Thank goodness Jeffs was not tried in Florida.

  • SpanishImmersed Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 9, 2011 12:10 p.m.

    I afraid it will take alot more than one man's incarceration to stop the perpetual cycle of multi-wife patriarchal incestuous inbreeding practiced for decades on the polygamy ranches from Chihuahua to British Columbia. I don't know that any government agency has the funding or legal authority to dismantle this web of heinous atrocities being committed in the name of religion.

  • ClarkKent Bountiful, Utah
    Aug. 9, 2011 12:08 p.m.

    Now they need to DNA test every child in this group and figure out how old their birth mother was at the time of delivery and if she was below the legal marriage age they need to prosecute every one of the biological fathers. This needs to stop.

  • full disclosure Providence, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 12:05 p.m.

    I applaud all of your comments and glad to see where each of you stand on the issue of Child molestation. Warren Jeffs took underage brides, in the name of God, and did what he wanted with them. His acts are deplorable! It's funny how history has somewhat repeated itself. Although Joseph Smith was never prosecuted for marrying and having relations with teenage girls, it is documented that it happened. He set a very ugly precedent that Warren Jeffs used to his advantage.
    I have confidence in the fact that the commenters on this board probably feel the same way about Josephs acts as Warren Jeffs. This you should be commended for.

  • Pete in Texas Copperas Cove, TX
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:56 a.m.

    Idaho Coug? Your last sentence kind of concerned me. Do you want your children to have the "free agency" of trying out drugs so that they've got "alternative viewpoints" to what drugs can do for them so you don't engrain in them the need to stay away from them? You seem to misunderstand that teaching truth is the only way that kids can understand for themselves what is right and wrong. That's why it's imperative that the truth, and absolute truth, is being taught. With religion this is a little harder to objectively "prove". Since you can't effenctively even "prove" that God exists, is there no reason to try and teach them from an early age that God exists and is even there? I would hope that you don't withold too much from them at an early age in the worry that you aren't providing them alternative viewpoints because you can trust me that society will do that for you as they get older. The only hope you can have is that you've taught them well enough that they don't let go of what really is "true" for a more attractive alternative viewpoint.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:49 a.m.

    Thanks you Texas!

    The polygs. have made a mockery of Utah law enforcement for decades. Now if Utah would only prosecute some of the "moms" (I use the term loosely).

    Weren't the "moms" also complicit?

  • Old Navy Provo, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:46 a.m.

    Next up, Merril Jessop.

  • Idaho Coug Meridian, Idaho
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:38 a.m.

    This should assure that other polygamists will stop involving children in the practice. But the brainwashing continues within these groups and I am afraid a 23 year old woman who has known nothing except what has been repeated to her since a child has just as little actual free will as the 12 year olds who were abused by Jeffs.

    I actually wonder how much free will Jeffs actually had? How much free will does someone have no matter their age if they grow up in a society that repeatedly teaches one and only one truth while tying it to God and salvation and excluding any contradictory information?

    Even if what we teach our children does not encourage abuse and violence, what responsibility do we have as parents to provide alternative points of view and encourage study and exploration?

    Obviously LDS parents believe that the Church makes our children better people and provides a path to exhaltation. But when we also emphasize free agency, do we have a responsibility to provide alternative viewpoints?

    Is it really free agency when we engrain in our children daily and in multiple ways that the ONLY path to exhaltation is through Mormonism?

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:35 a.m.

    "The jury deliberated less than half an hour."

    That's a nanosecond in jury time. That's barely long enough to take roll call and a first vote. I love it!

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:34 a.m.

    And now he gets to meet is new cellmates! I have heard of what these guys to to child molesters! Justice is a wonderful thing!

  • Sandpiper Air Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:32 a.m.

    Thanks Pete.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:30 a.m.

    Can't we just export all our criminal cases to have them tried in Texas? They know how to get things done.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:24 a.m.

    A Commontater

    Good point. Mitchell's singing intimidated a female judge who didn't quite know how to handle the situation. I'd have told his attorney's "Either you get your client to be quiet or I will order a shave and haircut and if that doesn't work, you will be in court without him, but the trial will go on." (For those who would scream that his "rights" had been violated by a court-ordered shave and haircut, I'd point out that no harm was done as his hair, in time, would grow back.)

    Jeffs, in the name of "persecution" has held the Utah authorities at bay for decades. Now let's see if they suddenly get a jolt of courage to persue justice for the victims in this state.

  • Serenity Manti, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:23 a.m.

    What evil lurks in the hearts and minds of men? Warren Jeffs, in the name of his god committed heinous acts of molestation and sick sexual acts. He blasphemed the name of God, telling his young victims that they were doing this because God wanted them to. What about the mothers of these young children? Didn't they have a clue that something was wrong with his actions?

    These people are brain-washed and have been for generations. I don't know what it would take to make them see that the acts they have done are a perversion of even the laws of polygamy of the Old Testament.

    Jeffs may be in jail, but he will be in charge of the FLDS and will control them through whatever means possible from prison just as he has been doing. He needs to be cut off from any communication with the outside world.

