Utah Jazz: Alec Burks, Klay Thompson strut their stuff for Jazz brass

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  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    June 21, 2011 8:03 p.m.

    Exactly how far did Burks take his team into the NCAA's?

  • Wombat1247 Mount Beauty, VIC
    June 21, 2011 5:26 p.m.

    Taking Jonas with the 3rd pick is smart, busniess wise, if he doesn't come over , The Jazz save his salary & luxury tax as well, this also gives our other young players valuable court time
    Jonas @ 3
    Jimmer @ 12

  • BillM75 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 21, 2011 2:44 p.m.

    If the Jazz wanna shoot for the stars, yeah, take Valan at 3. Might even start a run on the Euros, help Burks drop. Jazz could maybe even trade up a couple spots, throw in CJ's expiring, tho I doubt they will make any move that puts one penny of extra money on their cap until there's a new CBA. I'd take Valan & Burks to replace Memo & CJ in a nanosecond, don't care if there's a waiting period for Valan.

    Stockton & Nash are/were considerably better than Price IMO, tho Price was pretty dang good. Jimmer's success will almost entirely be due to where he lands and luck with injuries. Be fascinating to watch.

    C'mon KOC, the pressure's on!

  • onebigdaddy Dillon, CO
    June 21, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    I was sitting in the Salt Palace when the JAZZ picked a no name John Stockton and you should have listened to all of the BOOOOOOOSSSSS.
    Most of you who are so smart are probably the same ones who were in the Salt Palace that night.
    The JAZZ should probably take the best big-man-5 that might be available at #3 but if not then JF would more than likely be the best pick in the long run - but get him at #12 or before.
    Jimmer has a great b-ball sense and desire and he will not hurt any team plus he will probably become another Stockton or Price or Nash & he can play D as good as or better than any of them.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    June 21, 2011 2:21 p.m.

    The Jazz can take Valan at 3 and hope Burks drops to 12. Burks shoots better than his CO record.

    There will be enough trades on draft night that the board will move. Burks has a 25-30% chance of being there at 12.

    I am aware that PAWS is an indicator but not a great predictor of NBA performance. It is better than sheer guess work, 1 hour work outs and fan support.

    Many times success in the NBA is fit or sheer luck. Look at Mathews last year. It took 2 injuries to get him playing time so he could get his chance. He had the right skill set to fit that opportunity. Even after he started most of the year there were several national pundits who claimed he was not good enough to start. He seems to be doing well in POR.

    Who makes it in the NBA has a lot to do with the coaches and the system you need to play in.

  • BillM75 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 21, 2011 1:02 p.m.

    Bug, I love ya bro, but as you know there are big problems with using PAWS to evaluate NBA veterans (Kevin Love is not better than Dwight Howard), so there have to be infinitely more problems using it to evaluate one & done college kids and teenage Euros. This draft is a total turkeyshoot.

    I just heard on a major sporst website podcast that Valan almost certainly won't be available for at least a year due to buyout issues. He may well have the highest upside of anyone in the draft along with Burks, but it's gonna be awhile. Everything I've read about Donatas is negative, same contract issues and nowhere near the upside of Valan. I'm leery of Vesely too tho at least he's a hustler. If I had to take one it'd be Kanter unless I'm willing to wait on Valan. I've heard Tomic hasn't progressed at all, will never make the NBA.

    I wonder if there is a way for the Jazz to get both Valan & Burks; seems unlikely. Huge gamble, but five years from now they could easily be the two best players from this draft.

  • kstep15 Logan, UT
    June 21, 2011 12:54 p.m.

    Jazz be smart, go for the kid out of UConn...

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    June 21, 2011 10:26 a.m.

    The way things are right now both Burks and Thompson are probably gone at 12. They have both moved up.

    Burks has a PAWS of 10+, Thompson is 8+ and Singleton is 7+.

    The Jazz would be better off with Jimmer than Singleton. Chandler Parsons is a better choice at SF with a PAWS of 10+. He is late in the 1st round and the Jazz can get him cheap if they want.

  • JazzRule Bountiful, UT
    June 21, 2011 10:03 a.m.

    Sigh... So anyone who doesn't want Jimmer has to be either a Ute or a BYU hater? I know you worship JF, but those aren't the only people that don't want him on the Jazz. I am a Jazz fan and I don't want JF on the team.

