'Breach barriers of hate,' Pres. Dieter F. Uchtdorf tells L.A. council

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  • Bill in Nebraska Maryville, MO
    June 1, 2011 12:11 p.m.

    To Wastintime: I may agree that the millions of pounds could be an exaggeration. However, the point I think was trying to be made is that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints sent thousands of pounds to the South Asia countries after the tsumani hit there. Again thousands were sent to Louisiana, Kentucky and many other areas of the United States were hit by hurricanes, ice storms, tornadoes and other natural disasters. Thousands more were sent to Australia, Chile and other South/Central American countries, Japan and many others. Also mentioned by others is the Perpetual Education Fund established to assist many who otherwise could never afford a college/trade education. They then payback the amount given if they are able.

    You take the fast offerings given on what is generally the first Sunday of every month for those who are in need for it. Don't forget the many voluteer actions by members around the world and you will see that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints gives more than what many think it does.

    A quote: "I would like to thank two churches, the Mormons and the LDS Church for assistance."

  • Vanka Provo, UT
    May 30, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    Why would a non-religious, political group invite a religious leader to speak to them at all? What do religious leaders have to say that is at all relevant to political issues? Religion needs to learn its place and stay there. Concern yourselves with the spirits of men, and your promises of rewards in heaven, not with their physical existence and the political and social issues these involve.

    Mormons "...believe that religion is instituted of God; and that men are amenable to him, and to him only, for the exercise of it, unless their religious opinions prompt them to infringe upon the rights and liberties of others;"

    Stop using your religious opinions to infringe on the rights and liberties of others!

  • Wastintime Los Angeles, CA
    May 30, 2011 2:28 a.m.

    @Sarah Nichole
    I'd like your source for that 'hundreds of millions of pounds' number you used please.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 29, 2011 9:07 p.m.

    Re: RanchHand | 7:54 p.m. May 28, 2011

    Pres. Dieter F. Uchtdorf isn't telling us to drop our standards or our beliefs in morality. Proof of my statement is the support the LDS Church provided in support o California's Prop 8 ..... which passed.

    It was only later that we learned that the California judge who ruled Prop 8 was unconstitutional had a personal interest in the outcome. We call that a conflict of interest .... and the judge should have disqualified himself from hearing the case.

  • moniker lewinsky Taylorsville, UT
    May 29, 2011 2:18 p.m.

    I disagree that ethics are irrelevant without a higher authority. And whose interpretation of higher authority, by the way? There are many, you know. And the variety has done little to bring world peace. In my opinion, 95% of the world's problems would be solved if people would follow the golden rule and resolve to "first do no harm". True, there are sometimes issues that often get sketchy and have no real good solution, but this is the case when we have a religioius leaders dictating rules as well.
    I think that Hinckley was one of the better prophets as of late. He did a lot of good things and he was good for PR, but he did say in 1996 at a large gathering "There are no atheists in foxholes". This is my point. That even those who try the hardest to unite people and work for a better understanding (like Hinckley) still have no qualms about disparaging and dismissing atheists.
    I am an atheist because I have seen no proof or irrefutable evidence. This is my "sin". What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. (Christopher Hitchens)

  • AmPatriot Kearns, UT
    May 29, 2011 6:04 a.m.

    Religious leaders are socialist, especially in Mormonism. Its the foundation of their religion and beliefs and the United States is not a socialist republic. Socialism in religion is for the church buildings and pews not our government leaders.

    What this article is saying is to keep turning your other cheek for a slapping, but I have run out cheeks for socialism to slap. If religious leaders want to proselytize and preach they should do it in their wards, not through the news media and trying to establish government policy. That is why this country has a separation of church and state, to keep religion from preaching to and controlling government.

  • cris Hamilton, IL
    May 29, 2011 6:04 a.m.

    Wastintime, You would not believe the amount of money and resources the church has sent to many countries to relieve suffering.

  • Sarah Nichole West Jordan, UT
    May 29, 2011 4:07 a.m.

