How do you approve, or disapprove of something that is, or is not there. Are you
not just approving or disapporoving of your own guesses.
First I give 100% approval rating -- made up of awe and wonder at that which I
perceive and understand, and the benefit of the doubt for the rest. Second, He
doesn't care -- that is He won't be swayed by numbers or approval. He loves us
and knowing us He provides all we REALLY need whether we know or not, agree or
not. And third, as cute as this is, it is inappropriate -- silly at best.
I am much more concerned with God's approval rating of men than men's approval
rating of God.
Poll is flawed because it is based on false premise, that God will prevent all
challenges to us here in mortality. God can prevent all sadness and misery but
he won't because we are here on earth to be tested, to see if we will keep his
commandments of our own free will. The fatally conceited left always look for
the easy answer, like God preventing tragedy and disaster. Sorry folks, that's
not the purpose of this life.
Dear God,The "plan of salvation" is quite a test, but
because of this so called "faith" principle I am giving you an F. If you do exist, I apologize for the low grading. I have tried
contacting you, but you do not respond. Good luck to you in the
Stupid polls like this contain all sorts of silly assumptions. God does not
promise (at least not in the Bible) that he is going to protect us from bad
weather, drought, plague, storms, tornadoes, hurricanes, hail, earthquakes,
fires or tsunamis. The rain falls on the just and the unjust. We fare better
if we have built our foundation on the rock of Christ rather than the shifting
sand of men's philosophies. God is NOT our janitor. The world we
live in is a FALLEN world, one of chaos and rebellion against God. It will not
be redeemed or changed until Christ's Second Coming to the earth in glory.
Until then, we should remember that God is grading US, not the other way around.
Whoops, misread the headline and thought this was God's poll of his opinion
about our performance.
What saddens me most is seeing people (with, supposedly, a functioning brain)
who think politics is A) (If of the other party) responsible for the problems of
society, or B) (if of one's own party) God's Will Incarnate.Somehow,
I suspect the Good Lord shakes his head any time one of his children invokes
politics over ANY human problem, as though one party or the other would make a
difference in the end. No party is Blessed of God; no party is Condemned by
God. The General Authorities have said that BOTH parties espouse (in some
manner) the principles OF God. If you are taken by politics, see your
doctor--help IS available.
@MetamoracougI can certainly appreciate your points of those who
abuse welfare and have feelings of entitlement. I do think there has to be more
reform in welfare to ensure the program is not abused. Some people use this
point as justification to scrap the whole program, but I think government has a
role to set up a safety net to help its citizens that through no fault of their
own who fall into poverty, unemployment, poor health. I would argue that those
who benefit from welfare according to its original intent are far more the case
than the abusers of these programs.I also think that there are some
people who are born into dire circumstances who face impossible odds and need
help. I think a works program like Roosevelt implemented would help people at
risk and also help society as they work a project to improve the community--not
too different than church welfare.I think that the Savior would be
more concerned with the corruption of the government (lobbyists and bankers
controlling government--both parties are involved) and how those with many
resources are running the government to benefit them while the masses are
RE: Wildcat Social Justice is an evil doctrine, all about forcibly
taking from one and giving to another.NOthing at all like the
gospel. "rnder unot Ceasar..." was a question about paying
tazes to rome, again NOTHING to do with "social
justice"All those program sare about private donation, private
charity, which requires the reciever to do someting, and is only given to those
deemed in need of it, by a bishop,nothing is forcibly taken from
another in the name of forcing social equality.Social Justice is
anathema to the true Gospel of Christ, we are not equal in talents,
skills, education, work ethic, etc, and you can not forcibly guaranteee equality
of outcome.I believe this poll is base on the ignorance people, and
the failure to understand free agancy.
