I would agree with you if we weren't in the middle of a critical fight for the
economic and fiscal life of our country. You don't change pitchers in the
middle of the World Series and this is not the time to ditch the most effective,
respected, and influential Senator this state has ever seen just because you
think he's got too many gray hairs!
@LDS Liberal: thanks for your response. Life is good v evil. It is
black and white. There is right and wrong.What's interesting for you
as a "Libertarian" is that you don't proclaim the virtues of
Libertarians. None of your posts show us the way of a Libertarian. You don't
subscribe to black and white, right v wrong, good or evil. But all my
Libertarian friends are pretty much in favor of those things.Your
posts fall perfectly in line with modern-day Liberalism.Since you
seem to place yourself on this super high pedestal, maybe you should be trying
to convince us of your beliefs and party instead of constantly criticizing those
who don't believe like you.What do you have to offer everyone? Why
should we come to your party? Can you help all the "crabs" out of the
bucket or are you the one who sits in the bucket pulling everyone back down into
the bucket?Again, if it looks, walks and talks like a duck, it's a
duck. Libertarian? not by your posts
Hatch and Bush made multiple mistakes including Iraq and the economy.
@Charles | 9:25 p.m. July 18, 2011 The Greater Outdoors, UT @LDS
Liberal proclaims, "FYI - I've never voted for him...and I'm not a
Democrat."And yet every single one of your posts is slamming
Repubs/Conservatives and extolling the virtues of the Democrat platform.If it walks and talks like a duck, it's a duck.======================= I've learned over the years that most
Conservatives tend to be Black&White, All-or-Nothing, GoodorBad, Bi-Polar
type thinkers.The movie "Pleasantville" comes quickly to
mind.FYI - There are 52 different Political Parties in American
today.FYI (b) - I'm registred Libertarian.
Homebrew, Democrats do not know how to balance a budget. Your reply? But
Clinton balanced the budget! Yes he did after being forced to by Newt and the
Republicans. By the way, the budget was never balanced. They took welfare and
Social Security off budget. The budget was never balanced. They made it look
balanced but it never was. The last actual balanced budget was when Nixon was
president.I would say, don't go off half cocked where Hatch is
concerned. 36 years is a long time. He has the experience. His age is a
concern, and his health. He will have a powerful committee assignment. He's
worked with Democrats thereby not a good conservative. He has consistantly
scored over 90% in scorekeeping by conservative groups. I just
don't see anyone in Utah right now that could do a good job replacing him.
Jason likes to see himself on TV. Mike Lee is a one note Senator (so far).
Read Hatch's book "Square Peg". It is interesting reading.
I agree. Seniority is over-rated. Definitely time for Sen. Hatch to retire.
@LDS Liberal proclaims, "FYI - I've never voted for him...and I'm not a
Democrat."And yet every single one of your posts is slamming
Repubs/Conservatives and extolling the virtues of the Democrat platform.If it walks and talks like a duck, it's a duck.@Gr8dane: it
was actually a very nice ceremony where Bennett was released with a vote of
thanks for his service. The problem was he was in denial and refused to read the
writing on the wall.If it would have been Hatch last year and
Bennett in 2012, Hatch would have been booted and Bennett would be claiming to
be a conservative to save what he perceives as "his" seat.Hatch would do himself a favor and release himself instead of seeking for
power again and again and again.
Well, no politician is perfect, and I certainly get irritated with Hatch's
celebrity worship and spending time on things like steroids in baseball, etc.
But overall, he's worked tirelessly for Utah, and we should be more grateful for
his service and influence. He has done a lot for our state; to do a list would
be very long. Utah already unceremoniously dumped one Senator to the curb;
losing a lot of seniority and influence. Washington is a rough and tumble place
and a small state like ours will always get the short end of things unless our
political officials have seniority and experience. Hatch has one more term in
him, and possibly a powerful chairmanship of Finance Committee, which will make
him able to really help Utah. To have two wet behind the ears senators (no
disrepect intended) will have our state behind the eight ball for many years to
@Grover: that was one of the funniest posts I've read in a long time. Thanks for
the chuckles tonight.I'm so glad you use detailed cogent arguments
instead of one-line slogans that have no factual basis at all. But hey, who
needs facts when they can't understand the COTUS. Government to provide for all
citizens? That's as funny as it gets.Thanks again for the chuckles
tonight. I won't have to watch Leno or Letterman.
