Utah Utes football: 5 things to look for in fall camp

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  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Aug. 3, 2011 6:14 p.m.

    Tomahawk Red

    "Y fans on here are making the most inane arguments..."

    kinda like Utah fans claiming that the nothing relevant in football happened before 2003, but 1998 and 1944 are like yesterday in basketball?

    The reason Heaps' final six games are relevant is because they're a good indication of what Jake can do when he's handed the full-time reins with a much more experienced team in the coming season.

    Wynn on the other hand, played worse in the final six games of his sophomore season, than he did in the final six games of his freshman season.

    Utah fans, if they were at all honest with themselves, would take Heaps over Wynn in a heartbeat, if they were given the opportunity.

    What you label as "inane" is just the reality that you're unwilling to accept.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 3, 2011 4:32 p.m.

    @tomahawk red

    And ute "fans" like yourself are trying to do the same thing the opposite way. Please come up with something non hypocritical or else just keep it to yourself.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 3, 2011 1:39 p.m.

    All the Y fans on here are making the most inane arguments.

    "22 of the last 39"... "12 of the last 14.5"... "Heaps' last 6 games only. We can't count his losses."

    It's ludicrous.

    This board ought to go into the how-to manual for spinning stats to fit your argument.

    And the lamest part is, you people are using these archaic numbers trying to justify why BYU will be better than Utah in 2011. Please.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 3, 2011 8:58 a.m.

    Classless Ute Fan

    "When was the last time that BYU had back to back top 15 seasons?"


    Utah has NEVER had back-to-back Top 15 finishes.

    Sounds like you need a little history lesson. The AP began publishing an annual Top 20 in 1936 and the Coaches poll has been published annually in 1950.

    Utah didn't appear in either final poll until 1964 when the Utes finished tied for 14th in the Coaches poll. (The AP only included the Top 10 from 1961 to 1967). The AP expanded to the Top 25 in 1989 and the Coaches followed suit in 1990.

    Utah was ranked in a final AP poll for the first time 1994 when the Utes finished 10th in the AP and 8th in the Coaches.

    That same year, BYU finished 18th in the AP and 10th in the Coaches.

    BYU has been ranked 17 times in both polls (4 times in the last five years).

    Utah has only been ranked 5 times in both polls in their entire history.

    Both teams have been competitive recently, but BYU has been a perennial Top 25 team since 1977; Utah, only since 2003.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 3, 2011 7:08 a.m.


    What potential did Wynn show against big teams like TCU and ND?

    Given he didn't play against BSU, so with that in mind, are you using high school stats to pad his potential?

    I too am ready for this preseason bluster to end and real football to begin.

    Glad the Utes will be on some TV. Not sure about away games?

  • Classless Ute Fan Magna, UT
    Aug. 3, 2011 1:03 a.m.


    When was the last time that BYU had back to back top 15 seasons? 1984.

    Since when did the top 15 become important? 15 seems very random. Isn't it the top 10 that really matters? And BYU hasn't been in the top 10 since 96.


    Apparently you need a little history lesson. Did you know that the AP has only had an annual top 25 since 1989? So, you claiming that Utah hasn't been in the top 25 before 1962 when they joined the WAC is a little factually incorrect. There really wasn't an annual top 25 to be in.

    You say that Utah was in the top 20 for the first time in 1964. Then you say that they weren't when you said that they've only been in the top 25 5 times? I'm assuming that the 5 times your were quoting was 94, 03, 04, 08, and 09. Consistency?

    Competitively, I think that Utah and BYU are fairly close in recent years with the edge going to Utah. However, if you want to compare overall histories, take the media out of it. Because honestly, the media involvement is a recent development.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Aug. 3, 2011 12:19 a.m.

    I marched in the U of U marching band in the 50's - we marched in a blizzard in War Memorial Stadium in Laramie - so cold our valves on our trumpets froze up. We sang "When the Saints Go Marching Out" under the stands in the BYU stadium during those same years. We nearly always beat the Y. I was a "bled red" fan. After serving a mission and doing graduate work at the Y, I became a BYU "true blue" fan also. Now I cheer for both teams, but when they play each other, I definitely cheer for the Y. Good luck, U of U, in the PAC-12. Good luck, BYU in your new road in independence. Hope both teams do well.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 2, 2011 8:32 p.m.

    @PAC man

    BYU has won 26 of the last 39...


