Brad Rock: NBA Draft: Picking Jimmer Fredette could wind up frustrating for Jazz

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  • Conservative Democrat Omaha, NE
    June 20, 2011 8:26 p.m.

    Just a reminder, no matter who the Jazz pick in the first round, there will always be somebody who will say, "Who's that?" or "Why him?". It's been that way for all the years that I have been following the Jazz and I don't expect it to change even if someone as notable as Kemba, Kawhi, or Jimmer get selected. It's not our choice to make - that privilege goes to the ownership with the advice of the coaches, general manager, and player personnel director. If you think you're smarter than them - either apply for the job or buy the team. Personally, I think that Jimmer deserves to be drafted as much as I felt that Ainge deserved to be drafted

  • wiseowl PLEASANTON, CA
    June 20, 2011 1:41 p.m.

    I'm amazed at how Irving and Knight are viewed as "sure things"-- has anyone really seen them play more than a few college games? Is either one really the second coming of Kobe Bryant?

  • wiseowl PLEASANTON, CA
    June 20, 2011 1:31 p.m.

    I liked this so much, I thought deserved a second look: "Hey Rock, Draft Knight instead and develop him so in 5 years the Jazz can trade him for a top 10 pick because he does not want to play in Utah anymore but is searching out the big time in LA, NY, South Beach, etc. Then we can start this whole process over again!!! D-Will- the sequel??

    Wasn't that hall of fame PG we had a few years back too small, not quick enough, and couldn't play defense?

    I remember a shot from deep behind the 3 pt arc one year that sent the Jazz to their first NBA finals.

    Guy was tough as nails though.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 20, 2011 1:01 p.m.

    Joker: Your a joke. What makes you think we could pick him up as a free agent?
    Nobody is saying how good Jimmer will be, but he does have the skills and game that would help the Jazz, he is a great shooter and he has good handles that allow him to penetrate and create for himself and his teammates. He is also a better passer than people think, several scouts have commented to that fact. That is the kind of player the Jazz need. Why would you complain and criticize that the fans would want a player like that, that fills a big need? Do you have something against Jimmer or BYU etc?

  • President Joker Washington, DC
    June 20, 2011 7:38 a.m.

    If we draft Jimmer, I bet people will have the audacity to want the Jazz to unretire number 32 so Jimmer can wear that jersey.

  • President Joker Washington, DC
    June 20, 2011 7:35 a.m.

    If he's really that good, we can easily get him as a free agent. But until then, let him develop somewhere else.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    June 20, 2011 7:30 a.m.

    Nice post, Alvin.

    June 20, 2011 6:34 a.m.

    "There are some things that might end up irritating them more than they thought."

    hmmmm... Here is a list of the Jazz' first round picks since 1998: Nazr Mohammed, Quincy Lewis, Andre Kirilenko, Scott Padgett, DeShawn Stevenson, Raul Lopez, Ryan Humphrey (traded for Curtis Borchardt), Alexander Pavlovic, Maurice Williams, Kris Humphries, Kirk Snyder, Deron Williams, Ronnie Brewer, Morris Almond, Kosta Koufas, Eric Maynor, & Gordon Hayward.

    How many of these ended up "irritating" the Jazz "more than they thought"?
    Truth is, the Jazz do not have a great record of drafting first rounders that end up making a long-term impact on the team. And that is irritating to us fans.

    I am neither a Jimmer hater nor worshiper, but believe the Jazz should go big at 3 and take Jimmer at 12 if he's available. What coach would stop any player from shooting from any range if that player makes a high enough percentage? If a player could make 38% from half court, the coach would demand he shoot from there.

    One thing not commented on much: Think of the impact a great long-range shooter has on stretching the defense, especially with good ball movement.


  • oldschool Farmington, UT
    June 20, 2011 1:46 a.m.

    Your logic defies understanding. The NBA has 82 games? That applies to every prospect, including Jimmer, who is as well-conditioned as any prospect. Because guards "traditionally" penetrate the Jazz defense, Utah shouldn't take Jimmer, who tested great in dexterity and quickness at the draft combine? Never mind that Jimmer has outplayed every guard he has ever gone up against with the exception of the USA team guards (who were impressed). or that Jimmer's NBA team workouts were impressive. Or he scored more points last year than any college player in 20 years and ended up the No. 4 passer in conference history. Ot that he outplayed Kemba Walker. Your criticism of Fredette's size is ridiculous and deceptive. Deron Williams is 6'3" in shoes and Jimmer is 6'2" in shoes, which is the average height for a starting point guard in the NBA. So Deron is big and Jimmer is small? Give me a break. Didn't you read how the pros auditioning Jimmer were impressed by his size, athleticism, length, quickness and even his defense? If Utah passes on Jimmer, I predict the Jazz will rue the day.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 19, 2011 10:44 p.m.

    Jesse: Amen.