    Re: Wastintime

    "Question: How much does the Church do to "relieve suffering" around the world?"

    They give hundreds of millions of pounds of medical and emergency supplies and food to people in need all around the world each year, in addition to money. They have people on the ground, directing the distribution of the supplies, and they offer church houses as shelter and rally points during natural disasters. They work to beautify cities and neighborhoods, including Salt Lake City - which just brought in hundreds of jobs to the area during a struggling ecomony. There's the Perpetual Education Fund, which gives those who can't afford higher education in developing areas the chance to do so. Members give fast offering donations and community service all over the world. And that's not even considering the spiritual aid the Church gives when it introduces the Gospel to a person or family.

  • flynn is the coolest Salt Lake City, UT
    May 28, 2011 11:12 p.m.

    @My2Cents- count me as a socialist- as I believe Pres. Uchdorf (and every other LDS GA) encourage us to give liberally to those in need- despite nationality. "If ye have done (not done" it unto the least of these my brethren, ye have done (not done) it unto me." Matt 25. I'm also pretty sure "Thou shalt not cross the border" was also not one of the 10 commandments.

    @moniker- Gordon B. Hinkley was famous for encouraging those not the LDS faith to bring what good they had, and see it can be added to. It's fantastic that you and many atheists I associate with are good human beings who care for their fellow men/women. However, the tenets that you, I, and society live by are completely relative without a higher authority making these codes absolute. Societal agreements that state murdering, thieving, or crossing the border are wrong, do not technically make them wrong. Thus, 'ethics' as we know them, are completely irrelevant without a mandate from a higher authority.

  • Wastintime Los Angeles, CA
    May 28, 2011 11:11 p.m.

    "The more our hearts are inclined to God, the more we desire to relieve suffering and help others become self-reliant."

    Question: How much does the Church do to "relieve suffering" around the world?

  • Idaho Coug Meridian, Idaho
    May 28, 2011 10:51 p.m.

    To Truth - actually I am a registered Independent and am not at all far left. I don't think the church fits with either the far right or left. The interesting thing about far right members of the church is that most don't realize how little the far right actually thinks of them. At least members who lean a little left recognize how little their fellow members like you think of them.

  • moniker lewinsky Taylorsville, UT
    May 28, 2011 9:49 p.m.

    I agree with Uchtdorf that it's important to "put away old hatred, divisions, and traditions that constrict and confine people into a blind succession of destructive behavior toward others". Truer words couldn't be spoken. But I am also saddened that moments later, he added "The more our hearts are inclined to God, the more we desire to relieve suffering ..." He also tied in belief in deity with living a "charitable and honorable" life.
    I'm afraid that just doesn't leave much room for atheists who are, in fact, every bit as capable of living honorable and moral lives. Atheists are so often judged harshly and then dismissed as being potential contributers to a better world. Don't those who preach religious tolerance see that their exclusion of atheists is, in fact, intolerant; something that derives from "old hatred, divisions, and traditions"?
    I'm anxiously awaiting the day that people like Uchtdorf will stop seeing me as something that needs to be "fixed".
    If you want me to believe in deity, give me proof. Seriously, that's all I ask. In the mean time, some ideas everyone can take to heart would be great.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    May 28, 2011 7:54 p.m.

    "It takes courage and humility to put away old hatred, divisions and TRADITIONS that constrict and confine people into a blind succession of destructive behavior toward others,"


    Amen. Now lets apply that to the same sex marriage issue.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    May 28, 2011 7:16 p.m.

    Those for legal and against illegal immigration are much more global and outreaching in their thinking as they are demonstrating a desire for fairnes regardless of nationality or race. Illegal immigration and its supporters take on a racist stance because giving illegals legal status would unfairly benefit one race and one nationality. In essence the pro illegal crowd seek to hold up hispanics as a special class of people over other races and nationalities who are far more in need of our compassion and charity.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    May 28, 2011 6:25 p.m.

    RE: Idaho Coug

    It fits just fine with the far right agenda.

    The Right is not against moderation, compassion, nor outreaching globally.

