@sammyg"...making out like a bandit..."***********And thus we see the birth of yet another Cougar myth.
Big Whoop howie. Sound familiar?BYU has always been able to
accomplish more with its 'little' resources than the Utes.Oh, my
bad, I forgot we have our 'own' bank, it's called charitable contributions. I'm
sure the ESPN and other deals just add to the pot.I'm glad the money
bothers you because you will never know the details, yet in your heart you know
that BYU is making out like a bandit as well. Maddening isn't it?
Okay my Cougar friends... back from MLM meetings. You would
seriously not believe how easy it is get Utah County college students to fork
over their tuition money for registration and product advance fees...Sellin' the dream... Sellin' the dream...butwhatever...Here's the deal that you don't understand...I didn't qualify the
superlatives over the WCC/ESPN deal with terms like..."by a
non-football conference..." or "by ANY non-BCS league"And I didn't say on the radio that each school would probably get "a few
hundred thousand a year" from the WCC/ESPN deal.Jon Wilner
did...So if you have problems with it take it up with him... Google
is your friend.And here is some additional reality...BYU
has chosen to affiliate with a "non-BCS", "non-football"
conference, so any superlative that BYU achieves within that conference will
always be qualified by those terms. It's what you chose.As for Utah BB, if they lose in the PAC 12 so be it... They'll have 30
million reasons to be comforted.But if they win, their superlatives
will NOT be qualified by "non-BCS" or "non-football
Howard,Your "superlatives" are nothing but spin.Utah's football team was completely ignored by ESPN. What makes you think that
Utah's stinker of a basketball program will fare any better?So why
are spending sooooo much time trying to convince everybody that Utah NOT playing
on ESPN is superior to BYU playing on ESPN?Are you really expecting
recruits to be impressed with Utah's bank account?
Howie"like an athletic program must feel humbled when it's
superlatives must be qualified with terms like..."I was going
to play the game, but I couldn't find any superlatives to apply to that train
wreck on the hill.I did find this:BYU 72 Utah 59BYU 104 Utah 79BYU 71 Utah 51BYU 82 Utah 69BYU 63 Utah 50Utah 94 BYU 88 (OT)BYU 67 Utah 59BYU 55 Utah 52BYU 85 Utah
62BYU 76 Utah 66The results of the last 10 BYU-Utah games.Maybe U could find some superlatives there, but I certainly couldn't.U should be grateful that Utah basketball will be virtually non-existent
on ESPN. It'll save U the embarrassment of being humiliated on national
Well, I guess there is some experience with Multi-level marketing at BYU (as
well as the U): The missionary reports to the District Leader who
reports to the Zone Leader who reports to the Mission President who reports to
the Area Presidency who reports.... That must be what he means, right?
Howard S."Here is the deal with exposure Mr. Mountainman, my
friend...The relevant issue is winning, not pre-season scheduled
ESPN games."A fan of a team that's had LOSING seasons 4 of the
last 6 years lecturing BYU fans about winning being the relevant issue???You're too funny for words, my friend...Dave Rose eraBYU 159-44(77.9%) MWC 78-18(81.3%), 4 MWC championships, 5 NCAAsUtah
95-94(50.3%) MWC 44-52(45.8%), 1 MWC championship, 1 NCAA--------BYU----Utah2005-06 20-9 - 14-152006-07 25-9 - 11-192007-08 27-8 - 18-152008-09 25-8 - 25-102009-10 30-6 - 14-172010-11 32-5 - 13-18Head-to-HeadBYU 10 (including 9 of the
last 10)Utah 3Get back to us when Utah basketball develops a
pulse and stops losing to teams like SW Baptist and San Diego (you know, the
cellar dweller of the WCC). Until then, you can dispense with the false bravado
about Utah being a winning team in the PAC 12. Utah basketball died when Majerus
@ Howard S"ESPN won't put a losing (that's loosing for my
Cougar friends) BYU team on TV for long. In either case, winning
gets you exposure... and losing (loosing) doesn't."So that's
why we haven't seen Utah's basketball team on tv for the last 5 years! That
explains it!BYU = 5 straight NCAA tournament berths over last 5
yearsUtah = 5 total wins last season. Has been to one tournament game (and
lost that game btw) in the last 5 years.BYU Basketball > Utah
HowardYou do remember that this is an article about basketball
right? Are you really trying to say that Utah is going to be winning a lot of
basketball games in the PAC 12 and "there will be plenty of exposure"
for your Utes? C'mon, you don't even believe that and you know it. Meanwhile, I have no worries about BYU continuing to win 20-30 games per year
and continuing to get annual NCAA tournament invites. Furthermore, I guess you
didn't read the article or even the headline "WCC, ESPN sign 8-year
extension". Like it or not, BYU WILL be on national TV much more
frequently than Utah and just like in football, the contract is for 8 years.
You're defending in indefensible position but hey, at least nobody can say you
give up easily. After all, you're up to 10 comments out of 122 on this BYU
article.You're obsession is getting the best of you.By the
way, what are the references to MLM's, "loosing" and french fries on
dates all about? I guess you must find it amusing. Everyone else just finds it
@Mountainman56Okay, back from MLM. I'll tell ya, MLM in Utah County
is like taking candy from a baby.Aaaanyhooo...."...it just won't get you on national TV nearly as often as BYU and that
is fact..."**********************Here is the deal with
exposure Mr. Mountainman, my friend...The relevant issue is winning,
not pre-season scheduled ESPN games.A winning PAC 12 team will
certainly not lack for exposure. If Utah wins in the PAC 12, there will be
plenty of exposure. ESPN won't put a losing (that's loosing for
my Cougar friends) BYU team on TV for long. If BYU loses (looses) those
pre-scheduled ESPN games will disappear quicker than a sack of french fries on a
BYU first date. In either case, winning gets you exposure... and
losing (loosing) doesn't.
