Preserve the Utah Solution

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  • HaveANiceDay Ogden, UT
    June 17, 2011 4:28 p.m.

    Get rid of the Utah Solution and start enforcing the current laws.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    June 16, 2011 10:09 a.m.

    "thoughtful and pragmatic legislation"...... We aren't buying that. Latest poll (yesterday) on the most widely watched and listened to station is 70% for repeal.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    June 16, 2011 8:39 a.m.

    Simple solution. Repeal 116 and replace it with something that does not allow amnesty.

  • WestGranger West Valley City, Utah
    June 15, 2011 9:35 p.m.

    Mexicans can't get refugee visas. It's almost impossible for them to come here legally.We need to control the influx of immigrants. We would be able to control which jobs immigrants are allow to take. Mass deportation is not the answer. It's just a rationalized type of cruelty. We need to secure the borders and enforce the law. No amnesty, no path to citizenship, reasonable penalties for lawbreakers. Let those that we have allowed to raise their families here for decades stay under certain conditions.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    June 14, 2011 9:10 p.m.

    Hunt | 1:50 p.m. June 14, 2011
    Spanish Fork, UT
    @utesovertide | 3:08 a.m.
    "Ultra right-wingers need to get some logic back."

    There's nothing logical about your desire to see law breakers rewarded while at the same time ridiculing law abiding citizens who desire nothing more than laws to be enforced and followed.


    OK, but let's set our priorities in order, shall we?

    I'd like to see Speeding strictly enforced.
    And tailgating,
    and cutting off on the freeways!

    Innocent people are getting killed daily from those laws being broken.

    Immigrants aren't killing anybody.

    Make America safe first.

    Then enforce laws like jay-walking, gum spitting, and burned-out tail-lights.
    Real criminals.

    The underlying message to folks who are anti-immigrant is racism.

  • MTaylor PROVO, UT
    June 14, 2011 4:11 p.m.

    I'm shocked that Utahns would treat their fellow countrymen this way.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    June 14, 2011 1:50 p.m.

    @utesovertide | 3:08 a.m.
    "Ultra right-wingers need to get some logic back."

    There's nothing logical about your desire to see law breakers rewarded while at the same time ridiculing law abiding citizens who desire nothing more than laws to be enforced and followed.
    There's nothing logical about trying to justify law breaking by making ridiculous, outlandish, generalized and anecdotal claims such as "the legal American workers are lazy".
    There's nothing logical about attempts to marginalize and shame those you don't agree with through nondescript inflammatory labels such as "extreme right".

  • Chickenchaser Centralia, WA
    June 13, 2011 7:26 p.m.

    Utah, you can lead the nation. Really!

  • Brer Rabbit Spanish Fork, UT
    June 13, 2011 7:02 p.m.

    The comparison between illegal immigration in Utah and the "Alien and Sedition Act," is ridiculous. My question is how will giving the illegal aliens that were in Utah prior to May 10, 2011 amnesty reduce further illegal immigration into Utah? In my opinion it won't but will increase the flow.

    My wife and I are both republican state delegates and will vote in favor of Utah workers and the repeal of HB116. I believe that more than half of the delegates Saturday will do the same, just as they did in SL County, Utah County and Washington county. I think Utah citizens will win and cheap labor employers will lose.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    June 13, 2011 2:12 p.m.

    Loving thy neighbor goes both ways. Those that break our laws and their supporters need to learn to love their neighbors also.

    Day workers? Is that what we want, America's middle class turned into day workers for business?

    The only lazy people are the business owners that break our laws by hiring illegal labor. Use the visa system, get off the taxpayers subsidized welfare and start earning your money the legal way.

    Giving amnesty and creating a sub class of workers for business is not compassionate. It's just the opposite, it shows hate for your fellow man.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    June 13, 2011 11:21 a.m.

    This will be fun to watch....

    The LDS Church has repeated and posted their support for HB116 not just once but THREE different times -- and by offical Statements no less.

    Let's see where the majority of the Utah State Legislature - who happen to be mostly LDS - represent 1. the people of Utah, 2. the LDS Church or 3. Fox News?

  • fhayekfan American Fork, UT
    June 13, 2011 11:18 a.m.

