Compatible couple: BYU, West Coast Conference have great deal in common

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  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    July 2, 2011 8:41 p.m.

    I didn't realize Holmoe worked at Stanford, but knew he'd coached at Cal...

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    July 2, 2011 9:36 a.m.

    I Still Can't Say It ... then don't. I've yet to read anything from you worth reading. Come back to the boards when you're old enough to actually attend either school.

  • I Still Can't Say It Holladay, UT
    July 2, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    Cougar fans, that's fantastic you're exited about the WCC....

    The moves perfectly show the difference between the two schools. One thinks small (WCC) while the other thinks larger than life (PAC-12).

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    July 1, 2011 9:50 p.m.

    BYU is about to become a whale in the backyard pond.

    I do not mean to say that the WCC is not a solid conference, but there is no question BYU sports would be better off in a conference like the BIG-XII...if they are after true athletic competition rather than mere championships. But Texas is not likely going to be pushing for conference expansion and we know how the Pac 12 feels.

    Once the Cougars went indy in football, they took the best available for the rest.

    Good luck Cougars.

  • Jack Winters Provo, Utah
    July 1, 2011 3:59 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar

    Don't worry about feeding the trolls. Some boomerang trolls will return no matter what. They just can't resist the impulse to blather on. It makes them feel important.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    July 1, 2011 3:55 p.m.


    OK ... that was funny. That was an extremely diplomatic way of disagreeing with me. Enjoy your weekend.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    July 1, 2011 12:49 p.m.

    "HOUSTON Embattled scouting service owner Will Lyles told Yahoo! Sports that University of Oregon coach Chip Kelly personally approved a controversial $25,000 fee that sparked an ongoing NCAA investigation and was in constant contact as Lyles provided the Ducks with recruiting assistance that may have violated NCAA rules."

    Howard S; Uteology; etal:

    Whatever it takes to win, huh? Have fun in the Pac.

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    July 1, 2011 9:38 a.m.

    Speaking of "boomerang children," thanks for your interest in BYU athletics, Howard. You almost made it a full day without commenting....

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    July 1, 2011 9:30 a.m.

    The WCC is not an ideal fit. They were the only viable option at the time. However, the way they handle league revenue sharing is acceptable to BYU.

    TX does not like the big 12 playoff as they tend to almost lose to NE and other teams too often. They do not care about the playoff revenue as they have other sources. They care about getting ranked as high as possible and the playoff game in the past has not helped them a lot.

    There is still some chance of a new super league forming with TX leading the first super league. BYU is more likely to get included in that IF it happens. It would be hubbed around TX, OK and A&M. The problem is where does TX get the other teams? The PAC, SEC, and Big10 will have great TV contracts making it hard to raid the good teams of those conferences.

    If the BCS implodes then they may be some incentive to reorganize some of the power conferences.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 1, 2011 7:31 a.m.


    I had an interesting premonition about recruiting the most honorable of the best non-lds athletes when the news broke about the devoutly catholic linebacker that just committed to the Y. Here we are, about to increase exposure on the west coast 100 fold.

    Unless of course the reason the WCC wants us is so their catholic schools can have a better chance of recruiting the best of the Utah LDS athletes...

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 1, 2011 12:10 a.m.

    BYU in the WCC is about as good a fit as Lady Gaga at point guard for BYU BB.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 30, 2011 11:42 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar:

    I fully expect BYU to dominate WCC competition...

    After all.... it's the WCC, not a real athletic conference.

    Do you think those future WCC conference championships will further BYU's proselytizing efforts among your new conference mates?

    Oh and remember, let's not feed the trolls. It only encourages them.

  • man of few words Salt Lake City, UT
    June 30, 2011 11:29 p.m.

    And "like a boomerang child" Howard S. is back making his dire predictions and criticisms about BYU.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    June 30, 2011 10:38 p.m.

    "It won't take long before BYU's new WCC conference mates hold them in the same contempt as any of their former MWC/WAC conference mates."

