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  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    June 3, 2011 12:54 p.m.

    Officer Coolguy | 1:47 p.m. June 2, 2011
    Highland, UT
    LDS Liberal,

    How do you justify your position with the statements the leaders of your church have made?


    Are your leaders now infallable? I thought LDS members were supposed to evaluate the situation and decide for themselves; or has that changed?

  • cymrul West Valley City, UT
    June 3, 2011 9:26 a.m.

    So if marriage isn't a civil or human right what exactly IS it then? A legal tax write off? Or maybe, just maybe it's an expression of love and commitment.

  • isrred Logan, UT
    June 2, 2011 8:32 p.m.

    "Marriage is NOT a right and never has been."

    The Supreme Court says otherwise...

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    June 2, 2011 8:19 p.m.

    Freedom of Religion: The ninth amendment to the Constitution points out that there are rights that we are entitled to not listed in the Bill of Rights. It can be easily argued that marriage is among those rights or the ability to choose one's job, sell their property, move about the country etc.

  • Freedom of Religion Orem, UT
    June 2, 2011 6:06 p.m.

    Re:CHS 85

    "We also must be brave enough to protect the rights of those we do not agree with and even if they are in the minority."

    Marriage is NOT a right and never has been. We can debate rather homosexuals should be able to marry a person of the same sex but legal marriage is not a human right or a civil right. Human rights are rights which are inherent in a person at birth which means that marriage (or a certificate from a government) isn't a human right. Gay marriage isn't a civil right either since no one can marry a person of the same sex. It's a civil right for a homosexual to do the same thing as a heterosexual under current laws which is marry someone of the opposite sex.

    Now that this is settled we can move on to debate rather we want to change the law so that any two persons (regardless of sexual orientation) may marry one another regardless of gender. In other words do we change the laws so that both homosexuals and heterosexuals can do the same thing and marry someone of the same sex?

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    June 2, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    "Peter Vidmar is a sad example of what pressures can be brought to bear when one stands up for principle in a meaningful democratic way. We must be able to agree to disagree without fear of retribution on either side."

    I was so happy to hear that Frank has this view.

    It is so nice to know that he supports anti-discrimination in housing and employment policies that protect LGBT individuals and that he supports their rights to demonstrate and march in Pride parades.

    Now, if we could just get him to be more verbal in his support....

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    June 2, 2011 3:32 p.m.

    To "RanchHand | 12:06 p.m" and if I love more than 1 person, are you going to welcome that too. What if I am part of a group of 10 bisexuals that all love eachother and want to be married, are you willing to accept that also.

  • Officer Coolguy Highland, UT
    June 2, 2011 1:47 p.m.

    LDS Liberal,

    How do you justify your position with the statements the leaders of your church have made?

  • cymrul West Valley City, UT
    June 2, 2011 1:39 p.m.

    If I remember correctly, the Nazi's were the majority against a variety of minorities including homosexuals. Where are they now? And where are those they persecuted.
    And as far as Peter Vidmar, I honestly believe that nobody around here would care at all about his being asked to step down if he weren't LDS. If he really wanted the job he should have fought back harder against the few who opposed him. He wouldn't have won a medal, but maybe he would have prooved a point or even worked to make things better for both sides. NEWSFLASH!! He's not a martyr!

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    June 2, 2011 12:40 p.m.

    Frank likes that 98% can talk down to the minor 2% and make them less than equal simply because they are a majority.

    I would like to remind him - that we "Mormons" make up about less >1% [even less than the gay population].

    The beauty of our Constitution is that it protects the "one" -- no matter how much the majority wants them silienced, shunned and ignored.

    I believe in Karma -- you take away the rights of others...one day it will be yours that is taken away.

    If you want Freedom and equality - you must give freedom and equality.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    June 2, 2011 12:06 p.m.


    Nay sir, more equal it would not be. YOU would also be able to marry someone of the same sex, therefore, perfectly equal.

    And no, the system currently is not equal. You can marry the person you LOVE, we cannot.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    June 2, 2011 11:48 a.m.

    To "RanchHand | 10:29 a.m." how are gays "not equal to everyone else"?

    A gay man can get married to any woman that will have him, the same as a straight man. So, tell us, how are they not equal. If anything, gay marriage makes them unequal or "more equal" than others.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    June 2, 2011 10:29 a.m.

    There is an enormous difference between "agreeing to disagree" and voting AWAY the rights of your fellow law-abiding, tax-paying American Citizens.

    How would you feel if 98% of the population voted that you couldn't be equal to everyone else because you were "icky"?

  • Opinionated Sandy, UT
    June 2, 2011 8:23 a.m.

    RE: Furry1993
    You are confrontational. Frank said NOTHING about enforcing anything. What he said was actually just the opposite--that we need to learn to disagree without your type of comment.

  • Furry1993 Somewhere in Utah, UT
    June 2, 2011 7:45 a.m.

    The Bill of Rights was added to the Constitution to protect against the tyranny of the majority. Frank wants to enforce the tyranny of the majority. Sad.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    June 2, 2011 12:04 a.m.

    We also must be brave enough to protect the rights of those we do not agree with and even if they are in the minority.