    Edwards has retired and Chow is a Ute. Try using stats that are relevant today. I think 22 wins were by Edwards/Chow teams.

    I am ready for the season to begin, the USC game is big it will show how prepared KW has the Utes for the big leagues. Wynn looked bad end of last year but he also showed some great potential. I was more worried about the play calling by ARod... then enters Chow.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 8:22 p.m.


    Utes victory last year was luck and a given over a stupid decision by the play caller, who no longer is at BYU.

    Chew on this... Athlon ranks the Utes at #48, BYU at #34

    Pack your bags and get your reservations for Motel 6, Vegas is nice in December if you're LUCKY again. I doubt that 6-6 gets you there.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 2, 2011 6:40 p.m.


    "I think Utah will make a BIG LEAP into the national spotlight with this move to the Pac12. Just like Arizona State and Arizona did back in the late 1960's. Happy for the U."

    Arizona and Arizona State didn't jump to the PAC 10 until the late 70's, and neither has made much of a splash in the last 30 years. The Sun Devils have played in two Rose Bowls. The Wildcats are still looking for their first Rose Bowl.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 2, 2011 6:36 p.m.


    "I hope all Utes fans remember the 2008 sugar bowl fondly..."

    ah yes, Utah and her one-hit wonders.

    When was the last time the Utes had back-to-back Top 15 finishes or had back-to-back-to-back Top 25 finishes in both polls?

    Here's what one pre-season publication had to say about the Utes:

    Bottom Line [for Utah]: Probably a re-loading year, but theres still enough to get to 7-5. Better and brighter days ahead.

    Utah Rankings: #48 Athlon, #42 Lindys, #55 Phil Steele

    Frankly, 7-5, may be a little generous; I wouldn't be surprised to see the Utes at 6-6.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 6:28 p.m.


    Let me give you the only stat that matters.

    Actual wins head to head:
    Wynn 1 Heaps 0

    Also, I have never heard anyone say Henderson was as good as Jimmer. You're lying to yourself.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 5:59 p.m.

    Freshman (6 games): 109/172, 1340 yds, 63.4%, 14 TDs, 3 ints, 152.19 rating

    Freshman (6 games): 104/179, 1329 yds, 58.1%, 8 TDs, 4 ints, 130.75 rating
    Sophomore (10 games): 186/199, 2334 yds, 62.2%, 17 TDs, 10 ints, 139.75 rating

    As soon as Jake started getting starter's reps in practice and had a chance to develop a little rhythm with his receivers, Heaps significantly outperformed Wynn.

    Wynn was 86.91 at BYU as a Freshman and 103.93 as a Sophomore versus BYU.

    Heaps was 114.74 as a Freshman at Utah.

    Just as there were Utah fans who swore that Henderson was as good a Jimmer, there are still Utah fans who swear that Wynn is as good as Heaps.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 5:13 p.m.


    No he isn't. You just agree with him so you 'proclaim victory'. If you have to 'proclaim' your superiority then it doesn't exist in the real world.

    The truth is the rivalry is pretty close to dead even these days. That 21 total point lead he trumpets can disappear in one game. If it can change in one game then there is no domination.

    There is no doubt BYU has a more storied history, bigger name, and larger following than utah has, to try and pretend otherwise shows an inferiority complex of laughable size. forreal people has a major inferiority complex/little brother syndromw that is text book.

    But the season is just about here and we'll see how things stand this season. Enjoy it.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 4:49 p.m.

    Forreal people is absolutely dominating you BYU posters! The funny thing is every time one of you Ute haters post you prove Forreal's point.
    I hope all Utes fans remember the 2008 sugar bowl fondly but with that said I look forward to even bigger and better things and future accomplishments. How horrible would it be to be constantly obsessing about past accomplishments like a season almost 30 year years ago. Sound like anyone you know?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 4:23 p.m.

    It will be a ROSEy year.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 3:32 p.m.

    forreal people

    Meaningless history is leather helmet era football history when Utah wasn't playing anybody and BYU took football so casually that 30 of the first 40 games in the series were played at Utah because BYU didn't even have a football stadium.

    Give me an example of just ONE significant Utah accomplishment on a national scale prior to BYU and Utah joining the WAC in 1962.

    Two years after joining the WAC, Utah cracked the Top 20 for the first time in their history. At that point, Utah had won 20 conference championships; BYU 0.