    So Howard, are you suggesting that BYU will win almost 50% of all the conference championships in a short period of time? That's very flattering! Thanks for recognizing BYU's athletic program!

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 30, 2011 7:56 p.m.

    It won't take long before BYU's new WCC conference mates hold them in the same contempt as any of their former MWC/WAC conference mates.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    June 30, 2011 7:10 p.m.

    Let's not forget USF, though they have been down for quite a few year they have had some great teams and great NBA players come out of there.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    June 30, 2011 7:06 p.m.


    It is a true delight to my heart that you follow BYU so much to know all the information you provided.

    A true BYU fan at heart, but it is safe with me, I will not expose you to your Utah friends...we will keep it between you and I.

    Please, try to keep that same knowledge about Utah as it joins the PAC 10.2 even when it becomes discouraging and embarrassing.

    Remember, even if the information is humiliating, still having knowledge is a good thing.

    Good Luck

    ps. Very quietly and just for you and I...GO COUGS

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    June 30, 2011 5:40 p.m.

    Where do you guys get the right to think your better than Boise St? they have been to BCS games and won. BYU fans come marching in like, "we are better we deserve better because we have members of the church all over the country and they will come watch us". The problem is regardless of your record the last 5 years or so you haven't been invited.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    June 30, 2011 5:36 p.m.

    @ fresnogirl | 3:19 p.m. June 30, 2011
    Fresno, CA

    Nice comments because you seem to be a very kind person. However, BYU athletics deserves to be in a major (BCS) conference. Independance in football (once the schedule gets beefed up) should work out great (for exposure not sure about BCS access), but the other sports really deserve to be in a conference superior to the WCC.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    June 30, 2011 4:39 p.m.


    Sure why not, worked for Boise when it found 3 wheels o missing. But then again Boise was moving up while BYU was moving down.

    No plans to replace Fresno and Nevada? Didn't the WAC just expand?

    @Counter Intelligence

    Just like classy thing for BYU to do would have been to let the MWC know that it was doing backdoor deals with the WAC. It would also be classy for you not to make up stories about attending Ute games.


    I agree, every school will do everything in their best interest. Just like USU with trying to get BYU into the WAC from the backdoor, only to be punked by the MWC.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 30, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    I have a hard time understanding why top teams in a conference can like the idea of a conference championship game. Here's why:

    1. After going undefeated in the conference, a team could end up losing to a one-loss team from the "other side" (upsets happen). That then nullifies their year's worth of work. Just because the one-loss team beats the undefeated team doesn't mean they'd do so 2 of 3 times. In other words, winning once against a team doesn't prove you're better FOR THE YEAR--just for that game.

    2. The conference championship game is just one more chance to get key players injured, which can affect the outcome of the future bowl game.

    So, why WOULD the Big 12 want to expand to 12 just for that game? Doesn't make any sense.

    Personally, I like it when one team stands above the others in its conference and gets the better bowl game.

    Thus, I really like BYU's independence, because that puts them in the driver's seat without worrying about a conference championship game getting in the way.

    Remember, years ago BYU lost out on a BCS bowl when Oklahoma upset their conference leader.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 30, 2011 4:30 p.m.


    The ONLY way BYU goes back to the MWC is if they come begging and make several concessions for broadcast rights, and there is subsequent political pressure on BYU from LDS Church headquarters to go in and support a likewise invitation to Utah State.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 30, 2011 4:27 p.m.


    BYU brings to the table MUCH MORE than TCU, SMU, Houston, Memphis or some of the other silly propositions (Boise State, San Diego State, UNLC) you often hear about.

    More than likely the Baylor AD is playing coy since there is tremendous political pressure in Texas to add Houston, something Commissioner Dan Beebe and the Big-12 president DO NOT WANT to do. Baylor has actually been one of the biggest proponents of adding BYU to the Big-12 in the past.

    Btw Sirius Satellite Radio just sent out an email adding BYU Radio to their lineup.

  • AZJazzFan Gold Canyon, az
    June 30, 2011 3:56 p.m.