I agree that while sometimes Todd C takes his analytical game comments right to
the edge, I also find it somewhat refreshing to hear a different slant than the
usual stuff that is so typically repetitive and totally expected on most sports
broadcasts. Plus I enjoy hearing a little more of an intellectual approach than
what we continually hear on all the other stations. So I, for one, appreciate
viewing his efforts, especially since he can also often laugh about both himself
and the game he's analyzing at the same time.According to what I've
seen on these boards in the past however, I unfortunately may appear be in the
Broom Hockey ChampI think Sammy Linebaugh is great and I like some
of the other people on MTN as well, including Blaine Fowler. I'm afraid I have
to disagree about Todd C. however. I've know Todd for many years so I kind of
hate to say that I don't like him as a broadcaster but I really do think he
spends way too much time pontificating and trying to throw in big words to
impress the audience. His son even said on the radio one time that they make
fun of him at home for doing that. Blaine Fowler was a member of the 1984
championship team and has been a high quality sports broadcaster for many years
and I think he'd do a great job on BYUtv. The only other former BYU football
players that I'm aware of that do broadcasting are Steve Young and Trevor Matich
and I don't think we're going to get either of them. Gifford Nielsen retired as
a sports anchor in Houston after many years, maybe they'll pick him up or maybe
they can lure Vai Sikahema out of Philly.
HowieYour persistence is impressive. You must be a glutton for
punishment. Let's just wait and see how happy Ute fans are this year when you
can't see your team play. (Although based on the fact that nobody attended Ute
B-Ball games last season, I guess nobody will care about watching them on TV).
Nevertheless, as much as you want to try to downplay it, lots of games on ESPN
is something that every program in the country would love to have. I'm not
saying that Utah's TV deal in the PAC 12 is bad, it just won't get you on
national TV nearly as often as BYU and that is fact, no matter how much you say
it's worthless or try to downplay it. Get over the bitterness, life will be a
lot less stressful.
@In Stitches"It looks like Howie is still being
schooled."**************I feel so schooled... and humbled
too...Much like an athletic program must feel humbled when it's
superlatives must be qualified with terms like..."by a
non-football conference..." or "by ANY non-BCS league"Something like being the best... of the rest.Or being the top
collegiate athletic program... in Utah County.You get the idea...
It's not bad, but it falls short of being among the best of the best. Oh well... off to my MLM meetings.
I love how Howard conveniently forgot about this being just for BASKETBALL while
comparing it to his Pac deal which also includes football. I also love how he
extrapolates figures from the article and ignores all of the stuff that
blatantly refutes what he is attempting to convince every one of. You're representing well, Howard. Keep up the good work.
I take my last comment back ... It looks like Howie is still being schooled. Great job to TrueBlue, Truth Machine, deductive reasoning and skywalker
for providing us with the rest of the story. It sounds like a
terrific deal for basketball.
Just what the doctor ordered, as Wilner writes:"I dont know
enough details to quantify BYUs impact on the negotiations with ESPN, but we
should assume it was significant. The Cougars have a national
following, and their Jimmer-led success in 2010-11 couldnt have been better
timed for the WCC, which has been negotiating the deal with ESPN for months (and
months).At the same time, this deal should satisfy BYU fans
frustrated with the Mountain Wests TV exposure. Given that Gonzaga
usually makes 9-10 appearances per year on ESPN/2/U through the WCCs deal alone
some of the Zags televised non-conference games arent part of the WCC contract
I expect the Cougars to appear on the WorldWide Leader at least a dozen times
next season."At least a dozen nationally televised games on
ESPN versus that one game on CBS this past season. And the games ESPN doesn't
pick up will be broadcast on BYUtv. Great news for every BYU fan.
Gee, I wonder why Howard didn't bother mentioning any of Wilner's other comments
about the WCC ESPN contract? About the contract being the best deal ESPN has
ever signed with a non-BCS league.Howard's "informed, objective
columnist" specifically said that the rights fee was not disclosed, yet
Howard somehow derived his own dollar figure from Wilner's comments and is now
spouting it as fact, and berating anybody who questions his interpretation.
re: Howard S."the MOST EXTENSIVE ESPN basketball deal EVER
signed by a non-football conference... [in fact] the BEST DEAL signed by ANY
non-BCS league"Sounds like a deal that any non-football
conference would be ecstatic about signing with the world wide leader!Time to just let it go Howard. Your money nit-picking is nothing but a feable
attempt to mask your extreme ESPN jealousy.
Howard S.Trust a greedy BcS-ite to concentrate solely on the money,
while completely ignoring the most important details of the new WCC-ESPN
contract:"As I [Jon Wilner] note in the story, its the MOST
EXTENSIVE ESPN basketball deal EVER signed by a non-football conference. But
based on my quick research, its the BEST DEAL signed by ANY non-BCS league, as
well.The record number of appearances (close to 50 per year) will
help with recruiting, reputation and postseason access..."EXACTLY what BYU was looking for when the Cougars left the MWC and the MTN.As far as rights fee, Wilner writes:"WCC fans should
keep in mind that the (probably undisclosed) rights fee cannot compare to the
media deals signed recently by the Pac-12, the Big 12 or even Conference USA.
The big money is in football."In other words, the WCC did as
well as possible for a basketball conference, and as we know, BYU already has
their own exclusive 8-year contract with ESPN for football.
I like Todd C. and Sammy Linebaugh. I didn't like the MTN, but they were one of
the few bright spots on it. I'd rather rather have a BYU player with more
experience than Fowler provide the color, but I'm not sure what former players
do color. Anyone else have suggestions?
@hohum Who is Jon Wilner and what makes him an expert. Hundreds
of thousands, not that I care about the money, but could it be 700,000 to
900,000. Tell me why not***** Right Cougar logic would
conclude that when an informed, objective columnist says that a broadcast deal
will probably net BYU a few hundred thousand dollars he really means $700,000 to
$900,000. And thus another Cougar myth is born. As for Jon Wilner Google is your friend.
Howie:Who is Jon Wilner and what makes him an expert. Hundreds of
thousands, not that I care about the money, but could it be 700,000 to 900,000.
Tell me why not.Exposure not money. Although if you follow money,
the bcs schools are trying to buy the best team money can buy.
Thank you for all these many, many comments, Howard. I now remember why I like
it when the kids are busy with school.