  • Jesse Tooele, UT
    June 19, 2011 10:18 p.m.

    The crazy Jimmer fanatics make it hard to be on the Jimmer bandwagon. Like a few sane posters have mentioned, his skill set is why I would like him here. How often do you find a player that has that kind of shooting touch and can also create his own shot? He can also create for others. His assist numbers weren't great but if you watched him play you saw him create countless open looks for teammates. His athletic ability measures up just fine with current NBA players & potential draftees, his combine numbers prove that. Also, 6'1" is not short for a point, it's average. I hate the comparisons to Reddick and Morrison. The only comparison I can see with those players is he is white and was great in college, but their games were all much different.

    With that being said, if they go in another direction, they may still find a player they need and I will still be the same Jazz fan i've always been. Singleton would certainly fill a need at SF.

  • JazzRule Bountiful, UT
    June 19, 2011 9:41 p.m.

    People who claim they will no longer be a Jazz fan if Jimmer is or isn't drafted were never Jazz fans to begin with. So I say to you, good riddance (bbaljunkie I'm looking at you).

    I love how people act like he is this sure thing and want to ignore any kind of criticism that people have of him.

    There is an endless list of articles that talk about concerns about Jimmer Fredette as an NBA player. I suggest people who are currently worshipping him go read them.

    @Black Shirts

    Jazz do not have an interest problem...They were 2nd in T.V. ratings behind the Spurs, had 7th in overall average attendance for this last season (a bad year) and they are one of 10 teams with 10,000 or more season ticket holders.

    And no, it isn't BYU haters that don't like Jimmer as an NBA player. If you didn't know he is ranked 20-30th best prospect by most scouts (no not mock drafts) DX has Jimmer ranked 28th best prospect.

  • byubutler Smithfield, UT
    June 19, 2011 9:29 p.m.

    Yea, but who is going to stop Jimmer? The best reason for the Jazz to draft Jimmer is that Ute fans are going to have to explain away great game, after great game, after great game until they can't stand it any more and move out of state! Go Jimmer!!

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    June 19, 2011 9:23 p.m.

    I have usually respected Brad Rock's opinion until now...

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    June 19, 2011 8:50 p.m.

    Discussing and/or arguing the draft, to say nothing of the future careers of the draftees, reminds me a lot of theological discussions or debates on evolution. The opinions are varied across the whole spectrum, people are adamant in their beliefs, and yet nobody knows. In all three situations, everybody will be greatly surprised by the truth as it rolls out.

  • bballjunkie Cedar Hills, UT
    June 19, 2011 8:40 p.m.

    If the jazz don't draft Jimmer, I will have a new favorite team to follow. And I will chant at the games he comes to (ESA) with my jimmer jersey "you got Jimmered" all night long and he will drop 20+, who going to guard him? All you Jimmer can't play "D" fans Price, Harris, Watson oh yea CJ! never mind Jimmer with one of his many 50 plus point games when he comes to the ESA.

  • GregKayStL Troy, IL
    June 19, 2011 7:57 p.m.

    Mavs proved championships are won with chemistry then determination - the right pieces wanting the same thing. Jimmer, like all draftees is unproven at the NBA level..period. He needs to become the right piece for the Jazz. To Brad's point, let Jimmer cut his teeth somewhere else, make his name, come back with a scuffy beard and a tattoo, become a veteran who has some blood on his hands. He'll be much more valuable to the Jazz then.

  • Jazzsmack Holladay, UT
    June 19, 2011 7:39 p.m.

    RE: G-swenz

    YOur comment is rather racist, and steroetypical like Rock's article,

    IF I read it right, you are saying he is more like other white players than black players,

    (is that because he is white?)

    why don't you just come straight out and say it.

    Jimmer is plenty atheletic,

    and more importantly a great basketball player, and great scorer and shooter,

    something the jazz really need,

    something the jazz or any team should not pass up on.

    All other guards and forwards have deficiencies in their game, no offense, no defense, no IQ, can't pass, can't shoot, a tweener, can't dribble, too thin, etc.

    Jimmer is a complete and great basketball player,

    worthy of a 12th pick and should go much higher.

  • Jeds Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2011 7:04 p.m.

    @Black Shirts

    You have learned nothing, haven't you?

  • Black Shirts South Jordan, UT
    June 19, 2011 6:59 p.m.

    JazzRule | 5:07 p.m. June 19, 2011
    Bountiful, UT

    No, not drafting Jimmer will just be another hit to the shaky foundation of the Jazz. They were beyond bad last year and losing tons of fans and having the local kid dropping 20+ on them 2-5 times a year will be laughable.

    The only people (UTE FANS) who don't like Jimmer are just BYU haters. The difference is BYU fans wouldnt have any problem with Van Horn coming to the Jazz in his day. These are the same people saying Kimba was better. Well Jimmer took Kimba to school.

