Ron Howard to direct 'Under the Banner of Heaven' film

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  • Joe1 YUMA, AZ
    July 30, 2011 12:24 p.m.

    This book was very well written, gripping, and heart-breaking. As a true-crime story alone it was interesting, but the way Kraukauer interweaved it with mormon history gave some unique insight into these men's psyches. They didn't come up with these ideas on their own. The modern LDS church (and 2 presidential candidates) have nothing to worry about. It has moved on past the era of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young and is a respectable organization today. These guys were more closely aligned with FLDS beliefs, which are fresh in everyone's mind because of the Jeffs trial.

  • JM Lehi, UT
    July 23, 2011 1:38 p.m.

    It may be that the Gay activist writer, Dustin Black, has an axe to grind, so we probably shouldn't expect him to be fair in presenting LDS, and me might even take whatever opportunity he can to paint my children as evil because of their religious faith...but, you never know, maybe he will try to build bridges, maybe he'll call for a stop to the bullying of LDS, maybe he'll try to explain that bigotry and hatred are never good... even if they are religious folk.... : ) hey it could happen...

    As I read the comments (most are probably by our favorite DN full time anti-Mormons) I wonder how these few hateful people became so obsessed with destroying others. They spend their days here doing this????? IS there a pill for that? : )

  • LDS Revelations Sandy, UT
    July 22, 2011 6:13 p.m.

    For all it's faults Krakauer's book does a good job of dealing with serious issues regarding religion, belief, divine commandment & revelation, obedience and lastly violence and killing in the name of God. Understandably faithful LDS don't want the more troublesome parts of LDS doctrine no matter how extinct or fundamentalist connected with the modern Church at all. But these things are history and they are connected.

    The Lafferty brothers were crazy to think God told them to kill and were fundamentalist to be sure. At the same time though the story of Nephi killing Laban because 'the spirit compelled him to' is taught in LDS chapels as a model of obedience to God on a regular basis. Brigham Young repeatedly taught of Blood Atonement and early LDS fully believed in it. How's is it that LDS get all angry at Krakauer for writing his book and Howard for making a film when clearly the question can be asked, "How is Nephi or Brigham any better than the Lafferty's? How is religion that teaches killing in the name of God not dangerous?"

  • LarryofArabia Layton, UT
    July 22, 2011 3:54 p.m.

    Even if the truth hurts, the truth never needs a defense. While I realize that FEW people here in Utah cannot separate fact from movie fiction, that's a cultural issue. Ron Howard is an excellent director, I may or may not chose to view the movie, haven't read the book, and don't know if the story interests me enough to read it at this point. Books about homicide among family members regardless of the reason,aren't really my cup of tea/postum/chocolate/diet coke, etc. Why wring your hands in angst over something you truly have zero control over? Doesn't make any sense at all to me.

  • oldschool Farmington, UT
    July 22, 2011 2:09 p.m.

    The men working on this film obviously hate religion and have come to the conclusion that has been reached by many: that because much evil has been done in the name of religion, then religion must be bad. I expect to see this philosophy touted in not only their films but also almost all films that come out of Hollywood, which promotes an agenda that includes an enmity toward organized religion and social conservatives while promoting acceptance of homosexual activity, premarital sex, abortion, recreational drug use, pornography, and cohabitation without marriage. Most Hollywood types are Socialists and many are outright communists. As the dichotomy between good and evil in the world deepens, any attacks on the LDS Church will have the result of drawing good people toward the religion and its virtuous concepts. However, I expect the men working on this movie to intentionally confuse the public between the mainstream LDS church and the defectors who have committed heinous crimes in the name of God.

  • seriously Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2011 1:55 p.m.

    If the movie is disgusting, it will be an accurate portrayal. Repercussions from this incident and its aftermath in our family for years had my grandmother from that side seriously considered changing the pedigree charts.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    July 22, 2011 11:09 a.m.


    What is the nature of revelation? On the one hand is the notion that revelation is a very distinct, unambigious event that can't be confused with one's own thinking. On the other hand is the notion that if one lives correctly and maintains a strong faith, the God/Jesus, via the holy ghost, will guide them in their daily lives, even in minute decision making.

    I have an aunt who prayed & claimed revelation on whether to buy a black & white TV or a color TV. How is anyone supposed to know whether she was up in the night, or not?

    Krakauer's book describes the "School of the Prophets" in Payson(?) where the Lafferty brothers and a number of other devout believers were teaching themselves how to receive a more continuous stream of direct revelation, certainly not the more discreet, occasional message delivered by Prophet, (which historically began with "Thus Sayeth the Lord...")