    To the Editors: Yes, HB116 "removes the need for false documents" by eliminating the requirement for ANY documentation. There is absolutely no requirement in HB 116 to prove "immediate family" status in order to get an "immediate family" permit. Drug runners, and any other foreign national can come settle legally in Utah as long as they know someone with a Utah "guest worker" permit. Please study the actual bill before writing nonsense about Jefferson and Utah's right to pass unconstitutional, dangerous legislation.

  • Mary E Petty Sandy, UT
    June 13, 2011 11:06 a.m.

    Several times over the course of my life when facing difficult political decisions like Immigration, I have had to ask myself, - What does the Church know that I dont? - Like the Israelites of old, I, too, have been asked to do the impossible, the unpopular, the non-politically correct thing; but in applying teach them correct principles and they govern themselves -, I invariably find the answer to these challenging political issues. And so it is with immigration.

    God has given us prophets to light the way, to teach us correct principles; and literally, to divide the Red Sea; and if I am willing, I know the way to safety and I can govern myself in harmony with Gods law found in Matthew 22: 36-40.

    36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

    37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

    38 This is the first and great commandment.

    39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

    40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

  • Danish American Payson, UT
    June 13, 2011 9:51 a.m.

    Any delegate or politician who supports HB116 needs to be defeated at the next caucus meetings.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    June 13, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    Preserve the Utah Solution?

    Let's keep this very simple:

    No Way!

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    June 13, 2011 9:41 a.m.

    Repeal HB116. We need to be able to enforce our laws before we fund a new branch of government to circumvent legal immigration.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2011 9:07 a.m.

    I don't trust Utah officials to ENFORCE a "Utah Solution, (or Utah Compact), or anything else they come up with.

    If they WON'T ENFORCE trespassing laws now, why should I believe they will with a new "piece of paper"?

  • CJ Murray, UT
    June 13, 2011 8:06 a.m.

    R Shackelford,

    You are doing the right thing, you represent your district not the Chamber, the Church, or anyone else. The people of this state are tired of illegals and their supporters.

  • RShackleford Saint George, UT
    June 13, 2011 7:47 a.m.

    Since every one of The People in my precinct that have contacted me and also those I have spoken to want 116 repealed. As a Utah State Delegate I will be happy to vote for the repeal of HB116 next Saturday, Just as I was able to vote for the Repeal last Saturday her in Washington County!

  • ComSen1 Sandy, UT
    June 13, 2011 6:41 a.m.

    I don't have all the facts, so I'm asking: If the farms are having trouble finding labor, and we have all these American citizens on unemployment, and those who make a "living" of welfare, why not subsidize them as farm labor instead of paying them to sit around doing nothing?

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    June 13, 2011 6:28 a.m.

    Repeal HB116 and replace it with Alabama's new law. I think the answer is LEGAL immigration, then no need for devious bills that profit the greedy and with no thought of how to enforce it. The amnesty of 1986 and those (six) following failed and only contributed to our present problem. Viva Legal Immigration.

    June 13, 2011 4:20 a.m.

    Will this stop bringing people here illegally? Of course not, it does nothing to address the problem, it's just a way to allow business to legally hire them.

    Will the Hispanic and other pro-illegal groups stop encouraging people to come here illegally? No it won't, and until they are stopped, nothing we do will solve a thing.

    Kill all four of the bills, pass E-verify with the business license pulled after the second offense. And tell the business interests to use use the visa system already in place for them.

    The bills should of been crafted over a couple of years time with public input, instead of telling us what's good for us.

  • utesovertide Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2011 3:08 a.m.

    "When people refuse to address the lack of compassion towards those here legally that have lost jobs, or had their ID's stolen, you know something is wrong."

    False. When I see "migrant workers" standing on the side of the road ready to work with a shovel in their hands on 2100 South looking for work and during the same day see lazy "americans" reject jobs at a fast food joint or elsewhere because they are too good for it, it makes me think twice about what the ultra right wing says about the american work force. These migrant workers aren't stealing your jobs at all.

    I see them all the time, lining up to start businesses at the local city recorders offices. Whether it is opening a taco stand, to starting some landscaping, to being a dj, etc., they are willing to work, and take risks.

    America is what it is today because of people willing to take risks and start enterprises. If the "americans" won't continue the tradition, the immigrants (whether legal or "alien friends") are going to have to step in.