Wildcat: some excellent, well-thought out points. Thank you for presenting your
thoughts in true civil discourse. I entirely agree with the first paragraph of
your 5:38 post.I also agree that Christ would support government
assisting those in need -- though again I think he would prefer the assistance
to come from the voluntary donations of others -- rich or poor, according to
their ability. I disagree that King Benjamin is an example of this action. His
was an individual choice by a leader who had an eternal perspective. Likewise,
I disagree with your associating the Tea Party specifically with the Kingmen,
because I think the course of action of the President and his associates is just
as destructive of our nation and our freedoms.Ultimately, there are
two problems I have with our present government that I don't think the Savior
would approve of: 1)it encourages us to become a welfare state and not be
self-reliant; 2)it is spending 40 cents on every dollar of revenue to pay the
loans that we have -- not an efficient or effect means of helping the poor and
needy among us.
@KMThe scriptures, for example, discredit an ancient philosophy that
has come back into vogue in our daythe philosophy of Korihor that there are no
absolute moral standards, that every man prosper[s] according to his genius, and
that every man conquer[s] according to his strength; and whatsoever a man [does
is] no crime and that when a man [is] dead, that [is] the end thereofThey have imagined a Jesus who wants people to work for social justice but who
makes no demands upon their personal life and behavior. (Todd Christofferson
April 2010 conference)I believe the above reference points out that
the LDS church does believe that Christ's Ministry was about social justice.
Jesus also said, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's." This along
with the 12th article of faith encourages supporting government and how it
chooses to support its citizens through its elected representatives.I would also submit to you that the church has a strong stance toward social
justice: perpetual education fund, storehouses, welfare program, its
compassionate stance toward illegal immigration, etc. President Monson's
helping those hands that hang down. It is my belief social justice is a
cornerstone of the church.
This just in: "God's approval of us in single digits"
I know prayers are answered. Sometimes it takes time. Mine have been. My life
has been very blessed. People want instant gratification. In a fast paced world
everybody wants it now. If they dont get it they become angry and bitter.I
have gotten upset a few times with God myself. Not because he is not perfect but
because I am not perfect. I know he is perfect and merciful. I fell almost 100
feet of a mountain and survived. I did not have a scratch. I have overcome
trials I never thought possible and have seen mountains move.Do not be
angry and do not be bitter. Be patient. Get on your knees and pray.Ask for
a change of heart. Ask for charity. You will have it. And you will find your
@metamoracoug:Let me very respectively disagree with you. Christ
was basically warning the rich man of greed. He was pointing out the being rich
on earth means nothing to an eternal perspective. A rich man entering heaven is
harder than a camel entering the eye of the needle points out that many who gain
great wealth lose their eternal focus and only look to gain more wealth instead
of use their power to help those less fortunate.I believe Christ
would support government helping those less fortunate, King Benjamin serving his
people is a great example of this. The Kingmen vs. Freemen is a great example
of a government that served it's people being attacked by those who wanted a
King to rule (who would favor those special few and oppress the masses). There
is a big parallel to Kingmen and the Tea Party of today. The Kingmen basically
fought for the destruction of the government and didn't care it would hurt
everyone involved as long as they got their way, eerily similar to the Tea Party
with the debt ceiling, I think. As for re-distribution of wealth, you are
right, no more money to the rich.
@KMSocial justice was advocated in the scriptures and those direct
words have been used by apostles in conference talks. The scriptures tell of
Jesus saying "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's." I think that is
advocating supporting a government. 12th article of faith tells of supporting
government as well. When Jesus asked the rich man to give all his riches away
and come follow him...he didn't mean put it in a offshore holding account to
avoid taxes so it would be there for him later. Jesus pointing out the poor
woman giving more than the pharisees. He believed in directly helping those
less fortunate. When you are in the service of your fellow being,
you are only in the service of your God. The Book of Mormon tells of King
Benjamin out serving his people (compared with the masses being robbed to give
more to the few now). President Monson tells of helping those whose hands hang
low. The church having perpetual education funds, storehouses, fast offerings,
etc.The church's compassionate stance on illegal immigrants. The
thoughts of there but the grace of God go I. I think the cornerstone of the
church is social justice.
