Polygamist leader Warren Jeffs convicted of child sex abuse

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  • snowman Provo, UT
    Aug. 8, 2011 10:55 p.m.

    The Vanka: I am referring to the revelation that is in D&C. It was given to Joesph three years before it was actually written and practiced. Emma didn't agree with polygamy and so she told Jospeh that she didn't want to know about his marriages. She did however know about all of the marriages. Oh and Vanka I study my history everyday of my life so I do know what I am talking about.

  • The Vanka Provo, UT
    Aug. 8, 2011 9:03 a.m.

    snowman,

    Are you referring to the 1831 Polygamy Revelation transcript W.W.Phelps made at the request of Joseph Smith, wherein it was revealed to Joseph Smith:

    "[I]t is [Jesus Christ's] will, that in time, ye should take unto you wives of the Lamanites and Nephites [i.e., Native Americans], that their posterity may become white, delightsome, and Just, for even now their females are more virtuous than the gentiles."

    (Compare 2Nephi30:56 in the 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon).

    Is that the revelation you are referring to?

    No, sorry. Emma was not kept in the loop about Joseph's "marriages" to Fanny Alger or several others until many years later.

    Study your history. If you don't find it as off-putting as the rest of the world, there is something seriously wrong with your moral compass.

  • snowman Provo, UT
    Aug. 6, 2011 6:39 p.m.

    Vanka: nothing was kept from Emma. The revelation was published 3 years after Joseph received it.

  • IHeartMusic Mendocino, CA
    Aug. 6, 2011 4:01 p.m.

    no fit in SG | 12:32 p.m. Aug. 5, 2011
    St.George, Utah
    It was ok back then.

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    With all due respect, no it wasn't.

  • Vanka Provo, UT
    Aug. 6, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    It is not true that there were no laws on the books against plural marriages in Joseph Smith's day. Please read Richard Bushman's biography of Joseph Smith for details.

    Few would disagree that If God commands it, you must do it.

    But who can verify that God commanded something?

    How do you know God told Joseph Smith to "marry" Fanny Alger? To keep it secret from Emma? 10 years prior to official revelation being published (see Richard Bushman, p.323-327 for details)?

    How can you say that God really commanded Joseph to engage in polygamy, but God did NOT command Warren Jeffs or Brian David Mitchell? They all claimed God told them to do what they did. Who are you to say otherwise?

    Everybody agrees we should obey God's commandments. The trouble is, God seems to always be a no show when we are looking for him to publicly verify that he gave this or that commandment to this or that person.

    It seems we are always given God's word by the very people who stand to benefit from the commandments being given, not God himself!

    Accept all who claim to speak for God, or reject them all.

  • Shonna BOUNTIFUL, UT
    Aug. 6, 2011 12:00 a.m.

    I want to clear one thing. The LDS church did not practice unrighteous dominion of underage girls in the act of polygamy. In the present, past, and will not in the future. With Jeffs saying this is the gospel. He is wrong. His actions are not a part of the gospel.

  • toshi1066 OGDEN, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 7:13 p.m.

    About darn time! And now to lock him up with fellow felons, wonder how long he'll survive been the aggression in directed at him?

  • Mr. Bean Miami, Fla
    Aug. 5, 2011 5:28 p.m.

    @LOL: "God had nothing to do whatsoever with the male-dominated and power-crazed idea of polygamy."

    Then Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, etc., were not God's prophets? Is that your point? And, of course it is male-dominated. If it were female-dominated (your only other option) it would be polyandry.

    "This is clearly Man's self-centered doing."

    Do you see any female Prophets/Apostles in the Christian Bible?

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    @LValfre: "They keep denying my comments, but can someone please explain to me why everyone's so angry with Warren Jeffs and yet Joseph Smith had a wife who was 14 years old?"

    There were no laws on the books about marrying 14 year-olds back in the day such as there is now. Further, life expectancy was significantly shorter. People married younger.