  • Jeds Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2011 6:54 p.m.

    Anybody who wants to turn this into an issue of faith and/or BYU-Utah rivalry should just quit posting. Even national reporters, those with no association or affiliation to either of the aforementioned are also divided on the issue - It has nothing to do with that! Yet still we have these fanatical maniacs who couldn't possibly pass on even the slightest of opportunities to bash 'the other side'. Some people need to grow up.

    And to those who bash on Rock: Look, he's human and has opinions too. Nobody's calling you an idiot for your opinion - Neither should you call him an idiot for his. Some people have yet to learn how not to be offended when others disagree with them. Get over it.

    I don't know if Jimmer will be great, or a franchise-changer, but he very well could have a decent NBA career. The kid works hard. Maybe not a bad pickup at 12. At 3? Heavens no. But 12, yes, maybe. I also think Singleton and Thompson would be good pickups at 12.

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    June 19, 2011 6:47 p.m.

    Nobody thought Stockton was a HOF lock coming out of college. Drafting is largely guessing and getting lucky. That said, very few players won the awards that Jimmer got and ended up busts in the NBA. At 12, I'd take him, no question.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 19, 2011 5:44 p.m.

    I think the Jazz need a very good point guard first. Irving or Knight. No other point guard in the draft has as much of a complete game as those two. If you can't get either of them, take Williams or Kanter at 3. Then take Jimmer if available at 12. If he's not, take the best 2 or 3 that had a solid defensive game in college. Miles and Bell aren't cutting it.

  • JazzRule Bountiful, UT
    June 19, 2011 5:07 p.m.

    @Black Shirts

    Yes because not drafting Jimmer will make the Jazz a permanent lottery team and eventually lead to them being sold.

    "Rolls Eyes"

    Seriously, the Jimmer worship has reached new heights of pathetic and disturbing.

  • Tyler Holladay, UT
    June 19, 2011 4:58 p.m.

    STOP comparing Jimmer to Stockton. That is such a laughable comparison. Even comparing him to DWill is a joke. Take off your blue tinted glasses.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2011 4:57 p.m.

    This is a pretty pathetic draft class anyway, I wouldn't mind if Jimmer were taken at 12 though it'd probably be best for Jimmer if he were taken at 13 go to phoenix and develop behind Nash.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    June 19, 2011 4:19 p.m.

    "If the Jazz draft big with #3, they would be stupid not to draft Fredette with #12. He addresses needs the Jazz have."

    Agreed. That's what I've been saying too. It all depends on that #3 pick. Will Jimmer be around at the 12? Around 1/3 of "gurus" have him going before that, most notably the 7 to Sacramento. So even if they don't take a PG at 3, they may not get a chance at Jimmer either. Then what?

    Jimmer was made for the Jazz.

  • G-Swenz Providence, UT
    June 19, 2011 3:30 p.m.

    Scoring 28 a game in the NCAA going in the NBA, is like scoring 28 a game in H.S. going into College.

    It's a very good thing to have, but it does not by any means guarantee a player is going to be good let alone great.

    Looking at past players I'd say Jimmer is far more likely to be a J.J. Redick, or even Adam Morrisson type of player, than ending up being Derrick Rose. If he is there at 12, and you have someone like Chris Singleton sitting there, I am much more worried about the Jazz passing up someone who has the ideal measurables, and played in the ACC rather than the MWC.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 19, 2011 3:09 p.m.

    I know there are fanatics when it comes to Jimmer and I hope they cool there jets alittle , I love Jimmers game (most of it) but I don't have any outlandish ideas about how good he will end up being, I don't have any idea about whether or not he will be a role player or whether or not he might end up making an allstar team one day. I don't want to say he can't or won't but I'm not going to say he will either. The reason I want the Jazz to draft Jimmer is because the skill set he has would help the Jazz be a better team. The Jazz need what Jimmer can bring, namely great outside shooting and a player that can put the ball on the floor and create for himself and others. His D will be adequate, he is a better athlete than some want to give him credit for. If the Jazz take Jimmer it will be because they appreciate his skills and what he will bring to help the team, not because he's from BYU or because the fans want him. JonasorKanter at 3, JimmerorSingleton at 12

  • Duh west jordan, ut
    June 19, 2011 3:00 p.m.

    Right now there is no one who stands out in this draft. Williams from Arizona is about the only player I can see that has what the Jazz need but he won't be around. Picking freshman players is always a big risk. Giving them all that money without being proven is even a bigger risk. Not many coming out early with only their freshmen year pan out but there have been some. I love Jimmer but I think he will fit in for someone else better than the Jazz. I seriously doubt the Jazz will take him but, hey that's what the draft is for. All we can do is wait to see how these players turn out in a year or two. Good luck Jimmer.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    June 19, 2011 2:51 p.m.