    Prophecy itself seems to have dried up, by and large (certainly compared to the prophecies issued by Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and the early LDS prophets) but the scope of revelation is confined to one's level of authorization.

    This doesn't clear up when revelation goes bad.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    July 22, 2011 9:21 a.m.

    I'm not LDS but I am an historian and I have read the book. I think it falls into the category of books called tabloid history. It plays fast and loose with the facts and has not third act. If Ron Howard wants to direct a film to bash the Mormons there are any number of books from the 19th century that will prove far more entertaining.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    July 22, 2011 8:56 a.m.

    %coltakashi, you present a good overview, but it is difficult to determine what is your point: that the sins of others justify the sins of Mormons, or that sins are just the way of man's life, past, present and future.

    %raybies, you write: "These are all cliche's. They're tired old pernicious lies. They're destroying the foundation of what makes our country great". Granted, they are terrible events and terrible destructive people, but they are real and historical; so what are you suggesting, that the country bury its head in the sand and pretent that it is not happening or is not real.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    July 22, 2011 8:21 a.m.

    Remember the movie "September Dawn" with Jon Voigt. Lost a ton of money. Good luck, Mr Howard.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    July 22, 2011 6:48 a.m.

    FWIW, religion in general has been under attack from popular media. Some of the most acclaimed dramas have one dimensional religious characters as tokens to mock and make fun of. There's the evil self-righteous preacher figure that condemns everyone, but inwardly is a hypocrite and has some evil lustful desires. There's the braindead christian evangelical who is artificially happy but inwardly is sad and empty. There's the mindless mormon cultist who simply doesn't know anything about the real world, is really just repressed and therefore needs to be taught how to live, be liberated, and let loose. There's the bigot religious follower who burns crosses into lawns, kills abortion doctors, and shoots random saintly politicians. There's the whack-job nut who kills because he hears voices. There's the religious parent who turns their back on their teen's pregnancy, or their son's uncompromising/yet always a victim gay born-that-way life.

    Inevitably all these religious villains must denounce their religion if they're to grow as characters--or they are simply killed/arrested/ostracized.

    These are all cliche's. They're tired old pernicious lies. They're destroying the foundation of what makes our country great.

    Behold the pride of the world.

  • coltakashi Richland, WA
    July 21, 2011 11:46 p.m.

    Krakauer tries to draw a line connecting the Mountain Meadows Massacre and the more contemporary murder by two people who rejected the LDS Church. Other than being murders, there is no similarity. There is no record that the militia in Cedar City ever claimed "revelation" to attack the Fancher wagon train. It was a brutal attack that was prompted by hothead John D. Lee, that magnified bad judgment combined with fear and hatred into murder.

    At the same time, we should not forget that, in the same era, and region, the US Army and various state militias, like in Colorado, were pretty handy at murdering Indian families en masse. Less than a year after the Mountain Meadows attack, the Army units that marched to Utah wiped out an Indian village, the way they had been talking about doing to the Mormons. I am pretty sure the militias and soldiers were able to kill without any claim that it was justified by the voice of God. Americans have been pretty efficient at slaughter of Indians since the Jamestown and Plymouth Colones.

    And then there were massacres during the Civil War, and in the Philippine Insurrection.

  • coltakashi Richland, WA
    July 21, 2011 11:35 p.m.

    A number of BYU religion scholars put together a panel discussion and other commentary on Dan Brown's books and his lurid depiction of the Roman Catholic Church. We Mormons don't need or want an inaccurate depiction of Christ or the early history of Christianity, or about the modern Catholic Church. A lot of Mormons are former Catholics with lots of friends and family who still are, and they have no interest in depicting Catholics as either dangerous or incompetent, the way Brown does.

    The premises that drive Brown's recent novels are illogical, and the only thing that mitigates this is the pace at which he throws events at the reader. If you stop and think for a minute, the whole story line falls apart.

    Krakauer's book's theme is that personal revelation is dangerous. He said so in interviews. The rejection of revelation by modern Christian churches comes from this fear, even though it is couched in terms of "You can't add to the Bible." The Pharisees and Sadducees of Christ's day had the same fear of living prophets and their disruption of established religious power.

    But Ted Bundy was a serial killer without "revelation". Likewise Stalin, Mao and Hitler.