    Ultra right-wingers need to get some logic back.

  • Considering Stockton, UT
    June 13, 2011 12:57 a.m.

    Isn't it amazing how the same folks (including in the media) who oppose all efforts at local enforcement of existing federal immigration laws with claims about "federal superiority" suddenly decide that local solutions are fine...when those solutions include amnesty.

    There are only a few possibilities when it comes to illegal aliens:

    1-They are having their temporal needs met by a gracious benefactor.

    2-They are working for cash, "under the table", and thus almost certainly engaging in income tax evasion.

    3-They have obtained forged or stolen documents so as to prove eligibility to work at a regular job.

    Looks to me like most illegal aliens are engaging in either tax evasion or ID theft/fraud (or both), in addition to their immigration violation.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    June 13, 2011 12:08 a.m.

    Immigrants are not referred to as illegal, unless they came here illegally. Over one million people come here legally each year to escape poverty.

    Sadly, this country has poverty also, that we have not addressed.

    When people refuse to address the lack of compassion towards those here legally that have lost jobs, or had their ID's stolen, you know something is wrong. And how about those in other countries wanting to come here legally? HB 116 would hurt them also.

    Something is wrong in this country.

  • Neanderthal SLC, Utah
    June 12, 2011 10:56 p.m.

    @FDRfan: 7:53 a.m. June 12, 2011 Sugar City, ID: "Does Utah (i.e.Utah GOP) have a position on healthcare other than to repeal or negate Obamacare? If so, what is it?"

    Yes, repeal Obama. He and his programs have to go.

    Ex Sugar Beet Digger

  • Miss Piggie SLC, Utah
    June 12, 2011 10:48 p.m.

    There is only one answer... no amnesty for illegal aliens. That means no citizenship and no non-citizen residence. Amnesty will simply encourage millions more to enter without permission for the same benefits including free education and welfare.

    And securing the border won't work. Fully 40 percent of all illegals in this country come here on visas but overstay, making them lawbreakers.

    The only logical answer is to reduce/eliminate the opportunity to obtain employment for illegals. This means enforcing federal hiring of illegals laws. The most effective way to do this is to require use of federally mandated E-verify for all employment. The result will simply be that illegals will leave on their own.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2011 10:17 p.m.

    Interesting we have an announcement by the LDS on Friday suggesting that immigration requires a Federal solution, and then this DNews editorial suggesting the Utah Solution be maintained. Not often that you see a DNews editorial in opposition to the LDS position. Because the Utah Solution is definitely not a Federal response of resolution of the matter. After all, it requires a request for a Federal waiver.

  • WestGranger West Valley City, Utah
    June 12, 2011 9:55 p.m.

    Maybe once immigrants are no longer referred to "illegals" to define their existence, they and the children they brought will feel less animosity towards
    our society. Human beings, who in order to escape extreme poverty (and violence/death), come here through a ridiculously porous U.S.-Mexican border, how on earth can we blame them? Secure the border. But until then direct your hatred, disgust or indignation toward the Narcs, U.S. businesses and the governments of the USA and Mexico who together created the problem. Meanwhile enjoy the lower prices due to cheap labor and exploitation.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    June 12, 2011 9:06 p.m.

    I like how they flip flopped from the Utah Compact-Federal responsibility, to it's our right to start our own immigration system. From we can't afford to enforce immigration laws, to we are creating a new arm of state government to run a visa program.

    What would Thomas Jefferson say about the Supreme court ruling allowing states to pull business licenses for hiring people here illegally? He would say this argument is dead, and so is HB 116.

    The people in this state know it's about the money. Give it up.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    June 12, 2011 8:16 p.m.

    This is not about compassion, if it was, we would be accommodating everyone, including those hurt by illegal immigration, those out of work, and those that would be hurt by this new law by losing their jobs or becoming an underclass laborer.

    This is about pure unadulterated greed and providing Utah's business interests with cheap labor from illegal citizens.

    It's disgusting.

  • watchman Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2011 8:02 p.m.

    Why continue to support a lame horse in this race? Why continue to dig the hole deeper? Two of the chief original supporters of HB 116, The Sutherland Institute and Senator Bramble, have announced they are looking for other solutions. Sutherland is saying they like Senator Robles original bill on Guest Workers and Senator Bramble is proposing some major changes to HB 116.