    I watched every game Jimmer played his Junior and Senior seasons.

    Pretty sure you are the one that needs to learn some objectivity.

    Jimmer is not the right fit for the Jazz.

    Arguing with you is pointless, because on Thursday Jimmer will not be drafted by the Jazz and it wont matter what either of us think of him.

    Also, I understand your bashing of anyone available at #12 (and B Knight I'm sure) is solely because you want Jimmer, but do some research.

    Burks shot 36% from 3-pt line his freshman year, but 30% his Soph year. Yes those aren't great, but he can improve that just like Jimmer did. (BTW Knight shot 37.7% from 3 his freshman year). Jimmer shot 33.3% from 3-pt his freshman year. Pretty sure they can all improve theirs like your golden boy.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 21, 2011 9:20 a.m.

    After hearing what Klay had to say about his MJ issue, there's no doubt he thinks there's nothing wrong with it. All he was worried about is getting caught (i.e., "being honest").

    Stear clear of him! He's future trouble.

    Once such a kid gets lots of money and begins living the celebrity lifestyle, his past can easily catch up to him again.

    Sounds like Burks is NOT the trey threat that the Jazz need. Shooting only 31.3% from the college line isn't much of an endorsement.

    @ Draft dumbie,

    No way Bogut (over time) is better than Kanter or Jonas V.

    @ JazzRule,

    You need to take off your rose-colored Ute glasses. You're losing credibility with your Jimmer bashing. You never really watched him that much, did you? Except maybe when he creamed the Utes.

    @ Anti Bush-Obama,

    You're comparing apples to oranges. We know what color your glasses are!

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    June 21, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    Hey Jimmerites, There was an article published today talking about the Indiana Pacers draft in 1987. There was a lot of pressure to take the local guy over a player named Reggie Miller. The FO for Indiana chose wisely and decided to not listen to the fans and take Reggie Miller. The best choice they ever made because the local guy that everybody wanted didn't amount to anything.

  • President Joker Washington, DC
    June 21, 2011 8:39 a.m.

    Knowing what I know now about Burks, I want him at 3. He will be the steal of this draft and has the potential to become another Brandon Roy or Paul Pierce type of player.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    June 21, 2011 8:23 a.m.

    Hey Calgary when Kanter went to the combine he had the third lowest body fat there.
    When they ran, and ran and ran he was fourth out of all the people there including guards.
    He out ran many of the guards there and lots of wings and he is already a solid 260lbs. As far as athletic he is already a monster.
    This league loves to see bigs running and being effective and Kanter has a good chance to do that.

    Next year there are no bigs of value on the horizon, don't trade down for one.

    Hopefully KOC has teams lined up for trades depending on who gets taken, or otherwise he will have a few Hayward types he has discovered in the draft.

  • OrlandoJazzFan Winter Springs, FL
    June 21, 2011 7:52 a.m.

    @ Draft dumbie

    I read that article on Bogut the other day too... but then I read this article on SB Nation... it was a rumor and rumor only

    "There's no truth to any of these false rumors that have been reported," Hammond said.

    One report said the Bucks were considering a deal that would send Bogut and their No. 10 pick in Thursday's draft to Minnesota for the No. 2 overall pick.

    Hammond said the Bucks "have not" talked with the Timberwolves about a deal.

    It went on to say the Bucks would never make that trade - ever

    My Vote: Kanter #3 (Valaciunas has contract issues) then Burk or Singleton w/#12 - Jimmer if available but I do not think he will be.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    June 21, 2011 6:08 a.m.

    Not a single player in this year's draft is going to be an sure thing immediate impact player in the NBA, including Williams. This draft has good, but not elite players, which is why Jimmer was so dominate in college. Given this, trade 3 to NY, for a 17 this year and their 1st round next year. Take the best wing player available at 12 (probably Singleton or Harris), and the best true project center at 17 (Probably Tyler) If Valancunias is available at 12 draft him and pick up a wing at 17.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    June 20, 2011 11:54 p.m.

    i think we need as much threat on the outside as possible...most teams...have 2 or more threats from deep...we all know that dallas...has loads of them...its the easiest way to come back from a...solid D...and raining threes....

  • JazzRule Bountiful, UT
    June 20, 2011 11:28 p.m.