  • wranglergirl PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    July 21, 2011 11:30 p.m.

    it has come to my understanding that some people might think that this will be a cool movie to see and cant wait to see how it turns out. well im here to tell you that im Allen lafferty daughter and i don't see any way that this would be a cool movie to see and see how it will turn out. my father is still having a hard time with the whole thing and it has been many years from now. do you have any consideration to other peoples feeling or are you just being human and want to see others that went through it suffer. i want you to put your self im the laffertys shoes and his late wife's family shoes. and i want you to think about something. if this happen to me would i really want to have my store made into a movie. really people what is this world coming to.

  • Fuzz Springville, UT
    July 21, 2011 11:13 p.m.


    There is only one version of truth. You can either accept it or deny it.


    I can tell you haven't read the Old Testament

  • DanO Mission Viejo, CA
    July 21, 2011 10:55 p.m.

    "If negotiations are successful"

    So much condemnation in the comments and article for a movie that hasn't even been green-lighted let alone written or filmed.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    July 21, 2011 10:05 p.m.

    It doesn't seem right the way the Salt Lake Mormons post so much hate for the FLDS, it is almost schizophrenic self hate. The Salt Lake Mormons and the FLDS grew up in the arms of the same mother church. Where is the Christian love, the Salt Lake Mormons should embrace their sister church and help heal it with love and care

  • islandgirl63 AUBURN, WA
    July 21, 2011 8:59 p.m.

    Just saw a quote from Kirstie Alley that says it all, "Murder is murder, not a religious disorder."

  • LifeLibertyHappiness Draper, UT
    July 21, 2011 8:41 p.m.

    This is another non-story. Members of the LDS Church just need to keep living according to the teachings of Christ. This will have no significant impact.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 21, 2011 8:12 p.m.

    "Back in the 1950's I was a teenage girl and attended a conference in which one of the Apostles spoke, and he told us that the time would come when The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints would be persecuted, and that the persecution we would go through would make the persecution the early saints went through look like they were on a picnic. I see that prophecy being fulfilled every day."

    I left the LDS church and yet I'm still deeply offended by this comment. The pioneers faced real persecution. Or are extermination orders picnics to you?

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    July 21, 2011 7:46 p.m.

    The reaction of most LDS here to Krakauer's book is predictable, but somewhat contradictory.

    When challenged by the missionaries to read the Book of Mormon, I started it... and was unable to get past the part where God instructs Nephi to decapitate Laban. I simply don't believe God provides those kind of instructions.

    The Book of Mormon is laced with divinely sanctioned violence, yet Krakauer is to blame for pointing out real world examples of how religious ideology has led to violence?

    The reaction to a piece that doesn't show the Mormon religious ideology in a positive light is certainly understandable, but ultimately, hypocritical.

  • dtlenox Olympia, WA
    July 21, 2011 7:08 p.m.

    Just like most Hollyweird actors and directors, Ron Howard continues his decline into mediocrity. Just like Tom Hanks, I no longer have any use for anything either guy is involved in. It's a shame, because I used to admire both of them. I have absolutely no desire to see this movie or read a book about grisly, sick murders, written by a fool of an author who uses cheap sensationalism to make money off of the numerous people with poor taste who revel in such garbage.

  • Fairenough4U Draper, utah
    July 21, 2011 6:42 p.m.

    Ron Howard is a genius. I'm sure the film will be very good.

  • nottyou Riverton, UT
    July 21, 2011 5:46 p.m.

    Free, bad press is better than no press at all.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    July 21, 2011 5:22 p.m.

    I have Catholic friends that said, "Don't see Angels and Demons". So I didn't.
    If we allow and participate in the encroachment of Catholic ridicule like "Sister Act" on Broadway and Ron Howard/Tom Hanks films, we should expect at least the same to the LDS.

  • Phillip Beagley TEMPE, AZ
    July 21, 2011 4:37 p.m.

    I wonder if any of the book's detractors (including the official LDS spokespeople) actually read the book. The book is not anti-Mormon at all. It's an incredibly well-written and objective piece of work that I found fascinating.

    I can't believe I refused to read it for years because others close to me characterized it as 'anti'. This book is NOT sleazy, glitzy, pseudo-historical, etc. Just read it.

    @CWEB | 11:04 p.m. July 20, 2011

    Of course it has correlation to the church - most of the book focuses on 'personal revelation', which is what led to the murders in the first place. The book details how JSmith's introduction of 'personal revelation' to his church was both a blessing and an eventual curse (i.e. not being able to control splinters that believe they're getting revelations all the time). Please read the book before dismissing it.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 21, 2011 4:35 p.m.

    The book is a lot more objective than anything FARMS produces. There were some mistakes but it was mostly accurate.