P.S. Mike Lee is doing just fine making a big dent in the status quo in
Washington. Just thought I'd throw that in for those of you who are less
observant about his impact in the current debate.
Do I have to come in there and shake you all by the lapels? Forget his record,
forget his conservative creds or lack thereof, forget the Tea Party, one simple
fact is undeniable. Orrin Hatch will be 78 years old on election day next year.
No one that old has EVER been elected in Utah to ANY elective office. Am I
against senior citizens for suggesting it? My 89 year-old father told me a year
ago, "He's just too old."
Mr. Cundick, you know what they say about those who assume things?I've written letters to congressmen over the years (and yes, senators are
congressmen too), Senator Hatch is the only one who has not only answered me
right away, but he also did his homework above and beyond what I hoped for.He's a national treasure with lots of class. We have two young men in
the congress (Chaffetz and Lee), they seem to be good guys But they aren't as
classy as Hatch. For example, Chaffetz tells off-color jokes at delegate
dinners. He doesn't seem to have the sophisticated sense you'd expect We need Hatch in there at least one more term since he will have a more
advantageous position regarding our nation's budget. Bennett would have had a
good position this time too, but the movement to just get new guys in there was
too strong.It was probably meant to be to have Lee in there, but we
need to have at least one senator in there with experience.
I just smile about the enumerated powers argument. Cant laugh about it anymore
because it has stopped being hilarious. I am just glad that people have outlets
to vent their views. Better to have this than the alternatives.
Mike Richards | 10:38 a.m. July 18, 2011 South Jordan, Utah re: LDS
Liberal,I will NEVER vote for a person whose platform encourages
people to look to Washington for ANYTHING except for those things ENUMERATED in
the Constitution. I will NEVER vote for a person who believes in the
redistribution of wealth.Senator Hatch has been the lessor of two
evils for years. ===================== You are too
funny....C'mon, be honest -- Just tell us once and for all that
you've never EVER voted for Orrin Hatch, and I'll be quiet.But, I
suspect you are guilty of voting for time and again, hence YOU are the problem
in Washington -- just admit it.FYI - I've never voted for him...and
I'm not a Democrat.
Hatch has been in washington overseeing this budget crisis. For 30 some years.
The country has gone to hell under Hatch's watch. Replacing him with Karl Marx,
Wimmer, or Cant kick Chaftez would be stupid. We need more democrats in
washington. People who know how to govern, get things done, and know how to
balace a budget, Republicans do nothing, stand for one thing, taxcuts, and their
policies have never worked, and never will.
Not weary of Hatch! Senator Hatch has an excellent track record. Rather than smear, point out the mistakes he has made, and show how you
would have done better.Do young people have the wisdom that comes
with long experience, or the interpersonal network? Even when exaggerated
self-opinion insists?How many commenters voted Hatch into office 36
years ago? If you want change, elect Obama! Oh, already happened.
What was the result? Change for the sake of change.Unfocused restlessness.Your data point.
I was weary of Hatch after his first term, and I was a volunteer for his first
election effort. He did not do what he said he would do, and that was that he be
Put up a Republican who believes that life begins at birth rather than ends
there. Who feels like it is the obligation of the nation to provide for its
citizens since its citizens ARE the nation. Put up a Republican who shies away
from the government making private decisions for its citizens that have been
fully lawful for nearly 40 years. Give me a Republican who shies away from
making himself a one person arbiter of what the Constitution does or does not
allow. Give me a Republican who rejects slogans (redistribution of wealth),
talking points (lower taxes is the answer to all that is wrong with America),
and cares about all its citizens rather than just those who can contribute to
their reelection coffers,then I will vote and campaign for them...in fact I
have since all of those things used to be beliefs espoused by mainstream
Sen Hatch does to many tax breaks for the rich, then dumps the Elderly, poor,
middleclass, Veteran's, homeless, disabled, sick under the bus to rot, for more
pork and earmarks for the rich only and big business. WHY THEN would Utah want
to "keep him around" for another 50 years?. Salt Lake was one of only
two U.S. cities to make Fortune's list of hottest business hubs in the world.
