Papa Smurf Ute,You are putting a LOT of words in my mouth. I never
said I would prefer the Kraft bowl to a BCS bowl. I never said a BCS bowl was
worthless. It would be nice to be in a BCS bowl game, and even better to win
it. It's just that being in a BCS bowl is not the best standard of football
success by which to compare yourself. Boise State did not make a BCS bowl last
year, but they were at least as good as half the teams there.In
summary, a BCS bowl is a nice achievement, but the BCS itself is not all that
great or fair in what they do. BCS bowl games would be much more meaningful if,
instead of having mostly champions of AQ conferences plus a couple at-large
bids, they just simply do the top 10.I stand by what I say even if
(or when, most likely) BYU goes to a bowl game. I don't agree with the BCS
system as it is, and I certainly won't talk it up like it's the best thing. A
BCS bowl win is always less than a national championship.
Howard S -I second the reply of truecoug1- (I can't say it
better)"@Howard S. "Guess I'm just puzzled about how your
comments and schadenfreude support the mission of your athletic program..."...to contribute to the mission of the LDS Church through the visibility
of our positive example..."You know, someone once said
"Tolerance is the tool of the mischievous and the undoing of the
weak."The Church will tolerate criticism to a point before they
make their stand.I do, too.I'm sorry that I bite back
and that it offends you, Howard...but I'll only tolerate so much before I jump
to the defense of my school.I bleed blue, and I don't apologize for
that :)"I guess your smack is more to you than good fun :) It's
just fun to me.Go Cougars!
Did I miss TJ Fredette's performance at Media Day? I thought he was donning the
argyle sweater one more time for another impromptu Rap concert that was going to
be streamed live from the Jane Clayson Media Center.
Hedgie...Sorry guy I know just how lonesome you are out there on the edge
of the Great Black Swamp...and even I am going to be leaving you behind you when
I retire in Sept and return to Utah County. Oh and by the way. I won't have to
watch all 10 BYU games on ESPN and possibly Oregon State as well. I have my
season tickets for the home games. There's a lot of trees out there
in... around... and on the edge of the Great Black Swamp. There's always one
falling somewhere so you take care little dude...and forage in the open.
Re: Snack Pac & VeritusLooks like I hit a sore spot for you
two. Relax!! Maybe it's more like 50 of the 55 million households have no idea
nor do they care that they have access to BYUtv. Does that make you two feel
@Howard S. "Guess I'm just puzzled about how your comments and
schadenfreude support the mission of your athletic program... "...to
contribute to the mission of the LDS Church through the visibility of our
positive example..." You know, someone once said
"Tolerance is the tool of the mishchievous and the undoing of the
weak." The Church will tolerate criticism to a point before
they make their stand.I do, too. I'm sorry that I bite
back and that it offends you, Howard...but I'll only tolerate so much before I
jump to the defense of my school.I bleed blue, and I don't apologize
for that :)Go Cougars!
Veritas Aequitas Of course Dave S. has no data to back up his
assertions. Why worry about facts when you can just make stuff up? Like the
gazillions Utah is getting from the PAC 12, even though they have to raise
student fees and ticket prices.
I have to work today - stupid job. But my DVR is set for 3 hours of BYUtv today
full of Cougar goodness. Now, where do I find 3 hours to watch tv. My throat
is a little scratchy, maybe I can find 3 hours this Sunday.
Dave S | 10:42 a.m. July 12, 2011 Holladay, UT "The article
says BYUtv is available to 55 million homes yet 54 million homes probably have
no clue they have this channel or have access to it or better yet don't even
care."===Yeah, can you somehow back up that 54 million
number?Do you have names, or any evidence of what you posted?Otherwise, why post something you clearly have no idea about?
No question, BYU will surpass Utah in exposure this season; it won't even be
close. BYU still has to deliver on the field, however, for all of that exposure
to pay off.
@Dave SBYU's backup broadcaster, BYUtv, is already online and
available free in 55 million homes and available through online streaming
worldwide.Utah's main broadcaster, the PAC 12 network, is still in
development, and will only be available by subscription.
Dave SEVERY BYU opponent that plays on BYUtv will be introduced to
BYUtv.Like a small stone cut out of the mountain without hands
rolling forth to fill the earth!