    Since then:

    Top 25 Finishes (AP and Coaches)
    BYU 17
    Utah 5

    Conference Championships
    BYU 23
    Utah 6

    National Championships
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    The problem with Utah's "ancient history" is the Utes didn't do anything.

    BYU has been a perennial Top 25 team since 1977 (ranked 17 or 34 years)

    Utah has only been ranked 5 times in its entire history.

    BYU has almost as many Top 25 finishes IN THE LAST 5 years!

    U talk head-to-head and BCS, because U have NOTHING else to talk about.

  • flynn is the coolest Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 3:24 p.m.


    I hate arguing with mediocre minds, as they will resort to sidestepping logic, dodge facts, or changing the premise entirely. Lets stick to the argument you made that Utah is the dominant team, and forego the irrelevant (to the original argument) facts about other teams. I understand that Utah has won 2 more rivalry game over the past 20 years, and scored 21 more points. On this, Utah has the edge. Granted. My agrument is that statistically, they are equal (you obviously don't understand this principle, so don't pretend to- and ask someone who's smart), and that the average point differential is miniscule. The edge could change in BYU's favor in a year or two, but that doesn't change my argument. The teams are, and will be neck and neck for some time, and this is what makes the rivalry so thrilling.

  • forreal people Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 2:52 p.m.

    Pac man,

    I tried to be reasonable by discussing relevent stats. Last decade, Last 2 decades. You see, all that matters is the now, if we are arguing about the 2011 season.

    So you discussing the 70s and 80s could not be more meaningless.

    If you care about meaningless, ancient history, then why don't you care about utah absolutly dominating byu, with a uncompetative series record of 54-34.

    The fact that you pick two random decades, that represent niether relevant information (maybe the past decade or two), or the true history of the series shows that you are making a legitimate argument.

    To prove my point, I could have picked the part of the series that utah went 35-2 against the pathetic cougars, but i did'nt.

    Your stats are worthless, if this was 1988, then you would have a point whe referenceing the domenating byu era of the 70's and 80's, but it's not.

    Get over it little bro.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 2, 2011 2:33 p.m.

    forreal people

    BYU has won 26 of the last 39, including the largest margin of victory in the history of the BYU-Utah series, 56-6, and the only significant shutout in the last half century, 27-0.

    Of course, being shut out 27-0 is something Utah fans are very familiar with -- see UNLV, 2007.

  • Chris Bryant SLC, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 2:31 p.m.


    it was the "your" versus "you're" that i was getting at..

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 2, 2011 2:28 p.m.


    You're a funny man.

    Experienced Sophomore Wynn, surrounded by experienced, Senior running backs and receivers, BARELY beat true Freshman Heaps, surrounded by inexperienced, Freshmen and Sophomore running backs and receivers, by a single point, at home - and it took a botched fumble call, a lucky bounce of a punt, and an OC sitting on the ball after Heaps had moved BYU inside the 20, for Wynn to come away with a lucky win.

    This year a wounded Wynn won't be so lucky.



    Final ranking is the only ranking that counts.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 2:28 p.m.

    We may not have "depth" but what does that mean? I would take my chances in the MWC with our "depth" and end up 10-2 or 11-1. Depth was never an issue until we joined the Pac 12. We don't need "depth" for Montana, BYU, Colorado or Washington State. The "depth" has to do with stronger teams that are three deep that continue to rotate in and out so they are fresh. I believe Utah's depth to be better than 90% of the college football teams. It will improve over the next few years.

  • WestCoast1 Escondido, CA
    Aug. 2, 2011 2:21 p.m.


    You say "It's hard to believe you're counting Utah's win against Michigan as a win against a ranked opponent. Michigan finished 3 - 9. But it you want to count that among your highlights of the year, go for it."

    It's ironic that you'd choose the Utes game against Michigan to try to dis on them. Yet, if we go back to 1984, it's BYU who uses their 24-17 squeaker over a mediocre, unranked 6-6 Michigan team in a minor bowl game to try and claim a national championship.