  • Jim Mesa, Az
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:22 a.m.

    Brigham Young was alleged to have said that the leaders of false religions know that they are doing wrong. Jeffs said it all when he wrote in his journal..."if people knew what I was doing, they would hang me from the highest tree". or words similair. Now that TX has spoken when will AZ and UT and Canada follow suit?

  • lkm55 Porterviller, CA
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:20 a.m.

    and God smiled...

  • LOL holladay, utah
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:18 a.m.

    Polygamy is NOT the path to heaven.
    In the civilized world it is the path to prison.
    Time to round up all the dirty old men.

  • Pete in Texas Copperas Cove, TX
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:16 a.m.

    All ya'll are welcome. =)

  • kansanbyheritage WAMEGO, KS
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:16 a.m.

    I think the Jeffs got his just desserts! I completely agree with the verdict and sentence.

    I do question whether the same amount of effort would have been put forth if Jeffs had been a Muslim....

  • anneray Kosciusko, Mississippi
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:15 a.m.

    What will now happen to all the wives and children? Will the other 'old' men continue to follow Jeffs leading? Who will oversee all that is left of this group?

  • Gosh-DUH Burlington, CT
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:13 a.m.

    In the photo, Jeffs looks like he was punched in the gut. may that feeling remain with him as he spends the rest of his earthly life in prison, alone, without his 78+ wives. Agree with giantfan. do not let Jeffs be a remote prophet continuing to control those people from beyond the prison doors. Stop his communication with them. else they will not be able to heal.

  • Commontater Lehi, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:09 a.m.

    Justice can be had in Texas! Will Utah finally follow suit? They couldn't get it right with Brian David Mitchell! The fed's had to clean up that mess. Hopefully they take away his ability to lead his church from prison and hopefully the parents of the victimized children are next.

    Aug. 9, 2011 11:09 a.m.

    We talk about how the kids and followers were brainwashed to participate in these atrocities, but can't the same thing be said about Jeffs. Why aren't the parents and other participants being prosecuted? Perhaps that is yet to come.

    Aug. 9, 2011 11:07 a.m.

    When I seen people like Jeffs that claim to speak for God, I always wonder if they really believe they are a prophet, or if they are just pretending. It is amazing the power that is available to a person if they can simply convince their followers that a spiritual feeling trumps rational thought and logic.

  • heidi ho Fort Collins, CO
    Aug. 9, 2011 10:52 a.m.

    It is good to see justice happen. I was sexually assaulted by my biological father yet he walks free.................

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Aug. 9, 2011 10:52 a.m.

    I'm glad he got his just dues...it's about time. Too many confuse these so called self proclaimed fundalmentalists with the true LDS society...which they are not.

    Now then let's get back to football.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 10:51 a.m.

    Justice has been rendered to Mr. Jeffs. Compensation for the innocent and all the victims taken in by this behavior will have to wait until the next life, but it will surely be meeted out, the, too. I just hope others learn from this trajedy and change their behavior. It's too bad that principles can be so twisted they become a asource of unspeakable evil.

  • MoJules Florissant, MO
    Aug. 9, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    At this point, these girls do not understand what a sick thing was happening to them. I am glad that he is going away for life, I understand that he really went out of control when his father died. I know first hand how his father found ways to manipulate the system for medical reasons. But Warren manipulated little girls and their parents, that is sick and wrong. I hope that they have stopped this marriage with 12 year olds.

  • grandutefan Moab, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 10:45 a.m.

    In this day and age Brother Brigham and Joseph would be facing the same charges and sentence...

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Aug. 9, 2011 10:45 a.m.

    Those who have been following the trial of Warren Jeffs, will continue to watch the State of Utah, Canada, and other places where men have unjustly ruled women and young girls in the name of religion.
    Will our state of Utah now go after those "other FLDS" accomplices?
    A monumental question...........................

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 10:43 a.m.

    Well Danny, what you said is true of a lot of groups... not just "cults".

    I am suspicious of any organization that tries to tell people how to think and pushes their point of view as the only true way.

  • byu rugby Crystal Lake, IL
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  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 10:40 a.m.

    If they really want to protect society, particularly the victims, the families of the victims and future victims, they should cut off all outside communication with the world while he's in jail. Do not allow him the use of $1000's of dollars worth of phone cards purchased by his followers. Do not allow him to still direct the church from inside jail.

  • Be Practical Sandy, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 10:39 a.m.

    Way to go Texas!

  • IHeartMusic Mendocino, CA
    Aug. 9, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    Don't Mess With Texas!

  • Daniel Haszard Bangor, ME
    Aug. 9, 2011 8:19 a.m.

    The definition of a destructive religious cult is like alcoholism-if alcohol controls you instead of the other way around you are an alcoholic.If they try to ruin your reputation and break up your family for trying to get out then they are a cult!

    Whenever you surrender your logic and reason to anyone who asks you to trust them because they know better it's possibly a cult.If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....
    Danny former Jehovah's Witnesses group