    I predict this conference affiliation will not last long, even perhaps as little as 2 years. BYU is just passing through. BYU would jump at an invitation to the Big 12 but that may take some time. I would not be surprised the MWC may come back inviting the cougs for all sports sans football.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    June 30, 2011 3:28 p.m.

    @SLC BYU Fan
    "If you're attempting to portray BYU as a revenue gamble".
    I'm not trying to portray BYU as anything. I was just curious what you thought BYU would bring to the Big 12 table. Your answer " the Salt Lake television market" is fine, but I don't think the Big 12 wants it.

    Last week, an article on the Big 12 "a year later" reports that all members are very happy. The Baylor athletic director said expansion is not even on the radar. "It's a non-issue".

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    June 30, 2011 3:19 p.m.

    I was very impressed with the WCC's commissioner when I heard him speak last Summer. I am happy to be part of that Conference. I, honestly, don't care if anyone not affiliated with my school likes the move or not. I think it's a good move. I think Independence is a good move.

    You can agree with me or not -- I don't care either way.

  • LEDSFW Las Vegas, NV
    June 30, 2011 3:03 p.m.

    Comments that BYU levereged way down completely ignore the realities of how the WCC and MWC stacked up in other sports. In Basketball, it could be argued that below Ganzaga and St. Mary's you had a lot of B-Leagers, but in fact most of those teams have had pretty rich basketball traditions. A league that sees basketball as it's primary focus is a lot better than some of you might think. The real butter hits the bread in other sports. The WCC is equal to or superior to the WAC and MWC in almost all other minor sports like vollyball, tennis, baseball, softball and golf. You might think basketball is a step backwards but at least BYU will no longer be embarrassed by New Mexico which will subsequently lose early in the tournament. Ganzaga is better than any MWC program and has been for 10 years. St. Mary's is as good as BYU, UNLV, SDSU or New Mexico. I believe with BYU IN THE LEAGUE other programs will step up a bit as well. San Francisco, Santa Clara and pepperdine have good basketball traditions and I think they improve now.

  • LEDSFW Las Vegas, NV
    June 30, 2011 2:54 p.m.

    Just that list of who's who from basketball would make one heck of an all-time all star team. I have been advocating BYU had more in common with the WCC schools than the WAC and MWC schools for years. I think this is the beginning of a great long relationship that will benefit BYU and also benefit each of those other wonderful institutions a lot. Great move!

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    June 30, 2011 2:42 p.m.

    BYU could be attractive to Big12, but Texas would seem to be the hinge on that one. Either Texas would want BYU around so they can emulate BYUtv or not want them around because of BYUtv. BYU is in a very enviable position right now, shared broadcast rights with ESPN and their own network. 140+ live sporting events or rebroadcasts on BYUtv this sports' season alone, 60M+ homes have access to BYUtv, what school in their right minds wouldn't want that? It's why Texas is trying to build their own network right now. The great thing about BYUtv is that it's not there just to make money, it's there to increase exposure. Once Texas' network is going it'll just become a part of the rest of the top-tier sports options on cable/satellite systems. Any Big12 invite will be heavily scrutinized by BYU and its Board.

    I agree with earlier comments about undergrad qualifications. Both BYU and the U have bettered their standings, but way back in 1991, my frosh year at BYU, BYU's average ACT score was 7 points higher than the U. Both have bettered since then but BYU maintains extremely high standards for enrollment.

    Go Cougs

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    June 30, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    1. As a BYU fan, I admit the WCC is not want we wanted.

    2. Kuddos to the U for their acceptance to the Paac 12.

    3. Independence in football will work much better than our affiliation with the WCC.

    4. Any notion that the U has a better athletic department makes me laugh (MWC championshipsover the last 10 years: BYU 142, Utah 41)

    5. BYU sells more 10 X tickets around the country than Utah.

    6. Aside from Football and Gymnastics, Utah is going to be totally embarrassed in the Pac 12. Count on it!

  • Jake2010 orem, ut
    June 30, 2011 1:19 p.m.

