Speaker urges knowledge of Savior

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  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    May 7, 2011 9:00 a.m.

    How does one know the unknown, or that that does not exist, or that that will not be know, or can not be known. The truth is one can't know and doesn't know; and so opportunists develope elaborate superstitions to fill the void of not knowing and then work to pull as many others as possible into the circle to fill the void so as to validate their not knowing and to comfort the inner need for belonging and individual and group identity recognition to help allay their fears of the un-known. And thus they pretent to know, and strife to convince others that they do know untill they are convinced that maybe they really do know, they just can't prove it. Many become famous, powerful, wealthy, important, feared and loved doing it. It is the business of power, money and politics called organized religion that package sale and trade in the open market the many differet brands of the unknow. The competition is fierce and deadly. Caveat Emptor.

  • Idaho Coug Meridian, Idaho
    May 4, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    I think that the importance of both faith and good deeds (works) is scripturally sound.

    But there clearly is a difference in how the LDS defined works versus general Christianity.

    The active LDS member has a long and detailed checklist of works. These are generally not considered as helpful suggestions but as mandatory for a recommend holding member.

    In contrast, I think the general Christian idea of works is that one who practices belief and faith in Christ will be moved by the Spirit to practice good works here on earth and rarely is a mandatory list provided.

    The LDS idea of works is to a large degree dictated by leadership whereas it is much more personal in the general Christian community.

    Not saying one is right or wrong. And there is no question that most LDS take the initiative to do good works in addition to the required behaviors and ordinances. But works does take on different meanings to LDS versus other Christians.

  • donn layton, Ut
    May 4, 2011 8:39 a.m.

    Rifleman: James 2:14-26 - Faith Without Works Is Dead. Martin Luther explains, Man is justified by faith alone, but not by faith that is alone. Genuine faith will produce good deeds.
    People quote Ephesians 2:8,9, but forget verse 10,For we are Gods workmanship, created in Chris Jesus to do good works which God prepared in advance to us do.
    He saved us(Christians), not because of righteous things we have done ,but because of His mercy He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy (Ghost*) Spirit. (Titus 3:5 NIV)
    *Ghost is the KJV rendering of the Greek word pneuma, or Spirit, they are the same word.
    1. How will I come to know the Spirit of the Holy Ghost? Is equivalent to, How will I come to know the Spirit(pneuma) of the Holy Ghost(pneuma). The advantage of using Spirit is that it can always be used, whereas Ghost requires the prefix Holy. The author should use a modern Bible translation.

  • NoMad Grantsville, UT
    May 4, 2011 6:46 a.m.

    Aussie Bloke | 7:26 p.m. May 3, 2011

    Rifleman | 8:44 p.m. May 3, 2011

    Thank You for your prospective on LDS.

  • Northern Lights Louisville, KY
    May 4, 2011 3:54 a.m.


    In addition to Rifleman's comment, I live by a principle that James also teaches: I will show you my faith by my works. My parents always taught me that there is no safety in passive faith.

    Latter-day Saints believe in the Bible and are taught to call upon God continually for a forgiveness from sin and ACTIVELY seek to apply the atonement of Christ in their life. There is more to this than simply proclaiming one's faith, there is also much learning and work required of each disciple in order to serve the Lord.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 3, 2011 8:44 p.m.

    Re: NoMad | 1:32 p.m. May 3, 2011

    James 2:14-26 - Faith Without Works Is Dead.

    There is no easy road where we can sit back and expect the Savior to save us when we do nothing to show our faith.

  • Aussie Bloke Brisbane, Australia
    May 3, 2011 7:26 p.m.

    NoMad, you appeared yesterday on a DN comments board as someone who was sincerely seeking to understand LDS doctrine. You now seem to be contending with the doctrine relating to grace, faith and works. You have quoted some very relevant scripture in defence of your position. May I also recommend the Saviors concluding admonition in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 7:13-29) which in part He states (V. 21): "Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that DOETH the will of my Father which is in heaven." You are correct in that salvation comes through the grace of Jesus Christ in that all mankind will be resurrected (I Corinthians 15:19-22). However, exaltation in the "kingdom of heaven" requires some work (doing) on our part. Paul also understood this well in his letter to the Romans (2:7); "To them who by patient continuance in well DOING seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life." A full reading of the teachings of Jesus and his apostles affirms the truth of LDS doctrine on this matter. The Book of Mormon confirms it.

