Brad Rock: NBA players need a dose of reality

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  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    June 29, 2011 11:57 a.m.


    It would be easier to swallow if I was already being overpaid by 150% which is what is going on with player's salaries. The NBA is a business, not a government run social program. The owners want to make money not lose it. If 80% of the teams in the league are losing money then they have to take drastic measures. Teams like the Jazz cant survive in a small market paying the kind of player salaries they have to in order to compete with the big market teams like the Lakers and Heat who make disregard the salary cap because they can afford to pay the luxury tax.

  • shavbobster32 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 29, 2011 12:35 a.m.

    I have heard that NBA owners wanted to reduce players salaries by 40% of what they are currently making. Now if your boss called you in his office and said that this company has decided to reduce your current salary by 40% I bet a lot of the people that have said that the players need to take a pay cut, would fight that too. If you ask me NBA owners are just as bad as the overpaid players are in terms of greed. This is a job market for a pro athlete we should not put ourselves on high horses and say that one market needs to take a pay cut yet if the same thing happened to the same people who are complaining about this would do the same thing as these players are doing. I do think the players are greedy too but lets not forget about the owners that get state of the art arenas built that costs 100s of millions to build and get them for free because they go to the Mayor and tell them to either build it or they will relocate it makes me sick.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    June 28, 2011 7:53 p.m.

    All I know is that college basketball makes me fall asleep. Hope they get something done soon.

  • Jazz-Nation Lehi, UT
    June 28, 2011 7:27 p.m.

    Remember when a million dollars was a lot of money? I am your average small business owner, and I think I am doing okay if I clear 100k take home per year. These athletes are grossly over-paid, but unfortunately that is the way our society has made it. I am the fan that pays for those stupid season tickets every year, yet I have to be the one that loses out because some millionaire players are squabbling with billionaire owners. Whats wrong with this picture?

  • Irwin_M_Fletcher LOGAN, UT
    June 28, 2011 2:56 p.m.

    A previous poster stated: "I think it is unfair to ask players to put a cap on their earning potential but not also put a cap on the owners earning potential."

    I'm going to try this on the owner of the business I work for: "Sir, it is unfair that their is a cap on my earning potential in this business, but there is no cap upon yours!" I'm pretty sure I know what he'd say. He would ask if I put fourth any of the capital/risk in order to start the business. Did I invest anything? He would ask if I would be willing, along with the "cap on my earning potential" to also waive the floor on my loss potential - that is to say that if the company loses money, would I be willing to forego my paychecks as well? Afterall, its only fair.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    June 27, 2011 5:56 p.m.


    i think AK was given the contract...when he was, almost always the player who gets 5 on 5...he was at that time...our best player...he happen to be injury prone after that...

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    June 27, 2011 1:48 p.m.

    There is a difference between "some owner" and the collective structure of the league.

    If there is a hard cap "some owners" will not create a bidding war that tends to bankrupt the smaller teams as they try to create a team that may make the playoffs once in a while.

    The owners are divided. The current arrangement helps the super stars and the big market teams which is about 6. The rest of the league pays big time just for the privilege of being a supporting cast.

    Further, there are many people who watch the NBA in LA, NY, CHI who support teams other than the home town team and many casual fans who support more than one team.

    It is a myth that the big market teams have to win all of the time in order to max revenues.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    June 27, 2011 1:00 p.m.

    I haven't read one comment that has convinced me that the owners are NOT responsible for this mess. These are the questions no one can answer:

    1) Who is responsible for giving Kevin Garnett $125 million dollars? (some owner)
    2) Who gives players like AK a max contract when he's not an elite player? (some owner)
    3) Who often wants taxpayers to pay for their new arenas and threaten to leave if the city/county doesn't comply? (some owner)
    4) After doing things like #1 and #2 and after getting or threatening #3, who then jacks up the ticket prices? (some owner).
    5) And how many owners will skirt their new-found salary cap and do everything they can to get around it, make exceptions to it so they can win more basketball games? (some owners, some won't I suppose to and will continue to stink and whine about the "small market" excuse for not winning a championship--thank goodness San Antonio didn't go there for the sake of their fans).

