Utah Jazz notebook: Jimmer Fredette says he's not just a shooter

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  • Morgan Duel Taylorsville, UT
    June 18, 2011 9:36 p.m.

    Guess who is the only Jazz Number #1 pick since 1983 to have an NBA Title.

    The 2000 pick DeShawn Stevenson. Wow the Jazz really know how to pick players that go on to great heights.

    If you look at the list even the two greats Karl and John never won a Championship either with the Jazz or otherwise.

    Shandon Anderson won an NBA championship in 2006 with the Miami Heat but he was not a first round pick.

    Way to go DeShawn. Great player evaluation Jazz keep up the good work.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2011 2:29 p.m.

    Anybody know if Jimmer worked out with any top 10 teams other than Sacramento?
    (keeping in mind that the Jazz worked him out as a 12, not a 3)

  • Morgan Duel Taylorsville, UT
    June 18, 2011 4:52 a.m.

    Jazz Roster 2011-2012:

    Kirilenko will be gone;
    Okur will not be back;
    Fesenko is a waste;

    Bell; Elson;
    Evans; Miles;
    Favors; Millsap;
    Harris; Price;
    Hayward; Watson;

    All Dunkers no shooters;
    No Defense, clog up the inside and what can you win with that team?

    Time to Trade if that is possible!!

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 17, 2011 10:10 p.m.

    @ Anti Bush-Obama,

    And Jimmer has talent, as well as heart and work ethic. How else can he shoot treys so consistently from such great distance?

    From what the different evaluations with teams has shown, he has other talents, too.

    He'll become a superstar in the NBA. He'll Jimmer his doubters. Again. He's been consistent with this.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    June 17, 2011 3:11 p.m.

    Dirk had one thing that seperates him from people that have "Heart" and "Work ethic", that's TALENT. Something that no player outside of Iriving, Knight, Kanter and Williams has in this draft. Sure Heart and Work ethic is good for role players and they will win some games for you but if you want to win it all you need Talent. Duncan has Talent. Kobe has Talent. Wade has Talent. ev Lebron has Talent. Melo has Talent and so fourth. Almost every single ALL-Star has Talent.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 17, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    @ President Joker (8:18am),

    Matthews showed good defensively, but offensively he's no Jimmer. A wash.

    Matthews is also a 2, Jimmer's a 1. Therefore, "bigger" is irrelevant.

    So what's your point?

    @ President Joker (8:20am),

    Looks like you didn't watch much of Jimmer's college career---just assumed he's a run-n-gun guy 'cause he made his name scoring so much.

    Earlier in his senior year he didn't try to score so much because he had Davies. He actually did run the team more than he was able to later when he ran out of assist options.

    In the Jazz workout, even Kemba was praising Jimmer's passing ability.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    June 17, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    Jimmer reminds me of Larry Bird.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    June 17, 2011 10:15 a.m.

    President Joker

    What??? Did you not watch the NBA finals at all? Did you not see Dirk practicing every shot possible so he would be able to do it in a game?

    Heart, and work ethic do not equal championships?

    It shows you have never played a sport, never had to commit to being better, never had to practice until it hurts...

    You haven't got a clue what NBA players do, how hard they work, or how much heart is needed to win a championship.

    I'll take that bet on Jimmer. It's not a Hollywood story that he is where he is right now, it's because he's got all those things you don't think he needs.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 17, 2011 9:19 a.m.

    President Joker: Your way wrong on your statement that Heard and work ethic don't win championships, you can have all the talent in the world and if you don't work and have heart you won't be a winner. CJ has a ton of talent but he lacks work ethic and heart and he struggles. Mathews has less talent but more heart and greater work ethic and he is excelling. People don't realize how important work ethic, heart, motor, etc are in finding a player who will develop up to their potential. It is very important.

  • President Joker Washington, DC
    June 17, 2011 8:20 a.m.

    Like Steve Nash, Jimmer is a run and gun player. Run and Gun players do not win championships. We better be pretty darn good defensivley if jimmer is out on the floor.

  • President Joker Washington, DC
    June 17, 2011 8:18 a.m.


    If I remember correctly unlike Jimmer, Matthews could play defense and was bigger.