@broom hockey champDave McCann was a Las Vegas sports anchor for
many years and was hired by BYUtv last year to host the show True Blue which has
been airing regularly for some time. Dave is an outstanding sportscaster and I
would bet that BYUtv will use him as the play-by-play guy and bring in Blaine
Fowler for the color commentary. Let's hope they don't hire Todd Christensen -
he's way more concerned about impressing viewers with his vocabulary than with
providing quality commentary. I think that if I ever hear him say "ad
nauseam" again, I'm going to hurl!
@ howie...no one cares about the money but you. the 'collective'
does not need money. most of the ESPN timeslots have been assimilated by the
'collective'. U will live on table scraps of exposure compliments of the
'collective'resistance is futile...
@PAC man"is that all you've got howie?"**********No need to be insulting PAC man... But, I do understand and
accept that an honest opinion from an informed source such as Wilner will never
excite the Collective unless it perpetuates the myth of Cougar supremacy.
yawn!is that all you've got howie?ESPN envy from a BCS
sycophant; gotta love it.
@Veritas Aequitas"You KNOW the money?"******Okay V.A. back from meetings... "so les do dis thang..."A careful reading of my comment at 2:31 p.m. reveals that I was quoting
Jon Wilner on the radio today.He said "a few hundred
thousand" for each WCC school annually. Based on his comments
$300,000 sounds like a reasonable range.The Collective will refute
that estimate, but if Wilner had estimated $5 million per year/per school it
would have been accepted as gospel truth by the Nation.But, if
financial disclosure is an issue, isn't it true that neither BYU or ESPN have
released financial details of the football package, yet the Collective accepts
as fact that the deal is worth at least $10 million annually ranging up to $20
million.How do you think those numbers are known? hmmmmm?As for Utah's exposure, winning in the PAC 12 will generate abundant and
sufficient exposure. As for BYU exposure, it will disappear as
quick as twelve dozen donuts at a BYU Ward social if the Cougars don't produce
victories early and often.And finally... disrespected by the PAC?
BYU certainly, not Utah.
I think it's funny how Howard S. does NOT know how much it is and it is driving
him CRAZY. So what does he do? Starts making up stuff! Howie, I
refer you back to Deep Thoughts and In Stitches. They wrote what we are all
Howard S. | 2:31 p.m. Taylorsville, UT @CG Guaranteed,
it's more than $200,000 per year/school. BYU, on it's own, could demand that
much per game.*********Okay, so maybe a few hundred thousand
may be more like $300,000 than $200,000 but the word paltry comes to mind==="The West Coast Conference has signed a new television
contract with ESPN that will provide unprecedented exposure for its men's
basketball programs, including Saint Mary's, Santa Clara and USF.The
eight-year deal announced Wednesday allows for a minimum of 48 appearances per
year on the ESPN family of networks -- 10 more than the WCC has averaged in past
years -- and takes effect for the 2011-12 season. The rights fee was
not announced."===You KNOW the money?Anyways...So now the Utes are hanging their hats on money. Good, they need the $$$.Lose the envy.All of a
suddent UofU athletics is about the money, but not getting on TV? I thought the
PAC-12 move was about quality exposure? Was I wrong?How's that going
to help recruiting?Utah has been disrespected by the PAC. Makes you
want to ask why?
I know this is a basketball article, but I am more interested in the football
proceedings and thought that since we were talking about TV agreements I might
be able to get some answers that have thus far eluded me.
The guy who did the play-by-play for those handful of basketball games the past
two seasons for BYU-TV (I forget his name) will return (he used to be the
play-by-play guy for the UNLV Rebels before coming to BYU-TV.It will
be interesting to see how they turn a public television station into a cash cow,
but they'll figure it out. I doubt they can work commercials into the broadcast,
but maybe charge a premium for those "this program is sponsored by
...." promo's at the beginning and end of the broadcast.
They've got to be trying to fill the broadcasting spot(s) now as the season is
only 2 fast Sundays away and the person(s) will have to do research, begin
scheduling travel, etc. I would like Todd C., but he is still probably locked
into a MWC contract. A former player might be good, but I'm not sure who has
the experience....If Mr. Harmon reads this, please report on this.
:)Will the game have commercials like other programming on BYUtv or
are games going to be condensed?This stuff has got to be settled
soon. Inquiring minds want to know.
@Broom Hockey ChampI've wondered that myself but don't really know.
I remember back in the 80's when games were sometimes broadcast on KBYU. I can't
remember the name of the guy that did the announcing, Jay something or another I
think, but the telecasts were actually decent. Then the games they had on KSL
were pretty high quality games with guys like Paul James, Jim Nance and Craig
Bolerjack doing the announcing.I would guess they will get some
decent talent to do it but it will be interesting to find out who it will be.
The main goal purported by the University in going independent in football and
to the WCC in all other applicable sports was to get more exposure for BYU
sports programs. Sounds like this deal achieves just that for bball. Amazing how
BYU haters try to spin it in a million different directions.
Does anyone know who will be the football commentators for the games that air on
BYUtv? Todd Christensen or will BYU bring back someone like Detmer? Anyone
know?Will there be commercials during the broadcast similar to how
the BYU channel works now?
Howard S.Congratulations on Utah being paid lots of $$$ NOT to play
on ESPN!There now, feeling better about yourself.For BYU
fans, having oodles of opportunities to watch the Cougars play nationally
televised football and basketball games on ESPN is paramount. We'll let the
beancounters worry about the money.For Utah fans, money seems to be
the only thing U care about these days - greed is everything in the BCS. BYU - great exposure, enough money to make Craig Thompson green with
envyUtah - lots of money, limited exposureTwo programs
with vastly different priorities.
@howieThis is a basketball deal so almost any money from it is good
money. As your demi god wilner told us a few months ago "it is doubtful
that pac10 basketball is worth anything to anyone". The pac10 deal you keep
bragging up is about football, basketball was a worthless aferthought thrown in
for some winter night content. Once again for BYU it isn't about the
money anyway, they already have more money than they need with a backer with
bottomless pockets. It is about being on tv, in prime time, nationally. Mission
accomplished with some extra dollars to boot.
