Jon Huntsman Jr. seeks support from gays

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  • Dan Maloy Enid, OK
    June 22, 2011 11:55 p.m.

    @ Pagen | 1:45 p.m. June 21, 2011 (or 'Pagan' or whoever you are) -

    You claim it is impossible to love the sinner and condemn the sin.

    My, blind you are.

    So, I'll say this again: the practice of homosexuality in any and all forms is wrong. It is evil, immoral, degrading, damming (progress is stopped) and destructive. All who engage in this lifestyle will do so to their own eventual sorrow. Your way is not the way of the Savior of the world; not before, not now and not in the future. And yet what we do can be separated from who we are, and love received regardless of what we do. How can you claim to be a Christian and yet not grasp this concept, a concept so simple that literally even a child can understand it.

    What your group refuses to grasp is that just because you believe something is true does not in and of itself make it true.

    Again, fight against it at your own peril.

    You come on here repeatedly touting the rightness and morality of your lifestyle and yet continually hide behind a cowardly veil of anonimity.

    I will not.

  • Spikey Layton, UT
    June 22, 2011 7:06 p.m.

    I'm LDS and I love my gay friends and neighbors.

  • FarnsworthPMacGillicuddy Layton, UT
    June 22, 2011 11:02 a.m.

    I consider myself to be politically and fiscally conservative. However, I'm not a fan of Huntsman or Romney,because both have faults. I see nothing wrong with courting any political grass roots base,of any affiliation by any candidate.
    I'm extremely biased against any person or group that espouses violence towards innocents and excuses that violence (in any form) by using gender, religion, ethnicity or any other miserable excuse.
    I'm active LDS, not ashamed of it, and not a Utah native (not ashamed of that either). I find the culture here in Utah to be completely foreign to me, and find the "enthusiasm" with which Romney and Huntsman are embraced to be astounding, while there is such rancor towards Harry Reid. I don't see much of a difference between Romney, Huntsman or Reid politically. All are unapologetic opportunists, willing to prostitute themselves on the altar of power, while throwing pathetic political crumbs to the masses of sheeple foolish enough to believe anything that comes out of their mouths. yet, all are active LDS.(by their own admission) I'm liking Ron Paul more and more each day,although I don't think he's got the charisma enough to win.

  • SoCalChris Riverside, CA
    June 22, 2011 7:10 a.m.

    @ coleman51 | 10:48 p.m Thanks for clarifying that. I didn't mean to suggest the Church condones homosexuality. I take it for granted that most people understand the Church does not approve of any promiscuity whatsoever outside of marriage (between a man and a woman). But I disagree with you that supporting the concept of civil unions from a legal point of view is contrary to the Church position. Again If anyone can show me where I'm wrong (and Huntsman is wrong) I'd like to be corrected.

  • DanO Mission Viejo, CA
    June 21, 2011 11:05 p.m.

    A voice of Reason, you've got it backward. Marriage is a civil contract allowed to be officiated by religious leaders. Without the State recognition, there is no marriage. Religious or non-religious alike can have marriage, with or without the involvement of a church.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    June 21, 2011 10:48 p.m.

    In case there is any confusion about how the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints feels about civil unions or homosexual relations in general, any member who engages in homosexual relations falls under serious transgressions and is subject to formal Church discipline. If he/she has made temple covenants which have been violated by homosexual relations, they are facing the possibility of excommunication. I cannot see how Jon Huntsman's position on civil unions in any way is consistent with the Church he belongs to.

  • wandrew Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 21, 2011 10:43 p.m.

    A gay Republican really is an oxymoron. The party does not want you. They are embarrassed by you, and they are afraid of you. I invite any person who considers himself or herself to be a gay or lesbian Republican to consider joining the Libertarian Party.

  • Dewey Hewson Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 21, 2011 9:28 p.m.


    "Mormons will not get Huntsman, or anyone else elected, they are an insignificant, fringe group who get publicity far beyond their significance."

    See how that works?

  • George Bronx, NY
    June 21, 2011 8:40 p.m.

    frankly who cares if they can or cannot "control" their desire. There is no legitimate reason they should have to even if they can/could. its frankly no one else's business.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    June 21, 2011 8:24 p.m.

    Romney supports a constitutional amendment to define marriage as a union between one man and one woman. Huntsman supports civil unions. Which position does anyone with a clear mind believe the LDS church supports and the vast majority of Republican primary voters?

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    June 21, 2011 8:12 p.m.

    Question for Utahns
    Are these statements true about John Huntsman?