The article says BYUtv is available to 55 million homes yet 54 million homes
probably have no clue they have this channel or have access to it or better yet
don't even care.
Looks like Ute fans are glued to BYU TV....welcome aboard.
hedgehog"hmmm, So bronko says winning the "state"
championship is most important...."Actually, Bronco said his
goal is to win the National Championship. I think you have a problem called
selective listening where you hear what you want to hear.10 games on
ESPN, with the likelihood that Oregon State will likely be on it to, leading to
11 games. Add that to the bowl game and BYU will have 12 games on ESPN!
BlueCoug"BYU will be right in there with the SEC guys; when all
of the stats come out, BYU will be right at the top of the heap." This is EXACTLY what BYU was hoping for when they decided to go independent.
BYU hasn't played their first game as an independent and already independence is
a HUGE success!----hedgyNo, Bronco didn't
say winning the "state" championship is most important. He said
winning the "state" championship is the first goal. He said the
ultimate (translated "most important") is winning a NATIONAL
championship.It's nice to see that you're following BYU media day
@ Hedgehog,Thanks for watching and helping BYUtv's ratings. Like I
said earlier, I knew you would be watching since you are BYU's biggest fan! I thought the media day went well so far. Interesting to hear the BYU
might have the tallest group of receivers in the country. Should make for some
Riverton Coug,When and IF the Y gets to a BCS game, you cannot talk
or say anything about it, along with all the other little Y fans since the BCS
games are so bad, & not prestigious. You guys all talk about having an
easier road to a BCS game as an irrelevent, yet you bag on them every chance you
get. So by all BYU fans own logic, making it to a BCS game, playing in one,
& winning it means nothing. So you would rather play in the Kraft Fight
Hunger Bowl as a 7-5 team then huh? Sounds good. I will remember this IF the Y
ever gets into a BCS game, then talks it up like it's the best thing ever. The
key there is IF, which with only having a tough Sept every year, then a weak
schedule after that. I agree that it should be national championship or bust,
but only 2 teams every year can do that, & it's tough to go undefeated. A
BCS game is the next best thing, & the Y still has never been to one. So
dont talk down the BCS games when you have never been.
hmmm, So bronko says winning the "state" championship is most
important....Bwhaaattt??Did bYu just move down to the
High School level? As far as I know there is no "state" championship
in college.Funny, it sounds like Bronko just created his make
believe conference.... might want to let Utah and Utah state in on it.
Thats right, BYU is on TV and Utah only has like 1 game on TV, I sure hope you
have your tickets cuz that is the only way to see a game this year, unless you
have espn, oh wait Utah doesn't.
Howard SWhat a laugh@Howard S. "Are such displays
of bitterness, envy, and schadenfreude consistent with the mission of the
athletic program you support?"Why is it when ute fans (and
liberals for that matter) attack someone, who then defend themselves, they claim
the moral high ground and say if we were true to our standards we wouldn't be
defending ourselves?I got news for you. You attack me, me school,
my religion, my team, I'm coming at you with both barrels.I adhere
to the Porter Rockwell school of Mormonism. Stand tall, saw off the shot gun,
and ask, "you want a piece of me?" Ever heard of the
Dave Brown on television exposure, "BYU will be right in there with the SEC
guys; when all of the stats come out, BYU will be right at the top of the
BYU continues to move up and away from the MWC. Remember, some of you, how you
were boasting about your need to throw yourselves a PAC party and why wasn't BYU
throwing an independence party. ESPN is throwing BYU a party today. Kind of like
the one the TUN had on July 1st only with a few million more people.I
wasn't going to mention it but since so many of you are already here...
ESPN VP Dave Brown, "Our schedule was lacking because we didn't have BYU
on. Now they'll be a big, big part of our lineup."
Just watching the Media Day coverage and saw that 10 football games will be on
ESPN! 10! Man, it's good to be a Cougar.
ESPN just announced that ESPN networks will be carrying TEN BYU games this
season - seven games are already committed to ESPN channels!