Interesting this article didn't mention (even in passing) that any games not
live on ESPN's network WILL be live on BYUtv, in HD no less. And BYUtv has the
right to rebroadcast later that night any live BYU-ESPN games.That's
for both football AND basketball, I believe.I have the impression
from what I've read so far about BYUtv's availability that it's supposed to not
let much go unnoticed, including women's sports and other men's sports.Some events might get tape-delayed broadcasting when two or more are being
played at the same time when ESPN isn't involved, I'd assume.I'm
also interested in how much WCC coverage (when BYU is not playing) might be
shown on BYUtv, like they did for the WCC basketball championship in March.Does anyone know where information about the breadth of broadcasting
sports for BYUtv has been written about?
@CG Guaranteed, it's more than $200,000 per year/school.
BYU, on it's own, could demand that much per game.********* On the radio today after reminding the hosts that Everything does not always
revolve around BYU.. Jon Wilner, who knows west coast collegiate sports as well
as anyone, suggested that the deal would be worth a few hundred thousand per
year for each WCC school. Okay, so maybe a few hundred thousand
may be more like $300,000 than $200,000 but the word paltry comes to mind
Congratulations Cougars! We go Independent in football and get six games on
ESPN with the possibility of more being picked up. BYUTV also will broadcast
the games ESPN doesn't so Cougar fans will be able to see the football team.
Then this news with the WCC contract with ESPN gets us more exposure. I am sure
the success of our BB team had something to do with ESPN working out a deal with
the WCC. Let's face it BYU has a brand that is marketable and when you are
marketable networks like ESPN are willing to put you on TV if it puts money in
@FaridFreddy Whittingham moved to California after his sophomore
year because his dad, Fred sr., got a job with the L.A. Rams. He was a great
player at Provo High, just like his brothers were, before they moved. Eddie Rowe
was a year younger and was a stud running back at Provo high rushing for over
2000 yds his jr. year and being named Street and smitths All American. Sr. year
I think he ran for over 1800 yds. He was recruited by just about every major
college football program in the country, USC, Nebraska, etc. before finally
deciding on BYU. We all thought it ironic he and Freddy were called
to the same mission and were even companions for a little while I think.Eddy blew his knee out badly in practice after he got back from his
mission and never played again. Too bad because he was a great running back.
Just wondering if maybe you remembered him as well.
CG,Couldn't agree more. Why our friends-on-the-hill even care is
beyond me.They don't believe it, but The Church would gladly trade
most of the money they are now making for even more exposure. My son is on his
mission in Nashville, and he'll probably help bring The Church to a few hundred
people during his time there (not baptisms, just people who learn more about
what and who we are).Each game will bring the church to say a
million people per football game and a few hundred thousand for basketball. I
have to pay for my son to bring the message forth but the school gets paid
millions of dollars to let someone else do it for them. That's a pretty good
deal.I was an atheist growing up in D.C. in the mid 70's when I
started hearing stories of BYU scoring 40+ points per game and guys named
Nielsen and Wilson throwing four and five TD's a game. I was intrigued. So when
the missionaries later found my door, I was more receptive, talking football for
an hour before they talked religion.Sports sells Religion.
"There are media reports from California that the deal will pay about
$200,000 per year/school."Guaranteed, it's more than $200,000
per year/school. BYU, on it's own, could demand that much per game.Whatever the price tag, however, 10 to 15 nationally televised games per year
on ESPN is a quantum leap over the one nationally televised conference game BYU
had this past season during Jimmermania.As a BYU fan, it's fun
watching the almost weekly ESPN-BYU announcements driving the kids on the hill
into fits of jealous hysteria.
Duckhunter,I seem to remember another missionary that Freddie knew
but don't remember him specifically.I didn't make the connection
with his famous family for a couple of weeks. Freddie was really short
(5'9"?) and looked like just another missionary. He came by my house on his
P-day and I was playing basketball. He asked if he could play. I am
6'4" and was pretty good in high school, so I said sure, but I figured I'd
go easy on him, me being six or seven inches taller than him. His companion was
just smiling and I didn't know why until he beat me 20-0 in the first game. I
did better the second time, losing "just" 20-4. He came in
for some orange juice and saw my "1984 BYU National Championship" book
(this was '85 or '86)on the table. He picked it up, flipped through it, grabbed
a pen and scribbled in it. I was like, "What are you doing????" I
looked at the page and he autographed the page with his picture on it. Wow. Fond memories.But sorry, don't remember your friend.
Howard,Give it a rest already. You sound like a child. ===To the Cougars:Congratulations on your partnership
(both in Football and with the WCC) with ESPN. I'm looking forward to seeing
what you will do with it. Good luck.Go Utes!
And yet, here YOU are Howie S. all over this article sounding all jealous. That
is what makes all of this so much FUN. Enjoy your Summer Break, Son.
@In Stitches As a Conference of private schools, the WCC
doesn't have to reveal their financial details (just like they don't reveal
their caoaches salaries).The best part is that it is obviously
driving at least one troll crazy because he can't know the details. That right
there makes it just plain FUN!****** There are media
reports from California that the deal will pay about $200,000 per
year/school. Now thats fun. ESPN probably pays
more for womens bowling, or championship poker. Oh, and another
fun fact is that Utah gets more than $200,000 for a half a quarter of a football
ESPN and BYU...like dark chocolate and cashews...try some......um um good!
hedgehog"Do you BYU fans know where the WCC tournement[sic] is
played?"Yes. Thousands of BYU fans watched the Cougars crush
Nebraska in the Las Vegas Classic in the Orleans Arena the same day BYU
destroyed Oregon State in the 2009 Las Vegas Bowl.It's a nice arena,
with comfortable padded chairs and a seating capacity of 7,500 for basketball.
The WAC and WCC basketball tournaments were both held in the Orleans Arena this
year.A word of advice: Spell check is your friend; try it some time.
For all you WCC haters lets look at Sweet 16 appearances in the last three years
for the 2012 WCC and the PAC 12 teams.2011 WCC BYU PAC 12
Arizona2010 WCC St Mary's PAC 12 Washington2009 WCC Gonzaga
PAC 12 ArizonaSo really is the mighty PAC 12 that much better
than the WCC? The WCC schools have three different schools representing in the
three years. The PAC only has two. The PAC 12 may have more recognizable
names, but not sure you can argue that they are a superior conference.The number of schools invited to the dance is more about politics (supposed
power conferences) Sweet 16 appearances are about superior basketball teams.