@KM, MetamoracougDouble standards and hypocrisy seem to be a
conservative trait: Attempt to deny equal rights to others based in the notion
that the U.S. is a Christian nation. However, when affects their pocket we
become secular :) If we are Christians and this is a Representative
Democracy, perhaps we should follow Christ and make our nation as Christ would
want. Matthew 25:34-40Acts 4 : 34-35Perophet IsaiahJoseph Smith and the United OrderOf course, you are free to
rationalize as much as you want. After all we have and always should protect our
Free Agency for you and others. Who can protect our Free Agency?
The Church? I don't think so. The government is the institution in
charged of protecting our freedom. How? Education, defense, health
and nutrition, affordable housing. These are basic needs that all human beings
must have to be "really" free.If you want more than that,
you are welcome to work for it. But we should give something back to society for
everybody to have their basic needs met.Is this socialism?
Perhaps.... But I rather call it common sense. Less crime and a brighter future
for our society.
I wont even begin to respomd to an article such as this. come on DN you have
nothing more serious to print? with all that is going on in the world and all
that needs to be reported on all you could come up with was this article ?
atl134Private insurance is far different from Government run
healthcare. Government forces you to pay into it, if not, just like taxes, the
IRS comes and takes away something--maybe even you.Private insurance
is your own pick. You are not forced into paying for it. You choose to pay for
it. As for your comments about Christ, you cannot point out to me
where it says that Christ forced people to give anything to the poor. That was
Satan's plan--By force. Christ is all about agency and free will. If I
want to give, that's up to me, if I want to be greedy that's up to me as well.
Christ will decide in the end if I did well with my money or not, and he will
determine if I am fit to enter into his Kingdom. He will never force me like
government does.On a side note, We are about the same age I'm
guessing if you are still on your parents insurance. It's good to see someone
else be involved when so much of our generation is just too occupied with cell
phones and X-boxes.
atl134: Christ's command to the rich man was an individual response to one
person's query. Furthermore, you forgot the most important part which was
Christ's invitation to "follow me." All of us should willingly give
what we are able to help the poor and needy. The government, however, should
play a nominal roll in accomplishing that task. The righteous in
4th Nephi were not "taxed" by their government, but willing donated
(read: individually decided) to the church. You will also note in the Book of
Mormon that those kings who heavily taxed their people were always
"wicked." And it was those kings -- like Benjamin and the Mosiahs --
who worked with their own hands so the burden on the people (whether rich or
poor) would be light who were designated "righteous."
I think it very unwise to worry about our approval of God. What is so much more
important is what HE thinks of US. It's presumptuous to think about judging Him
when it is US who has to live up to the standard HE has set if we want His
@KM"I don't remmember ever reading about Him teaching about how
we should give our money to the govnerment to be redistribtuted by dirty
politicians to those who would, in turn, vote for them. "He
told the rich man to give up all he had. Since you conservatives seem to be keen
on instituting Christ's values by banning same sex marriage, it would seem then
that other values endorsed by Christ should be enshrined into government.
Besides, 4th Nephi clearly describes a nation that frankly is farther to the
left than I want.@Hawkyo"No country in Europe has 300
million people either."Why does that matter? Heck if anything
it's a benefit since having more people in an insurance system allows such a
system to spread risk around better.We spend 15% of GDP on
healthcare. Western Europe spends about 8-12%. We have a budget crisis and a
crappy healthcare system. It's win-win to shift to a European style system. Also
@metamoracoug"I would put a huge sum of money on the fact that
your Obamacare insurance paid 90% of what they "allow" and that amount
is certainly less than 33% of the actual charged fees for your surgery.
"They allowed about 2/3 of what the charged fees were. That
reduction and what they paid on what was left was 90% of what the hospital
charged for the surgery.@KM"Once the system is
overwhelmed (cloward and piven), You and I will be recieving little to nothing
in assistance from a benevolent government. "European systems
do not suggest this is the inevitable result.@TOO"Have
you ever been to Europe or South America with Government Run healthcare? how can
you possibly accept it? The hospitals are run down in S. America. "My father had surgery in Germany. He considers it the best healthcare
he's ever gotten by far. South America? Let's stick to comparing
fully industrialized nations shall we? "Why should I pay for
your surgery when I have to pay my own bills?"You seem to not
understand how insurance works. If I used private insurance then that means
everyone with that insurance is paying for it.
