BYU football: Cougars enter agreement with Armed Forces Bowl

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  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Dec. 30, 2011 11:21 p.m.

    Bluecat82 | 11:03 p.m. Dec. 30, 2011
    Minneapolis, MN
    No Conference Will Take Us | 10:38 p.m. Dec. 30, 2011
    SEATTLE, WA
    We signed a multi year contract with a lame bowl. Everyone is laughing at us. And deservedly so.

    Actually, no, they didn't. Next year it's the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl in San Francisco. There are worse places to go bowling than the Bay Area...

    --

    The bowl next year is in San Diego. Lame Bowl just like everyone at CougarBlue is saying.

  • TXBYUFAN Spring, TX
    May 2, 2011 10:46 p.m.

    Ute Fans:

    Do none of you realize the ONLY reason the U got into the PAC was because the University of Texas spurned the PAC? If the PAC hadn't been so hasty in inviting Colorado to prevent Baylor from coming with Texas, Utah would never have been invited. Utah was pretty much their only option after that.

    The PAC had no intention of inviting the U until they were backed into a corner. They really didn't want you, they wanted Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, etc.

    At least BYU knows every deal they enter is because they are sought after - even if for now the bowls aren't the best, they'll get better. You have to start somewhere.

  • Lone Star Cougar Plano, TX
    May 2, 2011 12:30 p.m.

    Dear Cougar Nation - I for one am glad this year as I will have the chance to see the cougars twice as I am in the Dallas area. TCU and now the armed forces bowl. I am also glad that all the rest of the games will be televised now. The armed forces bowl is just the beginning and this situation will improve.

    ESPN has a great appreciation for BYU as we helped in a great way to get ESPN off the ground in their early years. Their televised games of the Holiday bowls had great media attention as BYU was the offense of the future and was always entertaining and ESPN loved to televise BYU. Then the National Championship happened and ESPN was even bigger and better. BYU and ESPN grew up together to national prominence.

    ESPN remembers this. BYU and ESPN have a new opportunity to grow even more. This is just the beginning. Thank goodness we don't have the mtn anymore.

  • T-spoon West Jordan, UT
    May 1, 2011 11:11 p.m.

    It's been a while since I've posted anything on these boards, but crazy fans still ruin an otherwise good discussion.

  • David in New Mexico Rio Rancho, NM
    May 1, 2011 8:51 p.m.

    Elite bowl game? No. But when BYU announced independence, critics said we wouldn't have bowl games. Ridiculous. There are plenty of bowls that would love to have BYU fill their seats. BYU has proven it does not need conference affiliation to work out bowl deals.

    What does a win at a BCS bowl or other elite bowl mean? Money, and that's really it. But BYU will be making a lot more money this year as an independent with their exclusive ESPN contract and other TV deals. As presently constituted, there is only one bowl game whose results actually matter... the national championship. BYU is as eligible for that game as anyone else. Criteria are the same for everybody: Be #1 or number #2 of BCS rankings.We have bowl games lined up similar in caliber to what MWC offered. Only now we have the freedom to adjust our schedule, adding easy teams to increase wins or tough teams to increase schedule strength, as needed to maximize chances of playing for a championship.

    Is it going to happen? Odds are against it, but odds were against it in 1984 too.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 1, 2011 2:10 p.m.

    @wally west

    Maybe the biggest problem utah has is that next to wsu they occupy the least attractive place to go for recruits in the entire pac10. When they were in the mwc they were in one of the best, behind maybe only San Diego and perhaps Las Vegas. But now they are in a mostly white city in a cold climate with little to do for black athletes that care about a night life.

    Those of us that live here of course love it because it matches most of us culturally and religiously plus it is a beautiful place but those things simply are not what most of the California and Texas athletes utah is trying to recruit care about.

    The recruiting class they signed in February is probably the high water mark for them and that should be a concern. They were completely rejected by every qb they offered a scholarship to, and that was with one of the worst qb's in college football the only thing between them and starting plus the supposed allure of playing for norm chow.