    @C.J. Miles

    It amuses me that Jimmer worshipers have convinced themselves that the only people who could be critical of him or not want him on the Jazz are BYU haters or Ute fans.

    I am a Jazz fan and I don't want him on my team for the reasons listed previously. I think there are many other prospects that are better than him.

    I support all the teams in Utah, but just because I don't want Jimmer, a BYU guy, to be on the Jazz doesn't mean I hate him. I just don't think he is worth picking.

    Trade for him or sign him in about 4 years when you know what he can do in the NBA, for now get a guy that is worth picking with our draft picks.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    June 20, 2011 11:08 p.m.

    They obviously didn't bother watching the combine in Canada.

  • Calgary Calgary, AB
    June 20, 2011 10:39 p.m.

    Why on earth so many of you want defensless Kanter. You all must be missing Boozer:/.... Kanter is useless one trick pony - will be biggest bust of this draft.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    June 20, 2011 10:36 p.m.

    Knight is the 4th best point guard in this draft, it would be one of Utah's worst draft mistakes ever to take him with the 3 pick. Knight and Burks would be even dumber, it would make the Jazz worst problem (outside shooting) even more awful than it already is.

    BillM: Hayward is already a better offensive player than AK after 2 years in college and 1 in the NBA and showed signs at the end of the season of becoming an outstanding defender. He and Favors are the future of the Jazz.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    June 20, 2011 9:58 p.m.

    Knight has an Position Adjusted Win Score of 6+ and that is weak. 7.1 is average. He also played as a PG with great talent which should help. Last week I was a strong supporter of Knight. I think he is risky. He should improve with age but he is not as good as Jimmer or Kemba at this point.

    Irving, is 13+, Kemba is 10+ and Jimmer is 9+ but his score last year and earlier this year before losing Collingsworth and Davies was 12+. Given BYU's RPI, a PAWS of 12 is good.

    Valanciunas is 15+ in the Euro league at age 18. I consider that league to be better than the SEC and Big East. Kanter does not have one since he did not play.

    Burks is 10+ and Klay is 8+, Singleton is 7+, Hamilton is 11, Brooks is 9+, Harrelson is 11+, Williams is 12+ (2nd pick) and Leonard is 13+ (top 6 pick).

    Out of the PGs the Jazz have worked out Jimmer is a good pick at 12. I think he fits the Jazz better than Kemba.

    Burks is likely to be gone at 12.

  • Mike W Syracuse, UT
    June 20, 2011 9:42 p.m.

    Kanter at 3 and Jimmer at 12? Yeah, that'll solve our lack of athleticism... I'd personally go with Brandon Knight at 3 (if you can't trade up for Williams) and Thompson or Burks or Singleton at 12.

  • scalman Temecula, CA
    June 20, 2011 9:37 p.m.

    The Cavs have had Kanter in twice for workouts...seems they believe he will be available at pic #4. No doubt that KOC really likes Knight, and I am thinking he may turn out better for the Jazz than Irving anyway - just a hunch. Seems KOC will take Irving, though, if the Cavs spoil the Wolves hopes and take Williams #1 and the Wolves deal with the Jazz right after. Most likely, though, that Irving goes #1 and Williams #2.
    @LaJazz fan: Like what you said about about Jonas V/Kanter. I think KOC is seriously considering both players. I think Jonas V could someday be an excellent NBA center, but either player next to Favors would make an impressive duo (Jonas has to keep filling out, but he seems like he might). The mix of Jonas V and Singleton with Favors and keeping Fes as backup and going for a PG next year (after a Jefferson trade) is intriguing. Kanter/Burks or Jimmer or Knight/Jonas V or Singleton sounds good to me.

  • Anonigma Murray, UT
    June 20, 2011 9:09 p.m.

    A scenario stuck in the back of my head is this: What if Cavs don't choose Irving and go with Williams? (They've already had him in for workouts twice now)
    Then, Minnesota picks Kanter. They don't need ANOTHER PG.

    The two best players left are Irving and Knight. The Jazz didn't work out Irving, do they pick Knight? Or use Irving as a tradeable asset? Or keep him?

    Probably won't happen, but Williams is definitely more safer than a guy who was injured all season last year.

  • Long term Kimberly, ID
    June 20, 2011 9:00 p.m.

    Jazz don't need a big. Favors is the same size as Dwight Howard. Look it up on Draftexpress.com. Just as athletic and same wingspan. Nobody in this draft is close to him as far as big man potential.