Tomahawk Red BYU already won a national championship without the aid
of a major conference.BYU already won a Heisman Trophy without the
aid of a major conference.BYU already signed an exclusive 8-year
contract with ESPN without the aid of a major conference.It took
LaVell 5 years to crack the Top 20, 8 years to win a bowl, and 12 years to win a
national championship.Bronco is already ahead of that schedule.
NO MORE mtn!
Tomahawk Red Two very reasonable questions, reasonably asked.
Thanks for visiting!Some Utah fans, by definition Utah trolls, like
saying someone who has never been out on a date with a girl will never go out on
a date with a girl. So much fun to be had with that analogy, but I will leave
it to my creative brethren on both ends of the Wasatch front to build on it."Why is it that every time one of these "BYU ESPN"
articles comes out, Y fans bounce off the walls with excitement?"BYU fans ARE excited! Something I don't seem to sense from the fans on the
hill (although in fairness, because it requires a case of EXTREME boredom to
drive me to the Ute articles, I really don't know). BYU fans don't go off the
wall until the trolls show up on ESPN articles and, as with everything else
Blue, try to explain it away into non-existence.Finally, yes, you
are oh so right. The NBC deal hasn't helped ND win more games, but they are
still Notre Dame. You have to admit, things are changing for BYU, but correct,
ultimately what matter happens on the field.
Must be a slow day in sports for the world leader. Woman's billiards, pro
bowling tour, skeet shooting and an Independent meeting. Big advertising dollar
day. I'm excited! Will Larry Scott be in attendance?
@truecoug1@cougarNV"...we do not bash...but when we do,
we win!""...part of the fun.:)"*********Guess I'm just puzzled about how your comments and schadenfreude support the
mission of your athletic program... "...to contribute to the
mission of the LDS Church through the visibility of our positive
And why is going to the Pac 12 better?I simply just want to see BYU
on TV and this is by far greater than I could have imagined.
Why is it that every time one of these "BYU ESPN" articles comes out,
Y fans bounce off the walls with excitement?Aren't you guys aware of
the ESPN deal BYU signed? It's a foregone conclusion that BYU will be on ESPN...
yet you keep acting like it's a surprise.On the other hand, Utah
does not have an ESPN deal. Therefore, we will not be on ESPN as much as BYU.
The point of all this is, we get it. You're gonna be on ESPN more than us... the
same way we're gonna be on Fox more than you.However, this is not
how they determine winners on the field. Just thought I'd let you know.
Uteanymous" Although membership in an AQ-conference would be
nice, BYU doesn't need AQ conference membership to bust the BCS ceiling"As evidenced by?That's like saying someone who has never
been out on a date with a girl doesn't need any help dating a girl.The history says otherwise. And for BYU football to get to the BCS, they can
use all the help they can get.
I must confess I'll be watching it on ESPN3.com tomorrow.
Howard S. | 9:44 p.m. July 11, 2011 Taylorsville, UT "The
BCS is the biggest stage of college football..."===I
thought the biggest stage of college football was having one game on Versus...
@ Howard 11:09proverbially U can dish it out, but....If
these comments were being made on a U article by Cougar fans, that might not be
consistent. But throwing back smack at those who sling it from their
"bitterness, envy ..." is part of the fun. :)U will have
your future dictated to you by your new conference. The Cougars will have fun
shaping their own future.Go Cougars!
@Howard S. "Are such displays of bitterness, envy, and schadenfreude
consistent with the mission of the athletic program you support?"Elder Bruce R. McConkie said: "Brethren, we do not bash, we do not bash,
we do not bash...but when we do, we win!" So, in answer to your
Howard S. ---- Sarcasm detection Fail!
@truecoug1"...looks like the PAC 12 has your bib all ready for
U."*************Are such displays of bitterness, envy,
and schadenfreude consistent with the mission of the athletic program you
@hedgehogHey hedgie, remember how a while back you were raving about
Travis Wilson being so much better than Tanner Mangum because ESPN had TW as the
36th best QB and Tanner as the 70th?Just for fun, you should check
out the ESPN recruiting home page tonight...guess who'll be staring right at
ya?Yup, Tanner Mangum, who is now a 4 star recruit and ranked as the
19th best QB in the nation, according to ESPN.But Travis Wilson is
still really tall, so U have that going for you :)Go Cougars!