@UteologyA, B, D? Did you get your college education at the U?A) I'm fine with the jumbo Tron message. It was true!B) I loved
max hall's statements. Couldn't have said it any better myself. C or D)
I'm fine with Jan's and Paul's comments. Support them 100%Go
@FaridYou lived in West Palm beach while Freddy was there huh?
Another one of my buddies, and a former Provo High/BYU guy like Freddy was in
that mission at the same time, Eddie Rowe. Did you know him as well?
@wedgieActually yes I do know what and where the Orleans arean is.
I, like many other BYU fans, attended a tournament there are few years ago that
BYU played in and watched them beat Louisville and then lose a very close game
to North Carolina. It is a very nice arena actually and it seats 9500 people,
not the 6000 you lied about, I actually thought it was a very nice mid sized
arena and of course being in Vegas it is a great place to go to attend a
tournament. I thought the MWC should have held their tournament there the last
few years rather than give unlv home games. But thanks again for not
knowing what you are talking about while many of the BYU fans on here have
actually been there. LOL
As a Conference of private schools, the WCC doesn't have to reveal their
financial details (just like they don't reveal their caoaches salaries). The best part is that it is obviously driving at least one troll crazy
because he can't know the details. That right there makes it just plain FUN!
I'll never understand why Utah fans meander over to our message boards and try
to give us grief. It's kind of like rooting for your team in the
opponent's home stadium. You don't jump-and-down and do an in-your-face dance at
the other guy's place. You show some respect and remain low-key.I
acknowledge that after almost thirty years, Utah football has caught up to BYU.
They are now both excellent programs. But as a whole, the BYU Athletic
Department runs circles around most every school in the west. I
worked with Kyle Whittingham when he was an assistant at Idaho State. He is a
great guy. His brother was a missionary in our ward when we lived in West Palm
Beach Florida 25 years ago (Freddy). He's a great guy too.Why do
some Utah fans have to try to tear down BYU? Because they really believe we're
the superior program and the only way to make them look better is to make us
HH:Do you find it "arduouse" that your ability to make
cogent comments if "fadeing"? Fun little sidenote: Even if
the arena is half full, there will still be more people there than at the HC to
watch the Utes.
Fun little sidenote.Do you bYu fans know where the WCC tournement is
played? Didn't think so...let me clue you in.It's called the
Orleans casino/ arena. LOL!! It was designed for D list
"entertainers" to keep there fadeing careeries on life support. The
"arena" holds less than 6,000.
Moderate, u gets dollars from the others games whether the u is on tv or not.When I was growing up, my oldest brother was part of group that thought
they were the "cool" kids. Myabe they were, maybe they weren't but
they had convinced others they were. Kids wanted to be part of the group. Each
of the group, six of them, rode their bikes everywhere accompanied by their
dogs.There was a kid in the neighborhood (Marvin not really his
name) who wanted to be part. He did not have a dog or a bike. He was so anxious
to belong that he chose to run with the dogs. The boys did not encourage him but
his appeals were such that they agreed with the association. My brother and
friends shared their food and water whenever they stopped. Marvin was content to
take of their acceptance no matter how humilating just to be part and get
something to eat and drink. He was content to just say he was part
of the group. Sound familar.
The bottom line is that this is absolutely terrific news. To spin it otherwise
is foolish. I am sure the game time starts will mirror those of the Pac 10.2
except I'll be able to watch unlike some other teams in the local area.
At this point, I'm actually happy that "all other sports" ended up in
the WCC. As we know, the first plan was to move all other sports to the WAC.
When that idea imploded, I initially thought WCC was a desperation move and
football was really just that much more important than all other sports.But I've come to realize that the WCC will be a superior basketabll
conference to the MWC or old WAC. They new WCC will consistently send two teams
to the big dance, frequently three teams, and occasionally four teams. We all know BYU, Zags and St Mary's will be contenders year in and year
out. But several other teams are returning most of their players and look to be
strong contenders in the year(s) ahead.ESPN recognizes this and
rewarded them with this sweet extension.
UteologyHow ever many times it takes.A) Apologized for
bad behavior.B) Apologized for bad behavior. Granted, you say only
because a coach grabbed him by the ear and made him apologize, but that is the
point.C) Somehow I missed this whole story, can't comment.Did
I miss Coach Whit apologizing collectively for the team's boorish behavior? Did
anyone officially even say they were sorry? Unofficially? It was allowed to
happen twice.Anybody who watched the game knows how Boise coaches
handled their kids who wanted to stand up to the Utah behavior.
@ Willary, 5:23 p.m. June 8,Glad to see you admit that BYU's 1984
National Championship is RELEVANT!
Chris B | 2:15 p.m. June 8, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT Nothing like
fighting to be atop the 10th best conference in the nation. And
there's nothing like fighting to keep from having 5 losing seasons in 7 years.
Or to keep enough players to field a team. Or to get an alum to help coach. etc
Glad to see the Cougars will be on TV. It makes the BB season much better that
trying to listen on the radio. For my Utah friends. If Utah was on
TV, I would not watch. They are not my team. Go Cougars.
@Howard - "how much?"Who cares how much!? BYU doesn't
care about the cash return on this. It's a pittance compared to the real value
which is increased exposure for the program.Howard - seriously.
Read the articles. Put 2 and 2 together. BYU has been entirely transparent
about this new non-MWC approach. It's isn't about the money. Over and over
again. It's about more exposure and that's exactly what ESPN and BYU are doing
Two points...1. I'd happily turn down Pac-nn conference invitation
and stay Independent indefinitely. The Pac-nn conference is the most overrated
and overhyped conference across the board vs. any other conference in America.
I respect the programs at Oregon and Stanford, and somewhat at UW, but the rest
of the teams are doormats. The U and Colorado just add more doormats.2. RE: "look at how much money we're getting...wheee" - Who
cares! It's about the scoreboard. I'll take the wins and you can have your
humiliating losses and some cash. BYU is not hurting for cash.
RE: "We're picked to win our PAC 12 division and play in the BCS conference
championship game our very first year out of the MWC."Just
plain LOL.... Never Ever going to happen. Not ever. Ever.
