Where is SammyG to tell us how bad we are. I miss the insults and secret
messages in his brilliant posts.
blutie,It should be clear by now that the only way a non-AQ team
"hovers in the top ten" at the end of the season is to be undefeated.
BYU hasn't done that since 1984 and won't be doing it again anytime soon.And don't overplay the ESPN connection. ESPN will help BYU arrange some
nice match-ups during the regular season (usually early and almost always on the
road). They'd have no incentive, however, to try to game the system in BYU's
favor for a Bowl Game since those broadcast rights are defined in advance and
BCS games draw high viewership no matter who plays.Utah certainly
won't be in line for a Rose Bowl slot every year but they will be competing for
the best possible bowl position late in the season. BYU, ironically, will have
its best games early in the season. The pre-defined minor bowl might be a
slight step up from the WAC home schedule but the season-ending
"reward" will be anti-climatic every single year.
Wow Blobo I find it interesting that you post this about Utah participating in
the BCS on another thread:What will Utah do when they can't hang
their hats on a Illegal, Anti-Trust, Caste System.The Phony
Construct is all Utah has to derive their self worth from. And here
your posturing oh now BYU can be part of that Illegal, Anti-Trust Caste
system.Sounds like someone is hoping to derive an little BCS self
worth for their own team!!
@Wiley errr...notsomuchBYU will be in a BCS hunt any year, if they
hover around the TOP 10, final BCS standings.Lose early once or even
twice, still puts them there. An 11-1 or 10-2 BYU around the Top 10 gets them a
look and a good shot.If you don't think so, you don't understand
BYU's draw and ESPN's muscle.On the other hand, Utah will have their
4th or 5th loss by the end of October every year. And the Vegas Bowl will be
your ceiling.U Utes are simply naive if you think you will compete
in the Pac 10.
Lipstick on a pig....Money won't matter to Utah anymore than it does
to Wazzu, Vanderbilt, Baylor, Iowa State, Duke, Wake Forrest, Indiana,
Northwestern etc.This is Utah's World now. Having to wait 4 years
for full money, the Utes will be long forgotten by then. Recruits will have
moved on to established programs.Even with 20 million extra per
year, that only brings them to mid-level budgets in the Pac 10.2.Utah will have a very rough time in the Pac, enjoy your boasting, reality is
just around the corner.
The Utes and BYU have been ripping recruits from the Pac 10 for years. Now that
the Utes are part of the Pac 12 they will get more than there fair share of top
notch recruits. They will be 3 - 5th in recruiting in no time.Kudos to
rational cougar fans who see this for what it is, "a game changer".
With any luck you will get picked up the in the next shuffle.
Veritas,I too have confidence the U will continue to run a clean
program. What the new money will buy are much better facilities that will
attract better recruits than the U has had access to in the past. The cost of a
scholarship won't change and the U is the best value in the PAC-12 in that
regard. The U already fully funds the maximum number of scholarships in every
sport they offer. This new money may allow them to offer a few more sports and
upgrade the facilities for all the existing sports. Go Utes!!
For football, there will no longer be more on the line beyond rivalry bragging
rights, so if the games continue, they will be early in the season.For Utah, late in the season will be all about maximizing it's position in the
league standings (either to compete for a PAC championship game slot or the best
possible bowl).For BYU, once the first loss is incurred (which will
happen early in the season because that's when non-WAC opponents will be
played), there will be nothing left to play for. Bowl eligibility shouldn't be
a problem for BYU given the heavy schedule of WAC teams at home and the bowl
tie-in for anything other than an undefeated BYU is set before the season even
starts. That's what I see as the biggest drag for the BYU situation... each
season consists of twelve exhibition games, followed by a previously identified
minor bowl. What else is there for BYU besides the rivalry with Utah?
"but most would rather play on the coast than come to Utah."Most would rather play and if they have professional ambitions this will be
the key factor in their decision. I, 4 star recruit can sit behind two 5 star
recruits at USC or I can go to Utah gain the benefits of a PAC 12 school and
possibly start from day 1. Utah has a proven record for sending
players to the pro's combine this with the ability to play right away and you
have a huge potential to attract players they had no chance to get before.BYU will continue to attract the same talent because of religious
affinity. This isn't a bad thing, they've had some pretty amazing success in the
past. But to beleive Utah doesn't hold a distinct advantage over BYU for the
high profile non LDS atheletes is completely and utterly myopic on BYU fans
Also, let's hope Coach K pans out. Then, both BYU and Utah will have young,
winning coaches to oppose each other for years to come in both BB & FB.
Won't THAT be fun!Maybe over time, the schools will be able to
schedule their FB games later in the season when more can be on the line than
just rivalries. That makes the rivalries even more intense, eh?Not
sure if they'll ever be able to play BB against each other late in the season,
let alone twice in a year (at each other's place).
It's exciting to see the two teams I've followed from this state going into
uncharted territory. Even though I'm a BYU fan, I've ALWAYS rooted for the Utes
when they're not playing the Y, and even admired some of their players'
abilities (both BB & FB) when BYU's played them, win or lose by BYU.Pac-12 membership for Utah and BYU's independence with ESPN's blessing
will do a lot for the sports visibility in this state. It will no longer be
considered just another mid-major state.It's nice that both schools
will be on ESPN, which means we'll be able to see a lot of their sports on
channels we don't have to pay extra for!!!
"The U can recruit against PAC teams for better athletes all they want but
they won't get many."TJ,Probably best you just go
back and read Vail's little observations on the Y page.... it's abou all you
have.As far as recruiting against the other PAC12 teams? For the
past few years Utah has recruited fairly well when comparing to other PAC12
teams. Over the last two years Utah would have been rated 5 or 6th in the
PAC12. Of course this is without even being in the PAC12.
TJ,head back on over to the BYU articles...........you are starting
to get really desperate. Its ok, we know its been a hard day. Ill
tell you what though. BYU still has a great athletic program. There is no need
to feel this insecurity. You can enjoy your own teams success. We know it
hurts to see your rival given what you wanted so bad, but please have some class
and accept this with dignity.Why don't you take your lumps on this
one, step away from the computer, take a deep breath, regroup, compose yourself,
then come on back.
hedge;recruiting them and landing them are miles apart. The U can recruit
against PAC teams for better athletes all they want but they won't get many.
Look at all the 3 and 4 stars they lost to other PAC teams this year. Money
won't make a bit of difference to recruits who have their pick of PAC teams. If
the U does well in the PAC then they will have a chance with some of these
recruits but most would rather play on the coast than come to Utah. The U will
continue to get the type of recruits they have been getting plus a few others
here and there. They will continue to compete with BYU and BYU will continue to
get their share of these recruits.
Yes Sir!Just Win!
hedgehog | 7:26 a.m. May 4, 2011 Ann Arbor, MI "More evidence
that the BCS is all about money for the insiders. The Utes may now recruit the
best college athletes money can buy"Yes sir! ===Hedge:John CC is referring to the corruption of college sports.I personally have faith that the University of Utah will continue to run
a clean, class "athletic program".Good luck to the U in
the PAC.===The U's sudden riches are nice, but the rest
of the PAC has a headstart on the U, and the U needs to focus on doing well on
the PAC. You live in a new neighborhood, Hedge. Try to keep the lawn mowed...
"More evidence that the BCS is all about money for the insiders. The Utes
may now recruit the best college athletes money can buy"Yes
More evidence that the BCS is all about money for the insiders. The Utes may
now recruit the best college athletes money can buy.
And the amount the students receive on a monthly basis won't change a penny. It
is a broken system.