    But look at us now. We have laws on the books that permit men/men and women/women marriages. The Smith, Jeffs, et.al., conduct might seem odd, but by contrast today's permitted marriage arrangements look downright asinine. Go figure.

  • TeamFugu Holladay, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 3:06 p.m.

    This has more to do with perversion than religion. He uses religion to justify actions. You have to know that something is wrong when someone says that if any other person were to do this, it would be wrong but when serivicing me, it is doing god's work.

    Fundamentally I have no problem with plural marriage, if you can make it work. Where I do have a problem is when the men are marrying girls that are first minors, and second less than half their age. And what do you do with 87 wives? This is creating a personal brothel. If he were marrying women close to his own age, I'd say leave him be. But a 40 year or more, old man marrying a minor is just wrong.

    He will be going places in the next life, I just don't think it will be where he thinks.

  • Vanka Provo, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 1:12 p.m.

    I wonder the same thing LValfre asks. Why does DN continue to deny comments about Joseph Smith's plural wives that are factual? Is the DN joining forces with the Mormon Defense League to suppress all negative about the Church and its history, all in the name of "defending the faith"?

    That has been tried before. It always backfires.

    Warren Jeffs considers himself a Prophet and heir to Joseph Smith, Jr. To understand Jeffs, you must understand the tradition of polygamy dating back to Joseph Smith.

    Brian David Mitchell was following the same tradition when he abducted 14 year old Elizabeth Smart.

    If you want the truth, look on Familysearch for Helen Mar Kimball. She "married" (spiritually) Joseph Smith in May, 1843. She was 14 years old.

    Richard Bushman's biography of Joseph Smith confirms that Fanny Alger was also secretly "spiritually married" (undocumented) to Joseph Smith when Fanny was a teenage servant (and "adopted daughter") in the home of Joseph and Emma Smith.

    Fanny was only 16. Oliver Cowdery was excommunicated for calling it "a dirty, nasty, filthy affair...", and Emma abruptly kicked Fanny out of the house.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Aug. 5, 2011 12:53 p.m.

    You're joking right? Marrying 14 year olds was okay 100 years ago but now it's not? As if women matured faster then? Please. Please. I love how LDS justify things ... no rationale once oh ever sometimes.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Aug. 5, 2011 12:32 p.m.

    It was ok back then.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Aug. 5, 2011 11:54 a.m.

    They keep denying my comments, but can someone please explain to me why everyone's so angry with Warren Jeffs and yet Joseph Smith had a wife who was 14 years old?

  • Miss Piggie Miami, Fla
    Aug. 5, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    "Police had raided the group's remote West Texas ranch in April 2008, finding women dressed in frontier-style dresses and hairdos from the 19th century...."

    This type of dress and hair style is clearly unacceptable and should be rejected. Our Constitution's founding fathers (who sometimes wore powdered wigs) are probably turning over in their graves.

    "As the sentencing phase began, prosecutors told jurors they will present evidence that Jeffs had 78 wives, in addition to his legal spouse..."

    I hear tell of places such as California and elsewhere where they've had at least that many 'wives.' 'Cept they're not called wives... Yes, and in many cases, in addition to their legal wives/husbands. Sometimes elected officials have similar situations.

    "Several minutes of heavy breathing followed."

    This is despicable conduct! We cannot allow heavy breathing. Clearly a violation of state law and the US Constitution. Jeffs shoulda knowed better. He and his associates who conducted heavy breathing should be severely reprimanded.

    And now, to show how civilized we are, we've decided in many cases, to allow people of the same sex to not only conduct heavy breathing but also marry and engage in 'drawing close.'

  • LOL holladay, utah
    Aug. 5, 2011 11:22 a.m.

    Sorry, SSMD. God had nothing to do whatsoever with the male-dominated and power-crazed idea of polygamy. This is clearly Man's self-centered doing.