    Every laborer, even a NBA player, is worth exactly what management is willing to pay. That's free market capitalism.

  • BYUte06 Beverly Hills, CA
    June 27, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    Even during the economic boom, it was a 50-50 split of teams that were "making money". However, owners still receive their $1-3M+ annual salary, so it begs the question if those losses are really absorbed, or mostly accounting metrics.

    Revenue sharing would help float small market teams, but would also decrease the operating budgets of the larger markets, who are generating more revenue. As a result, over-time the NBA will see a shift in cash generating assets (premium players, coaches, etc.) from large market to small market teams. This seems like a good idea (and perhaps is, from a fanbase perspective), but from the business side it could be argued it would result in a net decrease in overall revenue for the NBA. This results from a shift in premium assets in large markets (who can sustain the additional expenses) to smaller markets that do not have access to the same revenue streams (TV advertising, ticket sales, sponsorship).

    Large markets are what drive revenue. The LA-Boston finals generated a $100M TV deal based on the franchise's premium markets. I'm not sure a Milwaukee-New Orleans matchup could do the same, even if they had LeBron.

  • Jazz Source Alpine, UT
    June 27, 2011 10:33 a.m.

    I really hope the owners lock these players out and lower the boom on them.

    The salaries are a joke along with the protections of the contracts.

    There is a top tier of players that take the lions share and leave the crumbs for the bottom feeder players to pick up. If the union truly cared about the players then they themselves would still have a tiered salary scale but flatten it out. As it is the top 2 or 3 players get it all and the rest are make alot less relatively speaking.

    These bottom tier guys do not have long careers in the NBA with injuries etc and they are done in their early 30's and have to live a long time on what they made and they should be able to but these pathetic deals of 80-110 million dollar deals have to stop.....that is if the players union actually believes in a shred of what comes out or their own mouths....which of course they don't.

    They are all just fighting for more $$$ but when 2/3rds of the teams are losing money with the same 5 teams always winning every time?

    Lame. Fix it.

  • Pegan Ogden, UT
    June 27, 2011 10:13 a.m.

    Players don't have to take a pay decrease. All they would have to agree to is a hard cap. I as a fan want to see the hard cap in place because it insures my team can be as competitive as New York and LA for salaries. It would stop players from making agreements to meet up in a certain city like they did in Miami. That is bad for competitive basketball.

    Other problem that is killing teams is paying players after they are no longer working. Make the contracts so only part of the contract is guaranteed. If the player is injured, they only get the guaranteed portion, making it possible to pay someone else to come in and replace them. That keeps the team competitive.

    Hard cap on team salaries, and contracts that only pay a portion in guaranteed money. All the problems are solved.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    June 27, 2011 9:53 a.m.

    I have been thinking about Burks. He may be a major sleeper in this draft. He should play very good defense. He is working on his shooting and has good form and I am confident that improves substantially.

    The most interesting thing about Burks is that he might play PG. He is 6'6". If he is quick enough to break down small PGs, guard small PGs and if he can develop his shooting he would be an exceptional PG. There are 3 starting PGs who are 6'4" and the rest are 6'3" or smaller.

    The Jazz can start him out as the 3rd PG (insurance). They can let him play PG during garbage time and get a feel for it. It will take 2 years for him to develop but he could be a great PG if he understands the system well. He is one of the few players who seem to have the 6th sense of understanding how the plays will develop before they actually develop.

    The great PGs have that 6th sense. Add in his ball skills, shot creation, ability to attack the rim, and height and you have the makings of a great PG.

  • Shawnm750 West Jordan, UT
    June 27, 2011 9:27 a.m.

