@Bugoffsome say Jan Vessely is sort of like the AK
mold...however...along with that..he doesnt have an outside shot...
Here is my understanding of the Jazz road map.1. They plan on twin
towers, AJ the low post specialist and Favors in the high post running the
traditional flex. This is a version of the flex adapted for AJ who needs to be
close to the basket. 2. They want a younger better shooting verison
of AK at SF. That does not exist in this draft. 3. They want Hayward
at SG. 4. They want another DWill at PG only with better defense.
5. They want a good bench that goes 9 deep. That creates
a great offensive machine with AJ being the weakest link on Defense. His D
should improve or he will get replaced by a Kanter/Valanciunas type player. With the picks this year, trading Millsap and Harris and with probably 2
lotto picks next year this is a team that can be quickly built. The
SF and the PG are out there someplace. The Jazz have the resources to get them.
The Jazz need the right players, they do not need a lot of players.
I have read some rumors today...it seems that the wolves are now interested with
Enes Kanter for the Number 2 pick...Cleveland is also considering Kanter...Im
thinking Cleveland would get Irving...Wolves would get Kanter...and we might get
a shot at Derrick Williams.....If not...i say...grab Jonas Valaciunas...i
think...the spurs are trying to grab him...they are trying to shop tony parker
to teams within range of Jonas Valaciunas
I think...the Front Office and the owners...should lead more visibly and
vocally...if you really want to win a Championship...you should do whatever it
is necessary...i think if you believe in it...breathe it...live it...players
@payarai have a different view on the Miami - Dallas series...when
you take things to perspective...yea...Miami has the Big Three...other than
that...its nothing...Dallas has way more weapons and way more balance than
miami...anyone from the bench could erupt...and most of them...are three point
shooters...Dallas has a first option scorer...a Big who plays like a wing...and
surrounded him with guards that could shoot pass and put up honest D...their Big
Men...are there to control the boards...and patrol the paint...its a very good
team...who is missing their second scoring option in Caron Butler...For us to be
like that...is getting the right guy...at the right price...and committing to
your superstar...and just grabbing the right pieces...For us to be
champions...the Front Office should have a clear vision of what they want and
how to get it...right now it seems we are just going by it...by the
season...never really committing to win a championship...its more continuity
Draft players with heart! Jimmer has proved for years that he has Stockton type
heart. Find a Center with heart that can defend (that player from the Congo),
Kantor maybe. Everyone else is suspect!!!!!
Look, the Jazz have been to the top of the Mountain many times through the years
but never to the summit. Why? We have been short on key players. Let's use Miami
and Dallas for examples. Neither team was great, I mean the old Lakers and
Ceiltics teams would make short work of either team but Dallas did not win so
much as Miami lost. They lost because James lacks maturity and the heart of a
Champion. Dallas won because of heart, they did not have near the talent of
Miami but they had heart and a fearless frustrated Dirk and Mark Cubin.If you look at the teams that have won Championships over the past 10 years
you will see tailormade with key componentes. Allstar PGs and with either
allstar centers or PFs.All these Championship teams are run by players who never
quit....ever.With that said, keep:MilsapEvensHaywardFavorssome heart:AKMemoJeffersHarrisNo heart:CJLebron (how did he
get in here)
@ Dray,Ante Tomic, in all likelihood, will never see the NBA. He
recently signed a contract that would pay him more than the Jazz could. With
each year that goes by, his trade value gets lower and lower. Most NBA teams
realize he will probably never come over here and that gets more apparent each
day. Too bad. Should have tried to trade him two years ago.
@OrlandoJazzFani never thought guys here wanted Cole that
bad...lol...i started posting here...when Hayward got selected...and i was so
happy...i registered...and started posting here...lol...
@shayboI agree with you on Vucevic being mediocre...that's why his
coach...told scouts that..Vucevic could be good...IF...he puts in the effort to
improve...and yes...i agree on giving the shot to Jeremy Tyler...i think Tyler
with what he experienced overseas...would turn out to good maybe he matured
SA is trying to move up to replace Duncan. Who in this draft can replace Duncan?
Valanciunas is worth Parker to SA and can replace Duncan. Many scouts consider Valanciunas to be the best player in this draft (long
run). Forget Knight and get Valanciunas before SA kills the Jazz for
the next decade. Sometimes I have very serious doubts about the FO
and their ability to evaluate draft picks.
