D4BYU: As another 60+ bbjunkie, I agree (except for the OKC thing)Jimmer will
make who ever passes on him wish they hadn't, he has all the tools to score,
spread the floor, and he will prove to be a very good passer. He would be a
great fit for the Jazz, as they need someone who can spread the floor but also
drive and create for his teammates.I really hope the Jazz can get a big
with the #3 pick but if they don't I like Jimmer as much as any other player. To
me Jimmer is everybit as good or better than Knight. Time will tell but who
knows if Knight will ever be as good as Jimmer is now as a shooter, and Jimmer
is better now as a passer, scoring after contact, getting to the line, both
Knight and Jimmer have to learn how to be true point guards but I'm betting
Jimmer will be able to do that just as well as Knight if not better. That being
said, if Knight can be picked at 3, so could Jimmer.
Everyone should expect the unexpected at the draft...and never get your hopes
up...so that you wont be too dissappointed...let the brass work its way
out...all these rookies have is potential...let's just hope that in the next 2-3
years...the draft picks are not a bust...if they go for need...tis outside
shooting...and wing D...and one Interior defender that would anchor the D...on
the coaching side we need...to improve on defensive rotations...i think being
unpredictable is the key...
Combine measurements this year shows that Jimmer is 6' 2.5" (0.75 inches
shorter than Knight and 1.25 inches taller than Walker) with shoes. Round it up
or down depending on your take on Jimmer. The size difference isn't that big of
a factor. It is not like he is 5' 10" like JJ Barea, who just won a
championship. In fact, he is very close to the size of DWill.
There is NO WAY the jazz waste the #3 on Jimmer... and that is what it would be,
a waste. I would like to see the jazz get either Walker or Knight at #3 and take
either Singleton or Thompson at #12. If we end up with Kanter or a big man at
#3, I might reconsider Jimmer at #12 if Walker is gone.
I am seriously stunned by the greatness of Jimmer according to comments here. It
makes me think the Jazz cannot take this guy because if he doesn't get playing
time or doesn't do well, fans will blame the Jazz.I hope he has a
nice 10-year NBA run, longer even, but please, please, please manage your
expectations. For example, he isn't UN-athletic but he is facing world-class
jumpers, quickness and power. He can play basketball but so can the other
Anyone who says that the Jimmer is not athletic enough is not paying attention.
He has amazing quickness, a nice vertical, he's very strong, and he has
outstanding body control and endurance. Fredette also has a brilliant knack for
getting his shots off by creating his own space from defenders.Jimmer has shown a nice progression each year of college and should get better
in the pro's. I look forward to following his development in the NBA.
I'm curious are there any former utes trying out for ANY NBA team?Oh, guess not.Kemba better not cancel...again!
You do not give away a 3 pick for lesser picks. Jimmer is not likely to go
higher than 9 at CHA. Besides KOC can work with CHA if he has to and really
wants Jimmer. You use the 3 pick to get a franchise player. At the
moment that means Knight, Kanter, Valanciunas or maybe if lucky Irving or
Williams. Knight and Valanciunas are the least risky and easier to
evaluate accurately. Williams is easy to evaluate but does not fit all that
well. He is not a real SF and he is probably no better than Millsap at PF. You could trade the 3 pick for an established player? There is some risk
that a non lotto team will trade up for Jimmer. Knight has the
highest probability of being drafted by the Jazz. He is relatively safe and can
play with Harris for a year or two. The Jazz could also go with Kanter or
Valanciunas if they really like them.Once the 3 pick is decided the
Jazz will decide how bad they want him and what they have to do to get
Jimmer.Jimmer is not a 3 pick even in a weak draft.
The Jazz are tight lipped as usual but it would not surprise me if they took
Valanciunas instead of Kanter at 3. They have game film on
Valanciunas and they have a much better understanding of strengths and
weaknesses. The FO does best with players they have a lot of information on. His personality is a better fit for the Jazz FO also. He will be 7 ft
and should add 20 pounds. He has the potential to develop into the next Gasol.
He can't bang but he can defend. Most people assume he will go to
CLE at 4 but anything can happen in this draft and he is just as legit at 3 as
Kanter and maybe a better player in the long run with less risk.