    Rock is blowing nonsense. Jimmer is quicker/faster than DWill. He will defend just as well. It is time the media dealt with reality.

    1. The Jazz know Jimmer better than any player on the board and the have 4 years of film. They are not going to make a mistake about Jimmer. They already know if they want him. They now exactly what they are going to get. STOP placating the Jimmer haters.

    2. If they make a mistake it will be in undervaluing or overvaluing one of the other players like Knight or one of the bigs who are really difficult to evalutate.

    3. The undersized argument is shot by DAL who played 3 undersized Gs at a time. Further, the Jazz run best with 2 PGs in the game.

    The Jazz either want Jimmer or they don't. They have their own reasons. Jimmer is not going to be a bust and he would help Utah. Is he the best draftee? That depends on how accurate their appraisal is of the competing draftees.

    KOC is blowing a smoke screen to hide draft Jimmer or is against Jimmer.

    The rebuild takes 2 years. Jimmer is a small part.

  • HappyLDSUte PROVO, UT
    June 19, 2011 2:29 p.m.

    @Black shirts
    It's Cougar fans like you that make me embarassed for my Cougar fan friends. For the record, I think Jimmer is an incredible ball player and am 100% in the "Jazz draft Jimmer camp." And by the way, every Ute fan that I am aware of thinks Jimmer is going to have a great career in the NBA. Not only can the kid do that, but he has a classy attitude. Maybe you and the embarassing Ute/Cougar fans out there should "learn how to Jimmer," which is more than banking 3's, but having a humble and respectful attitude towards your rivals...

  • 3grandslams N. Liberty, IA
    June 19, 2011 2:17 p.m.

    Another article on stereotypes. Rock hasn't been paying attention to the NBA workouts Jimmer has completed, nor did he remember Jimmer's shooting percentages didn't reflect a tired Jimmer but physical defense by THREE defenders rather than one.

    Jimmer will do very well as a starter in the NBA because he can create and set up teamates.

    Just watch Rock. His success is as easy to see coming as christmas.

  • Black Shirts South Jordan, UT
    June 19, 2011 1:46 p.m.

    JazzRule | 11:26 a.m. June 19, 2011
    Bountiful, UT

    You'll be sad when Jimmer is dropping 30 on the 22-60 Jazz that are up for sale. That's probably ok with you. The Jazz will be like your running utes, sad BB.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    June 19, 2011 1:23 p.m.

    If the Jazz had ten picks, they would not select Jimmer. If they had twenty, they would not select Jimmer. If Jimmer was 6 inches taller, 25% faster, could jump a foot higher, was the greatest defensive player in the draft...they would still not select Jimmer.

  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    June 19, 2011 1:01 p.m.

    Brad you made me laugh. You come up with some pretty funny stuff. You are never serious so I don't take this article too serious. I've watched Fredette play throughout his college career. I know the guys a baller and one of the 14 best players in the draft. He has the awards and a seat in the green room to prove it.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 19, 2011 1:00 p.m.

    In regards to what ResoluteVoice said: It may be a smart thing for the Jazz to draft Euro players, they seem to like it here and don't want to fly the coup as soon as they can. Jonas V or Kanter, (possibly Vesely) would be good picks at 3 that would probably stay as long as AK , that would be good, (if they turn out to be as good as we hope), Jimmer would be another player that would be satified to stay with the Jazz for the long hall. Jonas V & Jimmer, or Kanter & Jimmer would be my top choices.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 19, 2011 12:53 p.m.

    CJMiles: The criticism you recieved was because you were unrealistic and CJ's criticism wouldn't have been nearly so bad if he had been consistent on offense. CJ's defense wasn't as bad as some would have you think but the fact he was sooo inconsistent on offense made it hard for fans to ignor his defense. Stats show CJ's defense wasn't that bad, it was about the same as DWill's. Jimmer will play better D than people think, he won't be a liability, like Korver was, he just won't be a stopper.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    June 19, 2011 12:37 p.m.

    To Brad Rock:


    Not Picking Fredette Could Wind Up Frustrating the Utah Jazz!

  • President Joker Washington, DC
    June 19, 2011 12:06 p.m.

    Jimmermania reminds me of a little story that happened in dallas texas starting back in 1981. The whole city had this godly worship of this family of athletes called the von erich's. They thought they were gods and could do nobody any wrong. The pressure for them to be what the public perceived them as led them all to get heavily addicted to drugs and all but one of them to commit suicide. So take it from some people who know, godly worship is a very very dangerous thing. I think it would be better in the long run If jimmer were to go play somewhere else because this pressure that his fans are putting on him to be this godly basketball player could end up being his undoing. Just because he is LDS will not make him immune to such a tragedy.

  • Resolute Voice Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2011 11:50 a.m.

