i for one is in favor of trading the picks...for next year's draft where in the
players we need are there...Perry Jones...Harrison Barnes....i wouldnt mind
taking a risk on Jeremy Tyler this year....
@kosimovonly one player that was drafted before Jordan that didnt
have a lengthy career...and that was sam bowie...he was injury prone...Hakeem
Olajuwon was drafted number 1 that year...the team who got the steal of the
draft during that time...was chicago...but Utah should have the runner up...with
John Stockton...the best point guard there is...
eastcoastcougDo you really think the Jazz would draft someone so
that they could keep another Mormon in Utah? Jimmer is from the eastern US
anyway, so he would enjoy playing home games in the East, methinks.I
believe I understand what you mean, though, and I would agree if it was really
an issue. Once upon a time that kind of thing would go through Utah people's
minds because of the call to gather to Utah in the late 1800s, but today, I
don't think it is thought of most of the time. Agree?
I played basketball way back in the Middle Ages, but I cant figure out some of
the reasoning here. It is fun, though!How high a player is drafted
doesn't necessarily predict how he will perform in the NBA. Michael Jordan was
drafted behind guys who didnt even make it in the NBA. There was a Gonzaga
guard who was a bit obscure -- the Jazz fans booed when he was drafted! Now he
has a statue in front of the arena. Draft ranking only determines starting
salary, usually.Does a player go high in the draft because he
"peaked" in college and thus looks great? Or is he just getting
started (like Stockton), possessing the raw material and drive to grow and
excel? Jimmer, for example, stumbled at the end of the Florida game, but that
bothers people too much. He can become a fantastic NBA player if he wants to,
and I think he does. Not everyone will sacrifice their personal life for an NBA
career, as difficult as that is for us wannabe fans to understand. He could
turn out that way, though he probably wont. He is motivated!
BillM75: Exactly what was so impressive about Leonard at the camp, he didn't
even have the guts to do the basketball skills part, all he did was the
athleticism drills and measurements. If that is what you are going to go on the
best player in camp was Jeremy Tyler so he should be the first pick in the
When is comes to measureables, I have always understood that for a guard
wingspan is more important, helps with D etc. and for a front court player,
reach is more important, helps with rebounding, shot blocking etc. it's probably
nit picking, but if people want to make a deal out of wingspan or reach those
two things should be considered, do they play as a guard or front court player?
Hearing Kanter didn't dog Jazz, just resceduled, June 2nd all day, workout and
interview.I would be happy with either Kanter or Williams, Williams would
probably be the best fit for us but a big with Kanter's skills and abilities is
hard to pass up.Not that high on Knight.
Shaybo, you are aware how bad this draft is, right? The traditional slot values
are meaningless. Just pick guys who can come right in and contribute something.
And yes, Jimmer is "officialy 6' 2.5"...wearing shoes
with soles that are a quarter inch thicker than what all the other players are
wearing. He's 6' 0.5" in bare feet, a runt, tho obv he's thick and strong.
He also has shorter arms than other PGs his height from past years.The only other player wearing 1.75" thick soles? Brandon "Paper
Clip" Knight. Let's try for a PG next year, KOC. Leonard's
shoes had only 1" soles. 1.5" shorter than Hayward but his wingspan
is almost 6" greater, and his hands look twice as big. No way he'll last
to 7 or 8 in this draft with as impressive as he looked in Vegas.Jimmer can light it up indeed. So can Hayward, so giving him CJ's minutes and
having him shoot as many 3's as CJ does should solve that problem.Singleton is widely considered the best defensive player in the draft, and
somebody gotta replace AK.
Trade the picks for needed position veteran players, plus pick up on some
excellent free agents unrestricted.Chris Wicox Det 6'10 ' 250 lbsJonas Jerebko Det 6'10" 240lbs both banging defendersAl Thornton
GS 6'7" 2or3 shooter, defenderMarcus Thornton Sac 6'4" 2
shooter, defenderShannon Brown LAL 6'3" shooter, flyer, defender with
Player optionTake the need @ #3, trade the 12 pk for next years lottery or
package with C.J.,Bell or Okur(if tradeable).Release A.K. Price, Watson, and
Elson. Invite Kyle Weaver to camp with Cousins and other development league and
Why would anyone in their right mind use a #3 pick on Leonard. They could
probably trade that pick down to 7 or 8 and still get him. I like Singleton but
the Jazz have to get at least one player who can light it up from outside.
Jimmer officially 6'2 and 1/2 by the way, one of the bigger and stronger point
guards in the draft.
Kanter refused to meet with the Jazz, so that's done. No Seikaly Jr's please;
in fact, no Euros ever, please. Brandon Knight is a toothpick, and LOL at UK
listing him at 6'4".Kawhi Leonard, 6'6" W/O shoes,
7'3" wingspan, loves to play defense, hardest working guy in the Vegas
pre-combine gym.As for Jimmer the midget, LOL. Chris Singleton at
12 along with Leonard at 3 are a pair of nice building blocks, glue guys. Don't
try to hit homers out of the Grand Canyon. A couple solid line drive singles is
fine in this barren draft; maybe leg one out into a double.
Kanter hasn't played ball in over a year. That's a huge risk drafting at number
3. Besides, that would be a slap in the face to Derrick Favors. We don't need
bigs. Knight at 3 if Williams is gone and Leonard or Singleton at 12.
Pappa Smurf UTE: I can see why your a ute fan. Kanter isn't anything like
Milicic, Kanter is very skilled and tough. Milicic was tall/long and athletic
but didn't have skills. Kanter has all the skills and talent to be very good.Today watching the combine they said Knights coach said he doesn't go well to
his left and he's not a high flyer like Rose or Wall and he doesn't finish well
at the rim, he's a jump shot shooter. He may have potential but he's not a
finished product by any means.
I think the guys that sat out the combine (or most of it) might end up
regretting it, especially if Jimmer or some others there do so well that it puts
questions in the minds of the teams whether the sitters are all that.