    I certainly seems to be like I saw quoted last week. HB 116 is the 'Utah Confusion', not the 'Utah Solution'.

    Republican delegates will be wise to vote to repeal HB 116 at their convention next Saturday.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 12, 2011 7:21 p.m.

    Personal freedom is having the ability, time and resources to do the things that the individual want to do.

    The main things that take away personal freedoms are a persons health, time spent earning the daily bread and lack of money.

    While all of these reasons effect our freedom, a persons health is the most important and is the least controllable by the individual. We inherit, breathe, touch, eat and drink the sources of poor health.

    The lack of personal time is mainly caused by the need to earn a living. In many cases so much so that there is very little time for freedom. I think the states who are most friendly to business are likely to be the least friendly to personal freedom.

    Resources, mostly from earnings, are important but may not be as important as the other two things mentioned. Someone said: "you are as rich as the things you are willing to do without".

    Nevertheless, these are the ingredients of freedom, if you lose one, you lose them all.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 12, 2011 7:15 p.m.

    There's a war going on between the local commercial interests and the distant federal government. It's the same war that created this nation, where the local businessmen were making a power grab from a distant government. The difference is that today's local commercial politicians don't feel the need of support for the people and have including working people as the enemy along with their government.

    The founding fathers had a need for the support of the people and went about bribing the people with promises and concessions. Today's state commercial politicians don't feel the need for support from the people and are actively taking away their freedoms. Like uncontrolled immigration, phony budget crisis, phony tax grief, promoting unemployment, demeaning worker efforts to share their strength and in general doing everything they can to impoverish working people.

    The Tea Party conservative commercial republicans say they are the "people". It is my hope that the real people, the dirty, sweaty, smelly ordinary people, will put the TCCRs in their proper place come 2012.

    June 12, 2011 7:09 p.m.

    With 9% unemployment no government should be attempting to create a sub class of worker in this country. We already have visas and green cards for legal entry.

    Instead of living as a sub class of people, we need to require that they go home and come back legally, so that they can gain full citizenship. That is compassion, a sub class is not.

    I was always taught that revelation came from the Presidency, and opinions came from the rest? Was this wrong?

  • CJ Murray, UT
    June 12, 2011 6:47 p.m.


    As a fellow delegate (county) let me tell you that we all need to stick together and follow the will of the people and not the will of the church, the Chamber of Commerce, our sell out Governor, the DN,or anyone else. The people of this state are overwhelmingly against HB116 and any other amnesty.Illegal aliens are criminals, plain and simple and we don't need to make deals with them of any kind. We have thousands of Utahns out of work and underemployed, this is not the time to expend efforts of any kind trying to negotiate with those who are at the root of the cause, what an insult! HB116 is nothing but "amnesty lite" and will eventually lead to full blown amnesty, you can count on it. If you, as a Republican, want to see Democrats control the country for the rest of your life then legalize 12 million Mexicans and you will see it.
    Don't let self interested "Chamber of Commerce" Republicans convince you otherwise.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    June 12, 2011 6:10 p.m.

    "This year, Utah legislators accomplished what has eluded Congress by passing thoughtful and pragmatic legislation to addresses the challenges posed locally by illegal immigration."

    No, our Federal government refuses to give amnesty against the wish of the majority. They realize that it did not work in 1986, and it won't work now.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    June 12, 2011 5:35 p.m.

    Let's let those who have complied with all requirements set forth by the Federal Government for immigration into America decide whether those who refused to follow the process be allowed to stay or whether they should be deported.

    Twelve million, or more, people entered our country illegally while tens of thousands applied to enter legally.

    We're telling those who applied to enter legally that we will give preference to those who broke our laws over those who respect America.

    We're telling those who have the same hopes and dreams of freedom and opportunity that because they are honest, we don't want them here, but if they come in as crooks and thieves, that they are welcome.

    The problem is only a problem of enforcement. We have the means but we don't have the will. EVERYONE who entered illegally needs to be deported. Only those who apply and are accepted have the right to be in this country.

    If that simple concept is too hard to grasp, then how can we expect people to understand a 2,000 page bunch of gobbly-gook foisted on us as "heath-care"?

  • countryscotty Orem, ut
    June 12, 2011 5:08 p.m.

