Brad Rock: Utah Jazz select a Turk and Burks

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  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 25, 2011 7:48 p.m.

    @ coleman51,

    I'm not so sure trading Big Al is a good thing. Very soon, anyway. Who else can you bring in that'll match his numbers?

    I don't think Favors and Kanter will match those numbers consistently for awhile yet.

    Keep Jefferson around long enough for them to TAKE his starting spot from him. THEN, the Jazz will be in a good place.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    June 24, 2011 9:57 p.m.

    Enes Kanter and Alec Burks constitute two of the elite in the entire draft. Those who actually know what drafts are all about say that the Jazz had the best draft of any team in the NBA. What will happen next will be to trade Okur and possibility Jefferson so we can make room for more athletic players. We should have the best front-court in the NBA within a few years. Having Jimmer play with the Kings is a blessing for the Jazz. They got two superior players.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    June 24, 2011 9:43 p.m.

    Which of the bigs are you willing to trade to HOU? They are desperate to get a C.

    Millsap is too short. AJ is KOC's center piece he is building around for the next year or 4. Corbin changed the offense just for AJ. He played much better the last month. He is supposed to be fixing his lateral movement and vert.

    NO way are they trading Favors or Kanter.

    Would you trade Memo?

    Evans is supposed to be an SF. Millsap might try to be an SF. If he actually can then there is no log jam. You have a 3 big rotation of AJ, Favors and Kanter which is very big and very talented.

    Memo's contract is expiring this lockout year. A new flex cap means the Jazz will have to cut salary.

    Anyway 16 teams have salary of about 65-70 Mill. I expect a semi hard cap near 70.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    June 24, 2011 9:32 p.m.

    Money alone does not win championships. However, it take money to get the depth and the right combination of players. Where would DAL be if they did not have 90 Mill in depth when they lost Butler. Marion stepped up and scored and played D.

    No Marion, no championship.

  • Markogarp Olympia, WA
    June 24, 2011 7:31 p.m.

    I am ecstatic about our draft. Kanter, I believe, will end up being one of the brightest stars from this draft. Burks will be fine once he develops an outside shot, and, from what I'm hearing, he is already doing so. Mechanically, his shot is there, and, I feel, with help from a very good outside shooter (Hornacek), I think he will be just fine. It's his other attributes that have me salivating at the mouth. He is a great slasher, very athletic, and will fit in nicely.

    If Jimmer had still been there at 12, I would have been tempted to take him, were I the GM, but, he is gone, which, in the end, is better for the guy. I mean, he would have been under such a microscope here.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 24, 2011 6:53 p.m.

    @ JayMario,

    Interesting viewpoint on getting lucky with the 3rd pick instead of the original 6th. Wasn't meant to be, though.

    Jimmer won't need to score a lot to be happy in Sacramento. He'll score, but would be quite happy being among the tops in assists each year. If you don't think that, then you really don't know The Jimmer.

    @ Anonigma,

    Nice research. Maybe these two can become the "twin towers" of Utah. Height's always helped the Lakers. Now the Jazz have it.

    And for those wanting to get rid of Big Al right away, who's going to put up his numbers very soon? No one. Keep him around while these other two develop.

    KOC is right that you can't have too many bigs. They're always getting injured, it seems. So, don't be surprised if the Jazz re-sign Fes as insurance.

  • Irwin_M_Fletcher LOGAN, UT
    June 24, 2011 4:17 p.m.

    With all of my previous rant being said, for all you Jimmerites out there, how can you not love where he landed anyway? I know if you're a Jazz fan you wanted him here, but I don't think he could have gone to a better team for his style. If there is any place that gives Jimmer the best chance for success in the NBA, Sacramento has to be top 3! Scoring seems to be much more important to the Kings than defense.

  • Irwin_M_Fletcher LOGAN, UT
    June 24, 2011 4:10 p.m.