So they might take Enes Kanter with the 3rd pick. There are so many questions
about him.All I can remember is. . . "And with the next pick,
the next pick the Utah Jazz draft. . . DANNY SHAYES!" I was in the Salt
Palace, I heard the thrunderous boos.Take the best player at 3. B
ut with 12, if he's still there, you'd be crazy not to take Jimmer.
Go ahead and draft Jimmer at #12. The Jazz have wasted drafts before. Just don't
mess up with number 3. Trade some of the junk - have a yard sale and see what
you can get with guys that sit on the bench a collect a paycheck.We have a
lot of talent already, we haven't had a true center that can dominate the paint
and make teams play a man to man instead of the zones which kills the Jazz year
after year.One man's oppipinion.
The NBA ain't the NCAA...at best, Jimmer will be an average 2nd team player,
with minimal minutes to give the starter a blow.
I stand corrected on Kanter's size, but that just means he won't be there at 3.
If anything, he might go #1 now, and no way Clev trades him for just the 3 &
12 and some of our dross n' dreck. Shame about the fact he's barely played the
last two years, and is scared to workout against other players. He's the
Turkish Arajuo.Let's take Leonard at 3 and wave bye-bye to CJ. We
can get a PG next year in a much deeper draft. Although Knight at 3 &
Singleton at 12 isn't horrible either. We have to get better on the perimeter,
Veritas,The thousands of Y fans that camped out. Not all are Jazz
fans, or Jimmer fans for that matter. No one will miss a great show. He wont
come into the league & put on a show like Lebron or Carmello did, so there
will be NO SHOW as you call it. Maybe down the road he will develop into a good
NBA player, but as it sits right now, Jimmer is just another slow white guy
who's a gym rat, who can shoot the ball. If his shot is off, or he is defended
by a bigger player, there would be no use for him on the court, & the team
he plays for would suffer. It's not like he would help pick up the slack on D if
he was not shooting the ball well.As for Kanter, the Jazz better not
draft him as well. He is another Darko Milicic. The Pistons are still kicking
themselves in the butt over that pick, & not taking Carmello. The Jazz need
to either move up and draft Williams, trade the 3rd pick & players for an
experienced center, or just draft Knight at 3, & hope for the best.
I'm watching a replay of the combine as I type this. Kanter just officially
measured in at a hair under 6'11" and 260 lbs. That makes him 2 inches
taller and 4 lbs. heavier than Karl Malone. Big enough to bang down low? Bashing on Kanter's size now officially discredits any poster's
knowledge of the man. He's big and talented. I still think the
Jazz might go Brandon Knight.
Winglish: I agree, I just watched Kanter at the combine, he looks bigger than I
remember seeing him in his videos. If his knees prove healthy, I like taking
him, I will be OK with taking Knight but I think Kanter has a lot of talent to
pass up and he's tough, a good rebounder and has great skills.
Bill @ 7:28- The European league already held an evaluation day. Kanter
officially measured in at 6'10.5" with a 7'1" wingspan. He's just a
little bigger than Karl Malone. Kanter turns 19 tomorrow. Like every youngster
that age, he'll fill out in the next few years. He's already pretty cut. I'd
say Kanter is plenty big enough to be a 4/5 combo player in the NBA.
Next years Warriors pick, in what will be a deep draft, will be as valuable as
this year's 12.
Let's see,> You can't teach height (important in basketball, but
only for the 2-5 spots), but you can teach defense (maybe--some people just
don't have it in them);> You can't teach brains (you have to be
born with'em), but you can teach basketball fundamentals (some might need
repetition more than others);> You can't teach "touch"
(required for shooting basketballs), but you can teach people to shoot (maybe
not really well--inherent touch is necessary);> you can't teach
heart (you either got "it" or you don't), but you can teach hustle
(but only if the guy's not inherently lazy);> you can't teach
trolls to see clearly, but you can teach'em to hate you.So, draft
Jimmer!1. He has enough height for a PG.2. He's basketball
smart, as well as otherwise smart.3. He has incredible touch, both around
the rim, with mid-range, and with long-range shots.4. He has heart in
spades!Again, DRAFT JIMMER!
@HedghogYeah I can make fun of your name too!You just
can't stand the fact that Jimmer beat your mighty uTe's what 7 of 8 times? The
kid can shoot, who cares if he lacks defense ability, most nba'ers can or won't
play defense anyways. The kid has the ability to hit from the NBA line now and
free college players come in with the deep 3 threat like JIMMER can. Not saying
he's worth a 3 pick, but certainly a 12 pick. I'd trade down to 7 or 8 pick the
kid from the Congo and maybe pickup G.S's 8 or 9 pick next year.You
can teach defense, you either can make a 25 footer or you can't....Jimmer can
I don't have a problem with Knight at 3, he has alot of potential, he's only 18,
he's smart, he could even grow some more. He's already a pretty good
shooter/scorer and being smart he should be able to ajust to become a good/smart
point guard. It would be nice if he grew an inch or more. If the Jazz do take
Knight, then at the 12 spot they need to look at Bismack Biyombo(if he's
available) or Singleton, or T Harris. I'm not sold on Burk, he's another CJ and
not what we need. Singleton is a 6'9 3 man, very athletic, very good defensive
player, ok shooter, Harris has good all around skills, is very young, fills need
at 3.I really like Kanters skills but if he has bad knees, he's not worth
the risk.If the Jazz did take Kanter, it would be because they have
checked him out and feel his knees aren't a problem.
I think KOC will trade these picks or package a or some current players to get a
@byronbcaBoozer was a good pickup but he couldnt keep him. Okur didnt even
play at Detroit not really stealing him away. The Jazz have always
been consistent but that doesnt win championships. If youre fine with making
the first and second round every year yippee! But, realistically, you need a GM
to not play tentatively so he doesnt get fired to win it all. I would rather win
a couple championships and then struggle for a couple years rather than win
40-plus and a first round exit but maybe Im alone on that one. @redcliffsIm a Bulls fan so I follow them more closely. But other than
that, I appreciate your comment and you actually have some good feed back.