  • bilbo Mayer, AZ
    May 3, 2011 3:57 p.m.

    Salvation through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ as the offered Lamb of God is the only way to Eternal life and Exaltation. LDS believe in progression. the Bible believes and promotes progression. faith without works is dead. By your fruits they shall know you. No works, no evidence of Truth.God knows your heart. No works, no evidence of Christ in your heart. No works, no Glory. LDS believes in the Bible. Those who reject the Bible are not Christians. I am a Christian. I have a belief in the Bible...Holy Bible...as a Testament of Christ's Sacrifice, Works, and Beliefs. Please ask an LDS believer what you need to know re their Gospel. Don't ask a Roman Catholic what a Baptist believes in....ask an LDS believer. You will then find the truth....not what some podunk pastor has twisted around. God Bless you and I in your quest for Truth.

  • NoMad Grantsville, UT
    May 3, 2011 2:44 p.m.

    How can you profess faith in God, but not His divine Word? If you claim to believe in God but not the Bible, then I seriously question the identity of your god. The New Age movement has their own god, but it is not the Lord Jesus Christ. The Islamic Muslims claim to believe in Allah (god), but it is not the Lord Jesus Christ. You see my friend, you have to have faith in the true and living God. Having faith in God is only good if it's faith in the Lord Jesus Christ to forgive your sins. James 2:19 tells us that the devils believe in God. Big deal, many unsaved people believe in God! Have you ever realized that you were a sinner, bound for an eternal hell without Christ? Did you call upon the name of Jesus to forgive those sins and save your soul from hell? If not, please do so now and don't wait another minute. Don't risk spending an eternity in the lake of fire. You've got nothing to lose, salvation is a free gift from God...paid for by the precious blood of Jesus.

  • Kevin Surrey, BC
    May 3, 2011 2:14 p.m.

    Re:NoMad | 1:32 p.m. May 3, 2011

    Salvation is achieved by the grace of God after all we can do. If we do nothing for ourselves, grace won't save us. Besides being baptized and receiving all the ordinances for salvation, we must keep all the commandments of God, live a Christ-like life, repent of all our sins so the atonement will work for our salvation. Forgiveness of sin only works through repentance.

    D & C 19:

    For behold, I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they would crepent;

    17 But if they would not repent they must suffer even as I;

    18 Which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spiritand would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and shrink

    Sounds pretty clear and straight forward to me.

  • NoMad Grantsville, UT
    May 3, 2011 1:32 p.m.

    Salvation is NOT found in a religion or good works, but in a Person. The Lord Jesus Christ! John 11:25-Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live. John 14:6-Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 6:40-And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. Mark 1:15-And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. Acts 26:18-To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. Romans 10:13-For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 3, 2011 12:22 p.m.

    Re: NoMad | 11:04 a.m. May 3, 2011
    "For by grace are ye saved through faith"

    Members of the Church of Jesus Christ believe that faith without works is dead. It is one thing to tell the Lord we love Him and it is another to show our love by helping our fellow man.

    His sheep will hear His voice when he speaks to them through the mouths of his living prophets.

  • NoMad Grantsville, UT
    May 3, 2011 11:04 a.m.

    Mormons believe that one's salvation is based on such good works as baptism, good deeds, missionary work, and following Mormon teachings. B. McConkie stated at BYU that a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is "improper and perilous", Church News, Mar 20, 1982, p.5, Ephesians 2:8-9, For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Romans 4:5, Salvation comes to those who do not work for salvation, but believe on Jesus Christ instead! Jesus Christ came into this world to lay down His sinless life for YOU-to pay for your sins because you couldn't. Jesus is your only hope for salvation. Only by receiving Him as your Saviour can you enter the gates of Heaven. There is no other way. "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me." John 14:6, Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12