  • forreal people Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 2:14 p.m.

    at coug fan in tx,

    I would never count michigan - they were unranked at years end and a loosing team. at teams ranking at the time you play them is absolutly meaningless, except if it is the final game both teams play, like a bowl game. The only stat that means anything is ranked teams at years end (otherwise the ranking was simply speculation)

    Utah beat 4 teams in the FINAL POLLS:

    TCU - top 7
    Alabama - top 5
    BYU-top 25
    Oregon state -top 25

    beating a loosing michagan team has no signifigance or credibility. no one cares. which is why a win in 1984 over a terrible, unranked, six loss michigan team, in a mid major bowl, to cap a season with no ranked wins, is nothing compared to the 2008 utah season- big wins, big opponants, second-to-none schedule, big bowl game, big bowl win.

  • Bo Jangles Meridian, ID
    Aug. 2, 2011 2:07 p.m.


    The 4 ranked teams from 2008 were:

    6 Alabama
    7 TCU
    18 Oregon State
    25 BYU

    Nobody is counting Michigan as a ranked team

  • forreal people Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 2:06 p.m.

    Deep blue,

    nice one. you say "not even close" and then go on to site stats that are fake, non-existant, irrelevant, and are not in the record books. lets just stick to facts please. the stuff that is in the record books.

    once you start chery picking games to include in stats and making all kinds of adjustments, you've lost the argument.

    i'm sure glad the book keepers don't try to add games here, and throw out games there, to come up with passer ratings.

    lets just compare reality to reality. heaps only started in six games? wow, even as a utah fan, i can call you on that one.

    i could go on and on pointing out your flawed, false, statemtents.

    i did not see you adjust winn's stats when comparing them to your adjusted heaps stats.

    e.g. "14 tds in six games vs. 17 touchdowns his entire sophmore season." did wynn start "the entire season?" No he did not. Thats why i leave the bs and twisting of facts out of it.

    in 2010 wynn lead the nations 23rd ranked offence, heaps lead the nations 70th. Ouch - the truth hurts.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    Chris Bryant;
    I know what you mean. I did a spell check first and it shows "tackeling" as incorrect. It actually did show "tackling" as the correct spelling. Doesn't look right to me either. Maybe I was so far off that neither is correct for what I'm saying.
    Good luck to both BYU and Utah this year. I think both have good QB's with enough skills to be difference makers this year.

  • Thlete Draper, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 2:03 p.m.

    "It's hard to believe you're counting Utah's win against Michigan as a win against a ranked opponent. Michigan finished 3 - 9. But it you want to count that among your highlights of the year, go for it."

    Well, it's 4 ranked opponents no matter how you choose to look at it. Whether ranked at the time Utes played them or in the final rankings. I think the final rankings is more indicative of the true strength. TCU, BYU, Oregon St and Bama all finished ranked. Michigan, TCU, BYU and Bama were all ranked at game time.

  • afro14 Sandy, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 1:48 p.m.

    @ ThecougfaninTX

    The five things I'll be looking for on Sep. 17.

    5) Jake Heaps crying after a heartbreaking thumping at the hands of Utah (a la John Beck 2004)

    4) After a close game, on 4th and 15 with 3 minutes left, Jordan Wynn will find Devonte Christopher with a 19-yard TD pass to go ahead and preserve the win. (Randy Gomez to Frank Henry, 1978)

    3) Jake Heaps commits 6 turnovers and the Utes cruise to a 48-24 win. (Max Hall, 2008)

    2) Jake Heaps looks to have a chance to win the game on a last minute drive, but is sacked and fumbles the ball, sealing a 34-31 Utah victory. (John Walsh, 1994)

    1) After driving to within field goal range, an otherwise easy game-winning field goal will be blocked with no time left, opening the floodgates for a Utah celebration on the field. (Mitch Payne to Brandon Burton, 2011)

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Aug. 2, 2011 1:46 p.m.

    re: forreal people
    "And Utahs 08 undefeated season came against 4 ranked opponents."

    It's hard to believe you're counting Utah's win against Michigan as a win against a ranked opponent. Michigan finished 3 - 9. But it you want to count that among your highlights of the year, go for it.

  • Chris Bryant SLC, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 1:38 p.m.


    please go away. we have had this discussion a billion times. there are other dick harmon articles that are worthy of your attention. please don't troll here. much appreciated.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 2, 2011 1:32 p.m.

    forreal people

    "Wynn beats heaps in all passing categories (even his freshman year):"

    Not even close. Compare Heaps final six games, when Jake was getting starter's reps in practice and was actually playing the entire game.