We didn't know the Jazz were going to get Big Al last yr, so alot of us thought
we needed to draft a PF last yr. It was quite a surprise that they took Hayward,
at first I was upset and couldn't believe it, but the more I looked into him the
more I like him and was cheering the pick. That gives me more faith that KOC and
staff will make a good pick.. From my perspective we need to draft a big , we
don't get to pick #3 very often and good bigs are hard to come by unless you
have a top 3 to 5 pick. Knight just doesn't seem to be a player I think has
qualities you want out of a 3rd pick in the draft.Trades etc will be
interesting to see how things pan out. We should be able to get some players
that will help. I would love to be a fly on the wall in the Jazz draft room.
@CJ Miles, averages about the same as Harris.
The San Antonio Spurs are offering point guard Tony Parker in a trade for a high
pick. The Spurs are looking to get into the lottery and have talked
with the Toronto Raptors (No. 5) and Sacramento Kings (No. 7) A
veteran of 10 NBA seasons, the 29-year-old Parker averaged 17.5 points and 6.6
assists in 78 games last season.
The fact that when I read through this message board and several of the comments
and opinions make sense for the Jazz proves that this draft is going to be
crazy. There are so many different directions they could go. Good luck to
O'Conner and the Jazz organization, just please make us better.
Something we might all be missing. Common sense tells me that the smart thing
for Cleveland with #1 and #4 picks would be to take Williams with the #1 pick,
no way is Minnesota taking a point guard at #2 so Irving would fall to the Jazz
which would leave Cleveland with their choice of the rest of the point guards,
that would give them maximum value for their 2 picks.Irving is the
only point guard in this draft that is better than Fredette, and could possibly
start at some point during the season. I would definitely be happy to end up
with him at #3.
@LKA, I guess you won't be watching the draft.@Kakashi, Vucevic
looked very mediocre in the combine, I would prefer Tyler or Nogueira at 18 if
they traded up.Too many are Judging Knight on his highlight reels
which only show the good things. I watched several Kentucky games and he was not
Everyone crying about trading Millsap.. This is why the Jazz will never win the
championship! Trade him while he has value and get a good player back that fills
trade up...for the 6th and 18th...draft kemba or jimmer...Chris Singleton or
Donatas...and at 18th...draft Nikola Vucevic...Vucevic is intruiging...because
some scouts say...he isnt that far off from Kanter...the problem is...would he
put in the effort to improve?...if not vucevic...take a gamble on Jeremy
sorry , Memo trade as well
Jonas @ 3 & Jimmer @12 - thats first choice other options at 12 - Singleton,
Burks, Thompson or HamiltonDefiniate gones - Price, ElsonCheap pick ups - Fes & WatsonPossiable Trades - Bell, CJ, AJ
& Harris - only if it makes our team betterKeeps - Hayward,
Favors, Evans, & MilsapHard to keep because of $ - AK
@Richard Saunders. Rock on dude. Paul Milsap is one of those rare types of
players that will be very difficult to replace. Besides that I am a fan. I like
his attitude and work ethic. How many players with his skills are going to bring
what he does? Save Paul!
If Knight was an upperclassman showing his skill set right now, I would agree he
is a risk at #3. I think he his going to show vast improvement in everything
this coming year. I also think mixing Kanter in with Favors, AJ and Fes
this year will give the Jazz some of the outside shooting balance they need to
succeed (lost when Okur didn't return last year, further degraded when an
injured D-Will lost his accuracy). Kanter is going to be a 3pt shooting gem. If
they take Kanter, they can get by for now with Kirilenko, CJ and Jeremy (or 2 of
the 3) at SF, and let's not forget Jeremy. He could become the Jazz starting SF
in a couple of years. Remember how little he shot jumpers in college...he's
still learning to shoot away from the basket, but what an athlete, remember?Anyway, you guys talking about trading the #3 pick, I say no way. Kanter or
Knight and maybe Jonas V. are good gambles there, and the Jazz might not see a
#3 pick again for years. The Jazz can pick a SF next year.