Why would we take Derrick Williams when he's the same size as Millsap, only with
less hustle on D, less work ethic, and less experience playing small forward?
Local AZ papers are among his biggest critics.Kanter is nowhere
close to 6'11" 272, more like 6'9" 255, and he hasn't played a game in
over a year and is refusing to work out against other players. Yippee, plus
national sites are saying he likely won't be there at 3.I'm excited
too but let's settle down and not grade inflate this draft. Favors &
Hayward will have far better soph years than any of these guys have rookie
@byronbcaI never once said that I solely base my opinion on KOC on just
his ability to bust in the draft I commented on that specific part of his job
because thats what the article is about. Im fully aware that GMs do other things
than watch the Draft Lottery on ESPN, make a few picks and then take the season
off to go golfing. Players are assets, absolutely so use them. The
grass isnt always greener on the otherside. Why not wait to develop these
players. KOC is the type of guy that buys a new Mercedes but then watches the
Audi commercial make fun of it and gets himself a brand new A4. Hes too quick to
pull the trigger. Also, saying that the city of Portland isnt waving
Jazz No. 1 foam fingers because of KOC is completely assinine. The Blazers and
Jazz dont get along because theyre in the same division. continued...
Based on what I heard out of Kevin O'Connor this afternoon I'd guess the Jazz
will draft Brandon Knight. KOC was talking about how the Jazz traded Deron
Williams for Favors, Harris and two other future players so the player they
draft cannot be seen as the guy the Jazz traded Deron Williams for. Doesn't that sound like he's wanting to go point guard in the draft? Worrying
about fans comparing the pick to Deron?
Kanter in mock drafts does not drop to number 3. If he doesn't, then there
should be a monstrous trade. The Jazz have lots of "dead wood". They
also have a lottery choice for next year that could be put into a big package.
Yup, Mike W, you wouldn't want a player like Barea on your team, would you? Good
thing you're not the Mav's owner (for them).P.S. Statistics
generally lie. Like Jimmer having his shooting percentage drop because of a
season's toll on him--you know, celebrity pressures and time away from school
and basketball, getting physically worn out playing so many minutes, losing
scoring teammates so he'd have to score more, etc.You can spin it
any way you want, and most people do. Mindsets are hard to change--it means you
don't like yourself if you do. Hard to not like one's self.
drum&feather,Show me a GM that has been successful in the draft
every year and I'll believe what you say. Otherwise, woof!KOC's been
what if the Jazz traded up for number 2...packaged with the 12th pick and next
year's protected pick from golden state plus CJ Miles and/or Devin
Harris....this might give us Derrick Williams and Brandon Knight...or If
Cleveland passed on Irving...we could have Derrick Williams and Irving...wishful
thinking...but i hope it works...Al JeffFavorsWilliamsHaywardKnight...since it is a weak
class...teams would probably trade away their picks...why not take advantage of
that...if management feels that the players of this class aint that bad...
Nuts, this 3rd pick isn't much greater than the 6th pick. Outside of Williams
and Irving, this draft doesn't have many stars. Enes hasn't played enough to be
a 3rd pick IMO. Don't ever get Valusquiz. Vesley...maybe...I wish
KOC could pull something off with Minnesota and get D-Will. Imagine
D-Will, Hayward, Favors in one lineup. To me, that is the sickest lineup that
could ever happen.Jazz should try to get Leonard as well....
Once again please for the love if you know anything about basketball you know
the jimmer will tear this league up. ute fan quit balling about the jimmer he
cant rip your beloved utes apart anymore. take the glasses off and look at him
as a player. I promise Bass, hedgie , chris B and the rest of the
ute haters never played the game but feel they are the Mel Kipper of basketball.
quit please!When Jimmer is tearing it up with the Jazz or another
team I can't wait to her the whinning from most. ute fans still won't admit when
they are wrong.
How bout trading AJ, picks 3 & 12 to the bucks for A. Bogat & their 10th
pick? Or AJ, #'s 3 & 12 to the cavs for Baron Davis, Semi Erdan & the #1
I hope we bring back CJ miles and AK. I also hope Williams falls to us with the
third pick, if that happens, we won't need AK. I think the smartest bet is
Knight, not Kanter with the third pick and Leanord/Burks/Jimmer with the 12th
pick. Please, don't draft Kanter, we can find a big man in next
years draft. We have AJ, DF, PM, Memo and we should bring back Fesenko. Our back court has to be our first priority if we want to compete next
year.The Jazz need to draft two guards to help us forget the loss of
Deron Williams and Wes Mathews. I think that we have a chance to replace those
players with guys from this draft class.Using both first round picks
on retooling our back court makes the most sense. Bring back CJ and
AK on one year deals, or swing a deal for a young veteran wing. Lets
get back to our dominating ways! GO JAZZ!
We already know how big man projects and the Jazz always go. We dont need Dufus
Festertag. Use that pick to et the best player available. This is why O'Conner
continues to fail.
@drum&feather,I'm sure the Jazz would be the first to confess
mistakes are made with drafting and moving players. If you were watching any
other NBA team as closely as the Jazz you will see the same thing happens with
them. Remember one thing though about Jazz draft picks. The Jazz are usually
picking late in the 1st round where many players end up being busts. The Jazz
have not had the chance to draft many lottery picks like this year. Also, it is
a business after all and you don't know what kinds of business decisions have to
be made to keep this team solvent. So you have spent a lot of time and research
in your posts which I appreciate, but you're not writing the whole story.
Overall, I applaud KOC and the Jazz for the job they do !
Re drum&feather:Do you really believe that the best way to judge a
GM's success is by how many players he chose in the draft are still on the
team?GMs do more than just draft players. Players are
assets and KOC has a strong history of getting good returns on the players he
ships out. He ended up getting AJ for Koufos, Brewer (essentially) and a crappy
top 16 protected 1st round pick. He stole Boozer and Okur from Cleavland and
Detroit. If you've ever wondered why Portland hates us it's because KOC somehow
convinced them to trade away the rights to draft CP3 or Dwill to us for Martell
Webster. But let's be honest the only argument I need to prove that
KOC is a great GM is the fact that in 11 years and one major rebuilding stage
the Jazz have only had two loosing records. Name one GM that rebuilt a team
faster than the Jazz did after their superstars retired? And without ever
winning the lottery. You should be more concerned with what KOC has
done with lottery picks recently than mid 20 picks 10 years ago.