    Freshman 130 rating
    Sophomore 139 rating

    Freshman 152 rating

    Jake threw 14 TDs in his final six games.
    Wynn only threw 17 TDs during his ENTIRE Sophomore season.

  • forreal people Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    Regarding J Wynn: I was frustrated watching from the stands last year too. But people, give Jordan a fair shake. By that I mean consider his statistics and place among Utah QB's before trashing on him. He may have some major weaknesses, but he is one of the best QB's Utah has ever had. Look at the record books in this years Media Guide. His games against SDSU (2010) and Cal (2009) are some of the best passing performances of any QBs at Utah or BYU all time (take a deep breath people, I didnt say the best, I said some of the best).

    People down south love Heaps, and Wynn beats heaps in all passing categories (even his freshman year): passer ratings, completion percentages, total yards, yards per game, not to mention that he is also bigger and taller. From all measurable assets, Utah has one of the better QBs in the pac-12, and the better QB in the rivalry. You can disregard any arguments that Heaps is better. Just look up stats on espn. Heaps sure loses a lot more.

    Be happy with what you have.

  • forreal people Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 12:23 p.m.


    Saying that the teams are equal over the last 10, or 20 years, or saying that they are neck and neck, isnt true. Its like saying that victories do not matter, or like saying BYU beat Utah last year - when they did not.

    The truth is the truth. Utah won more games and scored more points in the rivalry series, was undefeated twice, won two BCS bowls against ranked opponents, had a 9 game bowl winning streak (tying USC for the second longest in NCAA history), and was invited to the Pac-12. That is not dominating compared to what the Y has accomplished in the same time frame? Wow. BYU has only been undefeated once in their entire history (with no wins against ranked teams!), Utah did it twice in the last (relevance..) decade. And Utahs 08 undefeated season came against 4 ranked opponents, tying Florida for the most of any FBS team that year.

    No, its not that close. Your argument starts out by assuming W/L record or points dont matter, so anything else you say can be disregarded.

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    Aug. 2, 2011 12:23 p.m.

    "You'd be hard pressed to find a guy with more experience and a better track record than what Coach Chow has." My guess is Coach Whit, whom I like a lot as a coach, is NOT referring to Chow's last 6 years of experience w/ the Titans or at UCLA and referring to his prior time at BYU & both USC's. Will he still be as "creative" as in the glory days of days gone by? I doubt it, but only time will tell!

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 12:05 p.m.

    Thanks, Texas Coug, for acknowledging--sort of--that Utah has won 5 of the last 8, two of which were blowouts.

    We were starting to think you just watched those KBYU-archived replays, where SDS wins every game.

  • flynn is the coolest Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    @forreal people

    "So the Facts prove that utah dominates..."

    Actually, you're telling me that there is a 21 point differential in 20 games? That's an average of 1.05 point margin of victory. That is not dominance that is an awesome rivalry!

    If you go by W/L over the past 20 years, BYU 9/11, Utah 11/9, the Mann Whitney U test gives a non-significant P value of .543. This suggests again that neither team has been dominant over the past 20 year.

    I'm sure you can convince other dupes to believe your assessment, but anyone with half a brain knows the teams are neck and neck.

  • flintrock Rigby, Id
    Aug. 2, 2011 11:54 a.m.

    BGL: So is Wynn your brother, son or cousin? Can we be truthful here. He really should be a d-3 QB. To small and puny. He dinged his shoulder in Spring ball two years ago when he feel down during the no hit scrimmage game. Should be a diver on the Chinese Olympic team not a D-1 QB.

    Best win so far... Cal in Poinsettia Bowl..That's who we thought we were getting
    Iowa State...who cares
    Pitt... they were terrible last year

    All bashing aside.... I hope he comes through and we have a great year. I would love for him to prove me wrong.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 11:48 a.m.

    I see a lot of great opportunities for some fine young athletes. If the coaches can get them ready (and I believe they will) and the players play to their full potential ( and I believe they will), the Utes will be just fine. We won't likely win every game, but we will be competitive in all of them and will win enough to prove we belong in the PAC-12. I'm excited for camp to start tomorrow and I'm excited for September 1st. See you at the games!!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Aug. 2, 2011 11:30 a.m.

    re: 2020
    "Hay CougFaninTX, way to go back and dig deep. I understand, you had to. BYU is only 4-6 in the last 10 games against the Utes, including the last one. Even the games you referenced are kind of amusing. Utah needed a blocked field goal last year, but typically Utah has just been dominating in wins over BYU, while BYU typically needs a miracle to beat the Utes."