    Well, supposedly these players who make the most money are paid as much as they because they generate revenue. It seems to me that if they aren't generating as much revenue, then they shouldn't be paid as much money. Maybe the NBA (and most prop sports) should pay players on a profit percentage sharing mode. If the franchise does well, their pay goes up. If it's not doing well, it goes down. I think you'd see a lot of players start to step up and contribute more, instead of being content to sign a contract and then just ride the bench *cough* Carlos Boozer! *cough*

    If their pay were based on system like that, I believe a lot of them would really get a sense of teamwork. They'd realize what life is like for so many people like waiters/waitresses and other people who feel the bite in their income when the economy slows.

  • BP Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2011 9:25 a.m.

    Hard cap the salaries at $45 million, make it possible to put a franchise tag on one player per team, and watch the league become fully competitive and exciting again (the way it was in the 80s and 90s).

    Nice article, Rock.

  • UGradBYUfan Snowflake, AZ
    June 27, 2011 9:19 a.m.

    spudlydoright - I have not watched a pro sports game since shortly after the advent of free agency. Free agency has destroyed pro sports. I have not been able to afford the prices for pro sports since about 1990. I would say that both ends of the equation (players and owners) need to get back to reality.

  • Lone Star Cougar Plano, TX
    June 27, 2011 8:13 a.m.

    The market will work it out which could include a lock-out and such. If the owners really are losing so much money, then they should do something drastic. When it really starts hurting the player financially, then they will start talking. There is big money in show-business and this is what pro sport are and the market will set the prices. Things are out of kilter right now because of the down-turn and the lock-out is one way of gtting things righted.

    The earlier the players figure this out, the better it will be for them. The fans have a hard time listening to players whine about pay when there is no basketball or football to watch. They will make the players and teams pay for years afterwards.

  • Old Timer the boonies, mexico
    June 27, 2011 8:02 a.m.

    Just remember one thing fans, it's you and those that don't give a rats about pro sports that support and pay every single bill in these sports. One entity that all of you are letting off the hook is the media of this rotten run pro sports fiasco. Advertisers pay through the nose for advertising to the media and their ridiculous telecast contracts and bids, and every single item "everyone" buys daily from wholesale and retail Co's has been marked "UP" to reflect this cost of doing business and the media is 1st in line to collect the big bucks. I hope the seasons of all pro sports are shut down then the media can suffer for their part in this robbery from citizens as well as players, owners ect. Money mongrels all of them, go take a hike we don't need your over costly product in our lives anymore. GREED, GREED, GREED!

  • Jesse Tooele, UT
    June 26, 2011 10:01 p.m.

    I'm with Winglish on one point: No guaranteed contracts! At the same time, some of these owners are to blame for the awful contracts they hand out. Joe Johnson got $120 million last summer after he quit on his team in the playoffs (averaged 18/5/5, while shooting .387). I still don't blame the Jazz for AK's contract, any team would have done the same at the time. The problem is when a player severely underperforms, the team is without options.

    Also if there is a hard cap, the playing field would be leveled and you wouldn't have to worry about spending over your budget just to compete with the likes of the Lakers.

    One last issue I think they should fix: Back loaded contracts. McGrady's contract is bad example of that. You give a guy 6-7 years when he is in his prime, but he get's paid progressively more each year as he gets older.

    The teams are doing it to themselves, so maybe they can change a few things and save them from themselves.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    June 26, 2011 9:56 p.m.

    The NBA management colluded with the superstars to give control of the NBA to the players during the age of Jordan and other superstars who were partly the creation of the league for marketing purposes.

    Now the management is trying to move back and go to a more team oriented concept that helps and protects the smaller market teams. Many of the big market teams have difficult owners and the big market fans tend to be fickle at best. The money of the future is in increasing a broad base of interest nationally and internationally and the old model of having a few superstars on a few big market teams no longer maximizes the total revenues of the league.

    Having more teams with their own stars and a chance at the playoffs maximizes interest nationally and internationally.

    Maxing the total league revenues is in the interest of the rank and file players and the majority of the owners.

    There are financial reasons why superstars like King James want to reduce the number of teams in the league and the league want to expand.