Raja: If his shot starts falling, keep him. We need leadership. Wouldn't mind
him on the coaching staff.Ronnie: I love his dunk, but I think his time is
up. Fesenko: Could do so much more. Maybe 3rd option for C.AK: Love
him but too fragile. Release or sign him for 3-4 mil, depending on who we
draft.Earl: Very solid backup! Stay!Harris: Hope he gets a longer
shot. But should draft another PG to bring along quickly.Milsap: Want him
to stay, but if we do trade him it better be for a legit outside threat!Jefferson: Good shot blocker, will get better. Still young! Stay.Hayward: Future heart of this team, a perfect fit. We need him.Favors:
Ditto what I said about Hayward. He'll be special.Okur: Probably a decent
backup at most. But I'd love to have Money Man back in top form.Evans: He
must stay. Athletes like that don't come around often.Draft: I like
Kanter and Knight. Both have strengths/weaknesses. We will need a younger PG.
Jimmer has an unbelievable shot, but I'm less convinced of his PG skills. Should
be exciting to see what they do.
For those of you who do not like PAWS ratings there is Holliger's draft rater.
That tends to work well for perimeter players based on predicting
NBA PER. Burks 11.87, Thompson 11.88, Jimmer 10.45, Singleton is
10.15 and Knight 10.02. Irving is 15.14, Leonard is 13.21 with Kemba at 12.75.
Brooks is only 7.88 and very marginal.Knight is high risk as a 3
pick. He should be more like a 12 based on this system. Valanciunas
is 14.70, Vesley is 10.72. Tristan Thompson is 16.21, Williams is 15.97 and
Tobias Harris is 14.83.
I am glad most of you are not in the war room with the brass. One way or another
KOC will wtill get bad mouthed Friday.. And that day cannot come soon enough..
What's happening to the center in Europe the Jazz have rights to? Will he be
coming anytime soon?
Whomever the Jazz pick this year - before we all start to BOO... lets recall
that many of us wanted the Jazz to choose Cole Aldrich last year. What a BUST
he was. Sure Paul Geroge and Ed Davis had great years but we wanted the BIG
MAN!!! Thanks KOC for giving us Hayward over Aldrich that we all wanted. Lets
Boo a little slower this time around....
KOC could take Vesley at 3. I do not like the idea a lot but Vesley is
6'11" without shoes. He is doing okay in his workouts on the East
Coast.He is longer and very athletic. Can his shooting be fixed? He
is worse at FTs than Fes. His perimeter D is below average.Knight
can shoot. His ball handling, going left and his ability to run a team are
questions. He also is young so it is hard to know how good he is 3 years from
now. He is more of a Combo guard at the moment than Jimmer.Jefferson
improved dramatically after Corbin moved him closer to the basket. The Jazz are
going to try to build around him next year. If that does not work then he will
probably be traded or replaced by Kanter/Val or a draft pick next year. HOU might trade for him as they need size badly. His D is a problem for
HOU.Both Millsap and AJ improve if the Jazz add shooting to open up
the inside.AJ has a much higher net PER than Millsap but only if he
plays C. Both improve next year.
Knight Fans - read Draft Express Stats on Guards before you get too far on the
Brandon Knight bandwagon. There are not many of the categories that he excels
in (top 5 position). I know I know potential... but from a purely statistical
standpoint - is he worth a #3 pick? I think not.
I really don't want to see CJ miles back, if he isn't here I will be happy.
The Jazz have made a bunch of mistakes Resigning Memo, and not resigning
Matthews were the biggest mistake. Additionally The Jazz using the Cap space on
Jefferson (a player Minnesota was willing to give away for nothing). Signing
Bell was another MistakeMost people think that after Williams left -
Millsap became the best player. He is currently the 4th highest salary on the
team. Jefferson was one of the worst player on the team and had the highest
salary. You just don't trade your MVP when his salary is only 7 million a year
EVER. Look at the +/- Jefferson and Millsap -36Jefferson
and no Millsap -132Millsap and No Jefferson +52
Enes Kanter scares me. He has bad knees. He hasn't played in a long time.
Scouts say he appears apathetic and lazy on defense.....hmmmmm.....I
have heard this story before.....wasn't there a powerless forward in Utah that
had a similar description (history of injuries, apathy, no defense?)
yeah.....that didn'ta lways work out. I say pass on Kanter and trade down to 6
or 7. Pick up another asset and get a player that is probably as good/nearly as
good as whoever you could get at three.