  • Alex 1 Tucson, AZ
    July 21, 2011 4:25 p.m.

    We are probably about due for another big anti-Mormon film, since the Godmakers is now a bit dated. Have a crack at it Krakauer, Black and Howard. We will make lemonade out of it, regardless of its accuracy.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    July 21, 2011 3:53 p.m.

    Krakauer's book is deeply flawed. It misunderstands 19th century Mormonism and maligns 20th and 21st century Mormonism by implying it has a connection to polygamy when it has done everything it can to legally disavow the practice. It also accuses the Church of banning inter-racial marriage, which considering the president of the Sao Paulo North Mission is a black man married to a white woman is total hogwash. The first black man sealed in the temple was sealed to a non-black wife and the sealing was done by Thomas S. Monson. I could go on, but I think the point is clear.

  • KM Cedar Hills, UT
    July 21, 2011 3:53 p.m.

    While whistling down the dirt lane, fishing pole over the shoulder, "Pa, tell me about them Mormons..." "well Opie, they are a dasterdly bunch, full of hate and secrets, they even pay 10% to fund the prophets extravagant lifestyle." "gosh pa, you shure bout' them mormons?" "No opie, but we hate them Christian folk so the ends justify the means." Whistles off into the distance...

  • Doctor Tucson, AZ
    July 21, 2011 3:06 p.m.

    Don't let your heart ache too hard for the catholics, we have a pretty thick skin. I thought the Da Vinci Code was a good book and a lousy movie.

  • Things as they are Erie, PA
    July 21, 2011 2:26 p.m.

    It is unfortunate that this vile and purient subject has found financial backers. What is there about a double murder of family members that anyone in their right mind would find even the least bit interesting, let alone entertaining? Will the climax of the film be when one brother says to the other, "Thanks for doing the baby, I don't think I could have done that."? What other draw could there be to such a gruesome tale if not for the connection to fundamentalist mormons?

    It is no accident that Ron Howard is behind this film. His work on the Da Vinci Code established him as the guy for a riveting religious expose`. My heart ached for the Catholics then, but then again, Mormons are used to it.

    I too pray, and ask God to be with those who make this film, and allow His spirit to influence for good the out come. May He draw those persons to His gospel that they too may come unto Christ. Only then will they see their folly. Only then, can we help them.

    Let us ever pray for these souls; I feel it is what Brenda Lafferty and her baby would want.

  • Be Practical Sandy, UT
    July 21, 2011 2:07 p.m.

    "Only time will tell how Dustin Lance Black, an ex-Mormon, and Ron Howard, who drew heat for his depiction of the Catholic hierarchy in "The Da Vinci Code" and "Angels and Demons," will treat the origins of LDS faith."

    You're kidding, right?

  • Two Cents Springville, Utah
    July 21, 2011 1:19 p.m.

    It seems in poor taste to tell this tale. But since when does Hollywood think about anything but the almighty dollar?

  • Grandma19 Spanish Fork, UT
    July 21, 2011 1:10 p.m.

    To Idaho Coug:

    Thank you for your kind remarks -- I totally agree. I also saw "17 Miracles" a couple of weeks ago and was very touched by it. Some of my ancestors walked across the plains with handcarts -- some came in covered wagons. Their trials and tribulations were certainly different than ours today.

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    July 21, 2011 12:52 p.m.

    I guess I'm fairly isolated from the problems of the world and movie makers. I'll let these folks do what they do and go about my business quietly and peacefully. If God doesn't like what they do then He can punish them. I choose to forgive and forget. All of this media attention will just inspire more folks to seek the truth so be ready my young lads because your appointment books are going to fill up. Flee to Zion if you desire safety. Lehi is a great place to live.

  • Idaho Coug Meridian, Idaho
    July 21, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    To Grandma 19,

    I just saw the movie "17 Miracles". What we are going through today pales in comparison to what the early members went through. Not only in actual persecution but in how difficult it was to live as an obedient member (plural marriage). I do my fair share of moaning and groaning but I believe it is cake to be a member today compared to the past.

    I think it is almost in our genes to look at everything around us as persecution and as signs of the endtimes when in reality most things have improved dramatically on all levels.

  • Grandma19 Spanish Fork, UT
    July 21, 2011 12:16 p.m.

    I have read with great interest all of the comments. The wickedness and perverseness of mankind have been prophesied to come in these latter days by the Ancient prophets as well as modern.