    I really don't see much but mediocrity from them.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    May 1, 2011 1:26 p.m.

    re: Mountainman56 | 12:32 p.m. April 30, 2011

    "I don't see Utah's odds being significantly better than ASU or U of A."

    UAz is a program on the rise. The Utes are in a good spot; I don't see Az St, CU, or UCLA being good for sometime.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    May 1, 2011 10:42 a.m.

    What's with all the negativity from Utah fans about BYU bowl tie-ins?

    For a school that's only been an independent for 8 months to already have bowl bids secured for the next three seasons is great. This is just the beginning.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    May 1, 2011 6:43 a.m.

    Seriously DNews, please put back the 4 comment rule.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 30, 2011 11:15 p.m.

    Howard
    Wow. You really do take this very seriously. I had heard about people like you, but this is absolutely astounding.

    Just so you know, Tom Holmoe is too busy arranging schedules and doing his job as an athletic director to be just waiting by the phone all the time. I'm sure you would agree with that. If the call does come, I am sure it won't be missed, as I'm sure you would agree.

    I may wish Utah well because I have some very close friends who are fans, but I assure you, I have and never will lose any sleep over what happens with their athletic program. You, on the other hand are the one with 20 plus comments on a BYU article. Seriously, just say the word and all of the Cougar faithful will be happy to help you through whatever ails you. It's OK to ask for help son.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 30, 2011 9:14 p.m.

    @Cougars1

    BYU to the Big 12?

    I'm sure Tom Holmoe is hanging right by that phone.

    The call should come anytime...

    Oh, and about those people who can help... Have they helped you deal with Utah's invitation to the PAC 12?

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 30, 2011 8:05 p.m.

    Howard

    It is what it is. If it is not accurate, please tell us all how Utah will turn a 0 share into anything. Oh, and please stop with the speculation until the PAC actually gets a TV deal signed.

    In 3 years we don't even know that BYU will be Independent. If we are going to speculate, then I will gladly speculate that BYU will be invited to the Big12 because of pressure from Mr. Jones for the Big12 to have a championship game in his house, and their TV deal will net BYU somewhere around $40mill per year.
    Wow, that's kind of fun. Now I see why Utah fans are speculating.

    The truth is, I am happy for Utah's new situation in the PAC. I hope they do well. I am also very excited about BYU's situation, honest, and I am sure that we would be more rational if we were face to face. This is all in good fun and very entertaining. Maybe you don't agree, but if you are taking this all as serious as you appear, then, well.....I know some people that can help.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    April 30, 2011 7:46 p.m.

    By hedgie's and howie's "logic"

    every team in a conference has equal economic value with every other team in the conference.

    Utah, with almost no football history before 2004, suddenly went from being worth less than $1.5 million per year in the MTN to 10 to 20 times that much in the PAC 12, simply because the Utes had a couple of good seasons???

    Utah's basketball program is in shambles. Except for women's gymnastics, none of the Utah's other sports are worth a dime as far as television rights, yet now, according to Ute troll theory, Utah, Colorado, and Washington State have the same economic value as USC.

    Indiana = Ohio State
    Baylor = Texas
    Florida = Vanderbilt
    Wake Forest = Miami

    The sheer lack of logic is stupifying.

    The truth is, without equal revenue sharing in the PAC 12, Utah wouldn't be getting 1/10th as much as USC.

    Utah was under paid in the MWC, according to their value.
    Utah will be vastly overpaid in the PAC 12, based on the same criteria.

    Call us the next time ESPN contacts Utah to arrange a made-for-television regular season game.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 30, 2011 7:36 p.m.

    Cougars1

    Cougars1, my friend, I like you. You are misguided, but I like you.

    Now seriously...

    BYU TV revenue for 2011--$8mil;
    Utah TV revenue for 2011--$0

    Besides not even being accurate for 2011... it is JUST 2011.

    But even if inaccurate, I would gladly take $0 in 2011 in return for a 3 year ramp-up to a perpetual $20 million annual payout.

    Oh, and btw so would you...

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 30, 2011 6:16 p.m.