    BYU has won 3 of the last 5 if you like current statistics. And you've only had two wins in the last 15 years that have been by more than a touchdown ('04 and '08). Is that your definition of "dominating in wins over BYU"?

    Since 1987 the series is tied at 12 - 12. Regardless of what any of us say, and the bantering that goes on between us - this has been a great series since the late '80s.

  • forreal people Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 11:21 a.m.

    I have to post some reality to the coug fan in tx: Utah has owned by all time and in all recent history. Here are the real facts:

    All time utah leads 54-34

    Last 20 years utah leads 11-9, outscoring BYU 508pts to 487pts

    Last 10 years utah leads 6-4 (ouch)outscoring BYU 259pts to 201pts (OUCH!)

    So the Facts prove that utah dominates - all time (if you care about ancient history), - over the last 20 years (if you care about reality), - and BIG TIME over the last 10 years (if you care about relevance - two undefeted seasons).

    I know it hurts.

    How old are all you BYU fans on this website? I often wonder where in the world Y fans would ever come up with the outragous clam that BYU owns Utah?

  • Thlete Draper, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 11:04 a.m.

    One big thing going for Jordan Wynn this year: he is 21 years old. That means a year more mature in decisions, stature, leadership. It's nice to have the opener a nice warm-up game since most opening games are the ugliest, riddled with penalties and miscues. Then the real opener is the next week at USC where our team gets to show everyone who they really are this year and show if they will be contenders in the PAC-12 or not.

    Can't wait!

    BTW, update for those asking is McGill is on campus (woohoo!) but Benji and Po'u are not and it isn't looking good for them.

  • AggieLuva South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 10:53 a.m.

    Jordan Wynn healthy or not, still has no heart, or spine. He got away with throwing the ball off his back foot running away in the MWC, but won't get away with it in the PAC. Norm has to figure out how to get the other 2 QB's ready ASAP. I think Norm will do very well coaching at Utah because K-Whit will let him do as he pleases on the play calls, unlike UCLA making him do what they wanted and not letting him have free reins to do what he wanted to do. Utah D is usually good no matter what, but I'm not so sure this year. Not having any clear cut corners, or safeties. Moving Blechin to LB is a mistake. He is the Troy Polamalu of college football and needs to be free to just make big plays. No clear cut receiving core either? OL? I hope they make it to .500 this year. I think this is the worst year for the Utes to join the Pac unfortunately with Wynn at the helm and no one to bail him out all the time. Good luck Utes!

  • bgl Santa Monica, CA
    Aug. 2, 2011 10:46 a.m.

    Flintrock--I don't think we have to worry about Jordan "running for cover." He's 11-4 as a starter and probably has more guts than your entire family put together. Tough kid who has dealt with a lot. He is a JR btw. You know, sometimes QB's begin to come alive in their Jr. year. It's called progressing as a player. Jordan could take the next step and become a premiere qb or the injury and inability to stay healthy might hamper him. But let's not take away from what this kid has accomplished in the past two years. Do you have any Poinsettia Trophies over your fireplace. I thought not.

  • Chris Bryant SLC, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 10:33 a.m.


    does your poster actually say "tackling.....your doing it wrong?" If so, I want to make a poster with a picture of your poster that says "Grammar....YOU'RE doing it wrong"

    lol, I know, I know, grammar smack is lame. Just know that you are one of my favorite BYU fans around here and I appreciate your posts. You, riverton coug, and Kyle loves BYU (who hasn't posted here in some time) are an example of how coug fans should be.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 10:04 a.m.

    Coug fan in Tx.
    Awesome post, and I understand your affinity for the 5 plays you mentioned. I still have a "tackling..your doing it wrong" poster. But, the TUN has about as many memories going the other way. I still don't like the numbers 34 and 31. Hope we get another BYU memory on 9-17.

    You saying anything about the "same old anything" is extremely hypocritical. You say the same 2 or 3 things on evey BYU article that is published.
    Please! take your own advice?

  • 2020 Herriman, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    Hay CougFaninTX, way to go back and dig deep. I understand, you had to. BYU is only 4-6 in the last 10 games against the Utes, including the last one. Even the games you referenced are kind of amusing. Utah needed a blocked field goal last year, but typically Utah has just been dominating in wins over BYU, while BYU typically needs a miracle to beat the Utes.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 9:34 a.m.