    Further FYI is that in 1944 Utah actually lost to Kentucky in the NIT which made it even possible for them to play in the NCAA at all.... Now, prove me wrong! :) Fact is that in 1984 BYU won a championship based on going 13-0. They didn't have to lose in order for the NCAA title to be placed on their shoulders.

  • bigutefan Las Vegas, NV
    June 30, 2011 1:15 p.m.

    Where and what time is the big party for BYU joining the ever so powerful WCC conference tomorrow?

  • Jake2010 orem, ut
    June 30, 2011 1:13 p.m.

    Just an FYI trolls the Utah basketball championship is the equivalent of winning the NIT title. Back in the black and white days that Utah had their 'championship' the NIT was where it was at and that is not where they played. Do a little research to see if Utah's 1940's championship is as big as BYU's 1984. Then, go ahead and troll away.

  • JustintimeY Boise, Id
    June 30, 2011 1:11 p.m.

    JustGordon, I am glad utah has some history in Basketball because right now that is all they have, history. The utah basketball team is in shambles right now and may take several years to get it back to any respectable level. It is funny hearing Utah fans bash BYU for talking about 1984 Football when history is all utah really has in Basketball in the Present!!!

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    June 30, 2011 12:56 p.m.

    Mediocrity is when you never make it into the NCAA tourney. I remember an Ainge led team played Ralph Sampson's Virginia in an Elite 8 game. BYU lost. They still show highlights of the last second drive by Ainge to beat Notre Dame in the Sweet Sixteen. We are still looking forward to making a Final Four. Cougars don't always get the highest ranked players but they get the most out of them.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 30, 2011 12:55 p.m.


    The expulsion from the AAU makes Nebraska now looks like the adored stepchild in the Big-Ten at best. I highly doubt theyll ever get back in since at least one Big-Ten president reportedly was amongst the 44 votes tallied to boot them. Utah could get in there one day, but there will more than likely be further purging.


    The Pac-12 taking Utah was a much more significant revenue gamble if youre attempting to portray BYU as a revenue gamble for the Big-12. Texas has much more to gain in revenue with BYU being in the Big-12, than Stanford and California do with Utah in their league. Salt Lake City is one of the largest emerging media markets in the U.S. and all the data on broadcast listener and viewership as well as attendance point to BYU being the dominant team in this media market. Which is one reason why I see it coming along with the fact that the Big-12 needs BYU if they want Pac-12 level $$$.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    June 30, 2011 12:40 p.m.

    "They couldn't have dreamed a school like BYU would be available to add to the conference."

    Most rational people outside of u of u territory appreciate quality institutions like BYU.

    JustGordon: "Mediocrity and obscurity is what I see the Y and the WCC sharing."

    I know it's hard to see outside of the utah box you live in.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 30, 2011 12:14 p.m.

    @Veracity...When you have never made it to an Elite 8, a Final Four, the National Championship game nor been an NCAA men's basketball champion, when you are 14-29 in NCAA play, a .264 win percentage, when you are not in a major conference, play in gyms that are smaller than many high school gyms...when you have no BCS appearances ever in the 21st century and now no BCS conference affiliation and think that 1984 matters...that is THE definition of mediocrity.

    @ Veracity...When you have two BCS appearances and two BCS wins in the 21st century, are the original BCS buster and now a member of the conference of Champions...the PAC 12, when you are picked to be the favorite in the PAC12 Southern Division in your inaugural season, when you have more NCAA basketball appearances (27) than your little brother has wins, four Final Four Appearances, a National Championship in Men's D1 Basketball and a .538 win percentage (twice little brother's)...only those who choose to ignore the truth would argue as you.

  • Cougar Nation #1 Provo, UT
    June 30, 2011 11:53 a.m.

    As a Laker fan, Andrew Bynum never went to college. Is he a student there?

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    June 30, 2011 11:36 a.m.

    @SLC BYU FAN. Expand on "Big 12 needs BYU" I don't see it.

