Vai's View: Vai's View: Planting seeds of faith in the Sacred Grove

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  • JCH San Diego, CA
    July 25, 2011 3:26 p.m.

    In other words, the Church's race-based restrictions were ordained by God, then they were repealed by God? And this remedial practice is sanctioned by scriptural precedent. Fine.

    My question remains: How do ethnic minorities weigh that (very recent) history in their everyday relationships with the Church? I would love to hear from them about this.

  • Doctor Tucson, AZ
    July 24, 2011 11:43 a.m.

    I read, I think in this newspaper, that the location of the grove was/is known and it was razed for some reason.

  • Bill in Nebraska Maryville, MO
    July 23, 2011 9:46 p.m.

    To Doctor: What you don't understand is that it was somewhere in this grove of trees where the Prophet Joseph prayed. The exact spot in the grove is what is up in the air. That is what is wrong with the critics as they fail to understand that it isn't necessary to know exactly where it took place, only that it did. Just as it isn't important to know where the burning bush was, where Moses separated the Red Sea, where Zarahemla is or any other place mentioned in the Book of Mormon, only that the stories told within actually took place. That is what faith and pure knowledge comes from through the Holy Ghost.

  • Doctor Tucson, AZ
    July 23, 2011 11:21 a.m.

    Am I mistaken? I thought this grove was not the sacred grove or even at the same location?

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    July 22, 2011 7:44 p.m.

    (Story continued)

    Peter went with the servants of Cornelius to Caesarea, met with Cornelius, taught the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Peter said, "I perceive that God is no respecter of persons". While he was preaching to them, the Holy Ghost fell upon Cornelius, all of his household, kinsmen, and friends, who Cornelius invited to come to hear Peter. They believed in Jesus Christ, spoke with tongues, & magnified God. Peter said, "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we"? He then commanded them to be baptised. He visited with them for a time.

    The apostles and brethren in Jerusalem heard what had happened in Caesarea & contended with Peter when he returned. He rehearsed all that had happened in Joppa and Caesarea. Then they all understood that the Gospel of Jesus Christ was for everyone.

    Christ, himself had told them that he was called only to teach the House of Israel. But then Peter is taught that the time was right to teach the gentiles. The same with President Kimball - a revelation taught him that the time was then right for all worthy men to receive the Priesthood.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    July 22, 2011 7:24 p.m.

    To JCH, & others who may be interested:

    There is a Bible incident (see Acts 10 & 11:1-18) that is very important and teaches parallel truths in regards to the revelation about the Priesthood,received by President Kimball, the LDS Prophet.

    There was a centurian soldier from Caesarea, Cornelius, a very religious and devout man, who received a vision during the daytime, who told him to send for Peter, who was in Joppa. The angel told him specifically how to find Peter.

    Cornelius sent servants the next day to Joppa & as they approached the city, Peter went up upon the roof to pray & became very hungry. A vision opened up & Peter saw many types of what were considered unclean animals. A voice sait to him, "Peter, kill & eat". Peter said, "not so Lord, for I have never eaten anything common or unclean". The voice said, "What God hah cleansed, that call not thou common. This happened two more times.

    There was a knock on the door - it was the servants of Cornelius, asking for Peter, who was called to the door. Peter went down to the door and the servants rehearsed what had happened to Cornelius. (continued)

  • kiaoraguy Provo, UT
    July 22, 2011 2:36 p.m.

    Vai's comments about his Grandmothers brought tears to my eyes, reminding me of the very sacred and personal experience I was able to have in the Sacred Grove a number of years ago. It was closed for a short time for a specific purpose and I was able to spend a half hour alone in that most sacred of places- the experience of a lifetime...

  • JCH San Diego, CA
    July 22, 2011 2:28 p.m.

    I'm curious how Ahmad and Vai incorporate church history into their view of the world and the modern LDS Church. Do they discuss or debate Church doctrine and its past interpretations, specifically with regard to the role of blacks and other ethnic minorities?

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    July 22, 2011 1:34 p.m.

    Great stuff, Vai! But no need to pray for you. You said your Stake Youth Council planned and prepared the vast majority of this event. It will be great! As a former Stake YM President, the most enjoyable part of the calling was working with the SYC to have THEM plan the various Stake Youth Conferences. Nothing better. I'm intrigued by Pres. Corbett. I met him 5-6 years ago at Aspen Grove. I believe many readers of your blog would be interested in his conversion story, which would likely apply to people of all walks of life. Enjoy Palmyra!!

  • Craigo Ivins, UT
    July 22, 2011 1:21 p.m.

    Probably one of the the very very best talk ive ever heard was from Pres Ahmad S. Corbitt.
    It was given during a Salt Lake priesthood commemoration address, about 3 years ago. I still remember the talk on unity.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 22, 2011 1:06 p.m.

    Awesome story Vai! I served in the NJ Cherry Hill mission from 96-98 and I remember Brother Corbitt but I had no idea he was now the stake president. I very much appreciate the news you often bring of my old mission field. Thanks Vai.

  • DistantThunder Vincentown, NJ
    July 22, 2011 12:15 p.m.

    We greatly appreciate our leaders for all their hard work, sacrifice and commitment. Susan - Cherry HIll Stake member

  • defibman Syracuse, UT
    July 22, 2011 12:10 p.m.

    Vai, thanks for another wonderful memory. I was stationed in upstate NY in the late 70's and served as a security person for the VIP section of the Pagent which included Pre. Hinckley. I got to sit by his side during the whole thing which just added to the wonderful experience. I have not been back since, due to different assignments, but look forward to going after I retire.

    Enjoy and remember that you and your group are in our prayers.

  • Triple B Milford, NH
    July 22, 2011 11:43 a.m.

    Palmyra is a great place to visit. The Sacred Grove is a wonderful place. We were there two weeks ago and had a great visit. If you haven't been you should add it to your "bucket list".

  • 93 COUGAR Orem, UT
    July 22, 2011 11:43 a.m.

    Take it easy there miguel. Please don't turn this awesome story into a rivalry about sports. Cougar fans please let mine be the only response to that post.


    I just got back from Nauvoo and was a bit jealous of all the youth conferences going on around us. It was great to see the leaders there with the kids having a great time while building testimonies. All of my family was able to attend the temple together to do baptisms. It was a great experience.

    Keep up the good work. It continues to roll along and we can all do our part in our little corner of the world.

  • UteMiguel Go Utes, CA
    July 22, 2011 11:17 a.m.

    Nice article. Vai's red and white shirt is the best looking BYU shirt I've seen.

  • tom2 Jerome, ID
    July 22, 2011 11:15 a.m.

    Brother Vai, I must say that I am jealous. As an alum of the New York Rochester Mission and someone who lived in Buffalo for about a year as a kid, I like to think I have a good appreciation of the Cradle of the Restoration. I was fortunate to spend a long weekend there this spring, but Pageant time is special. Enjoy your stay, but it seems that you already know you will.

  • XelaDave Salem, UT
    July 22, 2011 10:55 a.m.

    I am grateful Vai continues to promote shadow leadership by adults (several stories now)- in my own stake we have nice little youth commitees that meet and are then told by adults what they will do and are handed everything- then we later have mtgs where we ask why the youth do not participate and what we can do to get/make them come out (yes I say this but the line is then- but they will fail- yes they might and they will learn)- such an intersting irony- I am sure his stake has attendance issues as well but allowing the youth to lead and even exercise keys seems so crucial to what we are trying to do for the youth- ohh and by the way the story like so many Vai chooses to share did make me cry as well