Why Harvard may not help Mitt Romney catch votes

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  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    Aug. 1, 2011 11:26 p.m.

    People will vote their 401Ks and IRAs. And when they do, they will seek a Mitt, not a clueless candidate.
    It's all about the economy, this time around.

  • @Charles the greater outdoors, UT
    Aug. 1, 2011 7:56 p.m.


    Isn't it interesting to see all the Lefties tearing down the Tea Party because the Tea Party doesn't bow down to their diplomas.

    As we can see with Obama, a degree from one of the "elite" universities doesn't mean much. It appears that the Lefties don't quite understand the fundamental principle yet....just because you gain a degree from some Ivy League university doesn't mean you are smart, intelligent or have common sense.

    If one notices, it's only those who have degrees from those schools that place so much importance on those schools. Hence you are tagged with the "elitist" tag and you should wear it proudly.

    The irony is that it is all of you elitists with your Ivy League degrees that have gotten us in the mess we are in --- and many of you want to continue the same policies. I believe that's the definition of insanity.

    You are no different that the Evangelicals, Catholics, etc who want to tag Mormons with the word "cult". You exclude those who aren't like you and say they are all inferior.

    Well, America rejects your insanity. We want people who actually have experience and intelligence. Dems need not apply!

  • standfortruth MARAMEC, OK
    Aug. 1, 2011 6:57 p.m.

    To the comment about MA being 47th in job creation: In other words, according to congressional statute and the OECD, the state of Massachusetts was at or very near full employment during Governor Romneys four years in office a goal that the federal government has never even come close to accomplishing in the 65 years since the Full Employment Act of 1946 was made law.

    Find the thoughtful article at America Needs Mitt dated July 29 for those interested in some critical thinking rather than repeating a driveby headline.

  • desert dweller SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Aug. 1, 2011 6:15 p.m.

    well atleast Romney knows the differane between NH and MA and he can actually find them both on the map which is a lot more than I can say for Bachman beleive me I wouldnt vote for Bachman I doubt that she even knows where the white house is let alone find her way there. I doubt that she would even know when the war if 1812 started. I wouldnt vote for Romney either

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Aug. 1, 2011 12:15 p.m.

    A not so subtle change in re-Publican messaging.

    Sarah Palin, Christine O'Donnell, and Sharon Angle were the face of the TP Wing of the re-Publican Party. A poster-girl trio of fervent anti-intellectual politicos.

    What to do now that Mitt (a poster-boy for intellectual/elitism) is leading the polls?

    Change the messaging.

    What about Michelle Bachmann?

    The re-Publicans will not make the same "Sarah Palin" mistake they made in 2008.

    Intellectual/elitism (albeit the dumbed down version) will reemerge as a vital part of the politico resume as we go forward.

    What about "Joe The Plumber"?

    See change in messaging.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Aug. 1, 2011 11:51 a.m.

    57 states, corpsman and don't call my bluff. o without question has intellectual superiority to W.

  • DougB Spanish Fork, UT
    Aug. 1, 2011 11:49 a.m.

    OK, honestly, this is about the dumbest slander I have seen. The 'Tea Party' movement is a fractious movement with many different factions, but I have not seen any alleged leaders associated with any stripe of the 'Tea Party' say anything anti-Ivy-league like this . . . not quite sure how Rozell's apparently unsupported straw-man arguments constitute news here.

    I'm not a huge Romney fan because -- among other things -- he hasn't proposed anything brave or wise on holding the debt ceiling or bringing our volunteer defense forces back from their decade of extended war. But if he ends up on the ballot, I have nothing against his degrees from good schools that would influence me to vote against him. I haven't heard of anybody besides this Rozell guy who thinks anybody else would either. I'd be interested in the behind-the-scenes that made this news. Did he publish a big paper today? Is he on the talk-show-circuit? Maybe I missed that part of the article, but it seemed an important fact to include.

  • bgl Santa Monica, CA
    Aug. 1, 2011 11:24 a.m.

    Hellooo says--Another article trying to paint the conservatives as least than sophisticated, anti-education morons. This shows where the real disdain is coming from the supposed elites to the grass roots. Who they expect to just look at their degrees, not their ideas or accomplishments, and fall in line to the chosen few.

    These two sentences were written by a person who feels that conservatives should not be regarded as anti-intellectual.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Aug. 1, 2011 11:03 a.m.

    I'm not sure which is more telling of people's ignorance and bias against smart people - those in the Tea Party who don't value an Ivy League diploma, or the the Utahn's who don't understand the high academic hurdle (ie. high GPA, ACT) to get into BYU.