Could the BYU and Utah fans please go away. This site is about the NBA. I
can't read anymore of your crazy comments based on childish rubbish. Jimmer is going in the top 15 in a weak draft. He may turn into an allstar or
he may turn into a flop. When the season is over, we can have that talk. If
you want to watch Jimmer he doesn't have to play for the Jazz. This is the year
2011 and there is satallite TV. Just saying.........
BYU Trolls, Don't be shocked when Jimmer come in with a 36 inch vert and sprints
as fast as DWill and Price.
There is a lot of biased Ute nonsense on Jimmer. Since expectations about his D
are low he will shoot up the boards on his combine stats IF1. His
vert is 36 inches. Tyreke Evans had a 34 inch vert at the combine.2.
His sprint is 3.3 or better. Brandon Roy was 3.27. Steph Curry was 3.28. DWill
was 3.25. Price was 3.29. They are all SLOW compared to Rose at 3.05. Further, wait for his work outs. That will tell if he can stay in front of his
man. BYU's defensive scheme is not something that should be the basis of
deciding IF Jimmer can play in the NBA. After a couple of workouts
the Jazz will know quickly if Jimmer is someone they want. He may or may not fit
the Jazz.If the Jazz go big with the 3 they will trade Millsap or AJ
during the next 2 years. If the Jazz go Knight (I do not see Kemba. He is a
short version of Harris) they will trade Harris. If they go big at 3
there is a good probablity they take Jimmer at 12.
Great college players do not always make it big in the NBA. Shawn Bradley was
one of the most overrated flops in its history. I know there is a local
obsession with Jimmer, but to draft him would be only if O'Connor is mostly
concerned with attendance to games and television viewers. Though the jury is
still out on Hayward, so far it seems we could have made a better high draft
pick. Jimmer is too small for a shooting guard in the NBA and point guards are
generally the one's whose primary purpose is to run the offense and distribute
the ball, not outshoot the rest of the team. He was guick for the college game,
but in the NBA he would be at best, average. He already has been assessed as not
being a top ten pick.
Jimmer's stock is on a downward spiral!!!
Would love to see the Jazz draft Williams, Knight, Burks and maybe Leonard. I
think Kanter is a huge gamble if he has bad knees, but hopefully the Jazz will
be able to determine that when he comes for a workout. And to use a #3 pick on
an unproven (no college) player is a huge risk, so if Kanter isn't above avg.
athletically then the Jazz would be better off going with the athletic kid from
I am amazed at how some say that Jimmer had a bad off night against Florida. He
was a one man show scoring 32 points while getting mugged and beaten up with no
calls made. If he had any support from other players (missed FTs and layups)
they would have won in regulation. You can play all 40 minutes only so often.
With his experience playing with TEAM USA last summer and the comments by other
NBA players there, he is still the best PG in the draft.
DWill2 is will be phenomenal, KOC needs to deal CJ and 3rd pick to Minn for 2nd
pick and grab DWill2. Imagine: Harris, Hayward, DWill2, Favors, Jefferson with
Watson, Jimmer, Evans, Milsap and Memo off the bench!! Good stuff!!
"The Jazz biggest weakness right now is at SF and PG. I don't see a future
SF superstar in the draft. So, get one at PG!"Yes, so take
Brandon Knight... "If anything, the Jazz might be forced to
pick him at 3 in order to not miss out on him at 12"Ugh.... the
love fest continues... I'm just glad most (emphasizing MOST) NBA GM's realize
it's a business and don't draft for local-boy-done-good cases.
@byronbca These are the players the Jazz passed up on for these bogus
picks. 2000 - Eddie House, Michael Redd. 2001- Gerald Wallace, Samuel Dalembert,
Jamaal Tinsley, Tony Parker. 2002 Tayshaun Prince, John Salmons. 2003 Dahntay
Jones, Boris Diaw, Carlos Delfino, Kendrick Perikns, Leandro Barbosa, Josh
Howard, James Jones and Kyle Korver. 2004 Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, J.R. Smith,
Jameer Nelson, Delonte West, Tony Allen. 2006 Rajon Rondo, Shannon Brown. 2007
Aaron Brooks, Arron Affalo. 2008 - Serge Ibaka, Nicolas Batum, George Hill,
Darrell Arthur in the first round. Mario Chalmers, DeAndre Jordan, Omer Asik,
Luc Mbah a Moute and Chris Douglas-Roberts. 2009 Darren Collison, Taj Gibson,
Toney Douglas, A.J. Price.Still think KOC knows what hes doing? You
obviously have NO idea what youre talking about because he is the worst GM in
the NBA hands down. If youre fine with a guy whos just good enough to earn a
first or second round playoff appearance then you have your man. If you want the
Jazz to win a championship, like most of us do, you need to get your head out of
2009 Maynor would have been the perfect pick if KOC would have had the patience
to keep him around. He ships these guys off so fast that he cant see them grow.
Can you imagine if he would have stayed? The Jazz backcourt wouldnt look so
gruesomely bad. Goran Suton was a huge bust. (F)2010- Hayward did
look great for the last part of the season when it had already been determined
that the Jazz were eliminated. Its easy to play pressure free its like a pickup
game. I want to see him produce the entire season before jumping on that
bandwagon. Jeremy Evans was a decent pick the second round, however. If he
can develop a offensive game he could be pretty good. (B)Continued...
2007 This could be the worst of the bunch. Morris Almond in the first round? I
dont even have to explain that because youve already agreed on how horrible of a
pick that is. Then, picking up Fesenko in the second round. How has that been
good? Hes a big body to use up fouls. The Jazz traded up 17 spots to grab him
instead of getting Marc Gasol or Aaron Grey both better players, clearly.