The only reason Obama doesn't walk on water is that he doesn't line to get his
'Pagan, well we won't have to worry about profit anymore after Obama allows our
AAA rating to be downgraded will we.' - patriot | 2:40 p.m. July 28, 2011 Because Obama, is the one bailing on budget talks...?
*'Republicans bail on budget talks, blame Democrats' - By David Espo - AP -
Published by DSNews - 06/23/11 Or vote 'no' on 139 peices of
legislation: 'When Democrats reclaimed the Senate majority in the
2006 midterm elections, cloture filings shot up from 68 in 2005-2006 (From Dems)
to a record 139 in 2007-2008.' (From Republicans) *'The Rise Of Cloture:
How GOP Filibuster Threats Have Changed The Senate' - Ben Frumin and Jason Reif
- Talking Points Memo - 01/27/10 Obama put Medicare and Social
Security on the table. Republicans just keep voting 'no' on
everything. Why are you blaming Obama for the Republican voting
record? Like others blame him for: TARP Wall
Street Bailouts The Patriot Act TSA & No child left
behind All, signed into law by Republican president, Geroge W. Bush.
re:Paganwell we won't have to worry about profit anymore after Obama
allows our AAA rating to be downgraded will we.
atl134No country in Europe has 300 million people either. Not to mention
the untold number of illegals that are a drain on the healthcare system. Masses
of humanity are not flocking to European countries on the same level as they are
to the US either. And for the record, there are dozens of stories about
Europeans with real money coming to the US for healthcare that works, not gov
run bureaucracy "healthcare" Hospitals are already bad enough. I don't
want them running like the post office!
baccus0902"Jesus taught social justice." WHAT! You have
got to be kidding? I don't remmember ever reading about Him teaching about how
we should give our money to the govnerment to be redistribtuted by dirty
politicians to those who would, in turn, vote for them.
Dear Patriot;As a proud and hopefully always developing liberal. I
have to tell you that President Obama is only a human being with a lot of
limitations, faults and I'm sure many good qualities as well. But, he is only
the President of the Unites State, nothing else.On the other hand,
As a liberal, well, I adore, revere, and try to follow the example of Jesus. Who
was persecuted for claiming to be the Son of God, for opposing the clerical
establishment, for respecting the right of women, for socializing with
'sinners'. Jesus, who preached social justice. Jesus, who taught us that we
cannot serve Mammon and God and the same time. Jesus, who taught us that all
people are our brothers and sisters. The one who taught us not to judge others.
The one who put as a standard to take care of others and treat others as we
would treat Him.As a Christian and therefore, as a Liberal. I have
to tell you: Jesus is the one to follow.
atl134Have you ever been to Europe or South America with Government
Run healthcare? If you have, how can you possibly accept it? The hospitals are
run down in S. America. The Doctors don't care because they get paid the same
whether they work or not, and the people suffer for it. People go to the doctor
for the littlest thing, which causes huge lines and long waiting periods because
it's paid for and they don't have to worry about it. My sister is
the head nurse in ICU in on of the Hospitals here in Utah. They started laying
off nurses because the Government owes them more than 10 million dollars from
medicare. That's your Government at work. They lay off more people and hurt
more people in the name of their Utopian society where I have to pay for not
only my family, but your family as well. Why should I pay for your
surgery when I have to pay my own bills? By the way, you are welcome.
From "God's approval rating 52%" to liberals and conservatives and
then on to healthcare? A little one-tracked are we?They
did a little poll 2000 years ago and God came up wanting as well. I
guess little has changed.
art134Once the system is overwhelmed (cloward and piven), You and I
will be recieving little to nothing in assistance from a benevolent government.
The debate that we are having, as we speak, is a debate about how the government
cannot afford the spending it already has. Add more on top of it and, presto,
we become insolvent. The plan is almost complete. Wait just a little longer
for the "fundamental change" you voted for.