  • President Joker Washington, DC
    June 17, 2011 8:10 a.m.

    I could care a less about Jimmers "work ethic". You could say earl watson has a great work ethic but that didn't turn him into an All-Star. Thedays of a player spending their entire careers with one team are over unless that team wins championships. I would rather have a championship than "heart" or "work ethic" any day of the week. Heart and Work ethic only win in the movies.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    June 17, 2011 2:01 a.m.

    "Jimmer Fredette says he's not just a shooter."

    Utah'95 says he's better looking than Brad Pitt.

    What we say about ourselves often doesn't mean as much as what others think about us.

    That being said, I wish Jimmer well at the next level. He demonstrated a freakish ability to creat his own shot and knock it down from downtown in college. I can't wait to see how his game translates to the NBA.

  • amgolfer Malibu, CA
    June 16, 2011 9:54 p.m.

    JazzRule--then don't read the posts. It's as simple as that.

    JazzSource--I quote you, "Jimmer has to answer some legitimate questions in these workouts because considering his size and the position he will have to play he has to become a big-time passer and a much better defender."

    Yep, I am pretty sure he has answered your questions with stellar and "legitimate" workouts for several teams. I'm also fairly sure he has exceeded expectations and shut a lot of naysayers up regarding his supposed lackluster D. It's getting old holding onto this myth. Let's get w/ the program and follow the action as he is the real deal whether you hate him or not. JF will go top 10 in the draft--enough said regarding his well rounded talents.....any other questions he needs to answer? :-) Hmmmm, probably not. Go Jazz....

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    June 16, 2011 7:43 p.m.

    "Weiner/Jimmer 2012'

    I second that!

  • Observation-ist Ogden, UT
    June 16, 2011 7:19 p.m.

    KOC doesn't have ultra-tight lips. You just have to listen real hard and digest everthing he does say. Which is what makes me worried. My personal preference for this draft is to take Jonas Valenciunas at 3 (energetic, hard working, tenatious big which is rare) and Jimmer at 12 as a backup PG and slides to the SG when some instant O is needed.

    I'm worried because, paraphrasing 'I don't think you show (your a complete basketball player) in 30 minutes ... our evaluation will be on his 4 years in college, especially his last 2'. That strongly suggests that, with KOC, Jimmer can't escape his college performance. He was not good (that's being kind) defending in college.

    The only possible way Jimmer is in a Jazz uniform is if KOC decides to go big at 3 and Jimmer is available at 12. That's extremely unlikely eventhough it's my preferred choice. We'll see

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    June 16, 2011 5:32 p.m.

    Here's the thing about Jimmer: He has a great work ethic and the desire to be the best.

    Many of the top picks are top picks based on their physical abilities and God-given body. Many aren't ambitious, many don't have a great work ethic, many won't work to improve. These young guys picked after their freshman year, many will be crap-shoots.

    Karl Malone got better each and every offseason. He found an aspect in his game to improve and he worked. Many of these guys, even many of the top 10, won't do that.

    Jimmer will work his butt of until the day he retires. He will improve each year. He may or may not be a star, but there is ZERO chance he will be a bust or a wasted pick.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    June 16, 2011 5:27 p.m.

    Jazz Source | 1:29 p.m. June 16, 2011
    Alpine, UT
    What did Jimmer do in the BYU offense?

    Shoot alot and play very little defense. Did he pile up the assists there? Did he make all his team mates alot better? Or was he the whole show?


    Here's the thing about an assist: the guy you pass to has to hit the shot for it to be an assist. Jimmer passed, sometimes they hit the shot, sometimes they didn't. Perhaps you forgot he had 10 assists against San Diego State and a player who is supposed to be a top 10 pick on the strength of his defense.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 16, 2011 1:56 p.m.

    Whether there's a hard salary cap beginning next year could factor into what happens on draft day. Some major trading could happen to make all of the mock drafts way off. It'll be interesting to see what teams do because of next year's uncertainty in the new CBA.

    That said, with as weak as this draft is in long-term talent, the first half dozen or so picks will lap up the best that this draft has to offer. So, I think the Jazz' 12th pick won't amount to much, unless they luck into a sleeper. They'll have another lottery pick next year to try again for a big.