    Back in the 1950's I was a teenage girl and attended a conference in which one of the Apostles spoke, and he told us that the time would come when The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints would be persecuted, and that the persecution we would go through would make the persecution the early saints went through look like they were on a picnic. I see that prophecy being fulfilled every day. Also, President Boyd K. Packer said in one of his recent talks that things are going to get worse before they get better -- and I might add they are. We see that every day!

    We need not stress or get angry over these things, but be diligent and faithful in keeping the commandments of God and the covenants we have made with him and endure to the end and He will reward us according to our deeds.

  • Idaho Coug Meridian, Idaho
    July 21, 2011 11:57 a.m.

    This article and some comments made in response remind me how interesting it is to see how members respond to articles, movies, tv shows, comments that negatively tie plural marriage to the LDS Church. There seems to be no question that the Church and members would like to distance the Church from plural marriage almost to the point of acting as if it didn't exist (see church manuals of past prophets that do not even mention any wife by name other than the first).

    It is also interesting how members personally come to grips with this past practice. Some put it on their "shelf" and don't think about it at all, some disagree it was a command from God but are able to accept everything else LDS (my mom), some have accepted a comforting but often historically inaccurate apologetic rational for it's practice (i.e. more women than men), and some embrace it as a key component of the restoration and something likely to be practiced again.

    Everyone must come to their own conclusion. But for me, an honest and open-minded study of the history of LDS plural marriage is VERY difficult to attribute to God's Restoration.

  • Andy Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 21, 2011 11:43 a.m.

    It is interesting how, in such quick succession, society is being polarized.

    Lines are being drawn and the wheat is being separated from the tares. It is interesting to witness.

    Buckle up folks, it's going to be a bumpy ride, but we'll make it in the end.

  • Abbe Faria Draper, UT
    July 21, 2011 11:23 a.m.

    Everybody always wants to persecute the Lord's church. We will prevail from this. This is just another example of the media trying to bring us down when we're in the spotlight. Ain't going to happen.

  • bleeding purple Santa Ana, CA
    July 21, 2011 10:40 a.m.

    Hollywood is all about liberal politics ... and it is no coincidence that this movie is coming out right in the middle of the 2012 presidential election.

  • In Arizona Mesa, AZ
    July 21, 2011 10:23 a.m.

    Yes Ron Howard is trying to win an Oscar ... so what, hope he does, it's what he does. (I bet if you saw him as Opie right now on TV you would still smile)
    You who are condemning Ron Howard ... did you condemn him for DaVinci Code too?
    Probably not because it wasn't about LDS.
    There will always be attacks against the good in the world, whether it's the LDS or any other Church. Live your religion, speak kindly of others and simply don't go see the movie if you don't think it's right.
    Take a chill pill and don't be bothered so easily! Read some scriptures and prophecies on the latter days and see if you can understand. This stuff won't go away until Christ comes again.

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    July 21, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    A lot of posters who have a lot of fear in their hearts. Krakauer is a well respected author who is unafraid to do the his books. I hope all of you have. In fact just read the prologue of Under the Banner and then decide if he is anti-LDS or not. You will find he is pretty even handed.

  • Woody Newbury Park, CA
    July 21, 2011 10:17 a.m.

    Just a couple years ago the big deal was "September Dawn". It was intentionally promoted to embarrass the Church. In spite of a couple of stars in the cast, no one cared. It was a bad movie that died of its own self importance. The only victim was the lost opportunity to explore the tragedy.

    This movie is no different. If it is just a hatchet job, it will straight to video. If it is compelling, then it will be about more than a church. When I watched "Angels and Demons", I had an increased sympathy for Catholics who could be fictionally victimized.

  • HCB63 Orem, UT
    July 21, 2011 10:02 a.m.

    Krakauer is highly overrated in his ability to prose acurately. Any book in which he (Krakauer) is a part, he places himself as the hero of the story--a bent openly disputed by others who were a part of the real-life events. He has shown himself to be an incredibly poor researcher who zero's in on a particular point of a story and ignores fact for storytelling that sells books. The guy is an egomaniac with self aggrandizing heroism as his literary intent.

  • bgl Santa Monica, CA
    July 21, 2011 9:58 a.m.

    SL from Rexburg said--Mormons will continue to rise in influence as they shake their heads in disbelief. Some once said, success is the best revenge.

    See, this is a big part of the problem. The need to come out on top and the desire for success and revenge. What do these things have to do with Christ's message? When non Mormon people mistrust LDS leaders and members, or when young people feel inclined to leave the church, or when new converts stray--I think that it is this attitude more than anything else, that influences their opinions and decisions. I read this book. It is an excellent work that really says nothing more than--"hold a harsh light up to our institutions and don't be afraid to question authority."

