As a die-hard Cougar fan I am envious. I have thought for many years that the
PAC was a much better place for BYU with its LDS fan and recruiting base, money,
playing style and exposure. Utah got there doing by doing one thing that BYU has
not been able to do - get to 2 BCS bowls and win decisively. BYU had no case
for entering the PAC in the way they have failed to get the job done on the
field. An obscure "National Championship" against a 6-5 team 30 years
ago doesn't do it. Sure, the No Sunday play, academic freedom and
Prop 8 hurt BYU too, but if they were a true football powerhouse, it would have
been pretty hard to turn them away from any major conference. And I don't think
BYU officials really wanted it that badly either. Many of our fans and athletic
officials are just happy to field a team and play a big name program once in a
while. That's my take...
People bash Colorado -- really? National champions in 1990, Big 12 northern
division champs In 2001, 2002, 2004 and 2005, Big 12 champs in 2001. They've has
a bad run recently due to one coach. They'll eventually turn it around just
like USC did. They have three things going for them: dominance in their state,
ties to Texas, a new recruiting ground in The PAC. It is naive to think they
will stay down.
to 10CC and all those who are bashing BYU over the U's success:1st,
a few months back it was pointed out in the press that there were TWO football
programs in the country that operate in the black. One was BYU. With Notre
Dame, Florida, Texas, Ohio State, USC etc, I wondered who was the other. The
article didn't say (certainly it's not Utah).Utah needs a lot of
money to upgrade their stadium to be larger than the "smallest in the PAC
12 conference."Utah is where they want to be; congratulations.
BYU is where they want to be; congratulations. For the Utes to be successful
they are going to have to consisently be better than Arizona, ASU, UCLA, USC,
Cal, Standford, UW, Washington State, Oregon and Oregon State. I think they
will easily be better than Colorado. As a tax payer in Utah, I'm happy for the
Utes. As a sports fan, they have a tough road, particularly in basketball.BYU doesn't need to share with anyone. They chart their own future by
winning against whoever they happen to play, starting with Ole Miss. Remember
the winner of Oklahoma vs BYU?
BarkoffofapineappleAnd, what exactly did you bring to the table,
besides your whine?Utah hit the $$$ jackpot, but that doesn't
necessarily mean the Utes are going to be more successful athletically.But for all the $$$ the Utes will be getting, Utah fans won't see a dime of
it. You're going to pay dearly for the privilege of sitting at the big kids
table.-- season ticket prices will be going way up-- the PAC
12 network is going to be a subscription service-- bowl games will be alot
more expensiveNicer athletic facilities, eventually - mostly unseen
by fans. More money for coaches. And, possibly, better teams.
gonefishn - "To all the Y fans..."Everest - "I suspect all
the BYU fans..."Dennis - "I can hear the wheels churning at BYU
headquarters..."10CC - "This is another double-blow for
BYU..."Classic 'little brother' syndrome! You know... the one
where the little one looks up enviously at the big one, waiting until he gets
the chance to feel like the dominant one; the one where the little one is
constantly looking over his shoulder at his every achievement to see if the big
one is watching and, more importantly, is impressed.It remains to be
seen whether a boatload of $$$ will translate into a boatload of athletic
With all this money, the Utes will just be the Yankees of college football in
Utah...they'll win a few here and there, but choke their fair share as well.
I'll still hate the Utes because it is the right thing to do...it just feels
Anybody else on here wonder why they let trolls like 'TJ of Eagle Mountain'
continually comment on Utes' discussion boards? I could understand if TJ
brought something valid to the table once and a while. However, to come on here
and add nothing viable or at least nothing that isn't stained with
'blue-jealousy' or 'Cougar-bitterness', gets really old, really fast. I guess we as Ute fans should take the high-road and just skip over/ignore
TJ's posts and let that troll rot in Happy Valley, right along with the rest of
the jealous and bitterly 'blue' faihtful. Go Utes!