    "As for Burks, any NCAA player who cannot get his team to the Big Dance is over-rated. A single dominant player on a college team should absolutely have that much impact." -DD JayMario

    Really? I'm no Jimmer-hater but some people on here seem to be tailoring their specifications for a good pick to fit what Jimmer is - so obviously they're unhappy with anyone else. By this crazy reasoning a lowly 1984 Jazz draftee named John Stockton was absolutely "over-rated" because he didn't get his college team to the big dance. And a quality 9nth pick named Hayward must be WAY better than Jimmer because he took his team all the way to the finals! I won't even attempt to list all of the factors you are ignoring by trying to infer that Jimmer did it all himself. (I'm sure there are some BYU players and coaches who wouldn't appreciate your logic though)

    Lets just be honest - you don't like Burks because he's not Jimmer; that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. Just admit it up front instead of feigning some reasoning to match your predetermined outcome.

  • Anonigma Murray, UT
    June 24, 2011 3:53 p.m.

    Wow, look at this comparison of Favors and Kanter's combine measurements:

    Kanter: Hieght w/o shoes- 6.9.75
    Favors: Hieght w/o shoes- 6.8.75

    Kanter: Reach- 9.1.5"
    Favors: Reach- 9.2"

    Kanter: Hand width/length- 9.5/10.5
    Favors: Hand width/length- 8.75/9.25

    Kanter: Agility- 11.30
    Favors: Agility- 11.74

    Kanter: Sprint- 3.26
    Favors: Sprint- 3.25

    Kanter: No step vert- 26
    Favors: No step vert-31.5

    They're both very similar, but Kanter a little bit more agile and bigger.
    Favors is much more athletic with mad hops and a much larger wingspan. Kanter's agility is ridiculous for a guy his hieght. For comparison, Kanter beat Leaonard and Hamilton. Favors....well Favors is just an athletic specimen.

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    June 24, 2011 2:59 p.m.

    I was so relieved with Kanter falling to #3, I wasn't paying much attention when the Jazz picked at #12, I was shocked by the Jimmermania but when they Jazz got Burcs I never thought twice they didn't get the BPA, and that was before I watched some video on home I never saw before, per that video he should've been a top 5 pick in this draft, I would've had him rated just a little lowerthan Knight, but higher than Jimmer,
    get job by koc, getting it done with the turkishknight and jazzyburcs, pysche!!

  • Tennis Guy Salt Lake City, UTAH
    June 24, 2011 2:47 p.m.

    I was sad that we did not get Jimmer. I think Jimmer has the heart of a champion! Unlike most of these profesionals who are in it for the fame and the money. I think Jimmer could end up being a "Pete Maravich". You want to pick people who have heart and who want to be here in Utah. I think Utah will live to regret not picking Jimmer. Maybe I will become a "Kings" fan.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 24, 2011 12:30 p.m.

    We the peopple;
    Go back to curling or cricket. You obviously don't know much about Basketball. Safe picks and best picks were very close to being the same last night for the Jazz. Kantor will probably end as the top all around center the Jazz have ever had. Burks is the type of player that will make other teams wish they had a do-over for last night.

    If Memo is healthy, I would say big Al is trade bait. I would hate to see Milsap go and they are the only two good enough to bring a good 1 or 2 guard in return.

  • Moxley Sorrel Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2011 12:24 p.m.

    "SpanishImmersed", do you really think the Texans should have drafted Vince Young? He might have physical skills but he certainly hasn't been successful as a quarterback, and his disruptions to the Titans organization have been far greater than the contributions of his play and leadership. "Hometown heroes" are all well and good, but if the "hero" doesn't win and weakens the team by being a negative influence--arguing with coaches, getting in legal scrapes, etc.--then he's a bust. And I'm confident Young will go down in history and a bust. Not a total, gigantic, Jemarcus Russell/Ryan Leaf/Tony Mandarich-level bust, but still a bust.

    Now, I wouldn't have worried about Fredette being a disruptive influence, of course. Quite the opposite really, and your point that having him on the Jazz would have helped sell tickets in a greater proportion than simply his on-court performances merited is a valid one. But it didn't seem that he was the player the Jazz really needed.

    Had he been drafted and been a winner, his former affilation with BYU wouldn't have meant a thing to 99% of Utah fans. If he was winning with the Jazz, they'd have cheered happily.

  • We the People Sandy, UT
    June 24, 2011 12:12 p.m.

    Horrible picks. The Jazz have a formidable front line already. We needed a new PG.

  • Jazz-Nation Lehi, UT
    June 24, 2011 11:48 a.m.