  • SSMD Silver Spring, MD
    Aug. 5, 2011 10:58 a.m.

    sharrona:
    Polygamy clearly was permitted by God under certain circumstances in the OT (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, etc.)David and Solomon's polygamy, in many cases, was not authorized and, as you said in the case of Solomon, he did sin.
    Monogamy is the default position in Christianity, but in certain times and places polygamy was authorized.

  • Neanderthal Miami, Fla
    Aug. 5, 2011 10:53 a.m.

    What? Are you saying a married man cannot have a child... even though his wife is 15? Are you saying he had no marriage becasue he had no license issued by the state? Licenses are not needed in some cases to have a recognized marriage... so-called "common law marriage."

    Further, this guy may get off on appeal. The raiders of the compound did not have a search warrant, required by the US Constitution. Jeffs may come off the smarter as he might have most of the evidence tossed on appeal.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Aug. 5, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    They're blocking me every time for whatever reason. Joseph Smith was married to a 14 year old girl. That's all, please comment. Apparently this is a touchy topic i shouldn't bring up so i'll leave it at that.

  • CF Mom Sandy, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 9:51 a.m.

    Historical point - While Joseph Smith did have multiple wives, he married most if not all to give support to them after there were difficult circumstances involving the loss of husbands and the need for support of existing children. Many were sealed to him after his death, including my direct grandmother Amanda Barnes Smith, there are no records showing he visited any of them like Jeffs did with his "wives". Emma is the only wife by who had his children. This can be verified by the Joseph Smith family organization.

    Jeffs has obviously forgotten the 13th Article of Faith - We believe in obeying the Law! (paraphrased)

  • full disclosure Providence, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 9:46 a.m.

    Can someone help me. I don't understand. We consider what Warren Jeffs did as appalling and disgusting. Is it true that Joseph Smith also married a few 14 year old girls and we consider that to be good? Someone help me with the difference.

    Joseph Smith married young girls because God commanded him too and Warren Jeffs claimed he did too so why is Warren Jeffs a sick man and Joseph Smith a hero?

    Warren Jeffs was guilty of breaking the law of the land. In many cases Joseph Smith also broke the law of the land. Should Joseph Smith not be held to the same standard?
    Following a man that claims to follow God is good. Following a different man that claims to follow God is bad?

    Wasn't Warren Jeffs following the same scriptures that we follow and that Joseph Smith taught from?

  • sharrona layton, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 9:40 a.m.

    J-TX:All of my non-LDS friends recognize the vast difference between the mormonism of the LDS Church and that of Warren Jeffs?
    The FLDS church,Their prophet(JS) had 34 wives from the ages of fourteen to fifty-six years old and eleven of the women were married to other men at the same time.

    That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife(not wives), and they become one flesh. (Genesis 2:24) Man was warned in the O.T. No polygamy. Solomon sin, his wives led to the dividing and the destruction of Israel.Paul explains the consequences in Titus 1:5,6 appoint Elders in every town as I directed you if anyone is above reproach, the husband of ONE wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination.

    Intolerance: "As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all, especially unto them who are of the household of faith (pale of Christianity)." (Galatians 6:10) Of course, one must keep in mind that tolerance is not necessarily agreement,or even acceptance of Mormonism

  • LOL holladay, utah
    Aug. 5, 2011 9:39 a.m.

    Jeff's testimony was quotes from the Book of Mormon. Live with it. He was only acting as any self-appointed "prophet" would act.
    It's all about absolute power and absolute patriarchy.
    Methinks a new revelation is in order making it a tad easier for Huntsman and Romney to answer the questions that are sure to come from the media sooner or later about what President Hinckley called: "A peculiar people."

