Tea Leaf: New York situation shows Democrat blueprint for 2012

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  • Independent Woman West Jordan, UT
    June 2, 2011 2:00 p.m.

    Right on, George!!

  • George Bronx, NY
    June 1, 2011 9:31 a.m.

    why does the DN continue to insist on running opinion pieces in the Utah and world sections? opinion pieces are fine but at least place them in the right section.

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    June 1, 2011 7:47 a.m.

    You are a master spinner. I hope you are rewarded handsomely for your willingness to make this argument. This New York election was an indication that our President is incompetent? Only the rabid Obama haters will buy your spin.

  • working class Salt Lake City, UT
    May 31, 2011 11:18 p.m.

    Well Dr. Thredgold here's how it works. The last 20 years, in both the United States and Europe, there have been progressively lower tax rates for the wealthy and corporations. This has necessated borrowing. So the rich guys get a double benefit: they get low taxes and they get to loan money to the government and receive interest. Such a deal!

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    May 31, 2011 11:12 p.m.

    As stated in the second paragraph, if you are going to state 'your opinion' DesNews needs to put your article on the editorial page - your opinion is not news! Second, if you think the dems should 'do nothing', that would be good, they can't do any further damage. No matter what your sacred cow is the lies from the dems about the Ryan plan is typical of the of that party. When you don't have any ideas of your own (Dem/Libs) then lie about the Republican plan. I am SS age and the Ryan plan would not affect me. Your opinion is worth the paper it is written on.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 31, 2011 9:53 p.m.

    This is a great example of pundits finding a couple of facts out of context and leaping to flawed conclusions.

    Anyone really interested in the NY 26 debacle should check out a couple of columns written by radio talk show host Bob Lonsberry (available on his website- Google will find it for you). Lonsberry actually lives in NY 26 and is a Republican office holder, albeit a council member for a podunk town, not a big player in the Party politics there, but close enough to see the process and what is really happening).

    Short version- All three candidates were losers and ego driven. The Dem is a typical Democrat big spender and demagogued the "mediscare" and "push grandma off the cliff" meme. The Republican was a rich "entitled" party hack with no special merits. The self-styled "Tea Party" candidate was a super rich liberal who had name recognition from running three time previously as a Democrat and spent millions attacking the Republican. This was not an "issues" race, but a contest to decide which was the least odious of the ego driven candidates.

    The real losers were the residents of NY 26.

  • MormonDem Provo, UT
    May 31, 2011 9:00 p.m.

    Jeff Thredgold acts as if it's the Democrats' fault that the Republicans have terrible ideas that Americans don't want. If the Republicans keep pushing policies that Americans don't want, can you really blame the Democrats for standing by and letting the GOP self-destruct.

    Thredgold acts as if this political strategy is the same thing as their policy proposals. Nothing could be further from the truth. Sure, GOP extremism will do nothing but help the Democrats in 2012, but that does not negate what the Democrats have accomplished: healthcare reform (like it or not), financial market reform (like it or not), prudent measures within a complicated chessboard in the Middle East (like it or not), getting Osama (like it, or there's something wrong with you), and a slowly but steadily improving economy (which some Republicans seem to actually not like, because then they'd have to admit to the efficacy of the stimulus).

    In short, Mr. Thredgold mistakenly equates the GOP greasing the Democrats' electoral skids with the Democrats doing nothing--and that's simply not true.

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    May 31, 2011 8:56 p.m.

    In other words, the Democrats won by defeating a disastrous plan. Seems like a good strategy.

  • ego Laie, HI
    May 31, 2011 7:58 p.m.

    Indeed, the "liberals" have been leading with a reform of healthcare. In doing so the lengthened the fiscal life of other programs like Medicare. The CBO and all serious analysis of obamacare suggest that it will save the country tons of money. . . however, this does not support the philosophical principles of conservatism and thus all of the analysis is rejected and ignored. Again, more of the hyperbolic false dichotomies.

    If things are going to get better in Washington and on main street we have got to stop the building of ideological forts and start solving the problems together. Lets start with responsible dialog in the public square

  • ego Laie, HI
    May 31, 2011 7:58 p.m.

    Interesting article....the idea that the TEA party candidate took away conservative votes from the republican candidate appears to be a conservative attempt to feel better about a political tactic stealing the election rather than a referendum on the policy of the conservatives. It is important to note that the little research that has been done on the TEA party votes has suggested that the majority of those votes were cast by more liberally minded voters.

    Indeed the two party system does make things difficult to get through...both parties tend to vilify the other and suggest that their policy is better. For instance "A little presidential leadership would be nice" suggests that the president in a lazy oaf. I think it fair to say that the president is leading....perhaps in directions that the conservative side of the isle disagrees with. Isn't this to be expected. To suggest that he is not leading is more of the hyperbolic problem.

  • Brian Wasilla, AK
    May 31, 2011 7:10 p.m.

    Never underestimate the Republicans ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    May 31, 2011 5:16 p.m.

    Jeff Thredgold for President sounds pretty good to me.