Brad Rock: Lockout will happen, NBA owners will win

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  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    June 7, 2011 7:05 a.m.

    think about it this get to play a sport you love for millions of get to go to the gym work get to see the sights of different get to meet celebrities...and a chance to be one...and they still arent happy with it? they really need luxury cars? they really need 15 bed room mansions for just 5 people?...its just funny how people spend their money...if i have the talent and i get paid at least 1M dollars to play...heck..i'd be more than happy to...i'd buy a three bedroom house...and a second hand car...and i'll stash the rest away...for my kid's education and for retirement...

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 6, 2011 1:49 p.m.

    How different would NBA play be (e.g., players' competitive efforts), if they got paid each year according to their output?

    Don't know how such a system could even be effected, but it'd be interesting to see the affect it would have on the players and the game.

    If the NFL and NBA both tank, there might be a lot of quiet Sundays across the nation. College sports would be the ONLY talks of the towns.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    June 6, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    "Besides, I always thought the owner of a business decided how much the employees made, not the other way around."

    Nope, it is the market that decides how much the employee is worth. For instance, the Jazz owner wanted to pay Wesley Matthews less than the market thought he was worth, so we walked.

    I just don't agree with guaranteed contracts. For example, AK was guaranteed to get $18 million last year and the Jazz were guaranteed to get a player worth more around $5 million.

  • jazzfan Pocatello, ID
    June 6, 2011 8:24 a.m.

    "Sports Illustrated reported a two years ago that 60 percent of NBA players go bankrupt within five years."

    This is in stark contrast to John Stockton. He froze his mom's lasagne to eat his rookie season just in case things didn't pan out. I also remember him driving to the Delta Center in a mini van. It is beyond me that anyone who makes that much money wouldn't put most of it away for the future.

  • goodDr. sandy, UT
    June 5, 2011 6:46 p.m.

    If you want the next 5 years to be the Heat, Lakers, Chicago, and one or two other big market teams winning and having 3 all-stars each, let's let the current CBA continue. If you want a chance in Jazzland to keep a player with an expiring contract, or pick up a free agent, then things have to change. i won't watch another NBA game until there is a hard(er) cap in place to protect the smaller markets.

  • Red Barchetta Midvale, utah
    June 5, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    too bad there isn't a Locke-out in Jazzland.

  • COOL HAND LUKE Old Ephraims Grave, UT
    June 5, 2011 1:30 p.m.


    In the world of golf, a player is paid in direct proportion to his ability to play.

  • COOL HAND LUKE Old Ephraims Grave, UT
    June 5, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    Eagle makes a very good point. Contracts are given accordingly to the perceived "output" of a player. Have teams been stung.? Absolutely! Have players been overpaid...? Assuredly! It is an entertainment based conglomerate,,, The NBA in 2010, posted income of over..wait for it 4 billion dollars! However, this country is based upon CAPITALISM And FREE markets. Nobody wants to see these players whine when making so much cake, but if we were in their shoes, wouldn't we want to make more for our talents? By the pole, it looks like most agree with the owners, in which I agree, they are the ones who took the r.i.s.k. of taking on a team etc, etc,. However, taxpayers paying for their buildings etc, has a lot to do with city planners, and government pukes. I'm a big bball fan, I hope they resolve it. If not bring on women's bikini archery. ;)

  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    June 5, 2011 1:16 p.m.

    I agree with Rock on this one. BUT, I believe the owners should also remember the fans in this. If they are going to keep the salaries in check then they should also keep ticket prices in check.

  • J R Stewart Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 5, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    The lockout will be at least until Dec 1st when the players miss their 2nd paycheck. By then, they may not be able to salvage the season in time.
    Last time the NBA caved into the NBAPA, giving the present unworkable contracts. This time the differences are much, much greater. This isn't just reworking the numbers, but an entirely new agreement.

  • samuel h wiscomb Sun Lakes, AZ
    June 5, 2011 11:46 a.m.