    HB116 needs to be repealed. Lawbreakers should not be rewarded. This law discriminates against those that obey our immigration laws. I hope our elected state delegates will speak for Utah citizens and not foreign nationals. Let's have some real compassion and pass a law that rewards those that follow our immigration laws....not those that break those laws. Please repeal and replace.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    June 12, 2011 5:01 p.m.

    I have grown to love and appreciate many of the great, family oriented Canadians, Mexicans, Salvadorans and Guatemalans that are currently here without visas, but yet have graced my life with their humble friendships and strong work ethics. Divine Providence has caused many to migrate here under His direction and I, for one, want them to stay. We have a proposed solution that has merit. Let's be positive and give it a chance.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    June 12, 2011 4:49 p.m.

    Let's try it. We might like it.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    June 12, 2011 4:20 p.m.

    They came here illegally, they continue to stay illegally. Now Utah is being praised for breaking the law or ignoring it.

    The Utah legislature passed this law without thinking as they did with the law that allows Utah officials to keep secrets from press and citizens.

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    June 12, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    I would love to see the Sutherland Institute, the Salt Lake City Chamber of Commerce, or even the LDS church give their impression on what should be done to help unemployed Utahns or to help those people who are the victims of identity theft. Those, at least, would be some issues I would be interested in seeing solved. Once those are out of the way, then we can worry about foreigners.

  • utesovertide Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2011 1:56 p.m.

    "Over 80 per cent of the people do not want HB116."

    I've never seen that poll. All the polls I've seen show most of Utah is in favor of HB116, including me.

    To those saying that President Monson needs to come out with his own statement, you are forgetting that you shouldn't have to be commanded in all things by the leader of the Church.

    Why do I like Utah getting involved in creating laws like this? Because the Federal Government has been failing on this front for decades. Mitt Romney is right: It is much easier to pass a law for one state, and pass necessary changes from time to time, or take the law off the books, than to do the same at the Federal level.

    Why are some Utahn's so afraid of giving this a try? If it doesn't work, we can get rid of it. Instead, you all want the Federal Gummint to make a law, and who says you'll like that one? We've seen how hard it can be to get the Feds to pass or repeal laws.

  • M.Sanchez Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 12, 2011 12:44 p.m.

    Will the citizen of Utah be listened to?
    During the committee hearings on SB 60, (the bill that HB 116 is based on before the bill number change) diametrically opposed groups on the illegal alien issue came together in agreement that this bill HB116 is bad for their various reasons.

    The Citizens Coalition on Illegal Immigration, 9/12 groups, Eagle Forum, The Utah Minuteman Project, UFIRE, ACLU, Projecto Latino, United Front for Social Justice, Immigration lawyers, Bishop Webster and many legal immigrants are following different processes to end HB 116.
    They are all writing editorials, letters to the editor, speaking on radio shows,talking with neighbors and personally talking with state Senators and Representatives.
    Some Utah citizens have organized an effort within the Republican party's process for a resolution to repeal HB116.

    The citizens of Utah are saying the concept of HB 116 and SB 60 is wrong. Please listen to us the citizens of Utah.

  • Mark Butler SYRACUSE, UT
    June 12, 2011 11:19 a.m.

    The question of the proper application of the federal law on this matter is for the Attorney General of the United States and the federal courts to decide. The problem with HB116 is that it goes into effect on July 1, 2013 regardless. See Utah Code 63G-12-202(3)(b).

    In other words, HB116 commands the governor to take illegal action. That is a problem. Without proper federal authorization, the worker permits granted would be null and void. An employer who honored them would be in violation of federal law, and subject to fines and imprisonment. The whole bill is at best a symbolic gesture, but more likely a legal disaster waiting to happen.

  • Mark Butler SYRACUSE, UT
    June 12, 2011 11:14 a.m.

    "see 8 U.S.C. 1324a subsection (h)(3)(B)), thereby providing the statutory authorization for the HB116 waiver."

    8 USC 1324a (h)(3)(B) does imply that there are circumstances other than the ones described in that section where the Attorney General may authorize employment. However, those circumstances appear to be circumscribed by 8 USC 1254a.

    8 USC 1254a delineates rules to qualify for temporary protected status, and requires the Attorney General to follow them. Temporary protected status to foreign nationals from specified areas can be granted due to armed conflicts and natural disasters. The Attorney General is not authorized to grant temporary protected status for any other reason.