    CCG. The BCS doesn't require a CCG. It was an additional revenue generator, which they don't need anymore. The Texas AD never liked that game. They want to earn their BCS berth by winning in the regular season. They don't want their BCS slot taken by a mid-tier team that gets in by upset in the CCG (Kansas State for example).

    Revenue. They certainly wouldn't expand and dilute revenue. If you make the arguement that BYU could bring their share of revenue plus more... why would BYU do that? Stay independent and keep the money.

    Tradition. BYU will pitch "we won a NC in 1984". Since 1984, 7 Big 12 teams have won a NC. A big 12 team played in 7 of the 13 BCS NC games. They're doing fine on tradition.

    To get in, you have to convince Texas, assuring them that you won't dilute their revenue and you won't compete for their BCS berth. Taking that means taking Texas' money. Also, BYU would have to be successful the next few years. If that happens, BYU fans would say "stay independent".

  • GJ Greenwood, IN
    June 30, 2011 11:33 a.m.

    I really don't understand the comments from some people that the move to the WCC will be a major downgrade in competition from the MWC. In mens basketball the bottom of the WCC may be worse than the bottom of the MWC, but the top of the conference is very good and the bottom team last year (San Diego) does compete well and even beat Utah (that's not really saying much, I know). As far as the other sports, the only real drop off that I see would be cross country, as New Mexico and AFA (men) had really improved their performance over the past few years. Of all sports Cross Country and and track are the sports for which conference affiliation is the most meaningless. These teams train and prepare for nationals and it doesn't matter if they are part of a conference or not. Gonzaga has a much better women's basketball program than anything in the MWC, and women's soccer is much stronger in the WCC than in the MWC. Baseball will no longer be in the same league as TCU, which has an excellent program, but they were leaving anyway and the WCC is much deeper.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    June 30, 2011 11:18 a.m.

    SLC BYU Fan,

    That is very interesting that Nebraska got bumped by AAU. Every member of the BIG 10 conference is a member of AAU and I would think that played a role in Nebraska's entrance in the BIG 10 conference. I wonder if Nebraska is undertaking some kind of appeal process to get AAU affiliation reestablished or it they will work to get back in from scratch?

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    June 30, 2011 11:01 a.m.

    Did Holmoe just say that "BYU and the WCC are a good fit"?

    Seriously, does he think we are that stupid?

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 30, 2011 10:53 a.m.

    @Justintime Y:

    Youre very correct in your acceptation that BYU will be in a more stable and enviable position over the long term by accepting a Big-12 invitation when it comes. Boise State took the MWC offer knowing that if Utah, BYU and TCU bailed that Fresno State and Nevada (the best of the WAC), that the MWC would be the more stable alignment. The entire reason for Craig Thompson calling Utah State first was a blackmail ploy at BYU for which they called his bluff on and left anyway. In the end this will work out better for BYU since I think staying in the MWC would require a 2 year notice and more substantial reparation for departure. Nebraskas move to the Big-Ten more than anything messed up BYU merely replacing Colorado in the Big-12 line-up.

    The Big-12 has first tier rights expiring in 2016 and they will need BYU before then. I think Tom Holmoe would have firmed up more 2013 opponents by now if he didnt think or had solid knowledge that the Big-12 might invite them to play for that year.

  • SUNNY ALL DAY Saint George, UT
    June 30, 2011 10:17 a.m.

    Going Independent 1.3 is the best thing for BYU...

    Being a new member of the WCC is the best thing for BYU...

    Having all your bases covered is the best thing for BYU...

    As long as you keep winning. (Tom Holmoe)

  • jrhinomo Reno, NV
    June 30, 2011 10:06 a.m.

    Loyola Marymount/Bynum???

    They claim Andrew Bynum as a famous alum?!? Maybe he has taken some college courses there but he went straight from high school to the League. Bit of a reach from LMU.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 30, 2011 9:54 a.m.