    But yours seems a message of hate for certain segments of the population that donot conform to your far left political views.

    The church is not political, but takes moral and doctrinal stands, you either follow the gospel or you do not.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    May 28, 2011 5:54 p.m.

    Pres. Uchtdorf,

    Is so..so..."Liberal".

    God Bless him!

  • Idaho Coug Meridian, Idaho
    May 28, 2011 5:14 p.m.

    It is interesting how the church leadership (SLC leadership) has a much more moderate, compassionate, outreaching, global tone than many of the members. I do not think the church's message fits with the far right agenda.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    May 28, 2011 4:56 p.m.

    If I understand 3 Nephi 9:20 -----anybody in the world (of any religion) can have the Holy Ghost with them; the requirement is a broken heart and meek spirit.

  • E. Matscheko St. George, UT
    May 28, 2011 3:44 p.m.

    Like so many times before, our Churches leadership has made me proud, again.

  • dave Park City, UT
    May 28, 2011 3:34 p.m.

    My2Cents | 3:36 a.m. May 28, 2011
    Kearns, UT
    "To counter this socialist speaking and using the news media to promote socialism we must stand our ground even if it means violence and tragedy to defend our country from socialist. You keep your enemy's close, you don't love them."

    Jesus said:
    "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"
    (Matthew 5.43-45 ESV)

    How do you square that with your comment?

  • runwasatch Ogden, UT
    May 28, 2011 2:54 p.m.

    Love for an individual does not mean acceptance of immoral behavior.

    Thankfully, the church and Elder Utchtdorg understand that.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    May 28, 2011 2:33 p.m.

    Gut gesprochen, which translated means well spoken. Hate is of the Devil. Pure love is of God. Pure love does not deny the principles Christ preached and lived. That is what we need more in our lives. Examples of this pure love. Those who would comment that many of our wars have been started over religion must remember that those people claiming they were doing it for religion simply did not understand what the Love of Christ means and were doing their own thing without the approval of the spirit.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    May 28, 2011 12:41 p.m.

    RE: NeilT | 10:22 a.

    I don't know if Pres. Uctdorf is a socialist, he may have grown up in socialist country and had no choice in th matter, but that does not mean he supports socialism or is a socialist.

    In fact I can not find anything that suggests he does.

    The church is all abouit invidual choice, indivudual liberty, and has always been so, even in Book of Mormon, times, does Moroni ring any bells,

    the church has always been against big government which socialism is all about, forcing the individual to the will of big government run by elites who want run everyone life and business,

    The chuch is all about individual liberty, individual organizations, doiing good by their own choice,thier own volition, hence all the good things the churuch does as mention by Pres. Uctdorf, education, humatarian efforts, welfare, teaching people to be good and motal people, good citizens, to do good,

    not socialstic government compelled good.

    As Pres. Uctdorf has shown the churc, and the gospel his all about loving each other, bringing people together in righeousness, and accomplishing much good, by thier own choice and volition.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    May 28, 2011 12:28 p.m.

    I have had comments "denied".

    I have never advocated "...violence and tragedy..." as a means to indicate I was "standing my ground".

    Identifying a member of the 1st Presidency as "socialist" and as an "enemy"?

    As Donald Rumsfeld used to say, "Goodness Gracious".

  • l.cee Ridgefield, WA
    May 28, 2011 12:23 p.m.


    You speak of standing by decency and family in your message. But yet you negate your message when you also say "we must stand our ground even if it means violence and tragedy to defend our country from socialist." Which is it--decency or violence?

    Work on the decency--your family will be blessed by that!

  • milojthatch Sandy, UT
    May 28, 2011 12:17 p.m.

    I support Pres. Uchdtorf and his message here. We need to take it to heart. I know it is the same message Pres. Monson or Pres. Eyring would give. The First President is a united front, defiantly when it comes to the public face and messages such as this one. Change your heart, get rid of hate, and be happy. :D

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    May 28, 2011 10:22 a.m.