  • tom_e Kaysville, UT
    June 12, 2011 11:13 a.m.

    My concern is that we did not vote for the Sutherland Institute, the Salt Lake Chamber or even the Church. We voted for our legislators. Over 80 per cent of the people do not want HB116. Hopefully it will be repealed. I think the problem started when the group met behind closed doors and came up with what they thought should be forced upon us.

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    June 12, 2011 11:12 a.m.

    Who said that we need quest workers? NO way in heck do we need to import or allow more cheap labor. Only the fat cats want to pad their wallets and have everyone else support these people with free health care etc. etc. HB 116 is wrong. I am a state delegate and will do everything i can to help defeat this.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 12, 2011 10:56 a.m.

    HB116 should and will be repealed!! All the fine print of HB116 still boils down to granting full access to jobs, health care, education etc.. by illegal aliens and rewards law breakers while punishing the citizens of the state of Utah with higher taxes, over-crowded schools, free emergency room health care, along with the violent crime and drugs that follow illegals. Isn't it enough to see what has happened to California (bankruptsy) by their years of allowing illegals to flood into their state and soak up all the goodies of citizenship without having to pay for them? The defintion of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. The result for Utah will be the same as we have seen for California unless HB116 is repealed and a bill which truly enforces the law of the land and protects the lawful citizens of Utah takes its place.

  • J. Adams Sandy, UT
    June 12, 2011 10:28 a.m.

    Your editirial is unacceptable. It promotes the will of a minority against the will of the majority. The legislators better vote to rescind this miscarriage of justice or the people will rescind them.
    Is it too much to ask that we live in an orderly society that values the rule of law? Our laws are not broken, they are ignored and that has to stop.

  • MormonDem Provo, UT
    June 12, 2011 10:24 a.m.

    I'm amazed that people like anti-liar | 5:22 a.m. and otherssomehow still try to convince themselves that the Church's support of the Utah Compact is still ambiguous--that it's the Church P.R. office, not the Brethren, that have issued statement after statement about immigration, including support of the Utah Compact and HB116. It's right there, over and over again, on the Church's Newsroom page--which is, to quote the Church's web site, "an official voice of the Church."

    Some GOPers opposed to HB116 and the Utah Compact still just refuse to admit that they and the Brethren are on opposite sides of this issue.

    If somehow we could harness that cognitive dissonance as a source of alternative energy! Our energy independence problems would be solved!

  • sjgf South Jordan, UT
    June 12, 2011 10:17 a.m.

    I have lived in a foreign land, as a dependent in the US military. I had friends who were children of US civilians, working in the foreign country with proper visas.

    We never had a thought of circumventing the laws of those countries and living "in the shadows." We came according to their laws and we left appropriately when it was time to go. Had any of my friends' families been evicted back to the US, I don't see that it would have caused them any hardship. They spoke English and would have fit in fine back in their native country, the USA.

    I fail to see why there is this outcry of people saying what a hardship it would be to follow the laws, and if laws are broken, to simply go back to their homelands. I have been on the other side of this issue, and I think people are making mountains out of molehills.

  • Tulip West Jordan, UT
    June 12, 2011 9:40 a.m.

    A couple of questions for the editorial board and the Utah Legislature: What consequences will follow if our "alien friends" do not comply with the stipulations of HB116? If we haven't had the "backbone" in the past to enforce laws on the books how do we really create a solution based in reality. As a Republican delegate, I see HB116 as a good faith and honest effort to indeed bring undocumented workers out of the shadows. I genuinely like the idea. My problem is how will this change the mindset of those we are trying to help? Will all undocumented workers run out and get the required permits? If not, what will be the consequences? Are the Latino leaders behind this?

    And, as a guest worker permit holder but not a legal citizen, will they have voting rights?

  • evensteven Sandy, UT
    June 12, 2011 9:37 a.m.

    The statement: "the popularity of legislations' aims, the support enjoyed from a variety of institutions (including the Chamber of Commerce, the Sutherland Institute and our owner, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints)" is a bit redundant since the Church, via its business arms, runs the Chamber.

    How can the DNews argue that immigration is a federal issue then print an editorial pleading for Utah's state-based "solution" to be given a chance?