  • bballjunkie Cedar Hills, UT
    June 26, 2011 9:22 p.m.


    The only games I will watch and can stomach is the Jazz. I now will follow the Kings a bit too. However, the NBA is not basketball at its puriest form. That is why I had to laugh and still am laughing about the experts and fans who say Jimmer doesn't play "d" what a joke 90% plus don't in the NBA and thats why he will be just fine. I will be just fine if they lock out, college and high school is the closest thing to pure basketball. And I don't ever have to worry about being locked out of something that I am paying for.

    The NFL and NBA will continue to step on their fans (who are the ones who fund, support and keep a float their teams), why? Becasue fans don't make them pay were it hurts and thats their pocket books. Until they stand up and say enough is enough this will continue to happen over and over again.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    June 26, 2011 9:20 p.m.

    Those who complain that the owners should just not spend so much are the same ones who complain about the Jazz trading Williams because they can't afford to pay him in free agency. Or complain because the Jazz don't sign enough free agents. Or complain because the Jazz don't win championships because they don't have good enough players. When is the last time the NBA had a champion that was under the luxury tax?

    So which is it. Do you want the Jazz to just stop paying so much for players or do you want them to be able to at least compete for a championship. Because you sure can't have both. And that's what's wrong with the NBA.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 26, 2011 9:12 p.m.

    Owners do have some responsibiltiy in creating this mess but they also should have the right to scale back if that is what is needed. The unions are responsible for alot of the problems, they think they can dictate terms of employment. I'll miss the games but owners need to be able to scale back prices, wages/salaries, etc to make things profitable. There does need to be a hard cap, so small market teams can have a chance to keep their players and compete with the big markets.

  • oldrunner Ogden, UT
    June 26, 2011 7:19 p.m.

    Let me get this strait. Management has not been able to control their spending and are not making a profit. Their solution for this is to force the employees to accept a contract that will not allow them to overspend in the future. Makes perfect sence to me. It almost sounds like the banking industry. Maybe the NBA qualifies for a government bailout. That would also make perfect sence to me;-)

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    June 26, 2011 7:19 p.m.

    A hard cap of 65-70 Million solves some of the problem. Even a flex cap would help. The talent needs to be spread around the league and small market teams need to be able to keep their talent.

    Competition should be based on both the ability to get players and also manage under the cap. Good organizations will win and bad ones will adjust faster.

    In a cyber age playing in NY, CHI, LA etc is less important to sponsors if the small teams are winning championships.

    Dirk is now an international star, before he was regional at best and probably only relevant in Dallas.

    IF the NBA opens up an international division Europe, China etc have to be able to compete and have a chance of winning. A hard cap makes international expansion possible.

    Road trips thru Europe become more cost feasible if you can string 6 or more games together on each trip. I suspect an Asian Division would also be economically feasible.

    The revenue sharing could be adjusted for travel costs to and from International teams. Basketball is becoming a global sport.

    However, the travel costs are a major obstacle.

  • Duh west jordan, ut
    June 26, 2011 6:20 p.m.

    I agree with some who say don't just blame the players. It is pretty simple, just refuse to pay the salaries. The win at any cost mentality of owners is what has driven the market so high, the players are just reeping what the owners created. True, the players are a bunch of whiners but the owners created them. But the most ironic thing about it, those who purchase the outragous prices just to watch them play. I don't pay for any professional sport, I have a TV and that is enough for me. I am not going to pay the prices so, if their is a strike then, boo hoo, I am not going to lose any sleep over it. I don't even think about the football issue, I would rather go fishing anyhow.

  • SUNNY ALL DAY Saint George, UT
    June 26, 2011 6:16 p.m.

    True Story:

    A local SLC firm had JAZZ tickets as a performance incentive for their employees.

    To the chagrin of the employees, the principals dropped that particular incentive.

    When asked why this had happened, management reported they were tired of paying good money to watch rich guys exercise.

    Management continued to provide incentives; just no more Jazz tickets.