    Dear Brad Rock, Yes they too have mortgages. BUT It's pathetic if millionaires cannot live on their exhorbitant salaries. If they do not have sufficient put away in good accounts pehaps the NBA should make it MANDATORY they attend financial planning classes.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    June 5, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    Again, I have no sympathy for the owners who will do anything they can to win and get around their own salary caps with exception rules and such. Nobody forced Larry Miller to give Andre Kirilenko a max contract and Kirilenko got all he could, nothing wrong with that. Nobody put a gun to the Timberwolves owners giving Kevin Garnett 125 million over 7 years. No player IMO is overpaid if an owner is willing, no matter stupid that decision may be, to give him that money. We'll be doing this in another five years or so.

    And one last thing before we call the players whiny millionaires or whatever, it's the owners of many a professional franchise forever asking the taxpayers to foot their new stadiums and arenas. At least Garnett never asked the taxpayers to foot his salary through corporate welfare.

  • Vince the boonies, mexico
    June 5, 2011 9:27 a.m.

    So The "Booze" buys a 2.4 mil house and puts 25% down, I wonder where the millions he made while playing and sitting for the Jazz have gone? Pathetic, and I personnaly couldn't care less. It's the fans and more to the point citizens of this countrry who pay for every cent of income to both the "GREEDY" players and owners. What is the most pathetic about all of this is that taxpayers and consumers who "never" watch, attend, or have any interest at all in any of these pro sports are the financiers of the greeds mentioned above. Advertising of advertisers products pays a "big" percentage of the outragous incomes for these primma-donnas. It's time fans and taxpayers had a say in how much these jerks make and the same goes for this phony advertising that media has been selling all of us forever that inflates everything we exist on daily in our lives. Rebel fans and public, and let them all know enough is enough!

  • rbr Carlsbad, CA
    June 5, 2011 9:16 a.m.

    Player's don't start missing their first paycheck until Mid November and are paid twice a month. Once they reach an agreement, it will take 30 days before they can begin the season. So, until the players have missed 2-3 paychecks, there probably won't be any agreement. If they reach an agreement by Dec. 15 (after they have missed 3 paychecks) we will have a 50 game season that starts in early to mid January.
    Another factor that works in the owner's favor is the fact that NBA careers are finite. A good career is considered 10+ years. No one wants to lose out on 10% of their career earnings. Also, if you are a vet at the end of your career, or you are a team that is built to win now, ie Celtics, Spurs, Lakers, then you want to play ball now before your "window" closes.
    Finally, unlike the NFL, NBA players will have a harder time claiming irrepairable harm to their careers in the court system as there are other overseas leagues where they can play (there is more than one employer). There is no such "other" league for NFL players.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 5, 2011 9:04 a.m.

    Best scenario:

    1. Lockout happens, but is quickly over when players realize fans aren't totally behind them, and many players come to the realization they're too in debt to last a year not playing. High-paid superstars won't care, but a majority of the players do and put pressure on the group to give in.

    2. NBA season is revived with the owners' key demands met. Some player demands are met in compromising. (I'm not sure what those would be--there likely are some, though.)

    3. Teams' rosters get majorly jumbled due to the new hard cap. Talent gets more evened out--no more Miami or Boston type teams.

    4. Fans are rewarded with a bit lower ticket prices.

    5. Every NBA fan now has a legitimate chance to see their team in the NBA finals, depending on the quality of ownership and coaching, of course.

    In a perfect world.

    Guess we can always dream.

  • Anonigma Murray, UT
    June 5, 2011 1:32 a.m.

    Stupid lockout...otherwise Jazz would really have a #3 pick

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    June 5, 2011 12:38 a.m.

    Sorry Brad, but their isn't going to be any "winning" in this lockout - only different degrees of losing. These guys should come to a settlement now before the fans get disgusted with this bunch of millionaires complaining about how bad they've got it.