    Texas Coug:


  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 9:29 a.m.

    BYU will be an especially dangerous opponent on September 17. That is their bowl game; the pinnacle of their season. From there on out its down hill, with most fans looking forward to basketball season opening in October.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 9:29 a.m.

    I think Utah will make a BIG LEAP into the national spotlight with this move to the Pac12. Just like Arizona State and Arizona did back in the late 1960's. Happy for the U.

  • Chris Bryant SLC, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 9:27 a.m.


    not looking good on Benji or Po'u. At least, thats what has been reported.

    Too bad, both are NFL-talents. Hopefully, a miracle can happen. We could sure use them for depth purposes.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Aug. 2, 2011 9:26 a.m.

    "Although Whittingham declined to establish a timetable to sort things out on the depth chart, he acknowledged there's probably not enough carries for three running backs."

    Why not? BYU did it last year, and generally BYU relies much more on the pass than Utah does (although admittedly BYU was more run-heavy than usual this past season). If he wanted to, I'm sure Coach Wittingham could find a way to use all three in case they come out of fall camp with no clear-cut leader. There seems to be a healthy supply of good running backs in the state.

    I believe the Utes will go 8-4 and possibly 9-3 with losses coming from a combination of USC, BYU, OSU, ASU, Pitt, and maybe AZ. If Wynn does not get back to his game or is not healthy (probably the Utes' worst nightmare at this point), Utah will lose more than that.

    In a few years the Utes will likely be contenders every year (also depends on if other PAC teams step it up), and I hope they go undefeated 11-1 (losing on Sept. 17).

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 9:22 a.m.

    As a few above have referenced, this article misses likely the biggest issue facing the Utes -- Offensive line depth. If the spring game showed anything, it showed that the offensive line's depth is not stellar. If the Utes can stay healthy along the o-line, they will have a shot to be good -- 8-4? If they have injuries, it could be a very long year. It will also be interesting to see if the o-linemen recruited for a spread offense are able to adapt to the downhill running game and Chow's new schemes.

    The other thing the article leaves out is overall depth. If the Utes have a few weeks missing key players - there is no New Mexico game or Wyoming game to cushion the blow.

    CougFaninTX - why so fixated on the U? You know that the BYU game is Utah's 10th or 11th most important game this year right? Just another warm up pre-season game. The rivalry is fading, worry about Ole Miss and Texas first - plenty to think about there. I enjoy the cute names you have given to each of BYU's wins over Utah. Are those the titles you use in your scrapbook?

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Aug. 2, 2011 9:17 a.m.


    Totally agree.

    Dirk, going forward, try to stay away from these worn out stories

    1. Can Utah compete in the PAC12
    2. Can Wynn stay healthy
    3. Anything compairing a BCS program to a non AQ

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Aug. 2, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    The five things I'll be looking for on September 17.

    1. A wide open BYU TE going up the middle catching a perfectly thrown ball by Heaps while two Ute defenders collide with each other leading to a dramatic BYU TD. (i.e. 2009)

    2. A wide open BYU TE, on his knees, in the end zone catching a perfectly thrown ball from Heaps. (i.e 2006, The answered prayer)

    3. BYU going for it on 4th and 18. ESPN capturing it, for the entire nation, as cheers explode from LES. (i.e. 2007, Magic happens)

    4. With 1:16 remaining, Quezada taking a pitch from Heaps and busting his way up the sideline to pay dirt and a definitive BYU victory. (i.e. 2001)

    5. Or perhaps just a good ole fashioned thumping where BYU holds a 63-10 lead in the fourth quarter before sending in the 5th stringer to let U score a few points. (i.e. 1989)

    Too bad I could only include five, because I would have liked to include Lavelle's Last Miracle (i.e. 2000) and The Doink (i.e. 1998)

    I can't wait for the season to begin. Go Cougs!

  • Steve_Timmins LAS VEGAS, NV
    Aug. 2, 2011 9:03 a.m.


    Thanks for the article on the Utes. I try and appreciate all efforts in writing about the upcoming season. But having said that, I am SO tired of the above subject getting reworded over and over. We know that Wynn is coming back from injury, we know that Chow is going to implement a new scheme, we know that there are questions in the secondary...