  • SSMD Silver Spring, MD
    Aug. 5, 2011 9:25 a.m.

    furry: "Prove to me that Saddam Hussein had WMD in 2003 when Bush invaded Iraq, and you might have a point BUT the incident you cite happened years before Bush's invasion. I would point out to you that the investigators in 2003 found no WMDs, and Bush cut short their search and invaded before his excuse for the invasion was totally disproved."
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    Can you explain why 450 tons of yellowcake uranium were found in Iraq?
    How could Bush cut short a UN team?
    Saddam admitted to FBI interrogators that he behaved so that the world, especially Iran, would think he had WMDs.
    Given Saddam's prior use of WMDs and his behavior, a prudent leader would assume he had them, if lacking confirmation.
    Do you similarly blame the senators who authorized combat, all of whom had access to the available intell?

  • shotgunannie Provo, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 9:11 a.m.

    There are only two difference between the flds and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints, and those differences are the multiple marriages and the marrying of young girls to older men.

  • Mjay WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 9:04 a.m.

    Not only has he caused mental anguish to young girls for rape, but what about the excommunication of the "Lost Boys" that were exiled for doing little or nothing wrong, so the older men would not have to compete with the young bucks.

  • Alfred Miami, Fla
    Aug. 5, 2011 8:45 a.m.

    @timpClimber:

    "The State (Utah) had no valid cause to make the raid the Texas authorities did..."

    The State of Texas had no warrant for the raid.

    "They got the tapes and separated the children from parents and got DNA samples."

    All of which was illegal and a violation of Constitutional rights.

    "Glad he will have a hard time repeating his crimes."

    The real criminal here is Texas for violating the rights of its citizens.

  • ClarkKent Bountiful, Utah
    Aug. 5, 2011 8:43 a.m.

    All of the parents who gave up their young daughters to be married to any of these pedofiles in this "church" should also be prosecuted for child endangerment and for accessories to rape.

  • Spot Light Beverly Hills, CA
    Aug. 5, 2011 8:32 a.m.

    Home Town USA, UT

    There is no justifiable defense for his kind of behavior, in the least degree of allowance. He is wasting the courts valuable time and government's money. Religious freedoms. . . no way!

    *Where were his victims and why did they not testify for the prosecution?

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    *They were forced back to the commune. They would be outcasts if they testified.

    You know how that works right?

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Aug. 5, 2011 8:30 a.m.

    Some of you might think that Texas' acting on the 911 call was due to some cultural predisposition against the LDS Church. Let me tell you, there is no truth to that. Texas acted on a tip about child abuse, plain and simple. And the State has done a great job with this case. Git 'er done!

    The LDS Church enjoys a stellar reputation in Texas. While there are still Fundamentalists, mostly Baptists and Methodists, who believe / preach that we are not Christian, in the schools, in government and in our neighborhoods we are respected and liked. Mormons work alongside their neighbors doing service, volunteer work, and in the private and public sectors. Our kids are recognized for high morals and work ethic. A teacher friend of mine told me she overheard their guidance counsellor talking with a student who wanted to crack the top 10 in his class. The counsellor said, "If you're not Asian or Mormon, you will have a tough time with that goal."

    All of my non-LDS friends recognize the vast difference between the mormonism of the LDS Church and that of Warren Jeffs.

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 8:24 a.m.

    To LOL:
    "Before Romney or Huntsman gets elected and pardons them all."

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    It was interesting to see you slip this in at the end of your posting. But I find it hard to believe that either Romney or Huntsman would condone the actions of Warren Jeffs.

  • Furry1993 Somewhere in Utah, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 7:44 a.m.

    To nottyou | 5:58 p.m. Aug. 4, 2011
    Riverton, UT
    To Pagan: Your comments involving George W. Bush have little to do with this article, but I can't let you get away with your false accusation. Google the WMD mass murders that Saddam Hussein committed. It is documented. You can see the pictures. He had WMDs and he had used them on his own people. There was no reason to conclude that he didn't still have those WMDs. Google it.

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    Prove to me that Saddam Hussein had WMD in 2003 when Bush invaded Iraq, and you might have a point BUT the incident you cite happened years before Bush's invasion. I would point out to you that the investigators in 2003 found no WMDs, and Bush cut short their search and invaded before his excuse for the invasion was totally disproved.