If it were me I'd take Jonas or Kanter at 3, depending on who they like the
best, even if we have to wait a year on Jonas it would be worth it.Jimmer
at 12 just makes sense by what he brings to the game and what the Jazz need. I worry the Jazz are in love with Knight, I don't see it but that's just me.
I think Kanter is a viable option at 3. However if the Jazz took Valanciunas at
3 they could leave him in Europe and let him develop with full playing time.He would not cost them anything while developing. They could fully
explore the AJ/Millsap/Favors experiment for another year or more. They buy time
to see what happens with Okur.If the Jazz get shooting that opens up
the inside, the efficiency and rebounding of AJ and Millsap improve. They become
better future trades. Further, the Jazz get a year to see if AJ really is the C
of the future.If the Jazz take Jimmer they can play him as a spot
shooter this year while he learns the PG position as a back up. If he is not
working as a PG they can trade him or get the best PG available in next years
draft. That is a low risk high reward strategy. Particularly given
the risk inherent in Knight.The SF position needs to be addressed if
AK leaves. CJ can start in a lock out year. Evans should develop this year.
Millsap could cover a little. Jonas may not fall that far.
This is news? O Connor says the same thing every time he is asked....as he
should because of course anyone is tradeable if the trade is right. Anyone.It is comical to read the comments about Kanter.....especially given the
fact that every and any scout who knows what they are talking about have all
acknowledged he is anything but a sure thing. There are a ton of ?'s around
this guy given the fact he has not played a day of college ball.Chris Ford said #3 through #12 are a crapshoot and could be alot of busts.Yee haw.
It's "bait" people, not "bate."
If the Jazz take Knight at 3, it would be a dream come true if Jonas fell to 12.
Bug: I agree about Chandler , I have liked him since BYU played them in 2010, he
is smooth, talented, and very unselfish but the worry is his drive, still I like
him and if we could get him late 1st early 2nd I'd like it. Obviously a trade
would have to occur to get the late pick.I would love to see the Jazz take
Kanter at 3 and Jimmer at 12, it could happen if the FO isn't too inamered with
Knight.Trade wise Big Al would be the player I would look to move first,
big value , more in return.
In a lock out year with a lot of salary the Jazz should continue the rebuild.The probability that AK is gone is high. CJ and maybe Evans (Millsap
could help a little) will have to cover SF unless the Jazz get a back up SF in
the draft or other means. Hayward should be the starting SG. Bell
can back up. I would trade Harris to save money and let Watson start
and develop a young PG.A rotation of AJ, Favors, Millsap and
Kanter/Valanciunas would be killer for the lockout. See how Okur is doing and
maybe try to trade at the deadline? KOC is very good at getting
spare parts for cheap who fit the system. Fill in with parts. That get's you
thru the lockout year. You then have a pick or player from moving
Harris and probably trade Millsap for another. You probably have the GS pick and
the Utah pick in a strong draft.The new CBA will put a crimp on max
salaries and total salary so the Lux Tax is a big issue. There may be an amnesty
clause but Okur's contract expires anyway.Losing AK is a big hole.
Valnciunas may drop due to his buy out which will not allow him to come over
until next year. However, for a team like the Jazz in Lux Tax Land
that is a good thing. He can stay in Europe 1 more year at no cost and develop.
The Jazz are going to have salary problems until both the AK AND the Okur
contracts are reduced.CLE may take V at 4 anyway if the Jazz trade
down so Utah may have to take him at 3 and not trade down. CLE could also trade
down. TOR might trade up. On the Jimmer front CHA, MIL, and GS are
amenable to trading down so PHO or NY could jump the Jazz.The Jazz
are rumored to have concerns about Knight's ability to run the point and are
ticked about his refusal to go head to head with Kemba (Hoopsworld).Based on current info I think the Jazz should go big at 3 with Kanter or V and
try to get a PG next year. If they get Jimmer this year they can use him as a
shooter and develop him as a PG. They will know if PG works.