Jimmer is not going to be selected at number 3. If he really is 6'3", then
maybe, but he is not 6'3". I believe he is closer to 6'. I also
agree with the comments that Jimmer won't be available at 12. If the Jazz want
him, they will try and trade down from 3 with someone like Sacramento. I think the Jazz will draft Knight at 3 and then if teams like Sacramento or
Milwaukee (I think those are the teams who will likely draft Jimmer) end up
drafting Jimmer, they might consider a trade. My hope is the Jazz
trade down with the Wizards so the Wizards can draft Kanter and we get both of
the Wizards 1st round picks. With their number 5 pick, we select Jimmer. With
our #12 pick, we select Singleton, and with Washington's 18th pick, we select
Brooks. This would give us 2 shooters and a defender.
Jimmer is 6'3"?Yes and Paul Millsap is 6'8" too.When are we going to stop pretending that people are bigger than they actually
are?Jimmer was just measured at the combine and his "real"
height is readily available but evidently truth and facts are not necessary.Evidently this story was written by someone who is also bought into the
hype that Jimmer is something beyond what we all watched on TV. Now his is
taller.Jimmer is a score first PG.The NBA expectation
for PG's is to make your teammates into allstars by distributing the ball and
making your offense flow.I hope Jimmer can adapt because that is
basically the opposite of what he did in College. He is a scorer. Period.Nobody wins it all in the NBA when your PG is jacking it up while the
rest of the team stands and watches.I love Jimmer and what he can do
but the bottom line is nobody knows if he can transition into the prototypical
PG to play in the NBA. I think he is more of a scorer but unfortunately for him
he has a PG body not a shooting guard.Time will tell.
Jimmer could end up being a really good backup, but I have a hard time believing
he'll be a starter. Small PGs with average athleticism, who have never
demonstrated in a game that they can play any defense don't start in the NBA. At
best I see him as a Jason Terry type player. At worst he's Adam Morrison,
Morrison also was a volume shooter who could shoot lights out in college, but
like Jimmer he had no desire to play any defense.Jimmer may be worth
the 12th overall, The Jazz do need shooters and a backup PG, but to use the 3rd
overall pick on a guy who will never start, would be just crazy. June 23rd is going to be a sad day for Jimmer trolls, I don't think he's
coming here, I think the Jazz are going to pass him up twice.
Pressure. If I was Jimmer I'd stay out of Utah just because of expectations. He
measures 6'2" in every training camp but the Jazz's. In Utah he's already
6'3". hahaha. Utah already expects him to be taller? Good luck Jimmer. Play
for the Mavericks.
if they trade harris and millsap everything would ride on favors and jimmer.
both are a long shot. it could be 2 or three years before they show anything or
both may be a bust. same with kanter he has bad knees if he stays healthy looks
like the real deal. another long shot. jefferson hasen't shoed me that much to
me he is a long shot. that means 4 of the starting 5 is a long shot even if you
traded harris and millsap for lebron he would have his work cutt out
If Utah doesn't take Jimmer with the 3rd pick they are crazy. He is much better
that Deron Williams was before he was drafted. If the Jazz truly concerned about
the DNA of their team then Jimmer is a no brainer. Like other current Jazz
players Jimmer will have no baggage, no records, no predator posse, no
addictive habits, no ties to undersireables from da hood etc. Besides that he is
the best in the nation having won every award there was. Jimmer will be a
future superstar of an NBA team. Might as well be the Jazz.
Excuse me I still am not done. Jimmer is the most proven player in this year's
draft. He was college's highest scorer this year, the most popular player, the
player of the year, the most charismatic player, not just this year but the most
intriguing player for some time. The knock against him is, lets face it, he is
white and he played ball in the st of Utah. If he played at Duke it would be a
different story. The only reason Willams from AZ is slated at #2 is because he
had some great games in the tourney. AZ and Williams played BYU the past 2
years and people were only talking about one player after the games. I felt
fortunate to see both games. The 49 he put on AZ was the greatest performance I
have seen live of any college player. Irving from Duke only played 11 games.
He averaged 17 points. So Jazz, what more do you want??? Don't blow it please.
Please don't get a guy just because he is vertically superior to Jimmer. Any
armchair quarterback knows what Jimmer can do. His lack of D is overated. Dear
Jazz, don't be Jimmered!
Dear Jazz, take Jimmer at #3. Please, don't let us down! Jimmer will not be
around at 12. Sacramento will take him at 7, if not them, then another NBA team
will trade up past Utah and snatch him. It makes no sense to take Kanter. Ok,
he is tall, but he is still an unknown. We have a guy in the Jazz's backyard,
he has the range like no other player including in the NBA. He increased his
scoring average by about 6 each season, and the feeling was at tournament time
he would average 35. I live in Suns territory and I don't even want him here.