  • Aggielove Junction city, Oregon
    Aug. 5, 2011 6:47 a.m.

    Texas allows gets it done. Thanks ya'll

  • Mr Smith Lethbridge, Alberta
    Aug. 4, 2011 11:22 p.m.

    I'm so glad he got this punishment it sets the bar and example to all out there no matter religion there are limitations to a child being abused like that. Praise God (of the bible) for this rightful judgement.

  • Bob Bruce Stamford, CT
    Aug. 4, 2011 11:01 p.m.

    Nearly everything the government told us to justify the raid on the FLDS was a lie and nearly everything the press reported was a lie how can we so quickly condemn this man. I cannot condemn him. I know how often evidence is falsified. I know how the press reports prejudiced us against him and his people. I live in the NYC area and I can tell you most of what you hear about 911 is not true. We who lived through it know what happened.

  • eagle651 Chino Valley, AZ
    Aug. 4, 2011 10:08 p.m.

    You may have noticed that Associated Press writer Wiil Weissert tied "mainstream Mormonism" twice into his article. Makes the Mormon Church look like they are part of the blame.
    Reporters know how to lead public opinion for future publication.

  • peppermint salt lake city, utah
    Aug. 4, 2011 9:51 p.m.

    I think there is some confusion here. Religious freedm is for all genders, male and female. Where was the freedom for these girls? How can this be considered any different than the child brides in the Middle East? To me it is clear, that there are many more pediphiles out there, than people are willing to admit to. Girls are not property, as Jeffs said they are, and sexual relations with a minor is rape. Pediphiles are criminals, who need to be punished severely.

  • MR Draper, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 9:47 p.m.

    During my residency, a fellow resident of mine was from Alabama. He and his wife were married at 15. No pregnancy, no cult (Baptist). Apparently it wasnt anything strange to them or the community and happens all the time. How does this happen and how is this legal as well?

  • timpClimber Provo, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 9:35 p.m.

    The State of Utah did a good job with the evidence they had. The State had no valid cause to make the raid the Texas authorities did (No call for help even if phony). But the Utah case alerted Texas authorities to what might be going on. They got the tapes and separated the children from parents and got DNA samples. Also there is not a big support group for polygamy views in Texas. And they didn't have to hunt for Jeffs like Utah did, we handed him over for trial. Glad he will have a hard time repeating his crimes.

  • durwood kirby South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 9:13 p.m.

    Warren's atomic defense should have wowed the jury. What were they thinking?

  • Cactus Moroni, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 9:02 p.m.

    Do I remember correctly? The trial took place at the Tom Green Courthouse in San Angelo, TX. Wasn't Tom Green the name of a polygamist from Juab County, UT, who was sent to prison?

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    Aug. 4, 2011 8:36 p.m.

    This is quite interesting to read all the stone throwing comments here. Yes he was found guilty of a really ugly crime. I'm glad justice will be served. I'm glad he won't be in a position to harm any more young girls.

    But there but for the grace of God go any of us. We may not be committing federal crimes, but would anyone want your life to be an open book? How would it feel to have tapes of your worst moments played in a public court? What if Jeffs in his most private and sincere heart of hearts believes he was doing the right thing? If that's the case I do feel sorry for him. He was truly deluded and that led him to where he is. at thin point he deserves, if nothing else, our compassion rather than our scorn. He's getting what he deserves by losing his freedom. Now leave him alone.

    Didn't Jesus say, "Go and sin no more"? We all should learn from this and go do something helpful for someone else rather than further beating up this poor misguided and deluded man. Truly. Are we positive we're any better than he is?

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 8:08 p.m.

    The guy got EXACTLY what he deserves. I hope the other FLDS child molesters and women abusers get the same.

  • Walt Nicholes Orem, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 7:45 p.m.

    I just wish he had put a deadline on God's vengeance on the judge and the others in court. THen we could scorn him again.

    I wonder how his disciples are taking this?

