John Florez: Utah is short on checks and balances

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  • MormonDem Provo, UT
    May 15, 2011 12:48 a.m.

    Mike Richards: "Perhaps LDS Liberal thinks that the Republicans in the State Legislature were appointed, after all he talks about totalitarian rule."

    Well, between the extremist rightwing rulers of the Republican caucuses, the Republicans' shameless gerrymandering, and the shocking level of voter apathy in Utah, LDS Liberal is quite accurate.

  • Big Wave Dave Draper, UT
    May 14, 2011 4:02 p.m.

    Utah consistently ranks high. Here is just one example. "Google Grading the States 2008" As I used to say during trash talk time in High School when we were winning.


  • Independent Woman West Jordan, UT
    May 14, 2011 1:16 p.m.

    It doesn't matter what Mike Richards believes; the truth is that our legislators have gotten so arrogant, and so sure of reelection that they don't pay attention to their constituents or to what is right and wrong. As long as they want something and can get it passed, so be it. And as long as they have those who will pay them for this, all is well in Zion. Hallelujah!

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 14, 2011 12:21 p.m.

    re: WHAT NOW? | 11:32 a.m. May 14, 2011

    An 2010 audit of the projected savings showed that those savings had NOT occurred.

    Anybody can predict savings. Until something has been tried, it is really not known whether a savings WILL occur. Anybody can use that as the primary reason for changing something; however, when an audit showed that the savings did NOT occur, and when it became obvious that the citizens needed access to the Government on Fridays, the prudent thing to do was to reverse that executive order. The Governor chose not to reverse his order, so the Legislature passed a bill requiring the employees to serve the public five days a week. The Governor vetoed the bill. The Legislature overturned the veto.

    If there is anyone to blame for the $30,000 cost, it is the Governor. He had access to the audit report. He knew that the primary reason for issuing the executive order was invalid. He chose to hold his ground. The people need to hold him responsible.

    (You can use Google to find the reports of the audit. That's how I first learned of the 2010 audit.)

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    May 14, 2011 11:32 a.m.


    "...Mr. Florez grumbles when $30,000 is spent...".

    Gov. Herbert reported, in the DN 5/7/11, a price of $790,000 for turning on the lights and opening the doors an additional day.

    $30,000 was spent to make sure tax payers spend an additional $790,000.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 14, 2011 9:54 a.m.

    Perhaps LDS Liberal thinks that the Republicans in the State Legislature were appointed, after all he talks about totalitarian rule. We Republicans can clearly see that he thinks that he needs to tell us how to vote; but, isn't that a form of totalitarianism?

    What is opposition? Where did it come from. He quotes the scriptures, so he must be talking about opposition to Christ. Righteousness was needed why? Why, indeed. Christ brought righteousness BECAUSE of the opposition that required His atonement.

    Quoting scripture out of context can get someone in a lot of trouble, unless he really, truly believes that we need some evil opposition in Utah. Just so it is plain. The opposition that Nephi wrote about and that LDS Liberal quoted was opposition to Christ and everything that Christ represented.

    We elected those who represent us. Suggesting that the legislature should have not acted, as Mr. Florez wrote, and as posters suggested, is telling us that one person, the Governor, is our King and that he rules by executive order.

    The Governor ruled by executive order and then vetoed the legislature to support that order, which required a $30,000 session to correct..

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    May 14, 2011 7:37 a.m.

    Absolutely --

    It is written:
    "For it must needs be, that there is an opposition in ALL things. If not so, ...righteousness could not be brought to pass".

    Totalitarian rule, is Totalitarianism.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    May 14, 2011 7:30 a.m.

    Utah has denied itself checks and balances by choosing a one party political system. It's pretty much that simple. Change it or live with it.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 14, 2011 5:59 a.m.

    Mr. Florez grumbles when $30,000 is spent to put people back in their offices to serve the public five-days-per week instead of letting those people have unlimited three-day weekends.

    The budget is $1.5 billion per year. $30,000 is 0.002% of that budget. Put another way, if the budget were $50,000 0.002% equals $1.

    Was Mr. Florez upset that state employees can count 1-1/2 hours of exercise as work time? What is the cost of doing that? $30,000 per week? $100,000 per week? What?

    Checks and balances? Didn't the Governor institute the 4-day work week by executive order? Didn't he veto OUR elected Legislature's bill changing the work week back to 5-days? Did Mr. Florez really think that the Governor would sign another executive order over-riding his own veto?

    We elected the Legislature to represent us, the people of the State. They have done that. We, the people, hold the checks and balances. We decide who represents us.

    By the way, a 2010 audit showed the hoped-for savings of the 4-day week never happened.