    Those employees who wanted to go to Jazz games paid their own way. Those employees as well as those employees who did not particularly like basketball were happy with the new menu of incentives.

    Could this be the sign of a new trend?

    Who knows?

    As long as the product (Jazz Basketball) continues to, be less competitive and/or turn fans off through lockouts and/or other labor(?) problems, fans will eventually find other choices for entertainment.

    And once they're gone, it will be difficult for a small market team, like the Jazz to bring those fans back.

  • Ak Fan Hamburg, GE
    June 26, 2011 5:59 p.m.

    re JAzzrule good point. Somepeople say college is more fun to watch let it be. Never watch Pro sport save hard earned money. Leave pro sport to who will watch no matter what (called FAN)

    One thing about JAzz. Who will or can pass?

  • eagle Provo, UT
    June 26, 2011 5:58 p.m.

    I always side with the players because nobody put a gun to Larry Miller's head to say pay Andre Kirilenko a max contract. Or to the T-Wolves' ownership to give Kevin Garnett a $125 million dollars. Also, the players never demand that taxpayers contribute or pay for their arenas (aka corporate welfare). No player is overpaid in my opinion if someone is willing to give them that money.

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    June 26, 2011 4:55 p.m.

    If the players aren't smart enough to come to an agreemaent they are free to start their own league and pay whatever thay want and then reap all the profit or loss.Any other union is free to do the same if they don't have the ability or desire to accept an offer from a company they work for,start your own company and be your own boss,but you will have to sleep in the bed you make.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    June 26, 2011 4:52 p.m.

    I didn't know there was a lock out in 1998-99. That's how much I pay attention.

    There is absolutely no way we will be forced to watch figure skating next winter. Not with BYU TV and ESPN. I will be watching BYU football and basketball. It's more fun to watch college kids play anyway.

  • Deserthiker SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 26, 2011 4:13 p.m.

    Take note NBA teams. This fan- and there are, I think, many who agree with me, is tired of paying way overinflated ticket prices to watch obscenely overpaid, prima donna, selfish, whining, egotistical, (insert additional negative adjectives of your choice here), players give often lackadaisical effort. I'm tired of reading about players who think they are bigger than the game. I'm tired of watching hotdogging and wrestling substituted for fundamentally sound team play. I'm tired of owners who treat me, and the rest of the fans, as cash cows to be milked of every possible drop, rather than fans to be appreciated and courted. In a sad story of unchecked capitalism run amok, professional sports have become something unsightly and bloated. I'm finished spending my hard earned money to feed the beast. Dramatically cut salaries and bring ticket prices back to a level where average blue collar dads can afford to take their kids to the game. Give me players who care about team play, loyalty, fan appreciation, and love of the game. Do these things and I'll be back. Until then, life has many better things to hold my interest.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    June 26, 2011 3:57 p.m.

    Owners need to be more businesslike in what they pay. They should have all the leverage, but they don't seem to use it. In general, the players have no other skills and cannot make a living outside of basketball. The owners are the only source of basketball. It has been reported that about 80% of these players are bankrupt within 3 years after they stop playing. They seem not be capable of thinking about their future. It offends me as a potential fan to see the attitude and morals of some of these folks. I like the college game much better and watch the NBA only in the playoffs. There is no doubt that there are some players that have good values, but they seem to be in the minority. Let the NBA fold and start over in a tattoo free league.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    June 26, 2011 3:44 p.m.

    By the way, when this finally gets settled ... Stern should be canned.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    June 26, 2011 3:40 p.m.

    From the beginning of the NBA through the 1970s, the NBA product was competition. Rules were changed to offset the dominance of players like Wilt (wider lane, 3-seconds in the key). But when Bird and Magic hit the league, Stern decided to change the product to the players. The league sold Bird, Magic, MJ, Isiah, Hakeem, Robinson, etc. Competition became an afterthought. Refs and media gave preferential treatment to the stars. And the players started to believe it.