    Jefferson is a great Compliment to Favors. Long, skilled offensively. Read the NBAdraft article about it I agree with them.

    I say take Knight at #3 and BPA at #12 SF is greatest need and should be a defender. I don't know how Singleton's personality fits with the team though. Maybe a bit too much hood to like the Utah folk. I'm dreaming for Leonard to fall to 12.

  • BillM75 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 20, 2011 7:56 p.m.

    If we cherrypick AK's best stats, we get about a 16-8-3 with as many combined blocks and steals as combined turnovers & fouls; 47.5 FG% & 78 FT% on 6 FTA/g; 80 games a season at 33mpg; 1st or 2nd team All-Defense team every year; and an efficiency rating higher than his usage rate (ballhog rate).

    All of which is what we can only pray Hayward approaches, tho Gordon is apparently a much better 3pt shooter than AK.

    AK was utterly brilliant for the garbage 03-04 team that he & Sloan somehow dragged to 42-40, no wonder he got that max contract and Sloan got a lifetime pass from the Millers.

  • BillM75 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 20, 2011 7:18 p.m.

    CJ, don't get me wrong, if we wind up with Kanter & Jimmer it's hardly the end of the world. Won't know for at least three to five years if that's a better combo than Knight & Burks/Singleton. Whoever we pick has to fit in with Favors & Hayward pretty much above all else; whole greater than sum of the parts.

    For those comparing the Euros to AK, please look up AK's detailed stats, inc advanced ones, for his first three and a half seasons. I just did and it's heartbreaking. We've all forgotten how good he REALLY was; none of these Euros are in his galaxy.

    He was phenomenal, and noticeably improving each season, albeit the team was getting worse. His first 286 games he missed only six. He was absolutely one of the ten best players in the league before the injuries began in 04-05, albeit his skillset did not fit Sloan's Sacred System.

    He was actually pretty good the next season tho he missed 13 games. And then, ya'll know the rest. What a shame. Keep him for the right price and use him properly and understand his limitations.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 20, 2011 7:05 p.m.

    I like Burks at 12 because he has good handles and is a good athlete but he's 3rd or 4th on my list at 12. Who the Jazz take at 3 will determine who the Jazz take at 12, I hope they take a big at 3, then Jimmer, Singleton, Burks, Harris, come into play at 12. Hayward and CJ are best suited to play the 2 so drafting a 2,(Burk or Thompson)doesn't make as much sense, unless they are way better than Singleton, Harris, Hamilton. If Knight is the pick, I would hope for BB, he is a big, with potential, he brings something we need in defense and rebounding, if not BB, then Burk, Singleton, Harris, Hamilton.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    June 20, 2011 6:20 p.m.

    Jazz Rule: Are you a Ute fan? I am not a BYU fan but Jimmer in no way is slow footed and unathletic. Scoring anywhere on the court is not an issue. Jimmer will score as either a point guard or a shooting guard.

  • JazzRule Bountiful, UT
    June 20, 2011 6:08 p.m.

    @C.J. Miles

    Yeah, Jimmers inability to defend is the only reason not to draft him.

    "rolls eyes"

    Can't be that he is slow-footed, unathletic, won't be able to finish at the rim, is a SG in a PG's body, and isn't a distributor...


  • LAJazzFan Los Angeles, CA
    June 20, 2011 6:07 p.m.

    The opportunity to draft a big is in this year's class. If you look at 2012 mock drafts, there are a lot of guards and wing players and a lot of guys 6'9" or shorter characterized as PF or even centers.

    With that in mind, unless the Jazz are totally sold on the AJ/Favors combo, probably best to draft big with #3 (or trade it for a good vet). My vote is for Jonas V as Kanter is more of a PF and not a center and has many more questions/concerns than Jonas.

    If the JAzz keep #3 and #12, I would like to see Singleton at #12 as he fills a defensive need (AJ, CJ, Hayward, Sap, etc can all score).

    Get a SG or a PG next draft.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    June 20, 2011 6:00 p.m.


    yeah...i'll consider that trade too...unless the bucks know something that we dont with regards to Bogut's Injury...even though he wont get back to last 2 years form...he is still a defensive and rebounding force...#3 + Paul Millsap?...

    i also saw it on a site...im not sure if its hoopsworld...or something...Google NBA rumors...and read...