    Whoever the Jazz pick at 3 will have to be someone they really like--a lot. No questionable issues. They can't afford to mess up in this draft after losing D-Will and picking up talent that might take a few years to gel, or even stay with the team.

    Jimmer's the most polarizing draftee in a long, long time, if ever. Be interesting to see where he actually ends up.

  • Jazz Source Alpine, UT
    June 16, 2011 1:29 p.m.

    What did Jimmer do in the BYU offense?

    Shoot alot and play very little defense. Did he pile up the assists there? Did he make all his team mates alot better? Or was he the whole show?

    Does that sound like what the Jazz need?

    Scouts look at the entire body of work and they can only go on what the player has shown in games.

    No wonder people have questions about Jimmer. NBA teams (that have any plans to win anything worthwhile) must have players that can defend one and hopefully 2 positions.

    Jimmer has to answer some legitimate questions in these workouts because considering his size and the position he will have to play he has to become a big-time passer and a much better defender.

  • JazzRule Bountiful, UT
    June 16, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    I can't wait until the draft is over and the Jazz have officially passed on Jimmer. As of late the Jimmerites have made this board insufferable.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    June 16, 2011 10:30 a.m.

    The scouts who actually watch a lot of film already knew Jimmer was quick, fast and could play D whenever he wanted. The ideas that Jimmer is just a shooter and too short was a media thing. After DAL winning and the workouts those perceptions have started to change.

    The workouts don't change Jimmers draft status much. There is 4 years of film on him.

    ALL of the GMs are positioning.

    The latest consensus drafts have the real shooting guards going after 12. The Jazz need shooters who can defend. They need a replacement for AK (maybe immediately).

    If the Jazz did nothing more than get an AK replacement out of this draft they would do well. They should also strengthen the bench.

    I expect the Jazz to try to cut salary to a degree in the draft.

    They are almost forced to go big or PG with the 3. Then they will work a trade. At 12 they have lots of options.

    I think Jimmer makes some sense for the Jazz regardless of who they take at 3. He can shoot.

    It will take 2 years to get the roster and chemistry to settle down.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 16, 2011 8:59 a.m.

    The question isn't whether or not the Jazz like Jimmer and if they would like to draft him, the question is who do they take at 3? Kanter, Jonas V., Jimmer or Knight. To me Jimmer is everybit as good as Knight (better now & potential wise too), so if Knight could be taken at 3, so could Jimmer. I prefer a big at the 3 , but Jimmer won't be there at 12, so how good can he be and how much can he bring to the table? Is he worth picking at 3?

  • CaliforniaCougar Lake Elsinore, CA
    June 16, 2011 7:27 a.m.

    I think an excellent strategy for the Jazz is to learn which teams beneath the No. 3 pick (4-6) have high interest for Brandon Knight. Then, the Jazz could pick Knight and then use him to trade for Fredette, which would then give the Jazz another pick or player on top of receiving Fredette.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    June 16, 2011 7:19 a.m.

    Weiner/Jimmer 2012

  • CaliforniaCougar Lake Elsinore, CA
    June 16, 2011 7:03 a.m.

    Mitt/Jimmer 2012

  • AZJazzFan Gold Canyon, az
    June 16, 2011 1:36 a.m.

    That is wise not to gush openly about Jimmer, why give encouragement to the opposition to take him? Anyway, the Jazz must take him at 3.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 15, 2011 11:37 p.m.

    Corbin's surprise is a little bit of a tip, in spite of O'Connor's tight lips. However, KOC did indicate that he believes Jimmer is comfortable in his own skin.

    That kind of maturity is something the Jazz have always liked. I've only seen bits and pieces about the various interviews, but it seems Jimmer's been impressive in them.

    Maturity is what got Matthews so far along in his career when injuries got him playing time.

    Of all the players in the draft, Jimmer and Kanter have had the best possibility of going higher in the draft than they might first have been tabbed. They seem to be taking advantage of that.

    I like that Jimmer didn't diss his friend (Kemba). Same with Kemba giving good vibes on Jimmer. Is what sportsmanship is all about.