    The states budget deficit increased dramatically during his tenure: In fiscal year 2003, two years before Huntsman took over as governor, the state of Utah had a $173 million budget deficit, In fiscal year 2009, Utah was forced to rely on rainy day funds and federal stimulus dollars to close a $1 billion budget gap.

    He supports a flat tax, and instituted one in Utah: The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy found that, while the poorest 20 percent of Utahns paid a 9 percent of their income in taxes, while the richest one percent paid just just 4.9 percent of theirs.

    He supports slashing corporate taxes, and tried to eliminate them completely in Utah: The policy would have cost the state at least $200 million in revenue.

    He would end Medicare as we know it: Huntsman didnt hesitate to endorse the House GOPs budget plan.

    He supports a radical Balanced Budget Amendment. The BBA would prevent the government from running deficits when deficits are necessary, such as during deep recessions.

  • jnewby Marseilles, IL
    June 21, 2011 8:05 p.m.

    While I don't claim to be an expert in the mind of a gay person, I do believe that many can control their desire to be gay if the elect to do so. That would explain why we have many ex-gays and ex-gay support groups as well who have found happiness without the gay lifestyle.

    Much like a straight person may be tempted to cheat with an attraction towards a member of the opposite sex, they can either choose to succumb to the temptation or turn and walk away. To say otherwise is saying we have no control over over carnal desires and I'm not sure I can buy into that.

  • DonO Draper, UT
    June 21, 2011 7:54 p.m.

    Good for Jon. All Americans deserve to be treated with dignity, and deserve to be as much a part of the electoral process as they wish. Marginilization of any class of people is not the American way.

  • SoCalChris Riverside, CA
    June 21, 2011 7:40 p.m.

    "They are enamored with the very idea that there is a politically prominent Mormon who disagrees with his Church on the subject."

    How does Huntsman disagree with his Church? From what I've heard he favors civil unions but not re-defining marriage. Happens to be my position and if that departs from the Church's statements I'd like to know.

    From what I've heard so far I find Huntsman a sensible candidate.

  • jimhale Eugene, OR
    June 21, 2011 6:44 p.m.

    Huntsman is not going to get the nomination of the Republican Party precisely because he "supports homosexuals". (As mentioned by Rifleman above.)

    He is, however, going to continue to receive favorable media coverage - out-sized to his ultimate chances for nomination - precisely because the press, as a whole "supports homosexuals" as well.

    They are enamored with the very idea that there is a politically prominent Mormon who disagrees with his Church on the subject.

    Their fascination with Huntsman will, of course, wane once the nomination is decided.

    I still think Huntsman is really running for VP .... on Obama's ticket.

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    June 21, 2011 6:42 p.m.

    I am LDS. State-recognition of any kind of marriage is a non-obligatory luxury and not an essential right to living freely. State-recognition does nothing to affect an individuals personal freedom. The LDS Church has given fair, friendly, kind and loving, logical support for its decisions and had a violent, hateful, and purely intolerant response in return.

    Those who really want truth, listen. Those who want to party their life away, doing whatever they want... they don't listen. I understand that it is easy to go that direction... but there is no fruit, reward, or happiness in it's end.

  • gizmo33 St. George, Utah
    June 21, 2011 6:37 p.m.

    hey has anybody seen Ross Perot latley ? cuz hes funny to ! I liked all his stories about the chicken man and the potato chip man. anybody running for political office will seek support from any group that they think will help them get elected. absolutly nothing new here

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    June 21, 2011 6:15 p.m.

    Rifleman | 3:54 p.m. June 21, 2011
    Salt Lake City, Utah
    Re: Pagan/Pagen

    Huntsman isn't going to get the nomination and so there's no need worrying about whether or not he supports homosexuals. Its a moot issue.


    You have a shallow understanding of politics.

    Huntsman will carry the heavily populated Moderates and Independants.
    The Reagan BIG tent Republican.

    Even if he doesn't win the Presidental nomination, only a fool would not consider him [and all his BIG Tent support, not to mention Inter-National diplomatic experience with the World's largest economy] as hands-down the best V.P. addition to the GOP ticket.


    Hunstman is one sly fox.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    June 21, 2011 5:40 p.m.

    Just a suggestion to you, Jon. If you want significant support from the LGBT community, you might want to run as a Democrat. That's how the vast majority of them will vote.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 21, 2011 5:20 p.m.

    So much for Huntsman trying to appeal to conservatives. I guess he is going after Obama's base.

    I still say Huntsman has a better chance of getting the Democrat nomination.