Moving to the Pac 12 is huge. The Pac 12 is an elite conference and just being
numbered amonng the Stanfords, Cal's , UCLA etc.. is a big boot athletically and
academically for the U.
crisbryant'Apparently you care. You read my entire post and it bothered
you enough to comment. I spoke the truth.Thank you
Great news, now that the U has the resources inbound that are needed &
necessary to compete at this new level it will be muy interesting to see the
impact on the existing player cadre & recruiting/competing for Prime Time
Talent. Have to say --- hind sight is 20-20: Turns out Coach Whitt
made a great choice several years ago to stay Red, & we can only express our
appreciation to UCLA for choosing to live and die with The Pistol (Ouch!). Just
shows to go ya --- Coach Chow was predestined to return to the Hill.Rice Eccles is going to Rock, hope you got your tickets!
That is pretty impressive for the U! I am excited for them, that money will
certainly help elevate the possibilities at the U. I am not trying to
attack the Y, but just out of curiosity does anybody know how much BYU will be
making this next year with their deal with ESPN and by having their own network?
If money solved all the problems, shouldn't teams like Colorado, Baylor, NC
State, South Carolina, VCU etc. all have tremendous on field talent and contend
for BCS and NCAA championships on a yearly basis? As a fan, we all want to see
our team's play on Saturdays, or whatever day they are scheduled and these deals
makes that possible.The moves that both BYU and Utah made will be
great for each program. I don't think that money translates to instant
success...especially in football. Look at Duke and Kentucky. They've NEVER
been good at football, yet they share in the SEC and ACC spoils every year like
heyenas. Best of luck to both programs. Definitely steps in the right
direction for each school.
@Rock - there is nowhere for Boise to go. You can't just join a major
conference, you need an invite, and those invitations are few and far
between.Sounds like the Pac got a great deal. However, while the
money is good, it certainly is not everything. The Washington State types have
been getting way more money than Utah and BYU for years, but their programs are
much worse. I think Utah has shown that it can do a lot with a little, and they
will do even more with a lot. They are in a better position than BYU, but the
rivalry will stay neck and neck for the foreseeable future.
Dollars to the University increases 10 to 12 times -- dollars to athletes
increases ZERO. Nicer facilities, nicer locker rooms, nicer
stadiums and -- nicer payday to athletes? Nyet.Let's say the total
increase from MWC to PAC is $20 million, and lets say there are 100 football
players who generate most of that $20 million. Each of them could be paid an
addition $500 a month and that would cost $600,000 per year, or 3% of the
increase. Whittingham has probably had $600,000 in salary increase since he's
been made coach. Many colleges are paying more than that in contracts to ousted
coaches.Personally, I hope football players wise up, and the
captains of every football team in each BCS conference get on the phone, pick a
boycott week and tell the NCAA, their conferences and their schools,
"Without us there those contracts mean squat. Pay or we don't
play."It would be equally appropriate if athletes only got the
$500 a month as long as they are progressing toward graduation.
With some of the new PAC-12 money could we hire a fashion consultant to help us
find uniform combinations that don't make our players look like Coke cans when
playing at home? Could we just stick with the red jerseys and white pants? Did
people actually buy the "special" uniforms that were worn in the TCU
game? They were the ugliest uniforms ever conceived, and the only thing uglier
was the way the team played in them. I hope they were burned, like the team was
by Andy Dalton and company. Thankfully our fashion consultant doesn't have to
work with purple and black.
Why do I suddenly have an overwhelming urge to listen to track #5 on Pink
Floyd's 'Dark Side of the Moon?' Do, duh, duh do, do, do, do....Ka-Ching!
Facts are facts once you set aside the emotion:1. This move is a
huge accomplishment for the U.2. BYU would have LOVED to join the PAC 12
or Big 12 and will jump at any future opportunity to join a BCS conference.3. BYU has worked very hard and smart to position themselves as positively as
possible short of a BCS conference invite.4. Both Utah and BYU are in much
better situations than they were one year ago. Except for the fact that playing
in a BCS Bowl game is probably more difficult for both than it would have been
staying in the Mtn. West Conference.5. I am a Cougar fan but will be
rooting for both to do well on their respective journeys.Go Cougs!
And go Utes - except when playing the Cougs!