  • MESOUTE Wandering, Earth
    July 21, 2011 9:51 a.m.

    This is all a little too boring for me. Ron Howard, the Big Love writer, fundamentalists, blah blah blah. Somebody wake me up when the Cohen brothers film a movie about Mountain Meadows.

  • jaredw007 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 21, 2011 9:26 a.m.

    This sounds like a desperate attempt at Oscar bait by Ron Howard after his plans for a Dark Tower trilogy were nixed by Universal. Mormons of course are a popular topic these days with the Book of Mormon musical, Jimmer mania, and the Presidential race. But looking at his track record, I think Howard will make an effort to try to make the movie less controversial and more like a crime drama that just happens to involve Mormon splinter groups. That's the only way I see this movie working because otherwise it just becomes another "religious people are crazy and their religion makes them do terrible things in the name of God." I mean it's been done to death (no pun intended) in Hollywood. And we don't need another "September Dawn."

  • noneck62 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 21, 2011 9:25 a.m.

    Isn't this the Ron Howard who played Opie Taylor in the 1960s "The Andy Griffith Show?" He needs to lose his license for this and find some other line of work.

  • rok San Diego, CA
    July 21, 2011 9:20 a.m.

    Of course Dustin Lance Black is going to make a film to attack Mormons.

  • cymrul West Valley City, UT
    July 21, 2011 9:09 a.m.

    Let a story surface that anything being written, filmed or performed about the LDS church MIGHT show something other than Sunshine and lollipops and everyone puts on their hair shirts, sack cloth and ashes and starts to wail, whine and scream that they are being persecuted for their beliefs.

    I love how everyone jumps the gun and immediately goes to how inaccurate the script (which I don't think has even been written yet) will portray the LDS church and it's members.

    The LDS brag about how big a church they are becoming, with that growth comes media portrayals that may or may not be accurate. Deal with it. Your religion isn't the first to have movies, plays, musicals, stories, etc. that aren't 100% accurate. What are YOU going to do about it? Because people will become interested in your beliefs and will begin looking at YOU to see what a real LDS person is like.

    From my experiences, those who are members of a religion do far more damage to it's reputation and make it look less than desireable than a movie that the majority of people understand is a story being told, and may or may not be true.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    July 21, 2011 9:05 a.m.

    RE: The DaVinci Code;

    I found this to be a great piece of entertainment. Of course, the 2 warring factions within the Catholic Church were either made up or exaggerated. But the basic premise: That Christ married and had offspring : Why is that a problem? Sure it doesn't say that in the bible, but we as LDS know that to attain the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom, one has to take on the NEw and Everlasting Covenant, so why couldn't he have been married and had children? Would that make his progeny automatically some mystic superhuman being? No.

    I think the major objection is geared toward HOW the story is told. I believe this new film has no redeeming merit. It glorifies sick and base behavior. But if Mr. Howard is even-handed in the telling of the story, how is it a sin?

    Either way, it will further serve to separate the wheat from the tares, something that needs to continue in these Latter Days.

  • ClarkKent Bountiful, Utah
    July 21, 2011 8:55 a.m.

    @speed66, I agree with you. The world is full of blind followers.

  • DBeck Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 21, 2011 8:51 a.m.

    As Latter-day Saints, we have believed and done some really peculiar things measured against the rest of the world. Much like other subgroups of society have done for millennia. But I can't tell you how many times Big Love, Under the Banner of God, and The Book of Mormon Musical have led to great chats with non-Mormon friends and acquaintances. Just like the 2002 Olympics opened the closed society of Utah to the world, these things have a thread of value if we let them. That they may sting a bit is another topic altogether.

    The story behind this film is that the Laffertys are killers urged on by dark forces. They claimed God told them to commit these crimes. All sorts of folks throughout history claim this sort of thing. That they happen to be associated with a "fundamentalist" Mormon group is what it is. It's a tragic story that Krakuer thrives on and he does it fairly well having read it and other books he has written. Just wish he would have shown that sick is sick no matter what the roots may (or may not) be. Hope the film will do that.

  • ClarkKent Bountiful, Utah
    July 21, 2011 8:33 a.m.

    Sounds like great movie material! I'll definitely see it!

  • speed66 Hever City, UT
    July 21, 2011 8:33 a.m.

    The book has much more to do with culture than with the Lafferty brothers. It is an entertaining and thoughtful book by an outstanding and well-credentialed author. This article seems more interested in discrediting the work than reporting on it. Most of the controversy are by those who have not read it.