    Jimmer is NOT Stockton. While there is a reasonable comparison to size there is no comparison to quickness. Stockton was far quicker out of college than Jimmer is right now. The Jazz have many glaring needs that Jimmer cannot fill. AK, Memo, and Fez are dead weight and do nothing to help the Jazz compete in a tall, long, and tough Western Conference. The Jazz are small and slow. Jimmer does not fix that. As for Knight how does he help the Jazz get taller and faster? At the end of the day these picks are nice but in 5 years both players will be gone to higher profile teams, D-Will anyone? Better to bundle the picks and get a player who will be around for a while.

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    June 19, 2011 11:48 a.m.

    Brad is good at being...funny.

    Brad does not analyze talent very well.

    Keep being funny Brad....Ha ha! You crack me up!

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    June 19, 2011 11:30 a.m.

    I got hammered all year long by all the posters on here on how bad CJ was on defense. If CJ can't defend in the NBA, why in the world would you think Jimmer would be an asset to the Jazz who are poor at defense to begin with?

    At the end of the day, you have to build your team around defense to win championships. That's why AJ needs to go too. Now is the time for the Jazz to change the culture of this weak-minded team defensively. It's time to draft players who play on both ends of the court and trade those who don't to Phoenix and NY.

  • JazzRule Bountiful, UT
    June 19, 2011 11:26 a.m.

    Amazing how the Jimmer homers descend and want to crucify anyone who would dare criticize their chosen one.

    I will be so happy on Thursday when Stern does not announce Jimmer at either the #3 or #12 picks :)

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 19, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    Fredette is not good enough to be a top 5 pick. 7 is probably too early because there are some really talented players left and it is too early to be drafting for position. Once you hit the 10th pick most players, according to history, will not even be average players and will stick only a few years in the league on average. At this point Jimmer compares well with the rest of the available players in terms of areas of strength. If the Jazz draft big with #3, they would be stupid not to draft Fredette with #12. He addresses needs the Jazz have. A tough nosed backup point with the ability to change a game and create his own shots. Something Korver could not do. He can also drive and draw fouls. He is the best outside shooter in the draft this year. He admits he needs to work hard to become stronger in all areas and he will give everything he has until the day he hangs up his sneakers. Unlike many players in the draft, he does not think he is Gods gift to basketball fans everywhere. He remains humble,

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    June 19, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    Jimmer will be the best number one player ever.

  • Tuffy Parker Salem, UT
    June 19, 2011 11:23 a.m.

    The problem with Mr. Rock's logic is that it can be applied to 85% - 90% of all early draft picks. Very, very few make a significant impact right our of the gate and by the time they start to make a contribution it's time for free agency...

  • Black Shirts South Jordan, UT
    June 19, 2011 11:12 a.m.

    The Jazz will be sold by 2015 if they don't pick Jimmer. Knight will be another DW and what to play in big ????, if he's even good enough.

  • md Smithfield, UT
    June 19, 2011 11:07 a.m.

    We need a big at the 3. Knights own coach said he would draft Kanter #1. At #3, he will be just fine, unless Williams falls from #2. At 12, we haven't exactly kept players taken in the teens. What do we have to lose? We have more 2nd rounders stick than 1st rounders.

    Draft Jimmer. He isn't as slow as people want you to believe. Perhaps some race bias?

    Draft Jimmer...

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 19, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    Rock, you need to do your homework so you don't look so bad, your way off. Jimmer has proven to be plenty quick to compete with any of the point guards in this draft or in the NBA, Jimmer uses stop and go, hesitation, change of direction, crossovers, banging into his defender,etc to create seperation and get himself open, he'll be albe to do that at the nest level too. Listen to the nba scouts who have looked closer at Jimmer, they don't have a problem with his athleticism or game.

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    June 19, 2011 10:26 a.m.

    Hey Rock, Draft Knight instead and develop him so in 5 years the Jazz can trade him for a top 10 pick because he does not want to play in Utah anymore but is searching out the big time in LA, NY, South Beach, etc. Then we can start this whole process over again!!!

    Wasn't that hall of fame PG we had a few years back to small, not quick enough, and couldn't play defense?

    I remember a shot from deep behind the 3 pt arc one year that sent the Jazz to their first NBA finals.

    Guy was tough as nails though.

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    June 19, 2011 10:22 a.m.

    Rock, the best point you make are the Jazz are deficient on perimeter defense and they need help shooting the outside shot. Jimmer helps with one of those two so trade down and get the kid from Florida St or Burks from Colorado to help with the other.

    Harris has done well as a starting PG. Where's his D. Steve Nash anyone (MVP).

    Jimmer will be fine wherever he ends up and has the potential to thrive put into the right system with the right players around him.

    If the Jazz pass on him at 12 they better pray he does not develop into a better PG than Knight at 3 or they'll hear it for many years to come and it could end up costing some jobs. Or rather should end up costing some jobs (I forgot this is the Jazz front office where everyone is family first and the business of winning comes second. Take care your own whether they desrve it or not.)

