Ala. churches lead opposition to immigration law

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  • the truth Holladay, UT
    July 16, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    RE: My2Cents

    It is NOT unconstitional to challenge the laws of the land.

    otherwise the ACLU and many many othgewrs would be way out of bounds.

    It is not unconstitutional for ANY GROUP, including religious ones, to speak up in the public square,

    that is a foundational freedom.

    Speaking up is not making the laws.

    The is no separation of church and state.

    The 1st ademmedment says we are top free speak up.

    we are free to live our religion.

    and congress, CONGRESS, can not interfere, nor show favoritism for/or against a "an religious establishment", IE. group, organization, club, church. business, etc.

    no separation is mentioned nor intended, read your history! there was once plenty of religion in government,

    until this silly invented notion of "separation" was rammed down our throats,

    But we as individuals and as groups, or any type organzation, there are no descriptors given in the 1st admendment, are free to speak up.

  • My2Cents Kearns, UT
    July 16, 2011 6:34 a.m.

    More misguided people who are being told lies and deceptions. More illegal foreign nationals creating terrorism and inciting riots.

    Some one has confused right of national sovereignty as a civil rights issue. The rights being violated is by illegal aliens shooting their way across our borders. Immigration laws are our right and a declaration of our sovereignty and the right to protect our land from invasion from foreign nationals and their government leaders.

    And it is unconstitutional for any religion to confront or challenge the laws of the land or our government. Religions have no right to interfere with or tell government how to run its business. Maybe its time to take these rogue terrorist religions churches to challenge and arrest their leaders for violating the law of separation of church and state. Why isn't the ACLU involved to challenge the religions to stop their violations?

  • boricuan8 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 15, 2011 11:42 a.m.

    I hate to burst your bubble, Arioch1, but the definition of alien is not what you apparently think it is. Websters dictionary defines an alien as, a foreigner, esp. one who is not a naturalized citizen of the country where they are living, which is not as negative as you want to make it. By refusing to call these people "immigrants" and insisting that they be called "aliens," it's obvious that what you are trying to do is dehumanize them. By calling them aliens, it is easier for you to justify the cruel treatment we inflict on them. By calling them aliens, it makes it easier for you to sleep at night. For me, these illegal aliens as you call them have faces, personalities, and souls. They are not emotionless invaders from another planet, but brothers and sisters who, like us, are trying to make a better life for ourselves and our families.

  • boricuan8 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 15, 2011 11:33 a.m.

    If you think that the greatest of all commandments is to not covet, you are sadly mistaken. Coveting is an interesting sin, one that I think we are all guilty of at some time in our life. We all want something we dont have, whether it be our neighbors boat, our friends new car, the latest iPhone that everyone around us has, etc. What these people covet is a life without fear of being killed walking down the street, a life with the ability to put food on the table and shoes on their childrens feet. Yes, these aliens do covet. But I would say that their coveting is much nobler and selfless than our petty coveting of material possessions. They do it for their starving families. Would you not do the same? I know you would. So would I. All I know is that somebody who was very important seemed to think that the greater commandment is to Love thy neighbor as thyself.

  • Arioch1 TRENTON, UT
    July 15, 2011 7:31 a.m.

    I have to laugh everytime I hear "What would Jesus do or say". Jesus taught us to live by the laws of God and the Laws of the land. Yet illegals do neither when they break the laws of the land. They break the 10 commandments by Coveting what their neighbor has. They steal their neighbors Identity and jobs. The sad thing is that the legal people of this country are expected to turn a blind eye to what illegals are doing and are expected to be "Christian" while the illegal is not Being "Christian". There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant. Never has been and never will be. The Federal Governemnt calls those who come here uninvited as Illegal Aliens.

    Sad thing is that those who are for illegals try to justify the illegals actions with christian values, while the illegal breaks both Gods Laws and mans Laws. God gave us the ten commandments and illegals break these all the time. They break at least 2 of the 10 commandment when they come here. They Covet and they steal. Basically there is no such thing as an "Honest Illegal". An honest illegal would not be here.

  • Tom Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 14, 2011 6:31 p.m.

    All of us "illegal Americans" should be throwing stones at our "illegal immigrant" brethren. We are so good and righteous people. We all break laws all the time. Only the self righteous can not accept that fact. By your definition of not obeying the law 100% we all all "illegal." Most of the illegal immigrants that I know are better students and neighbors and church members and "citizens" than us legal citizens. But I have watched these comment boards long enough that I do not expect people who, if they were able to be honest with them self, would have to admit that at least part of there motivation for taking the position they do is hate to ever own up to that fact.

  • boricuan8 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2011 12:57 p.m.

    Please try to understand that illegal immigrants are human beings. Mark my words, if we continue to treat our brothers and sisters in this manner, we will be accountable to God one day. The legislations that are being passed in state after state are going to be a bigger black eye on our society than the Japanese internment camps during WWII. Is that really what we want our generation to be known for--xenophobia? We can't even give a ride to a poor mother carrying a child by the road in the sweltering heat?! I know it's been said repeatedly, but it obviously can't be said enough--what would Jesus do? What would Jesus say? Oh, wait, we know what he said. I seem to remember something in the Bible about a good Samaritan who, although he was just as despised and marginalized as the subjects of the article, aided (and abetted, too!) someone who had fallen by the road, bloody and beaten. I can tell you one thing--if a law like this is passed in Utah I am one person who will not pass by while my brothers and sisters in need suffer by the wayside.

  • granolagirl Draper, UT
    July 14, 2011 8:20 a.m.

    Lol, there is a MAJOR difference -

    Black American citizens in the '60s had the legal right to reside in this country.

    Non-American citizens that are here illegally DON'T have the right to reside in this country.

    Is it really that difficult to understand, DN?

  • patriotandmore Spanish Fork, UT
    July 14, 2011 7:06 a.m.

    Comparing the civil rights movement with illegal immigration should have been expected from the DN.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    July 13, 2011 9:33 p.m.

    Co-opting and adapting the civil rights movement to the illegal alien crisis is a shameful practice.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    July 13, 2011 5:55 p.m.

    In the attempt to redeem themselves from past transgressions, they are not taking the time to realize they are two separate issues.

    It's not about race, it's about following the laws of the land and coming here illegally. It's the only way immigration can be fair to people all around the world.

    It's interesting how the churches pick and choose the same Biblical teachings, and leave out those that are just as relevant, but support the enforcement position.