Brad Rock: Utes gain a wealth of opportunity with new Pac-12 TV deal

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  • flintrock Rigby, Id
    May 4, 2011 11:58 p.m.

    Where is SammyG to tell us how bad we are. I miss the insults and secret messages in his brilliant posts.

  • Wiley Old School RIC, VA
    May 4, 2011 6:42 p.m.


    It should be clear by now that the only way a non-AQ team "hovers in the top ten" at the end of the season is to be undefeated. BYU hasn't done that since 1984 and won't be doing it again anytime soon.

    And don't overplay the ESPN connection. ESPN will help BYU arrange some nice match-ups during the regular season (usually early and almost always on the road). They'd have no incentive, however, to try to game the system in BYU's favor for a Bowl Game since those broadcast rights are defined in advance and BCS games draw high viewership no matter who plays.

    Utah certainly won't be in line for a Rose Bowl slot every year but they will be competing for the best possible bowl position late in the season. BYU, ironically, will have its best games early in the season. The pre-defined minor bowl might be a slight step up from the WAC home schedule but the season-ending "reward" will be anti-climatic every single year.

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 4, 2011 3:45 p.m.

    Wow Blobo I find it interesting that you post this about Utah participating in the BCS on another thread:

    What will Utah do when they can't hang their hats on a Illegal, Anti-Trust, Caste System.

    The Phony Construct is all Utah has to derive their self worth from.

    And here your posturing oh now BYU can be part of that Illegal, Anti-Trust Caste system.

    Sounds like someone is hoping to derive an little BCS self worth for their own team!!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    May 4, 2011 2:34 p.m.

    @Wiley errr...notsomuch

    BYU will be in a BCS hunt any year, if they hover around the TOP 10, final BCS standings.

    Lose early once or even twice, still puts them there. An 11-1 or 10-2 BYU around the Top 10 gets them a look and a good shot.

    If you don't think so, you don't understand BYU's draw and ESPN's muscle.

    On the other hand, Utah will have their 4th or 5th loss by the end of October every year. And the Vegas Bowl will be your ceiling.

    U Utes are simply naive if you think you will compete in the Pac 10.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    May 4, 2011 2:13 p.m.

    Lipstick on a pig....

    Money won't matter to Utah anymore than it does to Wazzu, Vanderbilt, Baylor, Iowa State, Duke, Wake Forrest, Indiana, Northwestern etc.

    This is Utah's World now. Having to wait 4 years for full money, the Utes will be long forgotten by then. Recruits will have moved on to established programs.

    Even with 20 million extra per year, that only brings them to mid-level budgets in the Pac 10.2.

    Utah will have a very rough time in the Pac, enjoy your boasting, reality is just around the corner.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    May 4, 2011 11:42 a.m.

    The Utes and BYU have been ripping recruits from the Pac 10 for years. Now that the Utes are part of the Pac 12 they will get more than there fair share of top notch recruits. They will be 3 - 5th in recruiting in no time.
    Kudos to rational cougar fans who see this for what it is, "a game changer". With any luck you will get picked up the in the next shuffle.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    May 4, 2011 10:56 a.m.


    I too have confidence the U will continue to run a clean program. What the new money will buy are much better facilities that will attract better recruits than the U has had access to in the past. The cost of a scholarship won't change and the U is the best value in the PAC-12 in that regard. The U already fully funds the maximum number of scholarships in every sport they offer. This new money may allow them to offer a few more sports and upgrade the facilities for all the existing sports. Go Utes!!

  • Wiley Old School RIC, VA
    May 4, 2011 10:42 a.m.

    For football, there will no longer be more on the line beyond rivalry bragging rights, so if the games continue, they will be early in the season.

    For Utah, late in the season will be all about maximizing it's position in the league standings (either to compete for a PAC championship game slot or the best possible bowl).

    For BYU, once the first loss is incurred (which will happen early in the season because that's when non-WAC opponents will be played), there will be nothing left to play for. Bowl eligibility shouldn't be a problem for BYU given the heavy schedule of WAC teams at home and the bowl tie-in for anything other than an undefeated BYU is set before the season even starts. That's what I see as the biggest drag for the BYU situation... each season consists of twelve exhibition games, followed by a previously identified minor bowl. What else is there for BYU besides the rivalry with Utah?

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 4, 2011 10:20 a.m.