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    June 20, 2011 5:57 p.m.


    nope...devin harris isnt better...he is older yes...but better? i doubt...remember these kids are young...they wont be that good now...but give them the experience devin harris has...im sure they'll be a whole lot better...and since we are rebuilding...why not grab the core pieces now...and let them grow and build chemistry together...we cant win a championship now or in 2 years anyway...

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    June 20, 2011 5:54 p.m.

    @CJ Miles

    then there was this 38 yr old guy in dallas...i think his name was Jason Kidd...he played solid defense on Kobe...and contributed in defending Lebron James...im not sure...i think Dallas won the championship...But...i do want Jimmer here...because i think...he will learn to play D...unlike Nash...

  • stanfunky Salt Lake City, UT
    June 20, 2011 5:10 p.m.

    Draft dumbie | 4:50 p.m. June 20, 2011
    Farmington, UT
    There's a report that Milwaukee initiated a call to Minnesota and offered Andrew Bogut and the #10 pick for the #2 pick and some "filler" to make the salaries match, but Minnesota didn't take them up on the offer.

    Name the site / source. Otherwise, don't waste time - Milwaukee isn't anywhere close to giving up on Bogut.

  • Draft dumbie Farmington, UT
    June 20, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    There's a report that Milwaukee initiated a call to Minnesota and offered Andrew Bogut and the #10 pick for the #2 pick and some "filler" to make the salaries match, but Minnesota didn't take them up on the offer.

    I'd sure like to see the Jazz get in on that action, trading the #3 pick and "filler" to make the contracts match for the #10 pick and Andrew Bogut. Even though Bogut is still not entirely healed from his right elbow injury suffered in April of 2010, he is still a better center than the Jazz could ever hope to get on the open market or in the draft.

  • bballjunkie Cedar Hills, UT
    June 20, 2011 4:17 p.m.

    Canter at 3 and Jimmer at 12! Please for the love. No way does the Jazz want or should take a chance on Klay if you think that was his first issue with drugs or might be last, you can't take that risk on him. If the Jazz want to gamble that type of money then please send it to me I could use it.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    June 20, 2011 4:14 p.m.

    Kanter at number 3 and either Burks or Thompson at number 12. That would be a good draft for the Jazz. Devean Harris is better than any point guard in the draft other than Irving and we can wait till next year to pick up a point guard that would be better than those available in this years draft. As far as Jimmer, too many homers that think of him at #12. Likely, he will go later first round or early second round.

  • Dr Truth SLC, ut
    June 20, 2011 3:43 p.m.

    Here is hoping the Jazz make some sort of trade. I'm not sure any of these draft prospects get me excited as a Jazz fan. Valaciunas is my sleeper pick because KO wants a true center. Vesely on potential or would that be the second coming of AK. Is Knight really better a better pick/fit than Harris? Maybe Williams would do it but he won't be there at 3......

  • mulrich Provo, UT
    June 20, 2011 3:26 p.m.

    Crossing my fingers for Kanter and Burks/Singleton.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 20, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    Knight #3, then Burks or Thompson #12.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    June 20, 2011 2:41 p.m.

    The Jazz had a point guard named Dwill up until last year. He played no defense yet was regarded as one of the best point guards in the league. It's possible that Jimmer plays better defense than Dwill, yet it is the reason not to draft him. Seems silly.

    Oh and there is a guy in Phoenix named Nash who plays no defense. I am sure there are lots of teams that would like that guy.

  • BillM75 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 20, 2011 2:27 p.m.

    It'll be one of those two scenarios, and if Burks is gone I think they'll take Singleton. Thompson may weel be a good pro & fine kid who did something dumb but I just can't see the Jazz taking a kid with the slightest grey mark by his name, esp at 12 in a weak draft.

  • JazzRule Bountiful, UT
    June 20, 2011 2:27 p.m.

    @ Uncle Rico

    Who is Canter? I don't see that name in the draft prospects list.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    June 20, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    Knight at #3 and Thompson or Burks at 12.

  • JazzRule Bountiful, UT
    June 20, 2011 1:41 p.m.

    Brandon Knight at #3 and Alec Burks at #12. Book it!

    Do it Jazz!

  • Uncle Rico Sandy, UT
    June 20, 2011 1:39 p.m.

    Canter and Fredette. Thats my vote.