  • Laura M. Warburton Huntsville, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 7:25 p.m.

    Finally someone had the courage to stand up for the children. Maybe Utah will follow the example, at least I hope.

  • Truth and Light Chicago, Illinois
    Aug. 4, 2011 7:23 p.m.

    In another time and place, his actions may have been acceptable. But in the here and now, he's guilty and will do time. Too bad he didn't live 150+ years ago when he could have got away with it.

  • RichN Taylorsville, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 6:52 p.m.

    Jeffs chose his actions and his actions violated the law of the land; True religion complies with the laws of a nation. I agree with the comment on the Millstone. Plus all your threatening of the court system and God bringing judgment upon them, they will get their judgement for their own mistakes, as will you. Don't think being a self proclaimed prophet will excuse you from God's judgement. Right or wrong He will be the one to decide everyone's eternal fate.

    I feel the restoration will give you back exactly what you put out. I hope God can show as much mercy as He can, but He cannot deny justice when it has its claim.

  • Charlemagne Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 4, 2011 6:50 p.m.

    Freedom of religion does not mean freedom to break the law!It is particularly galling to see these self centered ego maniacs use religion to justify their own desires. Ultimately, Warren Jeffs is nothing more than a "housebroken" Bryan David Mitchell!

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Aug. 4, 2011 6:22 p.m.

    Karma.

  • Serenity Manti, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 6:20 p.m.

    Instead of protecting the young, he want to have sex with them if they are girls or ban them from the community if they are boys. Gee, he sure is doing the will of some god. Could it be himself?

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 6:08 p.m.

    I'm sure he will appeal based in ineffective defense counsel.

  • nottyou Riverton, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 5:58 p.m.

    To Pagan: Your comments involving George W. Bush have little to do with this article, but I can't let you get away with your false accusation. Google the WMD mass murders that Saddam Hussein committed. It is documented. You can see the pictures. He had WMDs and he had used them on his own people. There was no reason to conclude that he didn't still have those WMDs. Google it.

  • Everest American Fork, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 5:52 p.m.

    Queue the requisite comment about Joseph Smith. Then queue the response that Smith lived in the 1800s while Jeffs lives in 2011.

    I think we all know the polygamist history of Mormonism. It's all out there to read and evaluate. Connecting Warren Jeffs with Joseph Smith is like connecting Rod Blagojovich to Thomas Jefferson.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 5:50 p.m.

    I'll bet it was one of the quickest jury verdicts of all time. Judge,"Jury, you are now excused to deliberate." Jury leaves. Forman, "let's vote." Rest of Jury, "ok." Vote to convict. Forman, "we are through your honor may we come back?" Court re-convenes. Judge, "The forman will now read the verdict. Forman, "on all counts guilty." Judge, "thank you for your work. Jury is excused." Time lapse? About 10 minutes.

  • awsomeron1 Oahu, HI
    Aug. 4, 2011 5:45 p.m.

    Just Rape, nothing more, nothing less.

    I do not care what his belief system was/is what her did was just Rape.

    I am happy the Hoax call was made. (by the way it you respond to a Call, Arrest People and file charges and obtain convictions and put people in Jail in what we would be 23/7 lock down for life. what part of that is a Hoax)?

    Now years and Millions later Jeffs is going to Jail for a long long time in Texas. Hope is that Texas will keep him Locked Up Tight. No need to put him in Court any where else.

    You cannot Rape Kids in the name of Religion and claim you rights are being violated.

    I do not care if oyur Church Believes that Abuse of Females is not a Crime. It is a Crime.

    Good for the Great State of Texas.

  • Igualmente Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 4, 2011 5:40 p.m.

    Now several polygamous groups have denounced the actions of Jeffs in Salt Lake today, supporting the prosecution of child abuse....isn't polygamy child abuse? running kiddie mill with several sister wives...

  • Calif PETALUMA, CA
    Aug. 4, 2011 5:35 p.m.

    That was fast, is it correct, and what shall the sentence be?