(F)2008- Koufos a good pick? Do you just blindly follow your teams
or something? Thats a horrendous pick. Hes already been on three teams and is
just used as a trading block. Hasnt played for all three at all thats including
Minnesota. One of the WORST picks in history. As far as Tomic being a lottery
pick, I doubt that. I want to see if he can be productive in the NBA. Playing
overseas is a lot different. (F)Continued...
2005 - Theres no question that KOC put together a great draft in 2005 however,
his subsequent moves forced that specific draft to fall apart because hes
incapable of maintaining the players he drafts. Notice the trend on how fast
these players are shipped out of Utah? (A but with an asterisk)2006-
This could have been a pretty productive draft class again. Ronnie Brewer has
shown that hes an incredible defensive presence. However, KOC made the MISTAKE
to TRADE him. Thats all him. Its not just a matter of drafting players its also
how you handle things. Its called being a GM. Ask Deron Williams on that one.
Dee Brown was a solid addition before leaving to Europe. PM24 has been amazing,
but isnt a true starter. FANTASTIC sixth man, but worth $32 million? Not a
chance. (B with an asterisk).
2003- This actually could have been a decent draft class with Pavlovic and Mo
Williams. They were both integral pieces in building one of the best teams in
the league in Cleveland. However, KOC was too quick to allow Pavlovic to be
released for the expansion draft the following year for Charlotte to pick up.
Williams, after one season was released by KOC we all know what a solid point
guard hes become in the league. Both picks flame out in one year? Thats a bust.
(F)2004- The only thing Kris Humphries has done well is score Kim
Kardashian as a girlfriend, other than that hes be terrible. He showed signs of
potential this season with the Nets but who wouldnt? Its all they have. Kirk
Snyder was traded after one season, then out of the league by 2008 and then
spent three years in prison for aggravated assault. The other guy have no idea
who he is. (F)Wow, KOC is accumulating a GPA of draft picks worthy
of Jim Belushi in Animal House.Continued...
@byronbcaIf only we could skip the first five years of any other
profession to make to contribute. Anywhere else youll get thrown out on the
streets. Even a blind squirrel can find a nut eventually.2000-
Stevenson in the first round? Hes spent his 10-year career as a backup averaging
3.2 points. At least he can still take pictures of his grill to post on the
internet with his camera phone. I dont even know the other guy so thats an
obvious. (F)2001- Raul Lopez was out of the league by 2005 after
only playing in 113 games with horrible production. Jarren Collins has been
mediocre at best throughout his entire career but with a second round pick is
OK. (C)2002- Originally drafted Ryan Humphrey but traded him for Curtis
Borchardt on draft day. Borchardt played a few seasons with the Jazz 3.1 points
and 3.3 rebounds. Great stats from a 7-footer with the No. 19 pick. Once again,
I dont know the other guy. (F)Continued....
Jazz will not be drafting Jimmer. I can't wait until the draft has come and gone
so these Jimmer articles will fade away.Jazz will take Brandon
Knight at #3 or Derrick Williams at #3 if he is there.If the Jazz
take Knight, they take Burks, a SF, or a Euro.If they take Williams
at #3, they will take Burks, a SF, or a Euro.I just hope Jimmer fans
can handle the day he isn't picked by the Jazz because that day is imminent.
Whoever gets Jimmer is going to have a spectacular player on their team and will
pack the seats in stadiums. When Jimmer becomes a starter, if he doesn't from
the start, people in any area will come to see him. Even teams that play great
defense on him get whooped by him. If the Jazz take him, who cares about all
these people saying they wouldn't watch a Jazz game. There are more dedicated
BYU fans than there are u fans in the entire state (just look at this season).
BYU fans will fill those seats even if pouty, whiny, jealous people in SLC won't
come. SLC would be a great first stop for him because people here love
and appreciate him. If he leaves, we won't be like shallow people in Cleveland
and we'll wish him well.
If Ricky Rubio decides to stay in Spain the Jazz could get Derrick Williams. The
Timberwolves need a point guard. If Williams is gone by 3 then I would prefer
Knight over Kanter. We don't need any more big and slow guys. Jimmer would be a
much shorter version of Korver. Good shooter, terrible defender. Jimmer will be
able to play within himself in the NBA though, he won't need to force things
like he did in college. He'll be a decent backup shooting guard where ever he
You cannot take Fredette in the top 12. Way too many other better players out
there who have all-around games, better NBA bodies. Fredette is a hybrid of JJ
Barea, Goran Dragic, maybe Steve Kerr... and you probably shouldn't use a
lottery pick on that, and you CERTAINLY should not use a #3 overall on it. And the "Fredette is the best shooter" is largely a myth...
statistically Klay Thompson, Brandon Knight are both just as good, and FAR
superior athletically and defensively. The Jazz front-court is
largely set for the next few years with Jefferson, Favors and Millsap all under
contract for several more years... the backcourt is far less stable... only
Devin Harris and Hayward (really best at a 3) are here long term. Add Brandon
Knight and a Alec Burks/Klay Thompson and immediately you have a great all
around roster and some financial flexibility as AK47 goes away.
Just say NO to Jimmer.
@Vinman-- Really? There are a lot of taller wings out there who would eat Jimmer
alive offensively? I am not a Y fan and I find that hard to believe. Give some
rogerdodger:You're just bluffing, aren't you.
Re drum&feather:2005: Trading up to get DWill was brilliant, can
you imagine what this franchise would look like if we got stuck drafting Webster
at 6? That was the best draft day move of the decade. And CJ was a solid 2nd
round pick. A+ 2006: Brewer was a sold pick at 14 and started for
the Jazz for 3 years during deep playoff runs. Milsap was the steal of that
draft and Brown made the roster and contributed for a year. A2007:
Almond was a bust, but Fess was a decent pick at 38 and was worth the risk. D2008: KK was a good pick, he will be in the league a long time and had
enough value to be used as a piece to bring in AJ. Tomic would be a lottery pick
this year and right now he has a ton of value as an asset. B2009 The
Jazz got a lot of money out of Maynor when they sold him. B2010
Hayward looked like a potential all star at seasons end, and Evans was a steal.