" Hopefully this will lead to success, then some national attention and
respect. They don't have much of that yet"Rigggggght, when the
PAC 10 went looking for expansion candidates the put all the D1 mid majors names
in a hat and pulled one out, Utah was so lucky with their total lack of success
and national acclaim to win the lotery.....It's amazing how
desperate some BYU fans have become in attempt to spin this recent news as a
"Esquire | 6:52 a.m. May 4, 2011 Springville, UTMoney is why,
exactly, the Utes took this step. Not for athletic success or honoring
traditions."Hello BYU pot, meet kettle. You mean to honestly
tell me BYU's move to Independence would not have been done with that tiny bit
of money ESPN chipped off toy BYU? Being an independent keeps what
traditions for BYU exactly?You are so jealous you can't see
PAC Man,Isn't that the goal? To get as much money as the more well
known programs so you have a better chance of competing with them.
These truly are great times for the Utes! I am one cougar fan who is extremely
happy for them. This far exceeds BYU's independence deal money wise, but in no
way diminishes my excitement about them going that route either. I'm happy for
the Utes. I see a great future for them and their program. Let's hope they can
translate their good fortune into making them a Pac 12 power house. I want them
to dominate their conference and replace UCLA and USC at the top. It will surely
make things very exciting when they do meet BYU on the field. That is if BYU on
the other hand can also manage to get their program strong and competitive,
especially against the powerhouses of the so called elite conferences of the
Sweeeeet! Raining red in Alaska.
The BCS and BYU's independence is about MONEY. Forget the rest of the chatter.
I forgot to point out that the 4-5 games Utah will play will be for a national
audience. BYU will only play 3-4 games in front of a national audience, the rest
will be regional, or locally broadcast. Some of those games will end up on
BYUtv.Things into the future will certainly change, and will be
based on how well they do and they types of teams that they will be playing.
Hey I am a Weber State fan but cheer for both Utah and BYU.I
defiantly see the advantages that Utah has over BYU now. They will have a lot
better shot at getting the recruits they want. Utah is good enough that if they
maintain their current level they will have a great deal for the football team.
We should be able to see 4 - 5 of their games this year (without having to pay
to watch it on the internet). BYU will not get the money, but we will be able to
see all of their games (I am not going to buy a ticket to any games).But Utah is going to get hosed in basketball. You have sold the rights and got
paid, but you will only see 1 - 2 games this year. Once again we will see all of
BYU's basketball games.Utah wins with cash and all the advantages
that brings, but BYU wins with getting the games out to its fans. As far as I
have heard, that is what both sides were looking for.
TJ,the following is a list of those who care:still
This is another double-blow for BYU. Not only did their rival hit the jackpot,
but they'll be competing against BYU for ESPN's attention, as part of a
conference that will likely nudge BYU off the main stage more than not. BYU
thought they were getting most of the attention from ESPN among western schools,
but they just got upstaged.With the PAC now about to occupy stage
space on ESPN, BYU fans need to make sure they have X-Boxes or can otherwise get
ESPN3. If BYU gets killed by the stronger opponents on their schedule, there
will be pressure to bump their ESPN games down the ladder.Of course,
if BYU is playing the Idaho schools or WAC schools, they're more likely to
appear on KSL than on one of the ESPN channels. (Remember ESPN only has to
broadcast four of the BYU games, though they have rights to all home games.)
In addition to the huge financial windfall, I am glad to see the deal is with
Fox and ESPN being a Directv subscriber. Absolutely the best national and cable
infastructure of any sports networks. Goes to show that there are no
"exclusive" deals with ESPN when virtually every CFB team has an
agreement with them.
Money can't buy happiness and money can't buy success.
This is great for Utah and I am happy for them. Hopefully this will lead to
success, then some national attention and respect. They don't have much of that
yet. Winning on the stage they are on now is the only way to get those and I
hope they get them.Those of you who are trying to rub this in BYU's faces,
and BYU fans who are nervous, think about a few things. One team being way ahead
in the money race can eventually lead to lop sided rivalries. There will be no
such gap between BYU and Utah. BYU has always had more than enough money to keep
their athletics in the black. They always will. Their facilities are currently
much better than the U's. The U can now catch up to BYU facility wise. This
should help Utah recruiting and COULD be an advantage over BYU. BYU has recently
committed more money to their athletic department and has taken steps to give
BYU teams a much bigger national presence. Rose and Mendenhall both have
everything they need to raise their own bars and be successful. BYU recruiting
will improve also leading to continued parity.