    The truth is that players come and go. Owners stay much longer and competition is (or should be) forever. Stern confused the brand and enabled the players. The problems of today started with Stern in 1980. The solution is to reaffirm the product (competition) with a hard salary cap.

    As an aside, I don't know how the union can justify hurting their own members by taking a position that will eventually cost jobs (through contraction). Do they only represent the top 80% of the players or all of them?

  • Richie Saint George, UT
    June 26, 2011 3:38 p.m.

    There is other stuff on TV and I can watch College games or golf. Thats a game where you either win or you don't get paid anything. Basketball teams that lose won't get paid that night and patrons get rebates. I haven't watched baseball since free agency started way back in the 70's or pro football. The last super bowl I watched was 1969.

  • Coug Pleasant Grove, UT
    June 26, 2011 3:16 p.m.

    Most occupations have earning caps and potential. That's the reality of our economy. At the current NBA salary level. 22 of the 30 teams will disappear, unless changes are made.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    June 26, 2011 3:01 p.m.

    The players are right when they say ownership is overpaying players and it is really ownerships fault for overspending.

    It is the Jazz's fault they overpaid AK. Nobody forced them to pay that much money. I think it is unfair to ask players to put a cap on their earning potential but not also put a cap on the owners earning potential.

    What the NBA needs to do is simply have no salary cap and see what happens. Maybe some teams including the Jazz do not belong in the NBA and when teams start to disappear then maybe their can be a real discussion.

  • Elcapitan Ivins, UT
    June 26, 2011 2:17 p.m.

    It is a game for decadent Americans seems to me. I enjoy it on TV but would never afford to sit one game in that Roman Arena.

  • JazzRule Bountiful, UT
    June 26, 2011 1:53 p.m.

    I love the people that are comparing the NBA to college or high school ball.

    The NBA has a product and level of talent that is unmatched and is incredibly entertaining.

    All I have to say when people try to make the case that College ball is every bit as entertaining as the NBA is "go watch the 2011 NCAA basketball championship game. Tell me that was entertaining.

    Don't get me wrong, I watch NCAA ball, but it doesn't entertain me like the NBA. The main thing I enjoy is seeing players in college games that will make it in the NBA, which is what makes the tournament so much fun.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    June 26, 2011 12:42 p.m.

    I am just sick that the players might lose ice cream money.

  • BigRich Orem, UT
    June 26, 2011 12:17 p.m.

    It's unfortunate but by being so much in the public eye, they are role models for good or bad. Kids will always idolize their favorite player.

  • myself Salt Lake City, UT
    June 26, 2011 12:16 p.m.

    22 out of the 30 teams don't make a profit? That's unbelievable.
    There are a higher percentage of Major League Soccer teams that make a profit.

    I agree with the article for the most part. The players have enough money the owners are losing money. The solution is simple. Pay cuts for the Multimillionaire players.

  • Tyler Holladay, UT
    June 26, 2011 12:01 p.m.


    Athletes should never be role models for kids. Someone who can jump high, shoot a ball, run fast, swim, tackle, etc. NEVER should qualify them as a person to look up to. Comedian Daniel Tosh once pointed out "I don't know what's more embarrassing in this country, that Michael Phelps fell from the graces for smoking marijuana or that you looked up to a swimmer in the first place? Are you out of your mind? Swimming -- you mean that thing you instinctively do before you die?"

  • BigRich Orem, UT
    June 26, 2011 11:37 a.m.

    Money continues to ruin pro sports. Sadly it's seeping into college sports. I miss the days when you could go to a game and not be assailed with commercials every time out, when players were more concerned with their play instead of their pay, and a player's loyalty was to his team and town and not his bottom line. And why do so many NFL and NBA players look like they would be more at home in line-up than on the field of play? I don't think half of them can pronounce the words in a sentence correctly let alone with correct sentence structure. There are fewer and fewer who can serve as role models for our kids.

  • spudlydoright McCammon, Idaho
    June 26, 2011 11:30 a.m.