'Then you will have to act like you couldn't have forescene the how badly the
govnerment drops healthcare for women and children and, in fact, everybody.' -
KM | 12:30 p.m. July 28, 2011 Not sure how that relates to 'Gods
poll numbers', but ok. The claim that 'goverment healthcare drops
members' is false on it's face. 1) It covers more than x4 more than any private
provider. As such, the 'numbers' they drop are more due to volume.
2) Republicans have campaigned against Medicare for years. Example:Cause: *'Gov. Jan Brewer: No funds for transplants' - by Mary Jo Pitzl -
Az Central - 12/11/10 Effect: *'Two Dead Since Arizona
Medicaid Program Slashed Transplant Coverage' - By JANE E. ALLEN - ABC News -
01/06/11 'Two Arizona Medicaid recipients denied potentially life-saving
organ transplants have died...(sic)...that the state's GOP governor, Jan
Brewer, and GOP-led legislature said they could no longer afford.'
Brewer CUT the funding for Medicare... and then claimed Medicare DROPPED
paitents. It is a self-fufilling prophecy by the Republican
party. When the Republican party cut funding to Medicare, they
CREATED the situation to happen.
atl134: "my Obamacare gov't insurance paid 90% of my surgery cost."
This statement is incorrect and must be qualified. I would put a
huge sum of money on the fact that your Obamacare insurance paid 90% of what
they "allow" and that amount is certainly less than 33% of the actual
charged fees for your surgery. You or your private insurance then pays the
remaining 10% of the "allowable amount and the hospital, physicians, and
others write off the other 67% because they have a contractual obligation to do
"Then you will have to act like you couldn't have forescene the how badly
the govnerment drops healthcare for women and children and, in fact, everybody.
"I have two health insurances. One from my employer, one from
being young enough to be on my dads gov't plan thanks to Obamacare. The employer
based one has still not paid a cent on my surgery I had 6 months ago. The
Obamacare one... was secondary insurance, inexplicably told by my employer based
one to become primary insurance (despite being a dependent on the Obamacare one
while being primary insured on the employer one), and then my Obamacare gov't
insurance paid 90% of my surgery cost. I think I'd be just fine with
universal gov't healthcare. After all, if gov't healthcare is so bad, why aren't
Europeans trying to get our system? Why do they think what we have is barbaric?
They certainly aren't going bankrupt over healthcare costs, they spend less GDP
on healthcare than we do. Besides, our seniors really like medicare to the point
they yell out at town halls "keep your gov't hands off my medicare".
Ha ha, keep mocking God and see where that gets you.Pagan - wait
until government health care is fully operative. Then you will have to act like
you couldn't have forescene the how badly the govnerment drops healthcare for
women and children and, in fact, everybody.
I'm outraged!Where's the poll on Zeus's approval ration?How good a job is Odin doing?What does the public think about how
well Shiva is minding the store?When was the last time Ra had to be
held accountable for the state of the world?Come on! Where's the
"I thought Obama is GOD ..to liberals."If you actually
read the poll results you would see that the biggest reason for Obama's
continued decline in favorability ratings is because he is losing LIBERALS
because Obama is not liberal enough.
'I thought Obama is GOD ..to liberals.' - patriot | 10:55 a.m. July 28, 2011 I thought profit was God to conservatives? *'Wellpoint
Drops Coverage For Some Women With Breast Cancer' - By Mary Ellen Egan - Forbes
Magazine - 04/23/10 'Yesterday, an investigation by Reuters revealed
that Wellpoint routinely drops coverage of women with breast cancer. According
to the report, Wellpoint used a computer algorithm that automatically
targeted...' *'GOP Freshmen Admit To Playing Politics' - NPR -
05/19/11'The plea for civility comes after Obama and other Democrats
have pounded House Republicans for supporting a GOP 2012 budget proposal that
would privatize the Medicare program for future seniors, forcing anyone under 55
to buy health coverage from private insurers when they become eligible for the
benefit.' And moderator, please. If you can allow insult
liberals, why would you NOT allow insults to conservatives? Allow
both, or remove both. But do not claim allowing ONE side is 'fair.'
I thought Obama is GOD ..to liberals.
This has got to be an 'Onion' story. Don't tell me this was a real poll?