Look what program like Utah, TCU and Boise State have done with less than
$2M/year from TV contracts. BCS games and BCS wins.Can't wait to
see what the Utah football program can do with even more resources. Does it
guarantee anything, absolutly not, but when you give a terrific manager more to
work with, you usually don't see anything but more success.
Nice future payday for the Utes, but it remains to be seen how long it will take
to see a significant improvement in athletic success. It's going to take several
years to upgrade Utah's athletic facilities just to be on par with what many of
their PAC 12 opponents already have. Even then, the Utes will spend most of
their time going head-to-head with opponents who are getting just as much money
as the Utes.
Money is why, exactly, the Utes took this step. Not for athletic success or
I'm guessing Idaho and Idaho St. are even more offended at playing in Provo you
might expect.I can hear the wheels churning at BYU headquarters right now.
I'm guessing all they'll get is butter.
17.5 times the revenue from the MWC. Boooyaaawwww!
Most importantly, this is going to help the U grow exponentially in academics.
Look what they've been able to do with a small budget, think of what they can do
with a much greater budget. I know you sports fans think its about bragging
rights, but when it comes down to it, this is going to be an amazing blessing to
the state of Utah. Look for the U to grow in every aspect. As a student, I
will gladly reap these benefits.
Money, money, money...I love to see the Yankees and Lakers lose to
teams with less money. Utah will still lose year after year to BYU even though
BYU has less money.
@WhatsInItForMe:"if Utah doesn't get ANY of the ESPN money this
coming year, how are they going to keep their sports departments afloat until
that 50% piece of the pie comes in the following year?"Really
that is not a huge problem, while Utah get nothing from the existing Pac-10 TV
deal (that runs through the 2011-2012 school year) the Utes do get a 1/12th
share of the "new money" the Pac-12 got from a Pac-12 Championship
game and the extra Basketball games that come from Utah and Colorado joining the
conference.It turns out Fox paid $25M for those properties so the
UofU gets a bit over $2M next year... That neatly replaces the the UofU would
get from the MWC ($1.3M and another $500K or so from Bowl money and NCAA
Basketball Tournament payouts). While Utah's Athletic budget will be
the smallest in the Pac-12 it won't be any smaller in 2011-2012 than 2010-2011.
So if Utah doesn't get ANY of the ESPN money this coming year, how are they
going to keep their sports departments afloat until that 50% piece of the pie
comes in the following year?Just wondering.Glad the Utes
will be able to upgrade their facilities over time as the good money comes in
and donors begin to see that there's value in helping out. That, of course,
might depend on how competitive Utah can be in the Pac-12 in football. The other
sports probably won't apply as much to donors' perceptions.
Everest, thanks for the classy comment. Thats crazy, more money in
one year than they would get in 17 year in the Mt. West/Worst. If Boise State
is smart theyll get out of Mt. West as quickly as possible.
Welcome to the big time Utes! The U. earned every penny of this revenue and
deserve all the success.The future is the Utes!
I love money.
The answer to the poll question is obvious: It's better to be in the PAC-12
than live as an independent. I'm a BYU fan, but I'd be crazy to think we're
better off than Utah in this new alignment. And it's not just about the
money.I suspect all the BYU fans will say the same thing after BYU's
home schedule wraps up this season. Who would you rather see play in our
backyard: UCLA or U of Idaho? USC or San Jose State? Cal or New Mexico State?
Arizona or Idaho State?Hey, BYU gets BOTH Idaho AND Idaho State at
home this year!I will be cheering for BYU all the way, but Utah hit
the jackpot. Glad to see something positive like this for the state.
The great news just keeps coming! To all the Y fans that want more than going to
see the bottom half of the Wac on the way to the Bell Helicopter Bowl; welcome
aboard, get on the train before it leaves the station. By the time they
add in the money from the pac12 network and other conference revenue streams
this will be in the $30 million range.