    I'm a huge fan of Ron Howard and hope the movie gets made.

  • Whos Life RU Living? Ogden, UT
    July 21, 2011 8:30 a.m.

    Has anyone wondered why religion changes?

    Example, compare Bible prophets to "today prophets." It just seems that the two worlds are not the same at all. I always hear that God is unchanging and remains the same, but how is that true if the Bible world is so different than today's world.

    Thanks Ron Howard for living in the same world as me.

  • SL Rexburg, ID
    July 21, 2011 8:21 a.m.

    K, yes, Davinci Code was an obvious (and absurd) smear against Catholicism and religion in general. Religious people need to set aside differences and start defending one another against this aggressive secularism. While we argue about doctrinal differences, the enemy is at the gates.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    July 21, 2011 8:19 a.m.

    The man who was once "Opie" seems to be fighting his own demons. He appears to want to destroy instead of building. It would appear to be a direct effort to discredit the LDS Church in a time when a leading candidate for president is from that church.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    July 21, 2011 8:10 a.m.

    K - I have a huge problem with Davinci Code and Angels and Demons. I think most of us do...
    Fuzz - I don't buy your version of "Truth"

  • tyndale1 Pullman, WA
    July 21, 2011 8:09 a.m.

    I have enjoyed the majority of Ron Howard's work, and I am sure he will do a convincing job once again with this. It is disheartening that, rather than being unique, he is drawn to join the crowd that promotes anti-faith sentiments. Perhaps he has never found a faith that resonates with his inner-self.

    Regardless, LDS faithful should brace for more of this. The negative stories must continue, along with the good, until the final day. That is how it works. "But the truth of God will go forth..."

  • K Mchenry, IL
    July 21, 2011 7:12 a.m.

    What I want to know if LDS who had no problems with davinci code and sequel with no concerns are now realizing what Hollywood does to faith groups.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    July 21, 2011 6:29 a.m.

    Krakauer, Howard and Hanks ever increasingly unite themselves with the expanding group of filmmakers whose god has involved into the almighty buck, progressively producing glitzy trash as they propagandize it as historically enlightening.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    July 21, 2011 6:02 a.m.

    This story has as much to do with LDS "History" as the wacko militia groups around the country have to do with the US Army and Constitution. These were just 2 crazy brothers who perpetrated a heinous crime. In the history of the church, has there ever been any documentation of people being killed for "honor" because they failed to live up to some coventant or promise to the church? I'm not aware of any. Even if it were 1%, if it were not sanctioned by a Stake or GA council, it could be discounted as someone acting alone.

    I question the timing and motive of this movie. I saw an interview with Howard and Hanks RE Angels and Demons on CNN where they were laughing about the question of whether it was important to depict the truth. Hanks said "this is for entertainment and not important to tell the truth".

    So our culture and beliefs are to be twisted for "entertainment value". This would never happen if we were Jewish.

  • Fuzz Springville, UT
    July 21, 2011 12:44 a.m.

    What are you guys afraid of?
    Are you afraid of the truth?
    LDS history has a lot of bad in it.
    These freak fringe groups stem from the bad.
    It is what it is.

  • Sarah B SLC, UT
    July 21, 2011 12:16 a.m.

    I remember when the story actually happened and I did not like his retelling of the story at all. Not all authors twist the truth. I saw a documentary recently about a pair of RM brothers who murdered as dismembered 5 people in Northern California. Their membership in the church was key in telling their story, yet Aphrodite Jones made it very clear that their upbringing and family beliefs were not mainstream Mormon, even though they went to church every week and on the surface seemed to be a typical LDS family.

  • JNA Layton, UT
    July 20, 2011 11:48 p.m.

    I have many Catholic friends, I have attended Mass with them, I have participated in numerous Catholic weddings and funerals and I have read and seen the DaVinci Code and Angels and Demons. I thoroughly enjoyed reading them, they were entertaining and I appreciated the writing and the acting etc. It did not change my positive opinion of the Catholic Church one bit. Being an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I do not worry about this movie and the the lack of accuracy that will undoubtedly be part of the movie. People with half a brain will see it for what it is, Hollyweird entertainment. Those who somehow go to learn something about my religion are already set in their ways and have the negative feelings about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The movie would change that in any way. I don't take the directors, actors, producers of Hollyweird seriously. They live in a fantasy world where they have to do anything to validate their existence, so I say, let them come. They have no where else to go. I use them to be entertained...period.

  • CWEB Orem, UT
    July 20, 2011 11:04 p.m.