AYou don't know what you are talking about.
The jazz have holes in the PG, SG, SF, PF, and C position. Should be best
player available. The jazz are starting all over.
You can't teach someone to be a great shooter. The Jazz have a strong need for a
strong outiside shooter ever since Kyle Korver left. Jimmer is the best shooter
in the draft.
Those who think Jimmer can't lead a team are not paying attention to the fact
he's among BYU's all-time assist leaders. And that's playing on teams with guys
that couldn't convert for him.Give Jimmer some finishers and be
Jimmer is a black hole on offense and if he's not scoring he's worthless.
When Jimmer, WITH THE BALL, outraced his supposedly more athletically quick
opponents down the floor in college games, it cracked me up when people kept
saying he's so slow!So-called more athletic and quick PGs couldn't
guard Jimmer in college. They won't be able to in the NBA, either. And, his
crossover is better than D-Will's.Those who say Jimmer can't finish
at the rim better than other PGs in the draft simply didn't watch BYU games all
that much. That's where Jimmer got MOST of his points--either making the two,
getting the two with an and-one, or getting to the foul line where he's nearly
automatic. MOST of his points, fellas.He's known for his trey range,
but his ability to get to the basket and finish is first class.It'll
be interesting to see whether the Jazz wait until their 12th pick to get him
(I'm sure they want him), or just go ahead and pick him at 3rd.The
pre-draft camps are going to make it tough on the Jazz to wait til the 12th.
Jimmer will turn heads there.
Jimmer should will be picked #1 so until the Jazz trade up they can't get him.
No question Fredette was a great college player.My concern about
Fredette is that he didn't make his teammates better. He needed teammates to
step up in order to optimize his own game. A guard at that size really needs
that trait in the NBA.Fredette's drives are very blockable in the
NBA, where there are tighter and longer defenses. And his defense consists of
preparing to receive the inbound pass after his guy scores.Fredette
is poised for an NBA career, but likely similar to Steve Kerr, as a
long-distance shooter. Worth a shot late in the first round.
Jazz will draft Jimmer Fredette with their 3rd pick, than T.J. Fredette @ 12.
Gametime, and halftime entertainment!
However it goes, it will be interesting! We gained tons of ground with getting
the 3 pic. Lot's of scenarios out there, however they fall into place. Born a
Jazz fan-Still a Jazz fan-will die a Jazz fan.
rogerdodger | 8:00 a.m. May 18, 2011 Logan, UT I will never go to or
watch another Jazz game if they draft Jim Jim. Even if it is in the 2nd round
+++++++I'm sure your YM president can give the tickets to
someone else this year.
2000 (1,23) DeShawn Stevenson, (2,50) Kaniel Dickens.2001 - (1,24) Raul
Lopez, (2, 48) Jarron Collins.2002 (1,19) Ryan Humphrey, (2,47) Jamal
Sampson2003 (1,19) Aleksander Pavlovic, (2,47) Maurice Williams2004
(1,14) Kris Humphries, (1,14) Kirk Snyder, (1,21) Pavel Podkolzine2005
(1,3) Deron Williams, (2,34) CJ Miles, (2,51) Robert Whaley2006 (1-14)
Ronnie Brewer, (2,46) Dee Brown, (2,47) Paul Millsap2007 (1,25) Morris
Almond, (2,55) Herbert Hill2008 (1,23) Kosta Koufos, (2,44) Ante Tomic,
(2,53) Tadija Dragicevic2009 (1,20) Eric Maynor, (2,50) Goran Suton2010 (1,9) Gordon Hayward, (2,55) Jeremy EvansThe Miller family
is more concerned with loyalty than they are with winning. This isnt Harmons
Family Grocer. This is the NBA. Keeping Kevin OConnor around when hes probably
produced the worst 10 years of drafts picks out of any general manager in the
same time span is a travesty to a great franchise that has many dedicated
followers. Watch them draft this Turkey guy (another Euro bust) and Jimmer who
doesn't play an ounce of defense. Sad.
I think Jimmer would be a good pick. I watched him for two years. He's strong,
quick, and can make his own shot. If you only saw him in the Florida game, you
don't have a real picture of Jimmer. He was hurt, doubled and tripled, and
mugged as the refs "let them play", calling only 20 fouls in the
game.I'm not an NBA fan, but nobody in college could guard him one
on one. I don't think the pros will do any better, and Jimmer's been coming off
ball picks his entire career. The pick and roll? A mainstay of pro ball, and
Jimmer is awesome coming off pics.He'll go a lot higher than most of
you posters think, and maybe I'll actually start watching the NBA again to see
him play. I'll be surprised if he doesn't do well in the NBA.But
what do I know - I stopped watching NBA hoops when all the good players (Jordan,
Malone, Stockton, Magic, Barkley, et al.) disappeared with nobody to take their
places. Only thing more boring than NBA now is soccer.
The Jazz may trade down with the #3 pick. I don't think it holds that much
value unless you want Enes. The Jazz are in big need of outside
players. Don't forget Memo is signed through this year. That means there are 4
bigs under contract. You can pick up another big with the #12 pick. It's very
possible that the Jazz draft Enes and trade him on draft day for Knight and
something else.If Cleveland doesn't want to draft #1. They may
trade the Jazz for their #3 and Harris. But that is still highly unlikely as
they will still be stuck with Davis.Jimmer is the biggest risk in
the draft in the 1st round. But on the other hand, he may end up being the
biggest steal of the draft. No one knows what to expect from him at the next
level. I, for one, think if a guy is a scorer, not just a shooter, he will do
well at the next level. Jimmer can score.