@Howard S. "Utah has been invited to the BCS party. If they win in the PAC
12 there will be plenty of exposure."Why does Utah have to win
in the PAC 12 for it to get exposure? Those two BCS wins weren't enough?!
That's so weird! I mean, Utah fans have been telling us Cougar fans since 2004
that BCS wins are the "end all, be all" of college football!So why does Colorado, who is 34-49 since 2004, have more games on ESPN AND on
TV this year than Utah?Enjoy the high chair, Howard...looks like the
PAC 12 has your bib all ready for U.Go Cougars!
If hedgehog comments on a BYU article, is he still a jealous troll and a
dummy?If Howard S. trolls on a BYU article, is he showing is little
brother syndrome?Funny, the hicks on the hill keep saying that BYU
has no national following or national brand. Yet those at ESPN who have been
involved with and covering BYU's independence and ESPN partnership have kept
saying that it is a feasible and beneficial move by both parties because of
BYU's brand and national following. ESPN knows that BYU has a HUGE
national following that will be tuning in. ESPN also knows that pathetic sissies
like hedgehog and Howard S. (aka The Haters or Little Brothers,) will also be
tuning in, not only in hopes of seeing a BYU loss (good luck with that,) but
also because the Utes are nowhere to be found on national TV this season.
@little howie"Does BYU with their national brand-lite expect to
do better in independence than Notre Dame?"Yep, in due time and
sooner than U think and definitely before the Utes.
@TrollPoliceAcceptance?Utah has been invited to the BCS
party. If they win in the PAC 12 there will be plenty of exposure. If they lose
they will still collect a $30 million check for being at the party.If BYU loses, they will quickly become invisible and irrelevant collecting a
pittance from the self proclaimed world wide leader. BYU seems to be
trying a little to hard to simultaneously show that they belong at the BCS party
while pretending that they don't mind at all being left out.
More people will see BYU's media day than will see Utah's season opener.
Howard S. | 9:44 p.m. July 11, 2011 Taylorsville, UT@Riverton
Cougar"It can't get any better than the BCS!********Right you are...The BCS is the biggest stage of college
football... that's why BYU desperately craves BCS approval and acceptance-----Kind of like how you're craving approval and acceptance with
your multiple posts on a BYU article?
Howard S.Approval and acceptance are obviously in short supply up on
the hill -- see ABC/ESPN PAC 12 schedule for 2011.Fortunately for U,
a team that really does have national approval and acceptance was kind enough to
throw you a bone.
@Riverton Cougar"It can't get any better than the BCS!******** Right you are...The BCS is the biggest stage
of college football... that's why BYU desperately craves BCS approval and
UU32ESPN 3 - BYU Football Media Day: Legends Roundtable Panel - Tue,
Jul 12, 03:00 PMIt's easy to think of MANY former BYU football
players who would fit into a BYU Legends Roundtable discussion.But
who would Utah invite to a Utah Legends Roundtable discussion since Utah doesn't
have a single player who's ever won a national individual award and there isn't
a single Utah player in the National College Football Hall of Fame?The vast difference between a legacy program and a program that's only had a
couple of great seasons.
The BCS is so prestigious! Every year 10 teams get to play in one of these
coveted bowls. Not 2, but 10! And not necessarily the top 10... sometimes even
unranked teams get in while top 10 teams are left out. But that doesn't hurt
its prestige at all! After all, a team in a BCS conference with 4 losses is WAY
better and more exciting to watch than a Boise State team that lost only one
game by 3 points in overtime to an almost-undefeated team! I mean com'on guys!
It can't get any better than the BCS!
UU32"Article about media day turns into a bashfest between Utah
trolls and BYU trolls."The media day is strictly for BYU. It
has absolutely nothing to do with Utah, how except for Utah being one of BYU's
opponents. So please explain how a BYU fan "trolls" an
article about BYU's football media day.Second, why are Utah fans,
who have supposedly "moved on," still trolling BYU football articles?
So predictable. Article about media day turns into a bashfest between Utah
trolls and BYU trolls.