@Veritas AequitasPlease, tell your players to be on their best behavior.
The Vegas Bowl was not a shining moment for Utah.Let's keep it
classy when representing the state. --------------How
many time are you going to say the same thing? I agree but you call out Cougar
Nation first...A) BYU apologizes to USU for ill-advised Jumbotron
messageB) BYU football: Max Hall reprimanded [for his tirade] by MWCD) BYU football: Lamb, Jorgensen reprimanded for comments in Daily by MWCWere you embarrassed by the actions by your players and fans? If so did
you call them out before like you the Utes?
This is fantastic news! I'm so happy for Dave.PLUS, I will get to
watch my Cougars play football and basketball on ESPN for years to come. That
makes this girl very happy!
Dave S | 2:18 p.m. June 8, 2011 Holladay, UTI hope you enjoy
watching those 10:00pm start times Cougar fans!!===You also
hoped that we would enjoy all those mid-week football games.... Thanks for
Cougar_Independence | 8:01 p.m. June 8, 2011 Fact is BYU basketball
and football will be on ESPN more often than Utah. Everyone knows that. Question
is, Utah is now a little fish in a big pond. What can Utah do? It has no
negotiating leverage. BYU is the 600 lb. Gorilla, and Utah is now the ugly,
red-headed step child of the PAC 10.2Nicely put. LOL is WAY
overused but it definitely fit here!
@ Howard SPlease see my comment at 8:01 pm. Clearly you probably got
your education at a public university as well. Private schools won't
reveal financials. How many games does Utah have on ESPN again?Go Cougars!
@ Chris B"We're picked to win our PAC 12 division and play in
the BCS conference championship game our very first year out of the MWC"Oh, but you and u won't. Exactly what did the utes show last year that
they can win this year? Tough competition blew you and u out of the water (TCU,
ND, BSU) and you and u could only muster a 1 point victory over a very young BYU
7-6 team.you and U "WILL" not win. Mark that down! We all
"The Utes may not be on TV as much, but they get paid television dollars
regardless of if their game is broadcast or not."The life of
every cellar dweller in every major conference -- getting paid to be cannon
fodder for the big boys of the conference.
@Howard S. See Cougar_Independence quote above.Besides, Howard, I
thought that exposure and money didn't matter...isn't it "all about
winning" in your words? I'd say BYU's got that down pretty well. We're
still waiting for the U to break .500 :) As for BYU's
marketability, as I stated above, with people around the nation knowing about
BYU and Jimmer, I'd say that it's pretty solid. But thanks for your concern :)
The Utes may not be on TV as much, but they get paid television dollars
regardless of if their game is broadcast or not.
How much people???It's an indication of the market value of BYU
BB.Is it more than the ESPN spelling bee, or womens bowling, or
championship poker?How much....
I don't know how much the deal is worth, but I'm willing to bet that it is a lot
more than BYU was getting from the MWC / The MTN.And I'm willing to
bet that it's about 12 more games on national TV than U will have.I
haven't checked the Utes site lately. Any more players leaving since Sharp?
@ John in SLC"By not mentioning it, the reporter can only leave
us to assume the answer to both questions is "Not enough to
mention.""Actually, the WCC is 100% private universities,
so they are not required to release financial information. I know you probably
went to a public university (eg. Utah) and got a public education, and so you
probably didn't know about the private university protocol, but I'm glad I could
educate U. Leave it up to BYU grads to always teach U alumni new
stuff.BYU never releases financial information, and the WCC won't
either. Fact is BYU basketball and football will be on ESPN more
often than Utah. Everyone knows that. Question is, Utah is now a little fish in
a big pond. What can Utah do? It has no negotiating leverage. BYU is the 600 lb.
Gorilla, and Utah is now the ugly, red-headed step child of the PAC 10.2Go Cougars!
@ williary "Because BYU has not done anything relevant on the
national stage since 1984."Yeah, beating Utah 3 times in the
last 5 years is not relevant on the national stage because Utah isn't relevant
on the national stage. Win a national championship Utah, then you
sit at the adult table.Go Cougars!
@ Chris b"We're picked to win our PAC 12 division and play in
the BCS conference championship game our very first year out of the MWC"Who picked the Utes to win the PAC 12 south in basketball or football?
Chris, you picking the utes to win doesn't mean they are going to win!Arizona will win the PAC 12 south in football in 2011. Utah can't beat USC,
Arizona, or ASU. BYU will beat Ole Miss, Utah, and Oregon State. Go Cougars!
wow, certain "fans" are the biggest idiots in the world. BYU is on ESPN lots and lots and lots of times, for years and years and years.
Before you throw out words like football on thursdays all the time...look at
"your" team's schedule. Also note, educate yourself and
read your own page...until you realize how bad ute BB is.
Okay if BYU BB is so marketable, how much were they worth to ESPN?Enough for the beancounters at ESPN to want to televise 10 to 15 BYU games in
@Harold S "Okay if BYU BB is so marketable, how much were they worth to
ESPN?" Apparently enough for ESPN to extend their contract with
the WCC for another 8 years...isn't that what this article was all about? BTW, for both Harold S. and Duckhunter Hunter...talking about
marketability and BYU being a national brand. I'm currently working for the
summer at a high profile art gallery in Santa Fe, NM. We get people from all
over the states, including a lot from the east coast, who come in. Whenever I
mention the fact that I'm from Utah, they don't mention anything about the U.
But when I tell them I'm going to school at BYU, curiously enough, they
immediately mention Jimmer and how good BYU's team was last year.
So yeah, I'd say BYU's marketability is pretty solid. People from all over the
country have definitely had their interest and it's only going to get better
with the increased exposure through ESPN. Go Cougars!
Howard S. | 7:07 p.m. June 8, 2011 Taylorsville, UT @uteBusters"BYU is a marketable basketball product that fans all over the
country are interested in watching."*******Okay if BYU BB
is so marketable, how much were they worth to ESPN?hmmmmm? ===Sooooooo...Howard, wait for the announcement of the
dollars.In the meantime, figure what BYU gets for football.And, if you want to know and understand how exposure helps, read the other
article in the Des New where Joe Dupaix explains it.Just figure
BYU's football money, add to it the ESPN basketball money, add to that how much
BYUTV makes, throw in the free exposure...Then compare a game on FS,
VS, and the game BYU put on ESPN for the Utes, and figure what being a second
rated member of the PAC costs Utah.Utah got disrespected by the PAC.