    He is a RINO at best, and a liberal disguising himself as a Repblican at worst.

  • Blaine Cedar City, UT
    June 21, 2011 5:04 p.m.

    Romney and Hunstman, like McCain, are liberals in conservative clothing. They appeal primarily to the liberal voter. If the Republican party nominates either of these two men, Obama will win. These two should really be running as Democrats. As such, they have a chance of beating Obama in the primaries. What they, and their supporters, fail to realize is that the liberal segment of America will vote for Obama unless he is defeated in the primaries. If Republicans are to win the Whitehouse, they must nominate a true Republican -- one whose values, history, and behavior solidly mirror the traditional Republican party platform and values. Neither Romney nor Huntsman fit that description.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    June 21, 2011 4:53 p.m.

    dumprake | 10:09 a.m. June 21, 2011
    Washington, UT
    Gays will not get Huntsman, or anyone else elected, they are an insignificant, fringe group who get publicity far beyond their significance.


    What a bigotted statement there dumprake.
    If it is true, it would apply thus:

    [MORMONS, Blacks, Hispanics, the elderly, the Jews, ect.] will not get Huntsman, or anyone else elected, they are an insignificant, fringe group who get publicity far beyond their significance.

    So how that works?

  • IDmom Murray, UT
    June 21, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    We are all sinners. To say that we are all perfect is stupid. I love my child no matter what. THAT is the very definition of unconditional love.

  • Rick for Truth Provo, UT
    June 21, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    As you exercise your American franchise to vote, voice out and choose our leaders you help perpetuate the American dream. You are free to vote for and support any candidate of your choice. In addition, you may show your displeasure and non-support for any candidate that you disagree with. The many problems we all face is evaluating how much we agree with or disagree with a particular candidate given the limited amount of data and information made available to us to make a decision with. Collect positional information on policies, past practices, positions on issues, and try to avoid decisions on commercials and bumper sticker statements like Hope and Change. Study and yes even pray about your vote.

  • George Bronx, NY
    June 21, 2011 4:34 p.m.

    So gays make up roughly the same percentage of the population as people that are LDS that also get a lot of publicity and are (also unfairly) considered nothing but a fringe group by many people. So I have to ask do you apply the same logic to LDS people or just those small groups you do to agree with? The point is even if a group (LDS or LGBT or...) only make up a small part of society they have the right to have their voice heard.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 21, 2011 3:54 p.m.

    Re: Pagan/Pagen

    Huntsman isn't going to get the nomination and so there's no need worrying about whether or not he supports homosexuals. Its a moot issue.

  • IDmom Murray, UT
    June 21, 2011 2:49 p.m.

    @Pagen, can you not love your child but hate some of his/her sins? Thats not being hypocritical - its being honest and having an unconditional love.

  • DRay Roy, UT
    June 21, 2011 1:28 p.m.

    Sorrow of the damned, (progress-stopped), is that they do not sorrow for their sins, only that they cannot sin and still have God's approval...GLBT cause is just wrong...they play on the sympathy of people for their plight, in a pure act of sophestry to get support. If Huntsman gives in to that sympathetic sophestry, he shows a weakness our President should not have. We love the people, but abhor the sin. We do not give in to the ways of sin, nor seek to accomodate those ways.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 21, 2011 12:57 p.m.

    'So you find fault with the HRC, Equality Utah, Get equal, GLAA, etc?' - Counter Intelligence | 12:07 p.m.

    Are they acknowledging homosexuality and trying to paint it in a positive light? Trying to get the LGBT equal rights, or none at all?

    I know where my support lies.

    It belongs with those who are not ashamed of what they are.

    And do not try to keep 'religion' out of something that has had over 1000 legal goverment protections they covet...

    since around the 1960's.

    That is an evident, double standard.

    Your not even TRYING to rebute my points about what Obama has accomplished. Only that those groups are trying to promote equality, like PFLAG are 'bad' because they say 'gay.'

    I doubt you are truly gay CI, though of course I have no way to prove it one way or another.

    Perhaps you are simply pretending to be a LGBT person to try and villify them?

    Lies to try and villify opposition have been used before...

    An example:

    *'3 sent to prison in beating of DJ Bell, another sentenced to jail' - By Emiley Morgan - Published by DSNews - 05/23/11

  • bigsoccer Syracuse, UT
    June 21, 2011 12:19 p.m.

    Huntsman won't even be top two canidate, he will lose to Romney and Paul

  • isrred Logan, UT
    June 21, 2011 11:47 a.m.