@ Howard S.,Sure. Why not?Lately (BCS era), ND's
football prowess has waned (lots of reasons, most having to do with coaching),
while BYU's has risen, especially since Bronco took over the helm.Long-term history is fun to look at and beat your chest about. ND fans can do
that. And should. It's deserved.However, recent history is more of
an indicator of what's to come. BYU's past several years shows it'll be more
competitive over the next few years than ND.Recent history is kinda
why Utah's going to have a rude awakening in its first year in the Pac-12. Its
recent history shows that it can't win on the road against Pac-10 teams.BTW, NO BYU supporter, including BYU staff, believe BYU's cache is up to
par with ND's. We respect their history.We're just going to go about
making our own during OUR independence!
National brand?What good is it if it can't get you to the big stage
of college football... you know... the BCS?Notre dame is a national
brand. Notre Dame has a legacy that makes the BYU mini-legacy pale in
comparison. With all that branding and legacy Notre Dame has a
mediocre 58% winning percentage in the BCS era. Does BYU with their
national brand-lite expect to do better in independence than Notre Dame?
Correction; meant to say "... in the top 10 or even 15 (BCS rankings
BYU's chances of getting a BCS bowl, even a championship shot, are better than
Utah's over the next half decade or so because the Utes are in an AQ conference
and BYU is independent.Don't understand? Here:> Utah
has to deal with the likes of USC and Oregon to get there. EVERY year. Little
chance they'll get past two or more schools of that caliber in any given year.
The SAME BCS teams will confound Utah's chances every year.And,
Utah's road record vs Pac-10 schools over the last two decades is dismal. That
won't change any time soon.> BYU will have enough BCS teams on
its schedule every year to create a high enough SOS to attain a BCS bowl birth
if they are either undefeated or one loss (it being vs another top 10 team).And, BYU can get into a national championship game in this time span by
winning out AND having that year include beating one or more BCS teams that also
finish in the top 10-15 (BCS rankings range).It's more plausible for
BYU to get to a BCS bowl sooner, because BYU doesn't have to face the same
Utes--Big brother wanna-bees, but still the little bro after joining the
PAC10.2:--> ...it'll be 100 years from now when Utah wins its'
first Rose Bowl...--> ...Going forward, however, Utah's football
program will look back to 2004 and 2008 as the only 2 significant years in their
football history, and wished they could have back their glory days of the MWC,
when they could reach the 10 win plateau once again...and defeat anyone in their
league. But wait, even during their 7 years of glory (that abruptly ended after
their 2010 season) they still managed to lose to everyone of the bottom feeders
of the MWC brothers, especially that 0-27 debacle against a 2-10 UNLV squad in
2007...--> ...until the day that Utah surpasses a 7-6 record in
the PAC10.2, they will continue to fight to remain out of the basement of the
PAC10.2 with their basement buddies WSU and/or Colorado...It will become the
norm for Utah Football for years to come...
Cougars -- Utah's Best Big Brother--> You do realize, don't you,
that USC is the only PAC 12 team that has ever won a concensus national
championships (#1 in both polls)?--> BYU's move to independence
only seems "panicky" to Utah fans who are scared to death that BYU's
move to independence has the potential to overshadow Utah's move to the PAC 12
-- we've already seen that with television scheduling--> Although
membership in an AQ-conference would be nice, BYU doesn't need AQ conference
membership to bust the BCS ceiling--> The ceiling does exist for
Utah, even though Utah fans are too blind to see it -- no PAC 12 team is going
to get a BCS championship game invite if two teams from the SEC, Big Ten, or Big
12 are undefeated; even mighty USC, ranked #1 in both polls, was shut out of a
BCS championship game; Oregon, in 2010, is the only PAC 12 team besides USC ever
to play in a BCS championship game, and only then because there was only one
undefeated team from the SEC, Big Ten, and Big 12
-->...It will be getting more exposure and TV revenue than ever...However, as long as the current BCS structure remains in place, the best way
to reach the BCS and/or the national championship is to play in an AQ
conference, which gives Utah a significant edge, even disregarding the fat
Pac-12 paycheck...-->...Going forward, however, Whittingham has a
slightly more established staff, highlighted by new offensive coordinator Norm
Chow (whose predecessor, Dave Schramm, had plenty of good years and remains on
staff). Mendenhall, on the other hand, shook up nearly all his key staff during
and after last year's 7-6 disappointment, anointing himself defensive
coordinator and promoting quarterbacks coach Brandon Doman to offensive
coordinator. The moves seemed a bit panicky...-->...until the day
BYU either gains AQ-conference affiliation or the sport's postseason model
undergoes a radical restructuring, it will always face a ceiling that no longer
*raises both hands*
Raise your hand if you will be streaming this all day at work tomorrow.Hedgy? Christy B? It's okay to admit it.