Explain that, please.Please, tell your players to be on their best
behavior. The Vegas Bowl was not a shining moment for Utah.Let's
keep it classy when representing the state.
@uteBusters"BYU is a marketable basketball product that fans
all over the country are interested in watching."*******Okay if BYU BB is so marketable, how much were they worth to ESPN?hmmmmm?
Duckhunter Hunter Guaranteed there are more fans nationwide who are
interested in watching BYU basketball, than that sorry train wreck on the hill.
Without Majerus, Utah is barely above UVU/SUU level.Nowadays, Utah
barely draws enough fans to fill half the lower bowl at the Huntsman.Our once in 30-years talent was only recruited by one other school, but made a
bigger splash nationally than any player in Utah history.Bogut may
have won the Wooden Award, but I don't remember a single highlight of his ever
being shown repeatedly on ESPN.
"MichiganCoog,We're picked to win our PAC 12 division and play
in the BCS conference championship game our very first year out of the MWCAnd You?"And TCU was picked to win the MWC football
championship every preseason from 2005 to 2009. How many times did they win it,
and when?If Utah wins the PAC south, which is a possibility (and not
incredibly unlikely), then it is probably a better indicator of how weak the PAC
south is rather than how good the Utes are (look at the end of last year-- Utah
needed all the luck in the world to beat one of the worst BYU teams in decades,
a BYU team you Ute fans said was a horrible team). BYU will do fine."A troll isn't someone who lives under a bridge, a troll is someone who
goes "fishing" for someone who will bite on the bait. If trolls are
ignored, they go away."I have doubts about this, In My Humble
Opinion. Ernest T. Bass is almost always ignored (I've only seen one reply to
him in the past few months), yet he continues to go on with his blabber.
Why is so there much hate for the MWC and Thompson? Yeah Thompson is probaly one
of the worst commissioners ever but just let it go. The affilition with the MWC
is over so why is there so much resentment? Every time I read a comment on these
boards it's all about how the MWC did this and that. Just seems like there is
alot of bad blood between BYU and Utah fans against the MWC.
LOL at uteBusters! A once-in-30 years talent comes along and you have a Sweet
16 appearance and suddenly you're a "a marketable basketball product that
fans all over the country are interested in watching." When
you suggest that basketball fans all over the country want to watch BYU, are you
referring to existing BYU fans or are you suggesting that, after last season,
the average NCAA basketball fan has decided that BYU is now a perennial
powerhouse?You're losing it, brah. Your last Sweet 16 appearance
before this was....1981.
@TJ"Your team is playing several big schools because they are
in a conference that tells the other schools that they have to play with
you."In order to be in the situation you are describing, you
have to be INVITED to play in the conference. Utah was, which, by default,
means that the other schools in the conference wanted to play Utah. Using a
little logic goes a looooooong way, sir.BYU, on the other hand, was
NOT INVITED and, instead, was left on its own.....LOL!
WilliaryYou have one chance to take it back and make a rational
@TJ"These games were earned by BYU because of a nationwide
reputation as a top school and national respect for BYU."Wow,
that couldn't be any further from the truth.Those games were earned
because BYU has millions of members around the world. That's it.
Because BYU has not done anything relevant on the national stage since 1984.
Chris B,The utes will not play a bowl game for at least three years.
Chris BWhere did utah finish last year?Give it a
rest.We get it. You don't like BYU.But you can't leave
it alone, can you.-----------A troll isn't someone who
lives under a bridge, a troll is someone who goes "fishing" for
someone who will bite on the bait. If trolls are ignored, they go away.
Howard S."Is this contract costing ESPN anything, or is the
WCC/BYU paying for the exposure?"We're not talking Utah
basketball here, which nobody, including Utah fans wants to watch (see Huntsman
Center last season).BYU is a marketable basketball product that fans
all over the country are interested in watching.If you're looking
for someone to televise Utah basketball, try one of those late night
Jimmer paved the way. And he will pave the way for many Cougs and other WCC
players in the future to be early NBA draft picks just like he will be. I've
heard that by wearing Shape-Ups he has improved his vertical by 1/4 inch and his
foul line to foul line time by .84 seconds.
Is this contract costing ESPN anything, or is the WCC/BYU paying for the
Chris B-- Go to your ute games and enjoy being the doormat of the conference.
Conspicuously absent from this story is the answer to the natural questions that
are usually included in recent news reports about college sports TV contracts.
They are: How much is ESPN paying the WCC for these rights? and, How will the league divide the proceeds?By not mentioning it, the
reporter can only leave us to assume the answer to both questions is "Not
enough to mention." So if its only about exposure and not about the (lack
of) money then I say, Mission Accomplished.
crisbOne publication picked U to win the southern division because it is
weak and USC can't participate in the championship game. The same article
predicted Stanford to win the conference championship game by a whole lot of
points over TUN. The rest have them finishing below Arizona, USC and one
even below UCLA. It is one thing to be picked but the games still have to be
played.BYU has 7 games scheduled to be televised by the world wide
leader in sports their first year as an independent. They have games scheduled
with many of the top programs in the country over the next 3+ years with many
more to be announced. These games were earned by BYU because of a nationwide
reputation as a top school and national respect for BYU. Your team is playing
several big schools because they are in a conference that tells the other
schools that they have to play with you. Doesn't sound so Rosy for your school
with your red glasses off does it. I will look for your post on September 17th.
Chris BOptimal schedule means a great opportunity for the U to do
what you say is expected. I hope they can recover and do just that, after their
humiliation at LES this fall.
@ Chris BBig diff between "picked" and "won".
When you win a National Championship, come talk.
Chris B"We're picked to win our PAC 12 division and play in the
BCS conference championship game our very first year out of the MWC"Nice dodge, but this is basketball article and the question referred
specifically to Utah's basketball prospects for 2011-12, considering how Utah
couldn't even beat the WCC bottom dweller, San Diego, last season.btw,Utah being picked to win the PAC 12 south this year isn't an
endorsement of how good Utah football is going to be, it's an indictment of how
bad the PAC 12 south in going to be.