I fully agree with R. Saunders about Milsap...heart and soul of the jazz! And in
response to Rico:Raja Bell: I think last year was a fluke
year...he'll do better this year.Ronnie Price: agree, time to goFesenko: Keep as 3rd string centerAK: agree, time to go unless we can
keep for around 5 millionEarl Watson: KEEP....best back-up PG we've had in
a while (other than Maynor)Harris: keep till deadline....I want to see
what he can do with the system under his belt. I actually like Harris a lot.Milsap: MUST keepJefferson: possible trade for a talented SG/SFHayword: MUST keepFavors: MUST keep, otherwise the D-will trade was for
nothingOkur: Definitely keep, but if he does nothing this season trade him
at the deadlineEvans: KEEPI hope the jazz draft either Knight
or Kanter at #3 (I think Williams will be gone no matter what at #2) and then
either Singleton, Brooks, Burks, Thompson or Fridette at #12. Try to pick up
Prince or Battier in free-agency too.
Enes Kanter is the "cat's meow". He is disciplined and organized. He
has a "father presence" and says "yes sir, no sir" and then
goes out and wreaks havoc on the other team. Okur would make a good mentor.
Both are huge. I love AK but he and the tattoo have to go. Favors is the heart
of the team for the future. Millsap runs through walls. I think that Jimmer
would be a good addition. Jefferson and Harris and others are just in the way
of a reshaping of the team. The key is Corbin. Will he act like Ray Meyer and
"step up" or won't he?
Pins and needles...........???
Dear Uncle Rico,Raja Bell: cheap SG backup; he'll be better prepared
next yearRonnie Price: already gone (free agent)Fes: too
cheap to not re-sign (free agent); no one else wants him; can't teach height;
does take up space in the middleAK: must re-sign him (free agent)
because the Jazz don't have true SF experience, unless they somehow trade for
itEarl: re-sign (free agent); best PG backup out there at his
priceHarris: trade bate! Jazz don't need an Iverson-typeMillsap: yup! Mr. HustleJefferson: yup! can at least score against
the LakersHayward: yup! SG all-star in the making; can hit treys,
guard KobeFavors: yup! PF all-star in the making; can block shotsOkur: trade bate, maybe; otherwise, good center backupEvans:
yup! jack-in-the-boxes are hard to come byElson: already gone (free
agent)Miles: trade bate, or SF/SG backupKanter/Jonas/Williams: draft one for big man needs (C & SF most needed)Knight/Jimmer: draft one (or both) for PG needs (trey threat most
needed)I bet the Jazz do some trading to end up with what they want
the team to be.
Favors better be off limits. That's a potential future defensive player of the
year award. Not to mention a potential member od the all NBA 1st team. If we
trade him we better be getting Dwight or LeBron back.
@md @ Uncle Rico Happy Trails ?? Fransisco Elson Let the Bull from
Istanbul pound away on Fes and learn the plays from our other Turk Ocur for one
year, then send them both packing with their pink slips.
re Rico:Evans: keep
I concur with Uncle Rico except for: Okur - Time to go. Means we need a Big (Kanter and a shooter/PG in the draft Burks or Jimmer
my take:Raja Bell: time to goRonnie Price: time to goFesenko:
go awayAK: time to goEarl Watson: time to go into coachingHarris: keepMilsap: keepJefferson: keepHayword: keepFavors: keepOkur: keep if he can still playIf I forgot
anyone, let them go.
If a trade makes the team better, the Jazz should do it. It doesn't matter who
it is.I would love to be a fly on the wall of the Jazz war room from
now through the draft.
I fully agree with R Saunders... Millsap might not be the most talented guy on
the team but to me he is the heart and the soul. Everytime I see his name
mentioned in trade talks it just make me ill to think about. He is Mr.
Paul Millsap should be put on the "untouchable" list. His hard work
and effort make him the heart and soul of the Jazz to me, especially with Jerry
gone. He's missed just 12 games in his career, playing in all 82 games 3 of 5
five seasons. Who does that anymore? If given the opportunity, he can deliver,
like his 46 point effort against Miami last year. He has made improvement every
single year he has played. I know I'm just one fan, so I don't matter, but I
would have an awfully hard time watching a Jazz team without Paul Millsap on it.
The Jazz could help themselves by getting a late pick and grabbing Chandler
Parsons 6'10" SF from FL. Draft Express has him going 27th. He has a PAWS
of 10+. Only Leonard (top 6 pick) 13+ and Hamilton 11 have higher PAWS for
SFs.A late first round pick is pretty cheap in this draft. I watched
him in the tournament. He can shoot, defend and pass. He makes a lot more sense
than Vesley with a lotto pick.
wow....everyone can be traded...i sure hope...its not Hayward and Favors....