For those who care,...I was in the store today where they were
showing football highlights on all their big screen TVs. I got the football bug
bigtime! When I got home I decided to watch the New Mexico Bowl which I recorded
but had never watched.After watching Heaps and Van Noy and Quezada
& Hoffman & Co, and hearing of the positives of the changes at coaches
and attitudes, I AM STOKED for the coming College Football season!!!!!Go Cougars!!!!!! I know when Ground Hog Day is, but when is Hedge
@HedgieIf a tree falls....yada yada yada.......Utah
still won't be a National School with a National Brand, enough to merit 7 ESPN
broadcasts, so far, as BYU already is doing.Utah is a nice Regional
Commuter School, without the College Town experience.Salt Lake Mayor
just proposed a Sister City agreement with Pullman Washington.What's
up with that?
riddlemethis | 4:16 p.m. July 11, 2011 Clearfield, UTThat was
Just for fun, I went to ESPN3 to check it out and BYU is all they are covering
tomorrow! They are the top two featured events coming up! This ESPN deal is as
sweet as it gets!
Christmas in July, fellas!
As they say "if a tree falls in the forest...." I'll
finish that. "If a tree falls in the forest, it may fall at the bottom of
the u on the hill, forcing true fans of their school who don't spend all their
time bashing others to paint it white to create a new letter on that little
hill." Granted, it won't look like the true Y on the mountain, but SLC
needs one of those too for true fans in that area. Thanks for being a fan of
the big Y!I have a break from school and working, so I plan to watch
all morning on BYUTV!
I can't begin to describe my feelings as Media Day is almost upon us.
Twenty-five years ago, I lived in Palm Beach Florida and this was the totality
of the BYU coverage I was able to find (Palm Beach Post): "Robbie Bosco
threw for 317 yards and two touchdowns as number-seventeen BYU beat Wyoming
33-10."That was it.Today, Saints around the world
will be as close to the Cougar athletic program as those living in Provo. We'll
be able to watch football in March and basketball in July. And hopefully, Cougar
baseball will be televised often and it can become as important as the football
and basketball programs.Special times, these are. Special times
hedgehog | 3:43 p.m. July 11, 2011 Ann Arbor, MIAs they say "if
a tree falls in the forest...."If the DNEWS writes a BYU
article and hh doesn't troll it, was the article actually written?
Hedgie what happen if a tree falls on ESPN? I know you'll be
watching tommorow to find out. You can resist...you are becoming a cougar fan...
This is historic. I know I will be watching. I want to see how it differs from
WAC and MWC media days. I want to see if they discuss the broadcasts at all
(i.e. who will be the broadcasters? Will advertising be like other programs on
BYUtv?, etc.) To be fair, the article said that only portions of
the event will be covered on ESPN, but I'm going to be huddled around my
TV/computer catching all that I can while enjoying a frozen treat from the BYU
This is going to be fun. A lot of work tommorow is not going to get done!
Obviously you heard hedgie....and responded very first. And I bet you'll be
watching too being that it is on national TV.I'm glad BYU is doing
using their resources for this media day. Should be fun to hear from everyone.
As they say "some village is searching for..."As they say
"when you live in glass houses..."As they say "when
you have to prove your better than someone else..."As they say
"but we have 2 BCS wins..."As they say "we're better
than you..."As they say "but, but, but..."As I always say "I would still rather be a cougar, that to be u..."
As they say "if a tree falls in the forest...." make sure
you're not a hedgehog standing under it!BYU's media day is being
covered by ESPN and BYUtv. Any BYU fan in the world will be able to watch it
live or via replay.Will Utah's fans have that kind of access to
Utah's media minute?
As they say "if a tree falls in the forest...."