    I knew it. Someone had to make this about socialism. If Pres Uchdtorf is a socialist then count me as one of his strongest supporters. Sorry MY 2 Cents. Your post borders on the ridiculous. And I am trying to be civil about it. One last thought I think Pres Uchdorf does support faith, family, deceny and all the other things you mentioned. Are you implying a counselor in the first Presidency does not. How absurd.

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    May 28, 2011 10:09 a.m.

    Excellent comments. Should be well received by a christian nation.

  • Spikey Layton, UT
    May 28, 2011 10:08 a.m.


    It says that you typed that at 3:36 in the morning. I have NO clue where that came from, or what it has to do with anything Pres. Uchtdorf said. Did you not only read the message, but take it into your heart?

    The only way these changes can be made is through the individual changes in the heart of man. That means me. That means YOU. Stop worrying about the government that you can't control. Change your heart, and work to change the hearts of others...maybe eventually a heart or two in our government will change. Peace.

  • sg newhall, CA
    May 28, 2011 9:04 a.m.

    Love they neighbor. Okay. Become one in faith and beliefs. Okay. However, this speech rings more about accepting illegals in our country and to turn the other cheek. Not okay. First and foremost, we must protect this country from those who deem it their duty and right to infiltrate our country illegally and then demand every inalienable right afforded to each lawful citizen as if they are entitled. Again, not okay. Bringing people unto Christ can be done just as effectively in the countries where illegals come from. Nice argument. But to continue to allow our country to be infiltrated and invaded by illegals who bring nothing to this country, no money, no national respect, non-English speaking skills continues to cripple this country. The anger by those of us who are legally here is understandable and frankly justified. Do it the right way in coming to this country or face the consequences. No church, no government has the right to ignore the laws of the land and personally I feel that this is the case. We can love the illegals from a distance; their own lands. But when you sneak into our country and make demands? Wrong again.

  • tom_e Kaysville, UT
    May 28, 2011 9:01 a.m.

    Last night on BBC I heard someone talk about how the people in the world should avoid country boundries and also effectively different laws for different countries. I wonder about groups like the one where Pres. Uchtdorf spoke. What is their purpose? Is it global economics, politics etc. If so I think the church should avoid politics.

  • peter Alpine, UT
    May 28, 2011 7:51 a.m.

    Now this is a good road map to building peaceful communities not just across America, but one day across the whole world. The world is not ready to follow such a map, but is America? I feel that the people are being prepared to follow such a course, but the political groups and parties lack this vision and direction. And, neither politics or religion will ever accomplish such a unity among the people. It will take a sound belief in correct principles to bridge the barriers of intolerance, greed, jealousy and hatred.

  • Diligent Dave Logan, UT
    May 28, 2011 6:13 a.m.

    Wow! What a great message. Now, if only a significant number of people would accept President Uchtdorf's invitation, that would start the ball rolling in the right direction!

    I am hopeful that such might actually occur. The pessimist in me is fearful that it may not. But, perhaps, the Spirit of God may rest on enough so that, beyond and besides my and others' fears, it may yet happen!

  • My2Cents Kearns, UT
    May 28, 2011 3:36 a.m.

    To counter this socialist speaking and using the news media to promote socialism we must stand our ground even if it means violence and tragedy to defend our country from socialist. You keep your enemy's close, you don't love them.

    Also very important is for every one to stand by their principles of decency, honesty, truth, god, country, and family. Many of these principles are considered hate principles because they offend those with no principles. Hate many times is associated with American principles of life, liberty, justice, and the American way of life.

    Defending our borders is a hate crime according to illegal aliens and foreign nationals occupying this country and sanctioned in Utah. Trying to force illegal aliens back to Mexico by deproting is considered a hate crime by illegal aliens and advocates and the Deseret News.

    If there is truly anything to hate is our governments neglect and criminal actions against americans wanting to preserve their country, their rights, their american way of life that is not always better living conditions or prosperity.

  • So Cal Living Stevenson Ranch, CA
    May 28, 2011 1:49 a.m.

    We were there last night at the event. It was very well attended and the remarks were very well received.