Mitt Romney, Ron Paul clash on Afghanistan pullout

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  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    June 14, 2011 9:48 a.m.

    Tom in CA
    At the end of the Clinton presidency we had a surplus. What did Bush do with it?
    Instead of investing it in promoting a vibrant consuming middle class he gave it to a wealth hoarding top 5%. Look to the end of his presidency for the fruits of his policies.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2011 9:46 a.m.

    We need to give up on Afghanistan. They will never be (nor do they want to be)a democracy. They are tribal. Within 5 yrs. Iraq will be back to doing the same things they did 10 yrs. ago.
    We can NO LONGER afford to be the worlds policeman. The europeans and china contribute very little to our campaign to "keep oil flowing" to the rest of the world. Why should they when we will do it for them?
    Pull troops out of Europe also. If they don't want to defend themselves now (60 yrs. after WWII)when will they?
    The Federal Reserve bank is nothing but a "slush fund" being used to prop up the european currencies, it needs to go also.

    I'm a conservative and I would vote WHOLEHEARTEDLY for Ron Paul.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    June 14, 2011 9:02 a.m.

    "How long will the Republicans keep trying to convince the American people that the key to our well being is no taxes for the wealthy and no regulations? How stupid do they think we are?"


    How is your Democrat's tax, spend, and grow government been working for you lately?

    It is a course to no where.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2011 8:39 a.m.

    We remain in Afghanistan because of politics. If President Obama withdraws, Republicans will jump on the airways to criticize him. If a Republican president withdraws, Democrats would line up to criticize.

    We would have to withdraw as a nation, united as one. The question is, which Republican has enough respect from his own party that he could stand up with President Obama and announce our departure without Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh going off on them?

  • l.cee Ridgefield, WA
    June 14, 2011 7:39 a.m.

    I wonder how the generals would prioritize "their wars" if they knew there was a finite pot of money to draw from.

    Would they pull back faster from some places like Afghanistan if they knew the "bank account" is closed to new money?

    Shouldn't the President and Congress just make a decision about how much the country can afford to fight these wars and then just stop at that limit?

    Republicans say we are broke--therefore we shouldn't be fighting any wars and should bring all troops home from across the world and use them for our domestic needs while phasing out the excess troops not needed.

    Oh wait, Republican leaders don't want that--the military industrial complex would be unhappy and not send money their way.

  • Timp South Jordan, UT
    June 14, 2011 7:36 a.m.

    Agree with Paul on this issue -

  • peter Alpine, UT
    June 14, 2011 7:18 a.m.

    These wars are funded by the world banks, and it is their intention to protract the wars as long as possible, because they the bankers stand to profit from them. They serve no other purpose. Pull out, come home, and protect our borders.

  • Thoughtful Voter Spanish Fork, UT
    June 14, 2011 7:17 a.m.

    Stephen Covey has a story where a true leader climbs the tallest tree, reassesses, and then communicates the difficult, but important message "Wrong jungle!"

    There is no mythical, all-knowing, completely un-impassioned Intelligence or Defense agency with a perfect understanding of the world and every consequence of U.S. actions. If there was, we could have prevented 9/11. Instead we have real people doing their best with the intelligence and mandates given them. And there is constant disagreement in those departments.

    Our most capable military leaders will do everything in their power to fulfill those mandates. Congress and the President should reassess those mandates and ask the hard questions. Are we fighting a defensive war? Are we doing more good than harm? Do we have reasonable objectives to work towards?

    We need a President and a Congress willing to ask the hard questions and do better for our brave men and women in uniform willing to give their all to defend our nation. Ron Paul is willing to do this. That is a pretty strong endorsement.

    In a - perhaps not unrelated - other note, Congressman Paul was the only candidate up there with actual military service and experience.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    June 14, 2011 6:56 a.m.

    Ron Paul vs Barack Obama???? Neither one will fix the current problems of this country as it continues in its tail spin!!

  • Sterling Allan Mt. Pleasant, UT
    June 14, 2011 6:37 a.m.

    It's great to see the Deseret News mention Ron Paul in their coverage. He's the man Utah (and the nation) should love, with his respect for the Constitution and stance to get us back under its provisions, from which we have strayed so far. It is the nature and disposition of almost all men that when they get a little authority they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion . . . hence the Constitution, to bind them down and limit their power. The problem is that for decades now, politicians have been openly disregarding the Constitution, such as Obama being elected even though he is not a natural born citizen; and look at all those who look the other way and call people names who point such things out. Ron Paul sincerely stands true to the Constitution and has been its primary advocate in the Halls of Congress. Romney, on the other hand, is an establishment Republican (status quo, disregarding the Constitution), and actually on the liberal end of the spectrum. His Romney Care was the model for Obama Care, which is anti medical freedom.