RE: RiddlesI wouldn't count on BYU going to the Big 12. The Big 12 (read
"Texas") is quite happy with 10 teams. There isn't motivation to
expand.Independence is a great option for BYU. Enjoy it.
Dave S got PONNED! The times are 10pm EST...which means 8mp on the wasatch
front. Keey trying.
MichiganCoog,We're picked to win our PAC 12 division and play in the
BCS conference championship game our very first year out of the MWCAnd You?
Ahhhhh. Just like the good ol' days in the MWC. Oh wait a second. Perhaps not!!
Memo to "Commissioner" Thompson: This is a good thing!! ESPN and
national recognition/attention is a good thing. Let's see: ESPN coverage vs. MWC
"Network." Hmmmmm. Great contract for the WCC!
Dave SGet a clue yourself. Thursday night games are
never going to be played earlier than 6pm PT / 9pm ET; most games will be played
at 7pm or 8pm PT, which was typical for most weeknight PAC 10 and MWC games last
season.No real change as far as time slot; BIG change as far a
television coverage. Your jealous sniping is meaningless.
Byu has a great deal in the wcc but to say it is better than the Pac 12 is just
flat wrong. To go further and say that this basketball deal is some kind of
ground breaking accomplishment and BYU's role was monumental in getting this
done is a reach at best.
It seems more and more clear that the mtn's television deal played a big part of
the seismic changes in the MWC. In some ways, the TV deal killed the conference
along with the lack of leadership that didn't stop the dying of the conference.
@dave s"Check your facts there snack pac. Those would east
coast start times you're talking about. Get a clue my friend!!"If they were east coast times then they would be two hours earlier in MTN time
not two hours later genious. LOL!Love how you tell Snack Pac to get
a clue when he is actually correct and you can't even add or subtract. LOL!
8:00 and 10:00 p.m. games are better than no games at all. Utah couldn't beat
the weakest WCC basketball team!!
Moderate; Actually, they would sign a long contract without assurance BYU
would be there to the end. The WCC had an ESPN contract before BYU joined. You
are going to see more good teams with some pull signing contracts like the BYU
football contract. Every team for themselves for whatever motivates them. BYU
was motivated by exposure. They got that and a bunch of $$ to go with it. Utah
desperately needed money so they could compete with BYU and other big time
schools. They got that and in 4-6 years this should really start to pay off for
them when they have a good start on catching up to BYU and the bigger PAC
schools with quality of facilities.
@Dave S."I hope you enjoy watching those 10:00pm start times
Cougar fans!!"Actually David; The usual tip off time will be
8:00PM MDT for West coast games. It is the same time slot that the
PAC is in. Not that you need to worry too much about seeing the TUN on tv for
the next few years if there is a WCC game to televise. Can you Imagine any game
with your team being televised over a BYU game? Me either.
Moderate"ESPN wouldn't sign that deal without assurance the BYU
is long term in the WCC. BYU could still go Big East football-only,
though."I doubt ESPN got any such long-term commitment from BYU
to stay in the WCC. If the Big 12 comes calling in a couple of years, everyone
knows BYU won't hesitate to make the jump. As far as the Big East in football
only, I'd rather stay an independent. The Big East, with TCU, would simply be
the MWC with longer travel.
Re: Snack PACCheck your facts there snack pac. Those would east
coast start times you're talking about. Get a clue my friend!!
ESPN wouldn't sign that deal without assurance the BYU is long term in the WCC.
BYU could still go Big East football-only, though.
Chris B,Yeah, fighting top of the Tenth best league that Utah just
lost to 4 or 5 times to this last winter and spring kinda rings hollow on your
arguement doesn't it? What does that say about your Utes's chances in the
PAC10.2? Next to no chance of winning much at all, just like your overrated
Football team...Even though you feel big about being in a supposedly
bigger boys league, but can't even beat anyone in the WCC...pretty sad if you
ask me. Prepare for total humiliation in your big boys conference B-ball, and
continued embarrasing thrashing at the hands of those supposedly weaker
conferences that continue to own your Utesies (i.e. BYU, San Diego, Pepperdine,
and the like)!
Chris BWhere did utah finish last year?Give it a
rest.We get it. You don't like BYU.But you can't leave
it alone, can you.We will see where BYU is after a year or two of
WCC/ Independence.Until then, your opinions are just that.
Dave S | 2:18 p.m. June 8, 2011 Holladay, UT I hope you enjoy
watching those 10:00pm start times Cougar fans!! ---------------------Nice try jealous one, but the starts will be
6pm/8pm on Thursdays and Saturdays.
More games on ESPN = more recruits watching BYU = better BYU recruitingnot to mention, better access to BYU basketball for all BYU fans.A
Reports are this is the biggest deal ESPN has ever signed with a non-BCS
conference (take note CT) and the most extensive coverage ESPN has ever signed
with a non-football league. BYU played a SIGNIFICANT role in the negotiations.
I am so glad to be out of the Craig Thompson conference!ESPN
appreciates BYU...the WCC is a lot sexier with BYU in place....they are both
being rewarded by ESPN.NO MO MOUNTAIN!
I hope you enjoy watching those 10:00pm start times Cougar fans!!
The BYU-ESPN partnership is working like a well-oiled machine.Just
imagine what Jimmermania would have become if BYU-ESPN had been partners this
past season?Well done Tom!
Nothing like fighting to be atop the 10th best conference in the nation.
Said it before and I will say it again, I would prefer the WCC to a BCS
conference for basketball. Incredible exposure, good money and a chance to win
the conference tournament every year. And unlike football whoever wins the Conf
Tourn has a chance to win it all. Just make the tournament in basketball.Looks like ESPN didn't mind that the WCC had "high school
gyms." It's estimated that BYU will be on an ESPN network at least 12-15
times per year. Recruits are going to love that! Also, because of Gonzaga's
exposure on ESPN teams are much more willing to play at Gonzaga. The same will
start happening for BYU. BYU will be able to schedule a very strong OOC schedule
and get some great games in the Marriott Center (where they do not lose very
frequently). Exciting times.