    Interesting how everything in the Wasatch Front devolves into a discussion on BYU vs. Utah.

  • coltakashi Richland, WA
    Aug. 1, 2011 10:51 a.m.

    At best the notion that the Tea Party supporters and other conservative populists would resent a candidate of intelligence with a brand name education is only an hypothesis like one might hear at the faculty club between rounds of golf, not even a theory fleshed out by specific evidence such as a survey of registered voters.

    G.W. Bush had a BA from Yale and an MBA from Harvard. Obviously there was cognitive dissonance among voters because his spoken gaffes did not seem to reflect that level of education.

    Knowing that the Lexington and Concord involved in the beginning of the Revolutionary War are in Massachusetts is something one should learn in elementary school, not college. The fact that Bachmann could say what she did in a prepared speech means that nobody in her campaign staff recognized the error either. Understanding the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, and the intent of the Founding Fathers, means understanding the Revolution as well. If she did any reading of history on her own, the facts would be embedded in her memory.

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Aug. 1, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    "This headline is a classic case of ascribing negative conotations to someone"

    Did the DN do this to promote their far left, liberal agenda? Gotta watch out for that "lame stream" media.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Aug. 1, 2011 10:44 a.m.

    To Irony Guy: I would think that the only people who worry that Mitt's batchelor's degree was from BYU, are those who do not like BYU. BYU is one of the few universities where you can receive a balanced all around education. Their undergraduate programs are rated very good and their graduate programs are rated even better. The one thing that people should be excited about BYU, is their rating as the #1 cold sober university in the nation. That says a lot. But you nay-sayers, go ahead and criticize me - I don't care one iota!

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2011 10:21 a.m.

    Another article trying to paint the conservatives as least than sophisticated, anti-education morons. This shows where the real disdain is coming from the supposed elites to the grass roots. Who they expect to just look at their degrees, not their ideas or accomplishments, and fall in line to the chosen few. Thank goodness, most have the good sense not to accept this as a criteria for leadership or merit enough to be the President. Unfortunately, the electorate was not so wise in the last Presidential election.

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    Aug. 1, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    ER in EUR: Well, the last two "smarty pants" -- grads of Yale & Columbia -- have spent our country into the deepest abyss of debt that we've ever seen. Their intelligence has not served our financial well-being at all.

    Perhaps the theory is that if we get someone who has actually had to run a household -- and stay in budget -- and/or someone who has at least a tidbit of common sense it would benefit the nation more than the supposed intelligensia has.

  • gogogoff Orem, UT
    Aug. 1, 2011 10:03 a.m.

    Nice try to slander, but the TEA is NOT anti educated, they on avg have the highest % of degree holders, of any party.

    The TEA is anti Elitist, NOT anti Educated.

  • ER in EUR Belgrade, Serbia
    Aug. 1, 2011 9:34 a.m.

    So let me get this straight. If you are un-informed & undereducated then you will appeal to more Tea Partiers? Yeah, we don't want any smarty-pants running our country, do we?

    You know what is funny? Whenever I think of Sarah Palin, I always see Tina Fey instead of SP. I think that is because TF highlights the things about SP and M. Bachmann that really scare me. Things like the gaffe used at the beginning of this article that illustrates the ignorance of some...some... Tea Party candidates. But definitely Bachmann and Palin.

    Do we want someone who might not know much about world history, maybe light on international politics and definitely short on economic theory? No, I didn't think so.

    Do we want someone who has run an executive office (I know, Palin, for a few months and then maybe under investigation) but has really worked with money, who understands economics. I am not saying we have to elect Romney, but geez, someone who has a brain in their head.

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    Aug. 1, 2011 8:50 a.m.

    Timp: I grew up in Minnesota. Comparing BYU to Winona State is kind of like comparing Canada's economy to French Guiana's -- there really is nothing to compare. I'm not saying that Bachman couldn't get a good education at WSU, but the likelihood is significantly reduced -- especially since there is so much more partying going on there as compared to the Y.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2011 8:48 a.m.

    It's not the Harvard part of Mitt's education that worries people. It's the BYU part.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Aug. 1, 2011 8:48 a.m.

    ECR:So apparently the Tea Party would rather have a president - according to the article - who doesn't have a clue about the details of our nation's history rather than someone who has worked hard to achieve academic excellence. They would rather pontificate about the Constitution on the editorial pages of the DN rather than listen top someone who has studied, and even mastered it. Heaven help us.