    We have a log jam at the 4-5:

    Memo=10 million
    Milsap=8 million
    Big AL=14 miliion
    Favors=4.5 million
    Kanter=4.5 million
    We only have two shooting guards under contract, and that is Bell=3.5 million/Burks 3.5 million

    we only have one PG under contract, and that is Harris=8 million

    We only have one SF under contract, and that is Air Gordon=4 million, but he can play the 2 as well.

    We still have huge holes to fill through free agency. We still need shooting!

    I think that the Jazz will try and bring back AK, Miles, and Watson.

    Expect one of those big men to get traded. I look at teams like Detroit, they are loaded with guards and lack a big man. I think a guy like RIP Hamilton and Knight for Big Al would make sense.

    Milsap and Big Al would slow down the development for Favors and Kanter.

    Who gets the minutes? The Jazz are going to make some moves once the CBA gets worked out, no question about it.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    June 24, 2011 11:31 a.m.

    I wasn't sold on Kanter nor Burks, Burks in particular reminding me of a similar player the Jazz got rid of (Brewer). But KOC is the one that gets paid the big bucks to make these decisions. Only time will tell with these guys.

    However, we can use the past to look at KOC's other choices that he's made. Certainly drafting DWill was the right pick. Trading this past year, when the Jazz were still in contention, is debatable: they got Kanter, Favors and Harris out nof the deal---but turfed it at then end and missed the playoffs. Other draft picks have been iffy, though Hayward has shown promise.

    These were "safe" picks. Often "safe" ends up no where: ask the Clippers. We'll see.

    Meanwhile, the Kings made some nice moves. Jimmer will be good. Isaiah Thomas at 60, though? That'll give Jimmer some heat and competition. Nice call.

    By-the-way, where are some of these Y fans/U haters coming up with some of these names "oh ye confederacy of dunces", "smarterthanyou", etc? I'm not buying it, at least not after reading the posts...

  • DD JayMario American Fork, UT
    June 24, 2011 11:21 a.m.

    Hey if Memo Okur can be an all-star (I think he made it once as a replacement) surely the new big Turk can do it. As for Burks, any NCAA player who cannot get his team to the Big Dance is over-rated. A single dominant player on a college team should absolutely have that much impact. Surely BYU would have been a middle-of-the-pack MWC team without Jimmer (best case). Burks definitely has something to prove, because his track record of team success is not good. He will likely end up as another Kirk Snyder or Morris Almond. As for Jimmer, the Kings got a steal with him at #10. The irony is that if the Jazz hadn't gotten the lucky draw in the lottery, they could have nabbed Jimmer at #6 or #7. So the real comparison will be the careers of Jimmer vs. Kanter. Who would you rather have?

  • President Joker Washington, DC
    June 24, 2011 10:55 a.m.

    Whats the history with the Jazz picking in the top 3? There have been zero busts when they have picked in the top 3. Pistol Pete, Dominique Wilkins, Darrell Griffith and Deron Williams. Now Kanter may never be an All-Star but that doesn't mean he won't be servicable.

  • President Joker Washington, DC
    June 24, 2011 10:50 a.m.

    Jonathan Eddy.

    Hayward can be our threat from anywhere on the court. But I guess Hayward didn't go to BYU so he doesn't count. There is also absolutley zero evidence that Kanter will be a bust. Sure he is a high risk seeing as that he hasn't played a game in a year. But anybody who can go onto the court, get 13 boards and score 34 in 22 minutes, looks pretty promising to me. With Burks, shooting can be taught. Do you remember paul millsap is starting to develop a shot from beyond the arc.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    June 24, 2011 10:30 a.m.

    @ Bugoff | 8:47 a.m. June 24, 2011

    You obviously do not know basketball. Yes, spending money helps, to get the right pieces in place, but the Mavs' 2nd biggest salary was on the bench the whole 2nd half of the season - Caron Butler.

    What won the well-deserved championship for the Mavs WAS the same thing that won it for the Lakers and Boston - teamwork, and being able to dominantly close the fourth quarter.

    Mavs were the best 4th quarter team in these playoffs since the showtime Lakers.

    And this is coming from a 40-year Laker fan. Quit your whining and go get a team in Houston.