    I think that they are a bunch of overpaid, underworked, crybabies who whine and snivel constantly about how hard it is to make ends meet. And that is just the owners; the players are even worse. Good thing that the college games are so much more exciting and less expensive. I will never attend another professional sporting event.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 26, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    I would love to see the NBA and the NFL lose a year, go through some reality checks and come back humbled. Incomes can be cut drastically for the ones making over 3 million per year. The price of tickets can go down and some of the profits can be donated to charities in teams home towns.

  • Tyler Holladay, UT
    June 26, 2011 10:43 a.m.

    I love that most of those commenting here do not know what is going on. They automatically think it the is the players fault.

    Uhm.... Most of the problems with the NBA labor agreement will be from the owners. Prime example: Andrei Kirilenko's long term max contract. Owners have been over paying the average players which in turn inflates overall pay. Also, there is going to be a division between two groups of owners; on one side you will have the Lakers, Boston and the few other endless pocket teams, vs the ones who have to watch what they spend. The problem with this is the Jazz are one one of the teams that need to watch their money, but have been OVER the salary cap for the last couple seasons. The players association has even gone to say that once the owners get their side right--revenue sharing, shorter contracts--they will come and meet the owners to help fill in the money problems.

  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    June 26, 2011 10:36 a.m.

    1. BYU's Burnt Almond Fudge has nothing on Starlight Mint from Energy Solutions Arena. Jazz win that battle every night of the week.

    2. Hard cap + no guaranteed contracts = Solution to the NBA's problems.

  • bballjunkie Cedar Hills, UT
    June 26, 2011 10:20 a.m.

    This is why college and High school sports are still the best. And this is a big reason I don't support paying kids to play at college; it will snow ball and the next thing you know we have major issues with corruption, pro and college.

    I don't care if the NFL or NBA stays locked out, I will still see football and basketball next year, without them.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    June 26, 2011 10:10 a.m.

    Owners and players in all sports (maybe not the NHL?) need a reality check.

    I said early on, in the NFL lockout, who really cares what a bunch of whiney millionaires & greedy billionaires think?

    Professional sports is entertainment to me and then alot of time not as enjoyable as Wrestling.

    If there is no 2011-12 NBA season then thank heavens Dallas won the title.

  • My2Pence Pleasant Grove, UT
    June 26, 2011 10:07 a.m.

    Perhaps the NBA could adopt the system used by many school districts. Teachers can increase their wages based on years of experience and levels of education.

    Here's an idea:
    All rookies start out with a base salary of $100,000. If they earned their bachelors degree, then increase it to 150,000. Each year they are in the league they earn an additional $50,000. So a 5 year veteran with a college degree would earn $350.000. Bonuses would be paid for division, conference, and league championships. They could earn all the extra money they want through endorsements, etc.

    Within 5 years they would out-earn the President of the United States.

    If NBA players want a job, that's what it pays. If they don't like the wages, they can venture out on their own, and make their millions like NBA owners had to do.

  • gizmo33 St. George, Utah
    June 26, 2011 10:07 a.m.

    these basketball players are so overpaid it totaly pathetic. as far as a possible lockout goes. let'em its their loss not mine. and figure skating is an intersting sport it takes a lot of talent to be able to that. anybody can become an overpaid Basketball player. all those fines Basketball players are given for rule and policy violations are nothing more than pocket change. I was at a lakers game once when a player was given a fine for pushing another player off the court and into the bench of the opposing team and you could hear the player making comments and joking about a fine he was going to get and they all laughed it off. when one player said well just give it to them out of your change purse you'll never miss it. the article is right its time for these athletes to get a dose of reality...

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    June 26, 2011 10:06 a.m.

    I can have season tickets to my favorite college hoop team for the price a couple of Jazz playoff games.

    My Team went to the Sweet Sixteen last year...I don't think the Jazz were in the playoffs...were they?