Jimmermania belongs in Utah. His favorite player is even John Stockton. If the
Jazz don't take him at 3 they will regret it for every single year of Jimmmer's
career, for every single time he comes to Utah averaging 20pts a game. It will
be the greatest lost opportunity in the history of the franchise. The Jazz will
be kicking themselves with should haves and could haves, but alas, they did not!
Dear Jazz, do not let us down! Take the safe choice and pick him at 3!!!
I'll play with the Jazz for half price.
Walker will go up against Jimmer because he wants to go at 3 to the Jazz instead
of Knight. The Jazz know Jimmer well. They do not need a work out. They know
him better than any other player in the draft. They already know IF they will
move up to get him. They are waiting to see what happens with CLE
and MN. Then they will know if they get a shot at Irving or Williams. If they
don't they decide between Knight and Kanter. But IF Walker did really well they
might consider him. They might take Vesley IF they think they can fix his
shooting. He fits KOCs definition or bigger and longer. Small guards
like Walker hurt the Fakers. However, the Jazz have to worry about OKC, DAL and
SA.Irving is the Ideal PG for the Jazz but Knight is close. Jimmer
COULD become a great one but the others are more natural PGs.The PHO
comment on "can defend within the 1/2 court" is telling. PHO is NOT a
1/2 court team. SAC and GS are not. The Jazz and CHA are. Jimmer
will help the Jazz.
Local naysayers are having a hard time realizing just how good Jimmer is. The people who have seen him play and paid attention should know. It is an
interesting sort of denial. Either a Ute rival thing or a typical scoffing of
anything local, a kind of an "anti-localism" that is unique to Utah
haters who live in Utah. Jimmer is the real deal. The NBA is waking up to a guy
who they have lackadaisically underestimated.
The ideal. I gave this a lot of thought today. The Jazz need close
to the ideal player at each position given their philosophy, system and approach
to the game.Favors is the ideal PF. Hayward is close to the ideal
SG. Harris is not a good fit. AK is probably gone. AJ is 2 inches short, a slow
defender and inefficient. He improved all year. He should improve some more. Of the potential draft picks Knight is close to the ideal PG. He is a
little light (young) but he will fill out.Kanter should be closer to
the ideal C than AJ but he is the ideal PF/C to go With AJ/Favors. He is big
athletic and can hit the 3. Williams may be available? He is okay at
SF? Vesley is ideal at SF IF he can improve his shooting and perimeter D. Jimmer is ideal at PG/G IF he can run a team as well as DWill. The Jazz have a shot at Kanter/Knight/Williams at 3 and Jimmer at 12. Vesley
is a reach at 3.Go big at 3 and get Jimmer 12. Trade Harris/Millsap
for the SF.
I've seen Jimmer play in New Mexico, Texas, Colorado, Utah, Las Vegas, Denver
and New Orleans this year. I've watched him on TV. The experts always seem to
pick against him, but saying some nice stuff about him personally. But Jimmer
always seems to exceed expectations. I guess I'm a 68 year old
"junkie". Whatever team gets him will reap the benefits of filling
stadiums, yes. But more than that, he will spread the court and create spacing
that will allow his team to score more than the other team. He's the real deal.
His range is already a legend. His ability to find the open shot will become
the talk of the NBA. They said he wasn't athletic or fast enough - no defence.
Now they say he's still a gamble even though his try outs are proving again that
the experts were wrong. No one is a guarantee, but the Jimmer is close. He has
earned whatever he gets. Good luck to him. My dream - somehow he ends up in
No matter the hype the Jazz will never draft Jimmer. The powers that be have
always avoided drafting a local hero because of the unrealistic epectations. A
Jimmer circus is the last thing coach Corbin needs to deal with. Sorry cougs,
aint gonna happen.
I've met Jimmer multiple times and I'd say he is around 6'1''. Maybe with his
shoes on 6'2" but he really doesn't strike me as being that tall even.
Gives off more of a 6 even look.
Jimmer is 6'3'' when he has a 'fro.
I don't know Walker's agent but heard that he has been advised by his agent to
only go for private workouts. No head to head for Jimmer. Good advise by the
agent to keep Jimmer from showing him up.