    Oklahoma and Texas might have their wishes now to try the league for a season or two without a CCG, but many of the Big-12-2 sportswriters feel that will only last 1-2 seasons. There has even been some talk of taking BYU on as a standalone 11th school much the way the Big-Ten dealt with Penn State for 18 years.

    As for Utah joining the AAU, this is an organization that is actually talking about contraction more than anything. They expelled Nebraska last April, which has a few other schools looking over their shoulders. But Utah does meet the AAU criteria better than Nebraska having an on-campus medical school which generates massive levels of NIH and NSF grant funding. The fact that Utah has over 70 Ph.D programs is what makes it AAU viable. The caliber of the undergraduate student body at BYU is something however that many of the AAU schools envy and their presidents all wonder why BYU has only 25 Ph.D level programs (including LawJ.D. & Ed.D) programs? The latter more than anything is the official reason the Pac-12 would not consider taking BYU.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    June 30, 2011 9:46 a.m.

    I hope BYU stays in the WCC. They seem like a friendlier bunch of schools and a better fit than being in a conference with a bunch of secular schools who have a problem with BYU because they are religious and... BYU. I just wish there were some way to get Notre Dame into the mix.

  • Abeille West Haven, Utah
    June 30, 2011 9:39 a.m.

    Currently, ESPN projects 3 WCC teams to make next year's NCAA tournament - Gonzaga, BYU, and St. Mary's. And that's not all: Both San Francisco and Santa Clara have very good basketball teams that can challenge the top three. It's not just DeepBlue that's taking about the WCC being a three-bid league, Mesoute, many of the Sportswriters at ESPN and Sports Illustrated have been saying the same thing.

  • JustintimeY Boise, Id
    June 30, 2011 9:38 a.m.

    The WCC has already been a two-bid league with both Gonzaga and St Marys both making it in the NCAA tournament. The league has mostly been a one-bid conference but it has had 2 bids in the past. With the addition of BYU it is likely that the league would be a two-bid league most years with the possibility of three bids in a good year.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    June 30, 2011 9:18 a.m.

    The more I have analyzed this move of BYU non football sports to the WCC the more I like it and I believe it will work out very well for BYU and the WCC. It may be that BYU decides that they like football independence and the WCC for the other sports and just stays that way for a long time. I don't see the Big 12-2 conference changing much any time soon or until Bob Stoops (Oklahoma) or Mack Brown (Texas) leave their posts because both are on record as disliking and not favoring a conference championship game which is really the only reason to have 12 teams in a conference. Things appear to be working out well for BYU in either regard.

    Red Headed Stranger,

    You are a bit behind the times in regard to incoming freshman at the U. The U has started to significantly beef up its entrance standards and according to reports is making moves to gain admittance to the prestigious group of AAU universities. Arizona got there six years after joining the PAC 10 and Utah is on a similar track.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    June 30, 2011 9:13 a.m.

    Given the circumstances BYU acted in their best interests as did everyone else. USU, et al don't need BYU to look after them.

  • MESOUTE Karchaj, A.V.
    June 30, 2011 9:05 a.m.

    @ DeepBlue:
    Really? A two or three bud league? 2 perhaps in some years. Never three.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    June 30, 2011 9:02 a.m.


    "BYU left USU at the alter. The classy thing woiuld have been to back USU by staying in the WAC. After all is that why USU turned down the MWC offer."

    Classy selective use of facts.

    BYU's agreement to join the WAC in all sports except for football was contingent upon ALL existing WAC teams, except Boise State and Louisiana Tech, remaining in the WAC for at least 5 years. As soon as Nevada and Fresno State reneged on the agreement, there was no agreement.

    If you agree to buy a car from your buddy and when you return to pick it up you find two wheels missing and your buddy tells you he has no plans to replace them, are you still going to do the "classy thing" and buy the car?

  • JustintimeY Boise, Id
    June 30, 2011 9:00 a.m.