Then we learned Utah ranks fourth in the nation in home foreclosures. Maybe the
secret to prosperity in this economy is to live in your office. It's time to
dump Hatch into The Great Salt Lake, to see if "his kind" floats in
it, or sinks, like Bennett did.Write on Hatch's black board 1,000
times two word's, "YOUR FIRED." Have a beautiful day Utah,
I know I will here in Florida today.
No one outside of Utah has a "dog in this fight". Their opinions may
be interesting, but they have no vote in OUR elections. What they say may sway
us, but we need to think for ourselves. When we elect a Senator, he is
responsible to represent our STATE in Congress. He has equal authority with the
other 99 Senators in Congress.We often forget that principle. Every
State has two Senators who represent that State. We don't have 100 Senators who
are somehow ranked according to how long they've been in office. We don't have
100 Senators who are "more" able to represent their State depending on
how much money they have in their 'war chests'. We have 100 Senators who where
elected to EQUALLY represent each State in the Union.Mr. Hatch may
want us to believe otherwise. People outside Utah may want to influence our
votes, but WE, THE PEOPLE OF UTAH will decide who represents us in the Senate.
That is not what the Constitution prescribed, but that is what the Amendment has
left us. Mr. Hatch is not the best candidate for the job. Other
people are MORE qualified than he is.
Many, many of us are weary of those who so constantly inform us they are
"Weary of Hatch."
Hatch, meet the Ghost of the Gipper . In the case of revenues, both parties
have a shared interest in long-term corporate tax reform. The assumption has
been that if the code could be simplified by doing away with tax expenditures,
rates could be reduced, thereby generating new economic growth and more
revenues. This long-term approach is one taken by the so-called "Gang of
Six" bipartisan group in the Senate, but these senators have also been
willing to discuss more immediate revenue-generating changes up front, impacting
how standard tax deductions and tax brackets are adjusted each year for
inflation. The rich diversity of Reagan-era tax changes is most striking,
impacting even such conservative priorities now as the estate tax. While
lobbyists, filthy rich bureaucrats, and RINO/Moderate/WacoPatriot's/GOP
politicians come together, along with persons like the billionaire Koch
brothers, The Patriot Act's money laundering provisions, where are they today?.
Rep. Michael Oxley removed a provision involving money laundering from the
bill at the behest of the White House and GOP whip Tom DeLay, under pressure
from Big Tobacco. DID YOU write a amendment to add it back into it yet
Hatch?.Then, "YOUR FIRED."
I mostly want to sit back and see what people have to say about my comments. But
why do some of you assume that just because I think it's time for Senator Hatch
to retire I'm automatically a supporter of Jason Chaffetz?Tea
Partiers weren't the only ones in favor of change last time and they're not the
only ones this time, either. I, too, was disappointed that Senator Bennett was
not replaced with someone more moderate than Mike Lee. But Senator Bennett's
time was clearly up, too.Let's just make sure that this time around
we don't have a convention so dominated by the far right that they get their
candidate nominated without a primary. I don't think Mike Lee would have made it
against a more moderate candidate in a primary. I don't think Jason Chaffetz
will, either. That's why I'm hoping that a number of strong candidates will step
forward and provide attractive alternatives. Don't be intimidated by Hatch and
his big war chest. There are a lot of us anxious for a breath of fresh air!
re: LDS Liberal,Put up a Democrat that believes in the Constitution,
that respects the unborn, that knows that the function of government is to
provide the bare necessities for the NATION, not the people, and I will consider
voting for him. I will NEVER vote for a person whose platform demands that we
kill innocent unborn babies. I will NEVER vote for a person whose platform
encourages people to look to Washington for ANYTHING except for those things
ENUMERATED in the Constitution. I will NEVER vote for a person who believes in
the redistribution of wealth.If you know that the Democrat party has
eliminated those points from its party platform, then please tell us, otherwise,
any candidate who aligns himself with those points has already told me that he
doesn't want my vote.Senator Hatch has been the lessor of two evils
for years. This year he won't even be on the ballet.