With rookies, they always talk about "potential for growth".From what I've read of the Jimmer legend, he has worked very very hard to get
where he is. He deserves every college award he has won. The question is
"does he have more to develop?"A case could be made that
he is maxed out... that he has no "potential for growth" (other than
adding ANY kind of defense to his game). How high do you draft a maxed out
If the Jazz do believe that there is a huge drop off after 2, they have some
really good assets to help them move up a spot or 2.Ante Tomic had
another solid year as the best player on one of the top 4 teams in the world
outside the NBA, he's put on some weight, and he's still 7'2". If he was in
this year's draft he would easily be a lottery pick. The #12 pick is
still very valuable even in a below average draft class. Next year's Golden
State pick should be between 8 and 12, and it will be in an extremely good draft
class. All of those assets individually are way better than anything
the Jazz gave to Portland in order to move from 6 to 3 and draft an all star.They also have a 2nd round pick next year that could be a deal
First off OConner has been very bad at taking the best player available.OConner 3rd worst draft. The Jazz took Kosta Koufos instead of Donte
Green, Nicolas Batum, DeAndre Jordan or Serge Ibauka. I have to stay that Koufas
wasn't the worst pick. But ESPN ranked him 27th. Why not take Jordan who espn
said had top 5 talent 2nd worst OConner Draft - Morris Almond
instead of Marc Gasol Aaron Brooks, Arron Afflalo, Tiago Splitter. Wow. I really
wanted the Jazz to draft Splitter here. He is a can't miss. - Even if he had to
stay in Europe for a couple of years. ESPN had all 4 of those guys ranked
higher than Morris. And OConner worst draft was Skipping on Josh
Smith (ESPN 13th best prospect)for Kirk Snider (15th) and Kris Humphries (19th).
Josh Smith was a swing for the fences type player. He was a freak athlete, but
the Jazz went safe. They also passed on Jameer Nelson and Al Jefferson but
Jefferson was looked at the 4th best high school prospect after (Dwight Howard,
Josh Childress, Josh Smith) He was kind of a reach.
Last night we watched a local guy play against the Cardinals, they didn't take
him cause they knew he could hit, but didn't think he would be all that
effective. He was rookie of the year and is playing on the #1 team in the NL
and #2 team in all of baseball. So St Louis under estimated what Ron Howard
could do, just glad he and their #1 pitching staff were not able to do their
thing with us in the two game series. Having a local person for the Jazz would
increase ticket sales, except on Sundays ;)
Kemba a top 5 pick? No way. Too small and is a volume shooter with a low
percentage. The guy has a big heart but I will be really upset if the Jazz take
him with either pick.I think Brandon Knight has even more potential
than Kyrie Irving. If the Jazz take him at 3 I won't be too disappointed but I'm
really hoping Williams is available at 3 somehow.A trade for a good
small forward would also be fine. Time to let AK go and I think we all know by
now that CJ is not a consistent threat.
Please, KOC, give us a few more athletic players that we're always short on, not
the unathletic overachievers that we're used to: trade down a few spots and get
Bismack Biyomba, a young Shaun Kemp, then Burks at 12, and then a young big man
with 3 you've traded down for (like Lucas Nogueira).
I wouldn't mind taking Jimmer at 12. But, if we take Brandon Knight at 3, then
Jimmer is completely off the radar at 12, regardless of if he is available. I would avoid Enes Kanter like the plague. His knees will break down in
two or three years.
@eastcoastcougIf Jimmer was concerned about doing some good for the
Church, he would have gone on a mission.There's absolutely nothing
wrong with someone who doesn't serve a mission; his choice is his choice, and he
shouldn't be judged negatively for it. However, you don't get to choose not to
represent the Church, and then still get to claim that you represent the
Church.Can't have your cake, and all that...
If the T Wolves take Canter, Jazz go with Williams. Otherwise at 3 there is
only one choice - Brandon Knight.
It appears the jimers value is droping like a burning Hindenburg. CBS has him
at 20 now.Give it a few more weeks and the jimer will find himself
in the 2nd round... if he's lucky.Thanks goodness it's a very weak
Life is always "compared to what." This year's #3 sure seems lean
compared to other years. We've seen Leonard and Williams play here and while
they were good, they did not overwhelm the basketball imagination.All the negative talk of Fredette is just partisan whining. Being analytical
it is obvious the kid can shoot, from anywhere. Can he guard? He has guarded
well in many games. NBA quality? No, but the myth of needing to guard in the NBA
is obvious when you watch a game. Players are OFTEN left wide open. They aren't
guarded well. But, too many players love the slam dunk and can't hit the wide
open 10 to 20 foot shot. Compared to most guards I watch in the NBA who come off
the bench, Jimmer would be a steal. Will he start? I doubt it, but, with his
obvious skills and work ethic, and with the number of Raja Bells in the league,
There is not a player in this draft that can elevate the Jazz from being
competitive to title contender. Soft Euro players and small position players.
The Western Conference is long and tough, the Jazz are opposite. Memo, AK, and
Fes are all soft Euro's. Why go down that road? Bundle the picks and get an
impact player that will really make an impact.
Well, I've thought all along that Jimmer would be great for the Jazz. But in
looking back at some of his games, true he did some pretty incredible things,
but he also did some pretty crazy things. When he makes his incredible shots,
he's a hero. When he attempts the incredible and misses, he's the villain. It
would take him some time to get out of the BYU mentality and into the pro
mentality. That said, I still think he'd be a great addition to the Jazz team,
if it happens.
MN actually wanted Bell earlier and there were rumors that KOC and Kahn had an
agreement to trade Bell. Kahn might trade the 2 for the 3 and Bell. Price is a
free agent. CJ may be tradeable but the Jazz need shooting so they are not
likely to do that.POR is openly talking about trading one of their
SGs (Roy, Mathews etc) and maybe Batum as they have Wallace now. However they
would want a pick and who know what else. Further, none of those players are
cheap. The Jazz have cap problems and need the draft picks.
All the banter about Jimmer will change as he goes through the process at camps
before the draft. Eyes will be opened.If anything, the Jazz might be
forced to pick him at 3 in order to not miss out on him at 12. Maybe they can
somehow get their 12th pick moved up to 6 or 7.The Jazz biggest
weakness right now is at SF and PG. I don't see a future SF superstar in the
draft. So, get one at PG!