    Apparently it isn't just the tea party. o got elected and he hasn't a clue. You're right, heaven help us.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2011 8:32 a.m.

    Mitt Romney on Job creation:
    From 2003-2007 job growth....0.9%.
    In rankings with the rest of the country...MA was 47th in Job creation when Mitt Romney was there.
    - Think Progress Travis Waldron 06/02/11

  • CougarKeith Roy, UT
    Aug. 1, 2011 8:15 a.m.

    Fact: Jon Huntsman Jr. Is NOT a Legitamate candadate, I don't know why the Deseret News gives him so much coverage, he is a "Nowhere Man" in this coming election! Also why would a "Harvard Degree" hurt a man like Romney? He isn't a typical Democratic Liberal, he is a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN! You see, the main stream media is going to try and destroy him at every turn. Not right, not fair, Obama is still the main stream media's guy? I just don't get it?

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Aug. 1, 2011 8:12 a.m.

    The initial direction of the Tea Party was good in the fact it was demonstrating a new approach to our vast Federal government was required. A new direction or course change was important.

    However, the Tea Party has now become too extreme in its direction. Extremism creates a problem within itself. The correct direction is usually found somewhere between both excessive ideologies.

    It is evident that Senator Hatch follows the tide. A gentlemen, who in the past, tried to keep paths somewhere in the middle, but was quoted this morning he would not vote for the latest compromise between parties concerning our national debt. He is now a staunch Tea Party follower. This shift demonstrates Senator Hatch is concerned more about his own political career than the direction of the country.

    I, for one, will not vote for him or Senator Lee when he is up again.

    Just for your suspicions, I am a Republican.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Aug. 1, 2011 8:05 a.m.

    Last I heard, and what this article does not point out (how typical) is that Mitt Romney's undergraduate degree came from that little school in Provo named BYU. Not Harvard. His graduate degrees (Masters in Business and a Law Degree) came from Harvard. Of course the article is skewed toward a potential bias about a degree from an Ivy League school. Mr. Boyd did mention Mitt went to Stanford, but failed to mention that it was before his mission and he went to the Y after.

    The writer of this article is shading the truth by leaving something out. Every other president and candidate (except Huntsman) mentioned in the article got their Batchelors from the college or university mentioned. The writer didn't say anything about their graduate degrees, if any of them earned them.

    A more accurate article that gives all the informatinon would be appreciated next time. Not this article that has an obvious bias and an apparent agenda. This is not news.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2011 7:23 a.m.

    After the tea party threw out the tea they left the Boston area. Romney does need to "dumb down" considerably to get on board the right wing angry express.

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Aug. 1, 2011 7:14 a.m.

    While I agree that past Ivy league presidents have not served the country well, I would doubt that it is BECAUSE of their education.

    Current T party and right wing GOP seem to disdain education, as if that is the problem.

    That speaks volumes.

  • Timp South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 1, 2011 7:06 a.m.

    If you're comparing undergraduate educations, like you did w/ Bachman, then Mitt graduated from BYU right??

    Hardly an Ivy League education there--

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Aug. 1, 2011 5:24 a.m.

    "...in the current Tea Party climate of the GOP fancy diplomas could actually hurt a republican candidate's chances of winning the nomination."

    This statement was not in ther article but was part of the headline on the cover sheet. I think it is most telling that Tea Party loyalists are fearful (now let's be honest) about anyone with a "fancy diploma." Unfortunately this attitude is prevelant in parts of corporate America and in the highest ranks of our government. Heaven forbid that I would ever promote or support anyone who I perceive to be smarter or more talented than I. Many or most top leaders are often looking for nothing more than "yes men" as part of their organizations. Such an attitude is not only counter productive but it can be dangerous.

    So apparently the Tea Party would rather have a president - according to the article - who doesn't have a clue about the details of our nation's history rather than someone who has worked hard to achieve academic excellence. They would rather pontificate about the Constitution on the editorial pages of the DN rather than listen top someone who has studied, and even mastered it. Heaven help us.

  • standfortruth MARAMEC, OK
    Aug. 1, 2011 5:12 a.m.

    I'm not an Ivy league grad, nor is my spouse but I certainly would not "hold" such a degree against a potential POTUS. The fact that Romney received 2 advanced degrees simultaneously, and with excellent standings, shows not only intellect but discipline and responsibility. How is that held against someone?

    Romney's independent job success (independent from his father's business) as well as his education and economic turnaround (large MA budget deficit to sizeable positive balance in a very liberal state) qualify him, IMO, to be our best hope for the change of direction our country desperately needs.