  • Vince the boonies, mexico
    June 24, 2011 10:26 a.m.

    Great draft Jazz considering what was offered. Thank goodness Jimmer didn't end up here because then the bawling would have switched from how great to he isn't getting enoough minutes. As it is now the coaching staff won't have to hear the garbage anymore. I believe the Jazz just moved to just below the elite status in the NBA with the moves made yesterday and also believe they are not done dealing yet. Watch for more fine tuning by this Utah team fans! Great job Jazz management, now a couple more deals and we are set for several years.

  • HugMe Logan, UT
    June 24, 2011 10:24 a.m.

    I think the Jazz tried to get Jimmer...just not with the 3rd pick. I think Sactown's team philosophy fits better for Jimmer, but I don't know where Jimmer is going to get his shots. Evans, Thornton, Salmons and Cousins want to be shooting and scoring. Jimmer would have had more opportunity to shoot with the Jazz.

    Even though we didn't get Jimmer, I am happy with the selections.

  • LKA Tremonton, UT
    June 24, 2011 10:15 a.m.

    @Anonymous: Sounds like you just had a bowl of sour grapes. Calm down .. Does it really matter??

  • SpanishImmersed Mesa, AZ
    June 24, 2011 10:08 a.m.

    The Jazz followed the model set by the NFL Houston Texans when they didn't draft hometown hero Vince Young at QB, someone local fans could rally around, and perhaps increase season ticket sales. Instead it became a continued path to mediocrity.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    June 24, 2011 10:03 a.m.

    I agree with the previous comment in the area of coaching. Why not bring in Karl Malone to work with the bigs. Memo should be a great influence on the new seven foot Turk. Hope he doesn't just shoot threes and rebounds. KOC did a nice job. Burks may be the steal of the draft. Both appear to be hard workers and easily coached. Now, Corbin needs to prove what he is made of. Bring on the "fire sale". Clean house and build with the young players especially Favors.

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    June 24, 2011 9:11 a.m.

    This was one of the worst drafts in the history of the NBA, no question. There were no clearly outstanding players that will make a difference on any of the teams. Kanter and Burks will be journeyman players which the Jazz have a roster of them. I see no progress for the Utah. It will continue to be an adventure to even be in the playoffs. The two Russians, Fesenko and Kirilenko are hopeless. They both are out of shape and have never improved their skills. The only thing Kirilenko brings to the table when he is healthy is caused some chaos on the defensive end of the floor. Fesenko ought to be the wrestler, not Canter. He has no basketball skills whatsoever at the NBA level. The backcourt for the Jazz continues to be troubling. I do think the Jazz got better with the draft, but playoffs? I doubt it. My feeling is the Jazz need another conditioning coach, who can motivate people; and some basketball skills/shooting coach. What we have at the present time is lacking.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    June 24, 2011 8:50 a.m.

    Not like the Jazz were going to do anything next year anyway. All around, this is better for everyone. No circus in Utah, no undue pressure on Jimmer the rookie (they all have plenty of pressure anyway).

    I say this is a win all around. Except for Jazz fans, who will have to suffer through another mediocre season.....

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    June 24, 2011 8:47 a.m.

    Actually what won DAL the title was same thing that won it for LA the past 2 years and BOS before that.

    90 million in salary. Under the old NBA that has been the formula for winning. Spend enough to get the talent and depth.

    That should lower to 70-75 million with more teams having a chance.

  • JT Texas Midland, TX
    June 24, 2011 8:47 a.m.

    After researching this draft, I would have drafted the same way as the jazz. I've seen burks compared to kobe and kanter to marc gasol. I think we got a steal of a draft.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    June 24, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    The current Jazz model is more similar to MEM which made a good run. If you trade some redundancy for shooting you will have a very good team with 2 or more lotto picks coming next year.

    Almost all Ute fans would have embraced Jimmer as a Jazz player. There may be a few haters but so what.

    Jimmer is much better off in SAC. The offense is much simpler and he can learn to play D without a lot of pressure. He compliments Tyreke and Salmons scored well from the wing when he played there previously. He has Cousins as a target inside and for rebounding.

