The role of faith in the founding of America

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  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    July 3, 2011 8:26 p.m.

    That's not at all what I was saying, HCB63.

    But I guess if you can not respond to what I was saying you might as well pretend I was saying something else. Does that usually work with the people you discuss issues with?

  • HCB63 Orem, UT
    July 3, 2011 2:47 p.m.

    Thank You for reinforcing the point that history is rewritten to accomodate views that contradict inconvenient historical facts. Well done!

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    July 3, 2011 12:18 a.m.

    Maybe so HCB63, but also maybe those history books that you are referring to from pre 1860 are the ones that got it wrong. Why would you assume that they would be correct in their interpetation of events? Because chronologically they were closer to the founding of this country? Unless they were actually in the room when decisions were being made they would not have any more insight then modern historians. Sometimes with history it is easier to get a full view of something when you are a few years removed from. In other words trying to write a history of our current times would be difficult because of all the emotion surrounding issues. But in a few years time historians will have access to all the documents of these times, as well as a little space to get a broader perspective.

    Current historians have a wealth of documentation, writings, and letters from the founding of this country.

    Besides, it is very clear, with a reading of the Constitution, that nowhere in it is there ANY mention of Christianity. You would think that if the founders intended a Christian nation they would mention it.

  • sergio Phoenix, AZ
    July 2, 2011 11:52 a.m.

    America was build on a foundation of slavery, in todays world that doesn't seem very christian. The few founding fathers who did consider themselves christian would not recognize the supposed christian of today, who can not even agree amongst themselves as to what they are, or what is a christian. Today it is politics with a holier than thou twist. Perhaps things haven't changed all that much.

  • HCB63 Orem, UT
    July 2, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    Up until the 1860's history books included the religious aspect of the founding of the US. Religion was a common, publically accepted attitude and was, in one form or another, a prevalent way of life in post-colonial American society.
    It was the rise of secularism that caused history to be rewritten, and of historians who would distort the truth to suit their personal interpretation of events that became the real catalysts for the exclusion of religious reference amongst the Founding Fathers.
    Todays secularists would have you believe that the supposed "Separation of Church and State" is an actual Constitutional emplacement in law; when in fact, the Jefferson letter only coined the phrase as a matter of clarification. No where in the Constitution are the words "Separation of Church and State." They don't exist. Supreme Court rulings of the late 1800's and early 1900's popularized the phrase amongst those seeking to further rewrite history to a more convenient, secularist interpretation, and to instill their selfish individual views upon the populace as a whole.
    Anyone wanting to learn the REAL history of the US has only to do their own research and to not rely on history that has been rewritten.

  • Florien Wineriter Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 2, 2011 6:47 a.m.

    Many people apparently do not realize that the phrase "under God" does not mean 'christian' nor does it mean a personal deity concerned with the affairs of this world. Deists, agnostics, Budhist,ect. use the term "God" in a much broader term that refers only to a non-human universal power.

    Tthe phrase 'one nation under Jesus' is probably what Christians would prefer.