    Does anyone else find it curous that the editorial does not challenge Fr. Wester for his opposition to HB116? Or is it just the Republican delegates, a large number of whom are LDS, that the Church is trying to influence?

    Even their latest statement is mush. Consider that the Church itself will not employ illegal immigrants (policy 21.1.16, an interesting conundrum in itself) nor does it support the sponsorship of immigrants by members (same policy). They acknowledge that the "flow of undocumented immigrants, unchecked and unregulated, may destabilize society and ultimately become unsustainable" yet vigorously oppose any effort to stem that flow to Utah by citizens who recognize that destabilzation and unsustainability are already present and are rightly alarmed by it.

  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    June 12, 2011 9:16 a.m.

    The Utah Solution does nothing to improve Utah's unemployment of citizens. It does nothing to get our young people the jobs that they need. The Utah Solution is still for the businessman and not for those who pay into the tax system. Illegal Immigration hurts all States. It hurts the citizens. The Utah Solution is wrong. No matter how hard they try to re-word it and re-work it, it will not be a workable solution. What is wrong is wrong. Wrong never makes things right.

  • Chickenchaser Centralia, WA
    June 12, 2011 9:11 a.m.

    It is time to review the issue of state's rights. Dictatorship is dead but . . ..

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    June 12, 2011 8:45 a.m.

    Reagan was duped into an amnesty with the promise of no more. What happened is more invasion by those who would wait in the shadows for a woosey American Congress and public to give them another one. Tough enforcement is the only answer and the Utah Solution is not the answer.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    June 12, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    Once you toss out the rule of law, can the Constitution itself be far behind?

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 12, 2011 8:15 a.m.

    The statement: "the popularity of legislations' aims, the support enjoyed from a variety of institutions (including the Chamber of Commerce, the Sutherland Institute and our owner, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints)" says it all.

    The Utah state government is owned and operated by commercial interests that place business profits well above the concern for people.

    It is sad that we may be ruled by government that believes business is more important than people.

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    June 12, 2011 7:53 a.m.

    That's great for immigration. Does Utah (i.e.Utah GOP) have a position on healthcare other than to repeal or negate Obamacare? If so, what is it?

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2011 5:22 a.m.


    "We'll see if Utah Republicans choose to follow the views of their religious leaders..."

    Scott Trotter and the Church's Public Affairs Office are not religious leaders. The Public Affairs Office spoke for no religious leader by name. As far as I have been able to detect, President Monson has not spoken to the church membership in regard to HB116 in his own voice or likeness, nor has anything in this specific regard been published with his own name or signature attached to it.

    As I understand the doctrine, no member of the Church is obligated, spiritually or otherwise, to regard a ghost-written, incognito press release from the Public Affairs Office as the Mind and Will of the Lord.

    Instead, God gives each person a conscience and a mind and the agency and charge to use these to think for ourselves and make correct decisions. Blindly and unquestioningly heeding the words of the ghost-writers of the Public Affairs office has no actual foundation in the gospel as I understand it.

  • LiberalEastCoastMember Parkesburg, PA
    June 12, 2011 4:48 a.m.

    "it is unfortunate that a highly vocal effort to undo the Utah Solution has emerged within the Republican party."

    We'll see if Utah Republicans choose to follow the views of their religious leaders on the thorny issue of immigration or their political leaders.

    My gut is they'll chose their political leaders.

    Hope I'm wrong.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2011 4:07 a.m.

    "the Utah Solution would weed out dangerous criminals"

    At least two problems:

    One, there is scant reason to believe that dangerous criminals would have any incentive whatsoever to submit to such a check. They could submit to such a check now. Of course they do no such thing.

    Two, what would Utah do with those who do not pass the background check? If we are to believe what Curtis Bramble tells us, there is nothing that we can do with them. The truth is that if the law can be applied to them, it also could be applied to all illegals in the state.

    "It eliminates the demand for false documents."

    And handing someone a hundred thousand dollars would eliminate the "need" for that person to rob a bank. This does not ameliorate the real problem. We don't want foreign nationals who would forge documents to be in this country.

    "...would allow undocumented immigrants residing in Utah prior to May 11 to work in Utah..."