    How about an article informing us of things we don't know. Is McGill on campus yet? What are the chances that we see Benji eligible?

    If this article felt easy to write, it's probably because you already have.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 8:53 a.m.

    Overall, Utah's good enough that if the answer to each of these questions is that the play / coaching in each of these areas is solid, they should be in contention for the top spot in the south division. In my opinion, the biggest question marks are: Will Wynn stay healthy and perform at his best level. He has been good when those around him are good enough to spread the pressure around. No other QB has not been in the Ute program for a season-no backup experience. Will the offensive personnel be able to execute Chow's offense with precision and timing. Chow's offenses have been successful with the right personnel in the past but they haven't looked very good in some cases either. Norm Chow was an innovator at BYU. He was on the cutting edge of a new offensive philosophy. Now his offensive style is used throughout D1 football and defenses are familiar with it. I don't think they will be bad. It remains to be seen if they are average or good.

  • LetsBeRational Spanish Fork, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 8:45 a.m.

    Good luck to Whit and the Utes. I hope BYU is the only loss they suffer this year. But lets be honest about the challenging week in, week out BCS schedule--Washington State, Colorado, Arizona State. It's true they may be better than Wyoming and New Mexico, but come on. Never-the-less, this tru-blue cougar is with you all the way, almost.

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 8:37 a.m.

    "Probably Whits worst recruit for QB at Utah"

    A little harsh, who did he recruit at QB that was better?

    As a starter Wynn is 11 and 4 with wins over Cal, Pit and Iowa state all BCS Schools. The utes have a 93% succuess rate in the redzone with Wynn at the helm.

    Poinsetta bowl MVP, his performance against Cal speaks for itself.

    I'm not one who beleives his problems at the end of last year we're completely injury related, but theres a reason Utah shelled our half a mill for an OC.

    Let's face it an injury that requires surgery on a throwing arm and a 6 month recovery is bound to have an affect on a QB's game.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Aug. 2, 2011 8:18 a.m.


    I agree with you about the Oline. ( it would be nice if the Dnews would update the status of Bengi??!?)

    CB is a biiiig question mark. Conroy Black has a lot to prove.

    It sounds like Utah has a legitimate shot at landing two Compton Cali CB athletes who could start next year.

    Alphonso Marsh 6'3 4.3 40
    Brando Beaver 6'1 4.3 40

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Aug. 2, 2011 8:00 a.m.

    It will be interesting to see if infact the Utes have a game changer at the wr position.

    Anthony Denham
    6'6 216
    4.4 40

    Offers from: Ark,LSU,GA,NEB,WA.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 7:53 a.m.

    Everyone worried about Jordan Wynn? No backup qb with experience. Which college programs have experienced backups? More worried about the offensive line. If the line can gel, Utah will be good. I know the defense will be solid. Our defensive line is strong and quick so there will always be pressure on the qb. Our linebackers are stud athletes.

  • Classless Ute Fan Magna, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 1:00 a.m.

    Will Jordan Wynn return to form?
    Yes, but don't try and stress it out too early.

    What about Norm Chow and the revamped offense?
    What about it? Norm is a successful coach. He knows how to win.

    Who will be the new starters in the secondary?
    This is a good question. Hopefully another Blechin appears.

    Who will top the depth chart at running back?
    What a great problem to have with 3 awesome backs. As much as I don't like to say it, maybe red shirting Langi might be the best thing to do. Give him a year in the program with the other 2 rock.

    Are the Utes equipped to play in a BCS conference?
    I don't think that there is a better team out there to join a BCS conference... well, maybe only Boise St. Cause TCU has already agreed to join the hapless Big lEast. What a dream for TCU, they get to annually go to a BCS game.

  • flintrock Rigby, Id
    Aug. 2, 2011 12:02 a.m.

    This season hangs on whether or not Wynn gets the job done or not. If he runs for cover we are done for. Probably Whits worst recruit for QB at Utah. I would love to be wrong but then Wynn would actually have to grow a spine and play like a man instead of a scared little boy with his head down and wondering why everything has gone so wrong. Come on Wynn its time to show your stuff.
    If Bird doesn't start at strong safety something is just plain fishy. He made way to many big plays last year to not get the call this year
    I can't wait to see how good our running game will be. Three different styles..... speed, hard nose running and brute punishing power. Should give the defenses a lot a different looks to think about.