    It takes a lot of pressure off of Jimmer. He has the ideal place to make the NBA transition. His novelty will wear off in a couple of years and maybe the Jazz trade for him if it is obvious he fits the Jazz well.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    June 24, 2011 8:30 a.m.

    Dallas won the national championship because of three things:
    1. A decent inside presence
    2. A threat from anywhere on the court (Dirk)
    3. A support staff that shot the ball insanely well from outside the arc

    Using that as a recipe, where does that leave the Jazz this season if they have any hopes of a run at a championship?

    Who will be their inside presence? Kantor?
    Who will be their threat from anywhere on the court? Burks?
    At least in Fredette the Jazz could have acquired someone that can create space and shoot the lights out in bundles from the three.

    Sorry folks. This has nothing to do with where the boy went to school. We missed a golden opportunity. I'm disappointed.

  • Calgary Calgary, AB
    June 24, 2011 8:28 a.m.

    Theeng2: you must be kidding if you think Kanter is going to defend paint - he is worse then Boozer! At least in his high school videos... No effort, no heart... doubt that will change, looks like he is interested in scoring only. Will be another black hole on offense, TO prone machine. Just imagine them both with big AL, both similar iso post up guys... boring! Jazz just got worse defensively and if they trade AK they will be THE WORST defensive team in all NBA:/

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    June 24, 2011 7:37 a.m.

    The sky is blue, the sun is shining, it's Friday and the possibilities are endless. Best of all the circus has left town. Great job KOC!

  • Allen#1 West Valley, UT
    June 24, 2011 5:33 a.m.

    I am a Wyoming Cowboy fan but feel Jimmer will do the best of all draftees in the NBA. I, too, get tired of the Utah fans childish badmouthing BYU and BYU fans bad mouthing Utah and have NEVER been a fan of BYU teams. ( I also get annoyed at the BYU bashing by the sports writers of the other newspaper. )

    Games are won by scoring points - the team with the most points always wins regardless of the also very important aspect of defense.

    Jimmer has shown he can score.

  • Monsieur le prof Sandy, UT
    June 24, 2011 5:20 a.m.

    I was hoping for Jimmer, not only because he's a good player, but also because when he speaks, you can actually understand him. We'll now have five players on the team who struggle to put two coherent sentences together. Well, at least they can shoot! :-)

  • Theeng2 Holladay, UT
    June 24, 2011 3:29 a.m.

    This might be the best front court the Jazz have ever had. Favors, Kanter, Milsap, Jefferson, Okur, and even Fesenko offer some pretty awesome combinations. Scoring down low and defending the paint shouldn't be a problem anymore. Having Hayward out there with Favors and Kanter is going to be pretty sweet to watch also.

  • Richard Saunders Provo, UT
    June 24, 2011 12:52 a.m.

    As a Jazz fan, not a fan of BYU or University of Utah, I'm glad I won't have to put up with the childish back and forth of some BYU-Utah fans. Jimmer would not have been the best player on the team, but I fear the Deseret News would have made him the focal point. I don't cheer for individual players so much as the team. Dallas showed what a team can do. I hope Jimmer has a great season minus four games.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 24, 2011 12:21 a.m.

    Jazz got two potentially solid players who have good attitudes and good work ethics. Jimmer will get a chance to play a lot in Sac. Winners all around. It would have been nice to have Jimmer drafted by the Jazz but I will look forward to seeing him play a lot this year.

  • oh ye confederacy of dunces Flushing, NY
    June 24, 2011 12:07 a.m.

    I gotta admit, I am relieved Jimmer didn't end up with the Jazz. Had the Jazz found a way to draft him, Jimmer fans would have had to deal with a constant barrage of negative Ute analysis and criticism directed at the greatest player that has ever played at BYU (sorry Ainge). As it stands, Jimmer is headed to an organization where he will start and be embraced by a fanbase that is thrilled to have him. Furthermore, he will have a very good chance of starting. I predict he will ROUTINELY score in the 20s and will average double digits in scoring with 5-10 assists/ game. I believe he will be a serious contender for rookie of the year. And the best part of it all?--Jimmer fans can buy a NBA league Pass and enjoy the new "King" of the NBA without the sour criticism of the other side. I am ecstatic about Jimmer's destination, and can't wait to follow his career.