    Ron Howard and Tom Hanks had better watch their steps, they may well find themselves in opposition to the good in the world. There isn't much good left, and all this story is--adds up to a few men who were psychologically disturbed--and they once happened to be name only. Tying anyone who is psychopathic to the religion they happened to belong to is a very dangerous practice. It has no correlation whatsoever.

    Sad Mr. Howard, very very sad. But all children are innocent when young, they don't always stay that way. Hanks and Howard have been brainwashed by Hollywood, now becoming Hollywood's stooges...

  • eagle651 Chino Valley, AZ
    July 20, 2011 10:45 p.m.

    I pray that the Holy Spirit will be on the set during the filming and and have a spiritual influence on them. .
    LDS brother

  • MoJules Florissant, MO
    July 20, 2011 10:40 p.m.

    Sounds terrible.

  • eagle651 Chino Valley, AZ
    July 20, 2011 10:26 p.m.

    There is no god going to tell the entertainment industry what they can say.
    God should be the director. However, it seem Satin writes their scrips with no regard for content. The Lord has no influence on them.
    I find it hard to believe they can dare mock the Lord and sleep good at night. You can not serve two masters.
    The film industry is very vain, worshiping only itself. Glorified with money and awards.
    Ron Howard has a very good tract record, would hate to see him down grade himself in front of the Lord. Maybe the awards and money has a greater draw.

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    July 20, 2011 10:11 p.m.

    Great book by an excellent author!

  • SL Rexburg, ID
    July 20, 2011 9:16 p.m.

    Religion in general is in decline, and secularists have latched on to Mormonism as THE case study in weird religion. The problem that detractors will repeatedly run into, however, is the actual fruits of this supposedly weird religion. Mormons will continue to rise in influence as they shake their heads in disbelief. Some once said, success is the best revenge.

  • MAYHEM MIKE Salt Lake City, UT
    July 20, 2011 8:48 p.m.

    Nice, Ron. . . Quite a journey (downwards) from your innocent days in "Mayberry" to Krakauer's sleazy pseudo-history.

  • Munk Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 20, 2011 8:44 p.m.

    Maybe it is me, but I find the timing of this a bit odd, Could it be the fact that there are two LDS gentlemen running for the Presidency? That is just a theory. Tell you what though, I have no problem with the making of this film but in all fairness how about a non LDS film about something positive in regards to Mormonism?

  • Seattleview Federal Way, WA
    July 20, 2011 7:41 p.m.

    Anything to do with "fringe groups of Mormon history" is all the rage anymore.

    If Ron Howard is fair they will heavily emphasize that these groups are "splinter groups" and have nothing to do with todays Mormon church. Of course, that will not happen.

    I would like Ron Howard or some capable producer to do a movie about Orin Porter Rockwell. Even if they embellished his reputation as a body guard of Joseph Smith it would make for a fun movie. Of course, I am not suggesting that it be untruthful.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    July 20, 2011 6:55 p.m.

    Lived very near to where this took place. Heard very intimate details about these killers and their, well known, history from their close neighbors. Anxious to see how this incident will be portrayed on film.

  • Motappin Sandy, UT
    July 20, 2011 6:15 p.m.

    Great. Funny how nobody talks about the religious beliefs of other maniacs who aren't LDS. Anybody can go crazy: Baptist, Jewish, Catholic, Athiest, Republican or Democrat.

  • IV_XX Salt Lake City, UT
    July 20, 2011 5:59 p.m.

    Awesome. Can't wait to see Ron Howard's treatment of this Krakauer work. Hopefully it will come across as well as Krakauer's "Wild" adaptation from Sean Penn.

  • UGradBYUfan Snowflake, AZ
    July 20, 2011 5:44 p.m.

    I doubt it is going to be objective. It is ironic how the writer of a book that criticizes religion, and the LDS church in particular, because of irrationality, uses a ex-Mormon writer to write the screen play for the movie made from the book. That doesn't very rational unless someone has an axe to grind!

  • Ethel Home Town USA, UT
    July 20, 2011 5:27 p.m.

    I cannot think of a more disgusting movie to tell or write about. It is too close to home for those of us here in Utah. Even though is was back in th3 80s, it is too sensitive of a story to portray in any case.

    It will just show how misguided people can be and believe to justify what they did to harm an innocent mother and her child. It will probably be an "R" rated movie, nonetheless, it will still be gruesome and desensitizing at the same time.

    Ron Howard has many great movies to his credit, and it is beyond me to understand why he would take on such a project and controversial subject. Yet he has the right to do that, undeniably.