I wonder why there is little mention of Jimmer's bizarre training regimen, which
includes wearing Shape-Ups any time he is not on the court. He even sleeps in
them and alleges that they have increased his vertical by .84 inches and
decreased his foul line-to-foul line by .31 seconds.Jimmer 2 Jazz
Jimmer is made for these kind of workouts. He is a great shooter and pick-up
game type player. Which is why he will fit better in a team that is really up
and down the court. The more restricted the offense the more Jimmer's talents
will be minimized. I would love to see him with the Jazz but they probably don't
have a system that maximizes his talents nearly as much as Phoenix, NY and
Sacramento.The biggest thing Chicago through these workouts have
done is show people that he is a good athlete. He is not a lock down defender
but he won't be a liability. And that is all teams were looking for. Don't
forget that despite almost being asked to NOT play defense, he still ended up
3rd or 4th all-time in steals at BYU. He can play adequate defense in the NBA.
if Jimmer owns Kemba...he'd be drafted at 3...
Love to see Kemba kick some butt. A true winner who carried his team to the
ncaa championship. The jazz should get Kemba at the 3 and one of the foreign
bigs at the 12. But I don't mind if they trade out of the 12. After the top 5
there just isn't many good players out there in this draft. Make it happen KOC.
Finally Jimmer gets to workout against Walker who, along with Knight, is one of
only TWO PG's rated higher than Fredette...too bad it took this long for it to
happen!I have no clue why Kemba, with all the positive attention
he's had, would risk it by going up against Jimmer--but hey, now we'll finally
know once and for all what would've happened if BYU played UConn.If
Jimmer's workout defense has been as adequate as everyone says, and if he can
hold his own against a quick guy like Kemba, he'll have a good and long NBA
career ahead of him.
The Jazz will get a glimmer of the simmer that's in Jimmer while the Walker will
grow dimmer so I hope they take the Jimmer. Lame but I couldn't resist.
RepresentBlue | 4:22 p.m. June 14, 2011 West Jordan, UT"I
am sure his agent is telling him not to go head to head against Jimmer."
Do you know his agent?
Lets see if Kemba actually shows up this time, or if he bows out like he did for
the Sacramento Kings. I am sure his agent is telling him not to go head to head
How about the jazz send both picks and Okur to Milwaukee for Bogut and the Bucks
#10 to get Jimmer.
Just feels good to type "J I M M E R" again. The Jazz won't get him
if they wait til #12. Watch for them packaging both of their picks for a big
guy (like Greg Monroe on the pistons) and a single-digit pick. Jazz get Jimmer
and another young player with a year or two of experience.
Re Clovis:The Jimmer obsessed Utah media always exaggerates Jimmer's
exploits, I'm surprised they only added 1 inch.This should be a
great work out though, if Kemba or Jimmer shows extremely well the Jazz might
have to consider trading down to get one at 6 or so.In last year's
"super workout" Hayward impressed enough for the Jazz to get him even
though most people had him projected 12-20. I think these types of workouts
matter.I don't think anyone knows what KOC is thinking, he's
probably the most tight lipped GM in the league. If he does have something up
his sleeve we won't find out until it becomes official.
Here's the big question:Walker has been projected to go to #3.If
Fredette outperforms Walker, does #3 sound farfetched?
James Fredette is up to 6'3"? Wow! I guess he's wearing 2.25"
heels.Quit being a Cougar fan and stick to the facts.
Jimmer is 6'3? He's on some pretty hefty juice if that is the case.
I wish these NBA teams would get someone who knows how to evaluate athleticism
and NBA talent. My neighbor (who is an expert because he watches ESPN all the
time) says Jimmer Fredette isn't good enough to be in the NBA. Something about
not having enough tattoos?Anyway, it is so disappointing everyone is
getting their hopes up.
When did Jimmer become 6'3"?
Sweet! Talk about hype! Go Jimmer.
Shooting every time he touches barely got the Cougs to the Sweet 16. It wouldn't
even get the Jazz to the playoffs. But I do like Jimmer.
Jimmer is the best player in the draft. Hope the Jazz take him and let him
shoot it everytime he touches it, just like he did at BYU.
This is one workout that Kemba Walker will skip.
Hope they leak the results, so we can all know how Kemba and Jimmer fared.
We want Jimmer! We want Jimmer! We want Jimmer!.......