Enes Kanter is the international man of mystery and the dark horse in this
draft. He could be a perennial all star or a complete bust. There have been
rumors about health issues with him, but since he didn't play at all last year
who knows how much weight those rumors hold.If Kanter is the
riskiest pick, then the safest pick would be Kawhi Leonard, Leonard has all the
intangibles that translate into being a solid player at the next level, but I
don't know if his ceiling is very high. Knight will be the player
that would fill Utah's biggest need. Right now the Jazz don't have a backup PG
on their roster and they need help at shooting guard. Knight is a combo guard
and he could immediately fill those voids, if he's any good. I
don't know who the Jazz should take but the options at #3 are 10 times better
than they would have been at #7.
@RogerDodger"I will never go to or watch another Jazz game if they
draft Jim Jim. Even if it is in the 2nd round"I seriously doubt
anyone will notice your not there. Trademongers;Who in their
right mind would want Bell and Price. Bell had a terrible year. Price is not
under contract this year and CJ would have minimal trade value. I am not opposed
to a trade but people aren't going to give away a top 5 center unless the Jazz
give up Millsap and Favors or big Al. if you can trade the #12 pick with
CJ and possibly Bell for a good 2 guard then thay might be good. Maybe Portland
will trade Matthews back to us for that package.
rogerdodger | 8:00 a.m. May 18, 2011 Logan, UT I will never go to or
watch another Jazz game if they draft Jim Jim. Even if it is in the 2nd round
===Thousands that camped out overnight all over the MWC would
disagree with you.Too bad, you will miss a great show.
@carver I overlook Jimmers talent, and his lack of defense.CBS has Jimmer going 20th:20. Minnesota Timberwolves -- Jimmer
Fredette: Maybe the most David Kahn pick of all time.Lets hope it
stays that way and Utah picks up some bigs.
Kanter is a big waste of space he isn't going to do anything for us.
Please say no
O'Connor knows what to do...Pick the best Athlete available. If that happens to
be Kanter, oh well. If it's Knight or Williams should he be available, just more
competition for jobs which always improves teams if the players are willing to
commit to work. As far as the 12th pick goes, don't waste a
guaranteed contract on a one dimensional player like "He shall not be
named" because what he's worth is more in line with a 2nd round pick than a
first, although some lame GM will spend a first on him I'm sure. I think he will
be lucky if he ge's drafted at 15. There are a lot of 6-4 and bigger shooting
guard-wing types out there who would eat "JimJim" alive offensively.
Can Jimmer guard a chair?Talk is cheap but it takes money to buy
Don't everlook the Jimmers heart and passion!
i'd trade Bell Price Harris + the 3rd and 12th pick for Felton and Gallinari
denver's first and secound round picks.....
Trade baby tradesend Bell and CJ and Price with the third pick and
get the Jazz a proven inside entity.Sorry Jazz I don't want to wait
for the team to develop another 19 yr old. Pretend to be the Lakers and compete
every year.The Jazz have one of the top 5 payrolls in the NBA they
may as well get some return for it.
Somewhere in the world right now, Walker, Knight, and Williams are all on their
knees praying that they won't have to live in Utah.The Jazz will end
up taking Kanter with the 3rd pick - he's a slow, white big man whose name
starts with a K. There's something about doing that that's in the Jazz's
Come on. Jazz have to take Knight at 3, as long as Williams doesn't get passed
on by Minnesota. Favors, Jefferson and Millsap are just fine as your big
rotation. Kantor and Favors both will be low-post guys, don't need both. And
Favors is much more athletic. Take Knight at #3. If Burcs from
Colorado is still around at #12, grab him. Jazz are hurting at the guard line.
I will never go to or watch another Jazz game if they draft Jim Jim. Even if it
is in the 2nd round
Is Knight really not worth the 3rd pick? I mean, it seems like a 6-3 combo guard
is exactly what the Jazz would need.
After all the rotten luck the Jazz had this past season, I'm still in shock that
they actually moved up in the draft.At six I would have been happy
with Bismack Biyombo but now their field of potential picks has widened. Owning
the 3rd pick will also bring the Jazz a bunch of offers (in the form of trades
and other possible moves) that weren't available to them had they remained at
six.I like Kanter's abilities a lot but I've seen several pictures
of him wearing knee bands, which makes me worry that all the talk about him
having bad knees might just be true. The last thing the Jazz need is another guy
missing a bunch of games due to injuries.And I'm okay with the Jazz
drafting Jimmer at twelve. If nothing else, it will certainly help bring in the
BYU fans. And though I'm a Ute at heart, I don't mind tossing them a bone;
especially if it means they bring more of their money and support to the Jazz.
So he gets every collegiate basketball award known to man, and they still can't
come to terms with his value. It only adds more fuel to the fire.
I think Kanter and Jimmer on the Jazz would be terrific!
What a waste if Jimmer ends up playing more years in the obscurity of the
Wasatch Front. He's the kind of young man that should go somewhere where he can
do some good for the Church, BYU and just be a good influence. You have enough
Mormons there - spread the wealth!!!
OK, IMHO I think we need to pick up a good SF. Everyone is saying there are 2
maybe 3 good picks in the draft with a big fall off there-after.I
have wanted DWill the whole time and ran ESPN's mock draft machine thousands of
times, each time hoping for a scenerio in which the Jazz get DWill. I actually
think with us getting the 3-pick and Cleveland getting the 1 that we have a
ligit shot at DWill.Everyone is saying that Irving is the pretty
boy. But if Cleveland takes him then they lose out on their 4 pick. Who would
be availible? 2 more PG and Kawhi Leonard. So they take Leonand. But I think
this is smarter: Take Kantor with the 1, Minn takes Irving and we get DWill.
Then Cleve can take B Knight or Walker (Knight is better). So they get a great
center and a great PG. Who knows, but my 2 cents are for doing what
it takes to get slasher SF to compliment the big guys in the middle we have, the
shooter we have in Hayward and the power in the SF I hope Millsap is.