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    June 19, 2011 10:15 a.m.

    I'm sorry rock but did you watch any BYU games this year? Jimmer always had "bigger, stronger, and more athletic" people guarding him. One is a potential top 10 pick (Leonard). None of them succeeded and all needed help.

    The NBA is faster but there will be more skilled players around Jimmer thee as well. He will and cannot be double teamed every night. His assists will likley double. How frustrating was it to watch Jimmer pass to a wide open teammate who missed an open jumper, even though Jimmer had 4 defenders surrounding him.

    You also mention Knight being ready to play now but read any mock draft and they all say Jimmer is probably the most NBA ready player there is right now.

    You mention adjusting to a longer season. That is something every college player has to make. Did Jimmer get tired. It appeared so but did you watch the second half of the MWC schedule. None of the refs knew how to blow a whistle when Jimmer had the ball. 1 foul shot when he laid out New Mexico for 52!

  • JustAnotherName Alpine, UT
    June 19, 2011 10:10 a.m.

    We certainly don't want the Jazz to put a player on the floor that most of us actually want to see.

    What a nightmare for the 4000 Ute basketball fans of which a few hundred also follow the Jazz.

    Go ahead, Jazz, disappoint once again.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    June 19, 2011 10:07 a.m.

    Brad, you are absolutely clueless on Fredette. You must have a twin brother who writes for the Sun in San Bernardino. He is also clueless when it comes to evaluating athletes. You have failed to read the comments of team members when it comes to defending and you have also failed to read and understand what other teams have said about his quickness and speed. You also think Jimmer is so stupid that he would not learn how to make nuance changes in his approach to the basket to avoid it being blocked.

    Also why would a coach not want him to shoot 35 foot shots if he can make 43% of them. Brad you should get another job where you can look a little more savy. Right now you show you have written about sports, but do not understand sports.

  • Sacramento Native FAIR OAKS, CA
    June 19, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    Hey Brad:
    The Kings would love to have Jimmer. He would help to fill the seats at I mean Power Balance Pavilion. And next year he would have even more fans in Anaheim.

  • Black Shirts South Jordan, UT
    June 19, 2011 9:54 a.m.

    Jimmer is better than Knight now! However, because he doesn't look like a "NBA PLAYER" (Stereotype, think about it) he is "SLOW". Everyone said Kimba was better, but Jimmer took him to school. Jimmer would have taken Knight to school if he had the &*lls to go against him. Everyone forgets that Jimmer isn't just a Riddick that spots up. Jimmer can create his own shot, drive the lane, and pass.

    Dont' have a heart attack. Jimmer is better than Stockton was after College. 99% of the people who dont want Jimmer on the Jazz are Ute fans who are traumatized by all the BYU publicity created by Jimmer. Watching Jimmer score 30 on the Jazz would be great vindication. If the Jazz dont pick him the team that does just got millions of new fans all buying jerseys.

    Trade Harris and Draft Jimmer and youll still have a team in three years.

  • Give Me A Break Pullman, WA
    June 19, 2011 9:37 a.m.

    There is not room in this newspaper to tell of all the top fast athletic players who disappointed in the NBA, so what we know for sure is we don't know anything. Dont throw away another pick. Go with the Jimmer. I think the work ethic Jimmer has demonstrated during four years of college should be given high marks and make him a more likely performer in the NBA. Brandon Knight is a kid and is untested. Jimmer has proven himself a winner. Don't doubt him. He is going to make someone very happy they picked him.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    June 19, 2011 9:36 a.m.

    Prejudice! Pure and simple. Passing judgment on Fredette like this before he has even stepped onto an NBA court is a "White Men Can't Jump" generalization that is unfair to a true and deserving talent. I hope he proves sports writers everywhere how unintelligent and biased they really are. No other unproven commodity is suffering this kind of ridiculous scrutiny. Stop it already!

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 19, 2011 9:14 a.m.

    Brad, you're way off.

    1st, it's obvious from anyone bothering to look it up, Jimmer's height is similar to MANY successful NBA point guards.

    2nd, no coach is going to shackle a player's range, especially when that range is as consistent and hard to guard as Jimmer's. Jimmer's cross-over can break down a defense if guarded too closely outside the trey line.

    3rd, name a PG who can consistently guard any other NBA PG. There isn't one. Quick PGs get by other quick PGs all the time. Team defense is the key to any successful team, and the finals showed that.

    4th, Barea isn't quicker or faster than Jimmer. His shortness made it easier for him to get around guys by dribbling UNDER them.

    5th, the Jazz might need to draft two PGs, because they only have one under contract, and he's definitely not the PG of the Jazz future--can't run a team effectively (too much of an Iverson type). And, Watson, if they bring him back, will always be a backup.

    6th, Fredette CAN score at the rim, in traffic, getting bumped, and around taller shot blockers. He'll see the free throw line a lot.