  • DougS Oakley, UT
    June 14, 2011 6:28 a.m.

    Those who think Ron Paul "clueless", have been either brainwashed by the media, or absent from society.

    Ron Paul has demonstrated his commitments to this country by his votes in the House of Representatives, he has been consistent in his views (no flip-flops)and is certainly better, ethically, to lead this country than others I see on the horizon - including Romney.

    We should be planning the exodus from Iraq and Afganistan ASAP and we should curtail the printing of money by the Federal Reserve before they bankrupt us.

  • T-Jeff Uinta Basin, Utah
    June 14, 2011 6:16 a.m.

    I supported the invasion of Afghanistan when we went in but I thought it should have been done with a Declaration of War from Congress. At this point the war is "mission accomplished" and we are now attempting nation building, spending $billions that we don't have while we wonder what to do about our tremendous, never before seen by any country, debt. I agree with Ron Paul. If the Republicans run another RINO imperialist that loves state run health care I will write in Ron Paul or Gary Johnson. When you are on the road to ruin it won't matter who is driving, only the direction matters. Paul or Johnson will change that direction.

  • Pete1215 Lafayette, IN
    June 14, 2011 5:47 a.m.

    We are not going to win in Afghanistan. We will continue to fire 30,000 dollar missles at 500 dollar snipers, until they run out of soldiers, or we run out of money. Guess who is winning? And their leaders will continue taking our bribe money as long as we keep shoveling it (and think of earth-mover buckets) out.

  • libertarianmind Tooele, UT
    June 14, 2011 3:56 a.m.

    Romney's the one who dosn't have a clue, want more of the same?, just vote for Romney, the Mass. govenor who gave us Romney care the template for Obamacare the largest one time socialist program since social security was forced on us by the liberal socialist FDR. These unconstitutional undeclaired wars fought by proxy for the U.N. are unsustainable, especialy by a country that has been bankrupted by its central bankers know as the federal reserve system, wake up smell the coffee join us in the real world, the United States is bankrupt and will soon have to pay the piper unless we get real leadership not more lip service by the likes of insider Romney or Huntsman, Ron Paul the only real choice.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 14, 2011 12:10 a.m.

    Lets fight a war and get out.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    June 14, 2011 12:05 a.m.

    Ron Paul is just plain clueless.

  • LeonardL Sandy, UT
    June 13, 2011 11:56 p.m.

    Ron Paul has some great ideas, he has his voters who are very loyal, but unless it is him against Obama, he will never appeal to most others.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    June 13, 2011 10:50 p.m.

    This is why we have had so much trouble since Vietnam. Presidents should not be telling generals what to do or how to fight a war. The President and Congress may get us into a war, but then turn the generals lose to win!

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    June 13, 2011 10:41 p.m.

    If Romney gets my vote he will have to clash with Paul on several other views. The Federal Reserve System is a sensible approach to our economy. The major cause of the sustained Great Depression was lack of money. Gold was being hoarded and the gold based dollar needed to be discarded. How long will the Republicans keep trying to convince the American people that the key to our well being is no taxes for the wealthy and no regulations? How stupid do they think we are?

  • CaliforniaCougar Lake Elsinore, CA
    June 13, 2011 9:43 p.m.

    On Fox News, they are reporting that the National Journal Political Insiders Poll suggests that Mitt Romney won the debate.

    Romney is the best debater, the best fund raiser, has the strongest grass roots structure, has a clear message, and clearly is the man to help turn around the economy and unemployment.

    Mitt 2012

  • Deborah Huntington, WV
    June 13, 2011 9:15 p.m.

    I agree, we need to get out asap.

    To date we have spent 1,206,960,000,000 on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Yes that is trillion.

    Keep in mind this money is borrowed from China, still a Communist nation, with the interest acrewing daily.

    It is total insanity!

    The military complex corporations have made enough money. Our country will economally collapse under this debt.

    Enough is enough!

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    June 13, 2011 9:06 p.m.

    At the end of the day the President calls the shots. With that said I don't want my President ignoring at every turn the advice of the men on the ground. If you talked to them they would probably say that they are fighting a restricted war and if we are going to be there then tell the Pakistanis that the US military is coming after anyone who goes back across the border into Pakistan. Allow them to do what they are trained to do. Take the fight to those who bring harm to Americans. That means Mullah Omar.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2011 9:02 p.m.

    The enemy in Afghan is real......Paul hasn't a clue....he would however make a nice Senate Majority Leader....

  • Why So Serious Magna, UT
    June 13, 2011 8:25 p.m.

    Ro Paul is right on that one............