  • Munk Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 5:25 p.m.

    Justice is served. My he get what is coming to him during the sentencing and in prison.

  • Not So Fast Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 4:59 p.m.

    Pagan's comments dragging politics and Iraq into this post are off topic.

  • IdahoGirl Pocatello, ID
    Aug. 4, 2011 4:51 p.m.

    I cannot comprehend how someone can justify raping a 12 & 15 year old girl & saying it was a spiritual experience for them.....Warren Jeffs is one sick man! How can 10,000 people be brainwashed by these perverts? Any religion that allows children to be molested & raped has major problems! Where are the mothers & women of these young girls? How in the world can they accept this type of behavior??? I think the women of these young girls should be arrested & have their day in court too! They are just as much to blame as the men.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Aug. 4, 2011 4:49 p.m.

    Okay my previous comment was denied so let me retry. JS had a wife that was 14 ... so .... who's wrong here?

  • LOL holladay, utah
    Aug. 4, 2011 4:49 p.m.

    Perhaps its time to conduct raids and round up the multitudes of those who are doing the same thing (and being ignored)right here in Utah.
    Before Romney or Huntsman gets elected and pardons them all.

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 4:33 p.m.

    Pagan, you stated:

    "I cannot stress it enough.

    A 12 year old. Girl."

    I couldn't agree more. Once I read "I cannot stress" I knew where you were going and I agree! I'll add one point though.

    A 12 year old (period) Girl (period) - Using RELIGION!? to have people think they need it to be saved, or whatever reason you gave them...

    It disturbs me to my very core.

  • Jim Mesa, Az
    Aug. 4, 2011 4:31 p.m.

    For those confused, the LDS church excommunicated the apostates that formed the FLDS church, many many many many years ago. All people are encouraged to read the Book of Mormon, irrespective of their religious beliefs.

  • MoJules Florissant, MO
    Aug. 4, 2011 4:28 p.m.

    Happy about that decision.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 4:19 p.m.

    nofitinSG,

    Do you want to tell us a third time?

  • cheffy chef Holladay, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 4:18 p.m.

    It is time to prosecute the women involved. We should all write our state representatives to let them know that we want everyone involved in abuse against children to be held accountable. No "religion" should have the freedom to molest children. I believe in freeom of religion but Warren Jeffs is not a religious leader. He is a common criminal.

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 4:13 p.m.

    @ Pagan

    Where are you coming from? President George W. Bush has nothing to do with the Warren Jeffs case. You are irrelevant, sir. Just for the record, everyone on both sides of the aisle agreed about the weapons issue.

    Warren Jeffs needs to be stamped on like the weazel and bedbug he is. His leadership and all the males in that organization practising his beliefs should be held accountable as well. This is a mess that needs to be cleaned up once and for all. I'm sure there are other groups out there that need to be handled as well. This is not about religious freedom. He's going to be taken care of in the penal system. He is a scumbag of the first order.

  • Butch70 Spokane, WA
    Aug. 4, 2011 3:58 p.m.

    The man had messed up and got caught. So he will pay his dues and good ridense.

  • David B. Cedar City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 3:58 p.m.

    Sooner or later poetic justice will be served. Any man that acts like this thinking he's holier than thou will get knocked down. No man has the right to do what he has been convicted of doing and gets away with it.Children are our most precious life that needs protection from creeps like Jeffs.I hope Jeffs likes the accomondations in Texas.The inmates will have a new playmate.

  • Peter Coyotl West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 3:57 p.m.

    @Johnny Triumph

    "I genuinly (sic)feel badly for this man. He's made terrible mistakes,"

    Child rape is a felony, it is never a mistake.

  • Peter Coyotl West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 3:55 p.m.

    If consenting adults want to engage in "spiritual" relationships with each other, I do not care. They need to leave the kids alone. Jeffs and some of his ilk are too out of control to leave the children alone. He belongs in prison for the rest of his life, as does anyone else in his cult who practices child rape under the guise of religion.