    It ALSO would allow illegals who have EVER lived or worked in Utah prior to May 10, 2011, to RETURN to Utah (line 778 of HB116).

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2011 3:41 a.m.

    All this Constitutional gobbledygook really points to one thing: granting residency, employment, and other preferential treatment to a legion of foreign nationals who by their own behavior have amply demonstrated deep disrespect and disdain for the United States, its laws, and its sovereignty.

    Such a plan would knowingly take jobs badly needed by Utah's numerous unemployed and hand them to these foreign nationals who do mock our nation.

    It would knowingly exacerbate our schools' already severe overcrowding, language, and quality-control problems.

    It would thumb its nose at the will of the people -- who have suffered enormously by the presence of illegal aliens and who have made it abundantly and repeatedly clear that they want the law to be enforced.

    Some say HB116 is not Amnesty because it offers no path to citizenship. Actually, it is worse: it foolishly extends the red carpet to "friends" who don't even PRETEND to pledge allegiance to this country or aspire to U.S. citizenship and its lofty standards. Allowing such persons a place among us -- especially in such astronomically high numbers -- would pose a genuine threat to the integrity, unity, and well-being of Utah and the country itself.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    June 12, 2011 2:53 a.m.

    "HB116 provides challenging but achievable preconditions that allow undocumented immigrants who have resided in the state to work and contribute using their own identity. It eliminates the demand for false documents."

    Interesting considering the fact that using false documents and fake or stolen identities is a felony. No one should kid themselves into thinking that these stolen identities have not also been used to obtain government benefits, personal loans, mortgages, etc. creating a situation where there are real victims who are being brushed aside and forgotten by this bill. HB116's provision to compensate the victims makes it next to impossible for the victim to obtain compensation as they will have to prove that it was an illegal who stole their identity. How easy do you think that is going to be?
    Which part is the sham, the criminal background check or the continued claim that undocumented workers are not criminals? I should say illegal workers as the Dnews just admitted that they are actually documented and, after all, their employment by less then ethical employers is in fact illegal.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    June 12, 2011 2:36 a.m.

    "HB116 is the portion of the Utah Solution that would allow undocumented immigrants residing in Utah prior to May 11 to work in Utah after meeting numerous preconditions, including a criminal background check."

    How do you perform a background check on someone who is undocumented and can therefore supply you with whatever fake identity they choose? How do you verify that the documents used to prove residency prior to May 11 have not been falsified, especially when a simple electrical bill is all that is needed? If there is one fact, it is that illegal immigrants (a more descriptive term as illegals using fake documents are definitely not undocumented) are very adept at falsifying documents.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2011 1:43 a.m.

    There are 4 bills that the Governor signed together as the "Utah Solution". One that provides enforcement HB 479, one that provides for migrant workers HB 466, one that provides sponsoring HB 469, and one that provides a guest worker permit HB 116.

    Both HB 469 and HB 116 have a similar constitutional warning.

    Several conservatives voted for and several voted against HB 116, but almost all, voted for HB 469.

  • Bryan Syracuse, UT
    June 12, 2011 1:21 a.m.

    HB 116 must go. It rewards aliens who chose to flout American sovereignty and entered or remained unlawfully in the United States. The only thing "broken" about our immigration system is its lack of enforcement. Allowing millions of illegals to stay in the United States is unjust to all those foreign nationals who have or are trying to enter the country in a legal, honest way. We should not welcome law breakers to our country. Rather, whenever an illegal alien is discovered by local law enforcement, that person should be handed over to the Federal government for deportation. That person's spot should be taken by someone who chose to obey our laws and immigrate here the right way.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2011 1:04 a.m.

    There are 4 bills. One that provides enforcement HB 479, one that provides for migrant workers HB 466, one that provides sponsoring HB 469, and one that provides a guest worker permit HB 116.

    Leave out HB 469?

    The sponsoring principle of HB 469 provides a limiting factor of how fast immigrants can come, makes sure they do not place a larger burden than we can handle, and is more like co-signing a friends car loan. It is the truly unique piece of the puzzle.

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    June 12, 2011 12:57 a.m.

    A thoughtful and well written editorial that will drive the so-called Constitutional scholar/posters on here nuts. Eventually this could get to the US Supreme Court. I say they back it but what do I know, according to L White and Mike R. Let the posting begin.