  • MGB Saint George, UT
    June 19, 2011 9:13 a.m.

    It is hard for me to understand all the criticism he gets. You do not become the BEST PLAYER in college on scoring alone. Look at the criticism Larry Bird got. Slow white kid that can not jump or defend. With his intellegence and character he will adapt very quickly to the NBA. Other guards will have just as much trouble guarding him as he may have guarding them. His overall stats were just as good as all the other guards in the draft. He led BYU in both scoring and assists and had decent rebounds. And his assits to turn over ratio was not bad as he was double and triple teamed and mugged so much of the time. No, I think he will become a star in the NBA.

  • Conservative Democrat Omaha, NE
    June 19, 2011 9:11 a.m.

    There seems to be a growing knock on Fredette about his inability to fit within the NBA - I beg to differ. BYU's game plan was not built on the athleticism of its players but on the quick strike because any member of the team could score from anywhere on the floor. Fredette thrived in that environment because he was always one step ahead of the defenders - not quickness but floor sense (like a quarterback reading the defense before the snap). Fredette was a team player at BYU - I watched game after game where he would go 5 and 7 minutes without shooting - passing to the open man. He would still get his points later on when he became the open man. Did he force the ball? Of course he did, especially when his teammates were not scoring and points were needed. What NBA player doesn't do that? I am sure that Fredette would prefer not to carry the team, but he excels when he does just like past and present NBA greats do. His size is a non-issue when you consider that small players have succeeded in the past. The Jazz would be strengthened by drafting him.

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz Provo, UT
    June 19, 2011 9:07 a.m.

    Clearly athleticism is everything Rock. There is no way Jimmer can be a star because he can't be like Stockton or Nash or even Jason Kidd for that matter. Not to mention Jimmer is more athletic than he is given credit for, I mean did you see the SI cover?

    Also Ronnie Price and Earl Watson aren't under contract for next year so why does Jimmer need to wait 4 years for them to move on? If the Jazz go big with the first pick they should pick Jimmer if he is still available at 12.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2011 8:54 a.m. encourages a civil dialogue among its readers. We welcome your thoughtful comments.

    Especially after so little thought was put into the article...

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    June 19, 2011 8:34 a.m.

    Replace the name Fredette with Stockton and this could be an article prior to John Stockton be drafted. If the Jazz aren't willing to take a little risk then they will get what they asked for, a quick athletic player that does nothing for them because they lack the intangibles. Fredette is full of intangibles as was Stockton. Fredette might turn out to be an average NBA player, but at 12 I think the risk is worth the potential reward.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    June 19, 2011 8:24 a.m.

    Wow, lots of negatives, Brad. Why don't you just say "Don't take Jimmer?"

    As far as your article, I remember when they doubted Shawn Bradley "could play an 82-game NBA schedule." That's as trite a line as Utah educators saying the per-pupil spending is the lowest in the nation; we've heard those gripes for over 50 years but where's their solutions for education reform? In your case, where's the one obvious "golden draftable athlete" the Jazz need? (Hint: They've never had a great "big man" - NEVER.)

    Why admit that style took precedence over function when buying a car? Could perhaps emotional attachment or a biased opinion rendering controversial on-the-edge reporting take precedence over substance in your sports opinions, too?

    Isn't it strange how Jimmer was hard to officiate, is a puzzle to those deciding where he should be drafted and doesn't really fit the NBA Culture (thankfully), but no one ever said he was a jerk, hard to play with, difficult to coach or failed to give his all during a game?

    Maybe the qualities that matter most aren't the ones being discussed because they're obvious. Aren't you really just trying to sell newspapers?

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    June 19, 2011 8:22 a.m.

    It's a good thing that it does not matter to anyone what Brad thinks.

    Jimmer we do very well in his profession...and I doubt NBA execs are listening to Brad.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2011 8:15 a.m.

    Nice take on the Jimmer, Mr. Rock. Love the 10 year career back-up because he is too short, too slow, and can't defend the other quick pgs in the leaque. Couple of questions, who can guard these pgs, given the current "no-touch" rules. Williams is slow, and had almost no interest in defense, but he is an all-star. Fact is Jimmer may be slower, but he is by far the strongest built of any of the top four guards in this draft. He will always be able to get his shot off, and no player in the country, especially in the NBA faced the defensive pressure Jimmer faced every game. But, the Jazz should not take him, because a difference maker should go some place else where they have a real chance to win.

  • herrminer Saratoga Springs, UT
    June 19, 2011 8:15 a.m.

    Do not underestimate The Jimmer!

  • daddman Ogden, UT
    June 19, 2011 7:46 a.m.

    Being objective about Jimmer in this market could get a contract put out on the author's life. I just read an article where a good share of the posters thought the Jazz should take Fredette at #3.