  • Furry1993 Somewhere in Utah, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 3:50 p.m.

    Good verdict -- justice was done. Now I hope he gets life in prison (no parole), and gets to serve it out in the general prison population.

  • Abeille West Haven, Utah
    Aug. 4, 2011 3:49 p.m.

    That didn't take long.

  • Abeille West Haven, Utah
    Aug. 4, 2011 3:42 p.m.

    Igualmente -

    That was a rather interesting line. I read it the same way as you did the first time - 'I am at peace.' However, that's not what he said. He said 'I am peace.' The difference, although only one word, is staggering. If the news article is correct, and Jeffs actually did say 'I am peace', he's equating himself with Christ.

    Here's hoping a swift verdict is returned and that the girls will get the counseling they need (which they probably won't).

  • BigRich Orem, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 3:19 p.m.

    Instead of predicting death and plague on the judge and those doing their duty, Jeffs should start thinking about what a millstone feels like. There was no mistake on his part, only sin and crimes that deserve the harshest punishment.

  • Vince the boonies, mexico
    Aug. 4, 2011 2:42 p.m.

    This verdict shouldn't take the jury more than an hour to find this rapist guilty!

  • Igualmente Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 4, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    The things said on the audio transcript show the inhumane debauchery of this man as he seeks to justify this child rape as some sort of religious rite.

    He entered an entire book of scripture as evidence for his cause. And his non-existent closing argument this morning to stand quiet for 30 minutes, only uttering a muffled "I am at peace".

    Send him away for 119 years. Don't mess with Texas.

    I'm afraid there will be no way to de-program all the helpless folks he has beguiled out on that ranch.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 2:23 p.m.

    @Johnny Triumph

    Really? You feel badly for Warren Jeffs? Really? I'm stunned.

    The man took at least one 15 year old and one 12 year old as wives. I guess he's just a poor victim, right?

    He's a pedophile who exercises unrighteous dominion over his subjects. He's as much a victim as Jim Jones.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 1:51 p.m.

    'He's made terrible mistakes, possibly propagated by his parents and their parents.' - Article

    I disagree.

    'The 55-year-old head of the Fundamentalist LDS Church is accused of assaulting two underage girls he had taken as so-called spiritual wives.' - Article

    This man is OVER 5 decades old! At what point is he supposed to take responsibility...

    ...for having sex with a 12 year old girl?


    I hate the phrase 'mistakes'. It implies forgivness. This is the part where a person might be found GUILTY. Forgiveness can come LATER. Not now.

    'Mistakes were made' - favorite phrase linked to George W. Bush.

    "The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons.' - George W. Bush - Ohio Speech 10/7/2002


    Result:

    *U.S. Military deaths in Iraq war at 4,473 AP Published by the DSNews 08/02/2011

    I cannot stress it enough.

    A 12 year old. Girl.

    If found guilty...?

    Throw the book at him.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 12:32 p.m.

    I genuinly feel badly for this man. He's made terrible mistakes, possibly propagated by his parents and their parents.

  • Ms Molli Bountiful, Utah
    Aug. 4, 2011 10:35 a.m.

    Its too bad that the State of Utah didn't do its job right the first time here. Now many people are going to be quite confused about his relationship with Mormons -- they are even reading from the Book of Mormon in this trial. Good luck on clearing up this confusion.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Aug. 4, 2011 10:28 a.m.

    More to come...
    The word is that the mothers of the victims are next to face judge and jury.
    Maybe it is time to find the grandmothers, as well.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Aug. 4, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    More to come...
    The word is that the mothers of the victims are next to face judge and jury.
    Maybe it is time to find the grandmothers, as well.

  • Ethel Home Town USA, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 9:03 a.m.

    There is no justifiable defense for his kind of behavior, in the least degree of allowance. He is wasting the courts valuable time and government's money. Religious freedoms. . . no way! Where were his victims and why did they not testify for the prosecution?