    For Football independence made the most sense and seems to be headed in a great direction to start. Playing Gonzaga and St Marys in basketball will be good competition. I think the WCC will be a two or three big conference with these three teams. I still hope that BYU will get an opportunity to be in a BCS conference and preferably the big 12 in the not too distant future. I think the Football team will do well with independence in both the short a long term but I think all other sports in the long term will need a BCS conference affiliation for continued growth. Don't mind independence and the WCC for now but this fan would prefer a big 12 invite for long-term stability of all BYU sports.

  • Red Headed Stranger Billy Bobs, TX
    June 30, 2011 8:00 a.m.

    "Mediocrity"? Hardly.

    From an academics perspective, the WCC is a step up from the MWC. Looking at the ACT and SAT test scores from the "old" WCC and comparing them to the University of Utah, the WCC comes out on top. For example, according to the College board website, the middle 25%-75% of BYU kids score in the 84 to 96 percentile. The U? 55 to 88. Yikes. Meaning? The higher end kids at the U score about the same as the lower end kids at the Y.

    The WCC kids scores are closer to the Y,
    Pepperdine 80-96
    Loyola 80-94
    USD 80-94
    Gonzaga 80-94
    Santa Clara 84-96

    The WCC admits high quality freshman and rewards them with a high quality undergrad education. Not mediocrity.

    PAC 10.1.1? I guess the Stanfords and Berkleys get balanced out by WAZZU, OSU and UU. Just sayin', no offense.

    By the way, wasn't the U having trouble verifying if its incoming Freshman had actually finished high school? Lest we forget the purpose of college is well, education.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    June 30, 2011 7:53 a.m.


    Mediocrity and obscurity is what I see the Y and the WCC sharing.

    I am sure you miss spoke, mediocrity and obscurity is what everyone sees with Utah in the PAC 10.2.

    I know this is what you ment to say.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    June 30, 2011 7:28 a.m.

    This was the best choice given the options. It is short term anyways as in the next 10 years there will be another re-alignment and hopefully a real championship series for football. In the meantime, I like the schools and religious affiliations AND the chance to build some bridges with these churches. Everything has a good reason in the end.

    As for USU - why doesn't their fellow state school Utah look out for its little brother?? USU wouldn't exist if it weren't for the revenues from BYU games.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    June 30, 2011 7:23 a.m.

    JustGordon | 4:45 a.m. June 30, 2011

    Wishing doesn't make it so.

    BYU will never be mediocre or obscure no matter where they play.

    Uteology | 5:04 a.m. June 30, 2011

    Classy? O.K why didn't utes have class and reject the pac10.2 invite to put pressure on the BCS?

    Because every school is going to do what's in their own best interest. BYU, UTAH, everyone.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    June 30, 2011 6:18 a.m.

    BYU sought to leverage its assets in football, and we will see if that happened. In the other sports, they leveraged way down.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    June 30, 2011 5:04 a.m.

    BYU left USU at the alter. The classy thing woiuld have been to back USU by staying in the WAC. After all is that why USU turned down the MWC offer.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 30, 2011 4:45 a.m.

    Mediocrity and obscurity is what I see the Y and the WCC sharing.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    June 30, 2011 12:13 a.m.

    Gonzaga and Saint Mary's will be BYU main competition in the WCC, but there are some other decent programs in the WCC as well. With BYU, the top of the WCC could be every bit as good as, if not better than, the top of the MWC, and the WCC will be a two- or three-bid league.

  • chubbuckidahocougfan Chubbuck, Idaho
    June 30, 2011 12:02 a.m.

    Boy I don't see any reason why BYU doesn't steamroll every team in this league in Basketball except for Gonzaga. Gonzaga is the only competition.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 29, 2011 11:55 p.m.

    That is great that the WCC was able to complete the deal with BYU within 2 weeks even though they had decided not to expand. I had thought that BYU initiated the contact after the WAC deal fell apart.
    It should also be mentioned that USU was the first school the MWC contacted but they turned it down. Classy, but it diddn't work out too well for them.

    Now the trolling about high school gyms and 10PM tip-offs etc.