    "Gays will not get Huntsman, or anyone else elected, they are an insignificant, fringe group who get publicity far beyond their significance."

    Such a politically illiterate statement. Follow. The. Money.

  • ThePinkFloydian Bountiful, UT
    June 21, 2011 11:35 a.m.

    I am strait, dont discriminate, and patriotic. I believe in equal rights not special rights. Ron Paul is getting my vote no matter what. If a gay man wants to marry his boyfriend I have no problem with it. Just leave my religious beliefs alone and I leave you alone. Keep government out of it. Democrats and Republicans have wasted too many of our tax dollars over this issue. I choose Libertarian and I choose freedom.

  • J. Adams Sandy, UT
    June 21, 2011 11:15 a.m.


  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 21, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    'Whereas heterosexuals produce children, then spend most of their time, money and energy raising their children, homosexuals have no children on which to spend their resources.' - sjgf | 10:29 a.m.

    What a horrible and general comparison.

    Should I say that Mormons 'only make babies?' Both would be incorrect.

    You have not been paying attention.

    According to the Child Welfare Information Gateway, between 8 and 10 million children are being raised by gay parents.

    *'Lesbian Utah legislator carrying baby for gay couple' - SLtribune - 01/08/10

    '...Rep. Christine Johnson, D-Salt Lake, at her home on Friday, is 16 weeks pregnant. Johnson is acting as a surrogate for a gay Salt Lake County couple, her close friends, after they expressed frustration with the difficulty of adopting a child in Utah.'

    *'Single mothers less accepted than gay parents, report says' - By Marjorie Cortez - DSNews - 03/17/11

    "In most ways, the accumulated research shows, children of same-sex parents are not markedly different from those of heterosexual parents."

    - 'Coparent or Second-Parent Adoption by Same-Sex Parents' - POLICY STATEMENT - PEDIATRICS Vol. 109 No. 2 February 2002, pp. 339-340 - Pulished: 02/01/10

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    June 21, 2011 10:35 a.m.

    I fail to see how this Demo in Republican clothing is good for anyone. I am tired of the two faced John McCain type politicians. We need someone to save the economy, reduce the deficit, restore our Constitutional rights stolen by the Courts, and enforce the issue of unalienable rights coming from God and not the government. Even my liberal friends in Taos, NM are talking about the rights coming from our creator and not selectively given by the government...No to Huntsman...

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 21, 2011 10:30 a.m.

    'Gays will not get Huntsman, or anyone else elected...' - dumprake | 10:09 a.m.

    Tell that to Obama 2008.

  • sjgf South Jordan, UT
    June 21, 2011 10:29 a.m.


    While gays may be insignificant in their numbers, they have a lot of time and money.

    Whereas heterosexuals produce children, then spend most of their time, money and energy raising their children, homosexuals have no children on which to spend their resources. They are able to spend the time and money on their cause that heterosexuals spend on raising families. As a result, they have a very loud voice in the public arena that heterosexuals cannot afford.

  • Ridgely Magna, UT
    June 21, 2011 10:14 a.m.

    After weeks of pro-Romney novellas in the Deseret News, the headline "Jon Huntsman Jr. seeks support from Gays" is posted minutes after Huntsman formally announces his Presidential Campaign?

    Wow. Subtle.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 21, 2011 10:09 a.m.

    I am homosexual.
    I use the term gay because it represents who I am and I find fault with others who try to associate it with political baggage.

    Huntsman is a good canidate. But I cannot see his actions supporting the LGBT community.

    Whereas the incumbant, Obama has:

    *..ordered the Pentagon study, which supported repeal of 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell', (Dec '10)
    *allowed sexual orientation to be covered under Hate Crime legislation,
    *Signed the extention of the Ryan White Treatment bill for HIV for gay AND straight Americans in 2009,
    *Allowed the State Department of offer same-sex benefits for employees (2009)

    As I said, Huntsman is a good canidate, but when a side-by-side comparison is done Obama has simply done more for the LGBT vote than any other president to date.

    Let alone Huntsman.

    Huntsman should run for Hatch's seat, and run again in 2016. Heck, even EYE would vote for him then.

    Until such time, Obama has run the office of the President better than any of the GOP contenders.

    *'Poll: Less than half of GOP primary voters satisfied with 2012 field' - By Mark Murray - NBC News - 06/15/11

    Obama 2012

  • dumprake Washington, UT
    June 21, 2011 10:09 a.m.

    Gays will not get Huntsman, or anyone else elected, they are an insignificant, fringe group who get publicity far beyond their significance.