The right wing is weary of Hatch.And the rest of us are weary of the
I too am very weary of Hatch. The seniority argument has been the ticket for
Hatch all these years and we all fell for it but we've finally woken up. His
seniority has helped make the country go bankrupt because he became blind to his
own ambition to be reelected. Look at Michelle Bachman and others that have had
great influence as freshmen. Even if you don't agree with her she has more
influence than Hatch has ever had. Look at the difference between when he ran
for President and those wanting to vote for her.
Deja vu all over again, Hatch playing the old man card and commentors calling
for his ouster more regularly than a day of the week. I say this, be careful
what you wish for and why is Chaffetz the only choice we have? It really is too
bad we have no opposition party.
After 36 years in the Senate, everyone else but Hatch would agree that he IS the
Government. What we have today he helped create. It is time to let someone
(anyone) have a shot at changing things. If the replacement is not effective or
is worse than the incumbent, he or she can be replaced. It is easier to defeat a
one term Senator that one with the fundraising clout of a six termer.
Hello Utah, and the DN moderator that hides my truth's, because I tell it like
it is, because no one else in Utah will tell the truth's. This is MY VIEWS, not
yours. Thank you Robb Cundick, I could not agree more with you. "AND I
QUOTE": I am weary of the argument that Utah will lose influence if we do
not return Hatch to Washington. There comes a point where one has to say,
"Enough is enough. It is time to give someone else an opportunity."
I strongly suggest that Sen. Hatch, along with his symptoms of (delusions,
hallucinations), wake up and smell the coffee, (not tea), and, look up what
these two word's really mean, "TERM LIMITS". If you can vote for Bush
one year, then the next election for Obama and then go back to John Boehner
you're not Independent, you're schizophrenic. And for you that don't know what
schizophrenic is, because they never tought that at BYU, I'll tell you.
Schizophrenia is a group of severe brain disorders in which people interpret
reality abnormally. Schizophrenia may result in some combination of
hallucinations, delusions and disordered thinking and behavior. Trump would say, Hatch, your fired.
Thirty-six years ago, Senator Hatch used a similar argument in defeating
three-term Sen. Frank Moss.=============== 1. Frank Moss
was a Democrat, and new comer Orrin Hatch didn't have any experience to
challenge Sen. Moss - so he pulled the "old age" discrimination
card.2. Republicans like Mike Richards | 7:36 a.m rant and rave
against Sen. Hatch, yet they are the very ones who re-elect, and re-elect him
each and everytime.
What kind of a personality keeps lusting for power year after year? Term limits
are in order... Bye bye Hatch.
While I agree Hatch should retire, the climate in Utah is such that his
replacement will be so extreme to the right as to make the alternative even
Is Chaffetz running for the Senate? When did he announce?The issue
is Mr. Hatch. Listen to him on radio interviews. We all get old. Most of us
know when it's time to turn the technical work over to younger people who can
sift through complex data faster than we can. Mr. Hatch is slowing down
mentally. He has to think even longer than I do. That is the reason that we
retire in our sixties. He is past retirement age. Utah has MANY qualified
people who can represent the State better than Mr. Hatch. He has had 36 years
to do the State's business. It's time for him to retire.Just listen
to him try to answer simple questions and you'll know for yourself.
"In recent weeks a number of letters have appeared expressing the urgency
of reelecting Sen. Orrin Hatch. Their regularity and uniformity leads one to
suspect they are part of a coordinated effort."Robb, couldn't
the same be said about those who write in nearly daily crying to get Hatch out
of office and replace him with Chaffetz?Once again I ask, what has
Chaffetz done? I want specifics. Tell me why he'd be an improvement
over Hatch. And explain to me why he won't end up being the exact same. The anti-Hatch movement seems coordinated by the tea party, those
outside of our state, and the pro-chaffetz ilk. I'm weary of people
like Robb who have plenty of anger towards Hatch (but without just cause). And
who want to replace him with popcorn (like Chaffetz) for no reason. I want a cure that will be better than the disease. Thus far, I haven't seen
the cures (like Mike Lee) be an improvement over diseases (Bennett).