    I've always liked the Jazz...still do...but my dollar buys more in Provo. (& the Burnt Almond Fudge ice cream from the BYU creamery is pretty good too)

  • louisiana jazz man Dubach, LA
    June 26, 2011 10:06 a.m.

    the players need locked out. last i checked they diden't spend 450 mil to buy a team they pay nothing to build the arena they play in that cost millions but want half the money. sweeet maby i can go in monday and tell them we want half the profit. preety sure i would be locked out. need to cutt players money in half if they don't want to play find someone else.most would come back begging for a job for one or two million a year . 75 percent would be working at mCdonalds if not in sports. same with nfl

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    June 26, 2011 9:48 a.m.

    It amazes me that nearly every time there are contract disputes and strikes in pro sports the fans end up on the players side and put the blame and pressure on the owners to give in. They don't seem to grasp the fact that every penny is paid for by the fans and it is them and only them who will end up paying for the exorbitant salaries.

    The NBA needs some sort of an incentive program so that players who are flops or are constantly injured cannot cripple the franchise for 4 or five years. We look at AK47's salary as an example but that pales in comparison to the 23 million per for the last 2 years of Tracy McGrady's contract looking at his contribution on the floor.

  • Southern Utah Fan Enterprise, Utah
    June 26, 2011 9:36 a.m.

    Amen NealT...... Tell ya what I will be the 12th man on the teem for $100.000 now thats a bargin

  • Linus Bountiful, UT
    June 26, 2011 9:30 a.m.

    If the world had not gone insane, the "boys" who play ball for a living would have a base of $30,000 per year and a salary cap of $100,000 per year (for the big-name franchise players). Take it or leave it. Whole families of sports fans could afford to attend ballgames regularly.

    You tell me; What over-grown kid would turn down such a generous income for the fun of playing games and, instead, go work for a living in a job for which they are truly "qualified?" Wouldn't it be grand to turn professional sports into family recreation instead of idol worship?

  • JNA Layton, UT
    June 26, 2011 9:29 a.m.

    Shut the NBA down if need be. I hope the Owners don't give a dime to the union. These players are big cry babies. Don't give an inch, don't pay one extra dime. The same thing goes for any professional sport. Get real!!!

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    June 26, 2011 9:17 a.m.

    Poor kids hope to cash in on the pot at the end of the rainbow. If they don't make it, they turn to crime. Let's set up some realistic expectations. There is also the matter of the major sports being infiltrated with lawyers who represent the players who have a socialist agenda. They want the players to be the owners which has happened rightfully in Charlotte.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 26, 2011 8:28 a.m.

    I could care less who's making the money. I only care about leveling the playing field so that every team has an equal chance of getting good enough players to contend for the title.

    Then it's up to how intelligent an organization is to whether they get a chance at the championship.

    With no real limit on spending for players (old CBA), championships can simply be bought.

    Therefore, I'm with the owners on wanting a hard cap. Who cares who's getting rich!

  • woodmaster6225 Florence, OR
    June 26, 2011 7:42 a.m.

    I believe you are right that the players don't understand what the business is doing. The players should give at least 1 million dollars of their contract back to the team. I would love to go to more games but I just can't afford the price of tickets(even the noise bleed section) So have a lock out. I don't care if it is all year. I'm tried of all the players whinning about not getting enough money, let them go without for a while and I mean a while. Tried of all the rich cry baby's.

  • RSD Pepperell, MA
    June 26, 2011 6:49 a.m.


  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    June 26, 2011 6:45 a.m.

    I hope this league takes a year off. The players and owners, including the commissioner are a bunch of diehard prima donas. I would add all the companies that provide team jersies, etc. All of this professional sports mania is totally out of kilter with reality. The NFL and MLB is part of it. I say let's get back to 35 cent per gallon gas and all the rest of it. Our home prices went from $30,000 to $300,000. This whole world is a liberal swamp. Have a great day.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    June 26, 2011 5:30 a.m.

    $150.00 to $1000.00 a seat per game in the lower part of the arena??? No Thanks!

    I'll stick to College Basketball and enjoy the ride!