  • gizmo33 St. George, Utah
    June 19, 2011 7:41 a.m.

    who needs him let him go hes so over rated its pathetic

  • Realistic Goggles Alpine, UT
    June 19, 2011 6:56 a.m.

    OK. Picking Jimmer is a risk. That is true. However, picking anyone other than Kyrie Irving is also a risk.

    You state flatly about Brandon Knight, "The Kentucky guard is athletic and skilled enough to thrive immediately." That is not true. Knight will take at least a couple of years to develop. Right now, he is not a true point guard, he has problems shooting, he suffers from a lack of court vision, and is not known as a good facilitator. Obviously, Knight has some virtues (size, quickness, defense) and has tremendous upside, too, but he will not automatically start clicking at the NBA level and make the Jazz a contender right away.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    June 19, 2011 6:25 a.m.

    Rock says: "NBA Draft: Picking Jimmer Fredette could wind up frustrating for Jazz"

    Not any more frustrating than picking DWill and all the rest O'Connor and the powers that be have done since Stockton and Malone.

    Of course Kevin and Greg were not even involved back then.

    So, get out the dart board. It couldn't be worse than what the powers that be have done since the Laydens went to New York.

    Then, on the other hand, pick Jimmer.

    At worst the Energy Solutions would be filled, at least until they trade him away.

  • AZJazzFan Gold Canyon, az
    June 19, 2011 1:50 a.m.

    NOT picking up Fredette will wind up frustrating for the Jazz. I loved being on the positive end of seeing other teams Jimmered. What would be frustrating is the Jazz being Jimmered.

  • Tyler Holladay, UT
    June 19, 2011 1:25 a.m.

    Thank you! Someone writing an article about Jimmer not blinded by pure love or distain. I look at JJ Redick to examine what Jimmer's career could be like. JJ had unlimited range while in college and could light it up any given night, just like Jimmer. When JJ went to the pros his shooting constancy dropped. While he still put adequate shooting numbers, they were no where near the production he had in college. Jimmer has a better chance of scoring in the NBA than Redick because of his ability to drive, but I think his lack of height and average speed will hinder this ability. The fact is, the NBA is much faster than the college game; open shots in college are no longer open in the pros because of the closing speed these players have.

  • JazzRule Bountiful, UT
    June 19, 2011 1:17 a.m.

    I'm with you Rock!

    Please Jazz, draft Brandon Knight!

    Let Jimmer go to another team and if he does alright, then, like Rock said, sign him or acquire him via trade. But don't use a pick on him.

    Thanks for the article!

  • wiseowl PLEASANTON, CA
    June 19, 2011 1:08 a.m.

    Hey Mr Rock: so you're another Jimmer doubter- ho hum. The only thing I agree with on your amatuerish car analogy is this: I certainly hope Jimmer doesn't end up in Utah because he'd be better off running his creative engine in an end-to-end game in another state and another system. You are just another lazy writer who spews a few numbers referencing some of Jimmer's lower-percentage games without recognizing that Jimmer was double-and triple-teamed ALL year. That is not going to happen in the NBA. NEWS FLASH: Jimmer will have to work hard in the NBA to develop to his full potential (like Stockton/ Nash/ Williams/ Parker/Curry,etc). So what- you don't think Knight and Walker and Irving will have to do the same? Go Jazz! choose more "athletic" players and stay as mediocre as you have been since un-atheletic Stockton left you.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    June 19, 2011 12:52 a.m.

    Very well said Rock. You have put together the entire breakdown of concerns I have about Jimmer.

    Depending on the route the Jazz go early with the 3rd pick, or if they trade picks, I wouldn't be too down if the Jazz picked Jimmer at #12. He has some intrigue with me.

    Despite what many fans vent out when picks don't pan out, the 12th pick is somewhat of a crab shoot anyway.

    Another concern to consider with Jimmer is with the disillusioned Jimmer fans that will clamour about how Jimmer should start and play 30 minutes a night. I would not want to be Tyrone Corbin relative to dealing with that.

  • gogogoff Orem, UT
    June 19, 2011 12:31 a.m.

    wow brad, I hope Jimmer gets taken by the Kings/Suns, and every time he drops 20+ in the ESA, everyone chants YOU GOT JIMMERED!

  • CaliforniaCougar Lake Elsinore, CA
    June 19, 2011 12:27 a.m.

    And not picking Fredette could end up even more frustrating.

  • Ernesto de Bajo Albuquerque, NM
    June 19, 2011 12:17 a.m.

    The first part of Brad Rock's column is a rehash of what has been written countless times by countless columnists and bloggers. Brad could have just mailed it in or posted a handful of links that make the same points on Jimmer's pluses and minuses.

    The last couple of paragraphs have some original thinking, however, and I find myself agreeing with it. Jimmer is better off starting his NBA career somewhere else. If he and the Jazz are destined for each other, it can easily happen later.