    "but most would rather play on the coast than come to Utah."

    Most would rather play and if they have professional ambitions this will be the key factor in their decision. I, 4 star recruit can sit behind two 5 star recruits at USC or I can go to Utah gain the benefits of a PAC 12 school and possibly start from day 1.

    Utah has a proven record for sending players to the pro's combine this with the ability to play right away and you have a huge potential to attract players they had no chance to get before.

    BYU will continue to attract the same talent because of religious affinity. This isn't a bad thing, they've had some pretty amazing success in the past. But to beleive Utah doesn't hold a distinct advantage over BYU for the high profile non LDS atheletes is completely and utterly myopic on BYU fans part.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    May 4, 2011 9:57 a.m.

    Also, let's hope Coach K pans out. Then, both BYU and Utah will have young, winning coaches to oppose each other for years to come in both BB & FB. Won't THAT be fun!

    Maybe over time, the schools will be able to schedule their FB games later in the season when more can be on the line than just rivalries. That makes the rivalries even more intense, eh?

    Not sure if they'll ever be able to play BB against each other late in the season, let alone twice in a year (at each other's place).

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    May 4, 2011 9:53 a.m.

    It's exciting to see the two teams I've followed from this state going into uncharted territory. Even though I'm a BYU fan, I've ALWAYS rooted for the Utes when they're not playing the Y, and even admired some of their players' abilities (both BB & FB) when BYU's played them, win or lose by BYU.

    Pac-12 membership for Utah and BYU's independence with ESPN's blessing will do a lot for the sports visibility in this state. It will no longer be considered just another mid-major state.

    It's nice that both schools will be on ESPN, which means we'll be able to see a lot of their sports on channels we don't have to pay extra for!!!

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    May 4, 2011 9:25 a.m.

    "The U can recruit against PAC teams for better athletes all they want but they won't get many."


    Probably best you just go back and read Vail's little observations on the Y page.... it's abou all you have.

    As far as recruiting against the other PAC12 teams? For the past few years Utah has recruited fairly well when comparing to other PAC12 teams. Over the last two years Utah would have been rated 5 or 6th in the PAC12. Of course this is without even being in the PAC12.

  • Chris Bryant SLC, UT
    May 4, 2011 8:58 a.m.


    head back on over to the BYU are starting to get really desperate.

    Its ok, we know its been a hard day. Ill tell you what though. BYU still has a great athletic program. There is no need to feel this insecurity. You can enjoy your own teams success. We know it hurts to see your rival given what you wanted so bad, but please have some class and accept this with dignity.

    Why don't you take your lumps on this one, step away from the computer, take a deep breath, regroup, compose yourself, then come on back.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 4, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    recruiting them and landing them are miles apart. The U can recruit against PAC teams for better athletes all they want but they won't get many. Look at all the 3 and 4 stars they lost to other PAC teams this year. Money won't make a bit of difference to recruits who have their pick of PAC teams. If the U does well in the PAC then they will have a chance with some of these recruits but most would rather play on the coast than come to Utah. The U will continue to get the type of recruits they have been getting plus a few others here and there. They will continue to compete with BYU and BYU will continue to get their share of these recruits.

  • Troll Hunter Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 4, 2011 8:41 a.m.

    Yes Sir!

    Just Win!

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    May 4, 2011 8:36 a.m.

    hedgehog | 7:26 a.m. May 4, 2011
    Ann Arbor, MI
    "More evidence that the BCS is all about money for the insiders. The Utes may now recruit the best college athletes money can buy"

    Yes sir!


    John CC is referring to the corruption of college sports.

    I personally have faith that the University of Utah will continue to run a clean, class "athletic program".

    Good luck to the U in the PAC.


    The U's sudden riches are nice, but the rest of the PAC has a headstart on the U, and the U needs to focus on doing well on the PAC. You live in a new neighborhood, Hedge. Try to keep the lawn mowed...

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    May 4, 2011 7:26 a.m.

    "More evidence that the BCS is all about money for the insiders. The Utes may now recruit the best college athletes money can buy"

    Yes sir!

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    May 4, 2011 7:11 a.m.

    More evidence that the BCS is all about money for the insiders. The Utes may now recruit the best college athletes money can buy.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    May 4, 2011 6:34 a.m.

    And the amount the students receive on a monthly basis won't change a penny. It is a broken system.