    "BYU didn't get a Big 12 invite because the Big 12 hasn't invited anyone."

    Moutainman,

    Well then. It's the bottom of the ninth with two outs and two strikes. BYU better get this home run.

    The biggest question is Y did it come to this? I think we know Y.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 30, 2011 6:13 p.m.

    Howard

    Did you even bother reading a recent article about the PAC12 tv deal and how Utah and Colorado were in no way going to carry their weight in the new conference.

    But I will play along. BYU TV revenue for 2011--$8mil; Utah TV revenue for 2011--$0. Now we truly know which team carries more value.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 30, 2011 5:59 p.m.

    Cougars1

    As the Cougar Collective is fond of saying its all about the benjamins.

    Markets ultimately pay the appropriate value for any commodity including the value of a fan base. ESPN has set the value, and BYU has accepted the value, of their fan base at something around $8 million (if you believe Cougars1, who has no direct knowledge).

    The value of Utah's participation in the PAC 12 will phase up to around $20 million according to widely published sources.

    Utah will be paid their value of around $20 million, while BYU will get their value of about $8 million.

    Simple as that, my friends.

    You can blow milk all you want and say Utah doesn't bring that value, but it doesn't change the FACT the the market will pay Utah $20 million.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 30, 2011 5:47 p.m.

    Mountainman56

    What Howard seems to not get is that economic reasons are BYU's biggest argument in their favor. They literally have at least 8 times the drawing power of the Utes.

    Still cleaning up the milk:)

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    April 30, 2011 5:37 p.m.

    Cougars1 | 5:22 p.m. April 30, 2011

    "I blew milk out of my nose when I read that because I was laughing so hard."

    Awesome response! I sure I would have done the same thing if I had been drinking milk at the time.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 30, 2011 5:22 p.m.

    Howard

    "It's simple. The economic value of their national fan base was less than the their share of conference revenues."

    Where to start. First, where did you read that? I think that is something you made up. In fact, I know it is.
    Second, you can't seriously think that Utah's economic value is anywhere close to the $20 to $30 million you think they will get.

    I blew milk out of my nose when I read that because I was laughing so hard.

    Let's share some more facts for you.
    4 of the 5 most watched NCAA football games on ESPN are BYU games. 2.3 million people streaming the Florida basketball game on the internet so they can watch it. Every member of the MWC selling out their bball games because of all the local BYU fans showing up to watch Jimmer. Football games on the road sometimes have more BYU fans than the local team. I went to two Las Vegas bowls, and both times 75% of the fans there were BYU fans.

    I could go on but something tells me it won't change your mind.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 30, 2011 4:42 p.m.

    @Cougars1

    Liabilities you say?

    It's simple. The economic value of their national fan base was less than the their share of conference revenues.

    You don't know, but you say ESPN has set the value of their national draw at $8 million. Okay for discussion lets go with that.

    They would only bring $8 million of value to the PAC 12 or the Big 12, but an equal share might be $20 to $30 million.

    You see? Their value at $8 million is less than what the conference would have to pay them.

    BYU is therefore economically not worth it to a major conference, so they weren't invited.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 30, 2011 4:29 p.m.

    Howard

    If you would kindly reread my earlier post you would see that I was not dissing on any NC. I was simply trying to make a point through a pseudo analogy.

    Dnews moderator
    Is that polite enough for you?

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    April 30, 2011 4:28 p.m.

    Howard

    You're up to 21 comments on this BYU article now - you're obsession really is out of control. Cougars1 covered it pretty well but just a couple of additional thoughts.

    First of all, yes this is the millionth time that this discussion has taken place on this board about why Utah got their invite to the PAC 10 which clearly was NOT because of their national draw or athletic prowess. I already explained why BYU didn't get an invite as have countless others. If you can't understand that, I guess there's nothing else I can do to help.

    As for your theory about BYU getting the ESPN contract because ESPN needed to replace Boise State, all I can say is wow - that's really out there. I don't think there are even any other Ute fans who will buy into that. You really think that ESPN has committed to an 8 year contract with BYU to televise multiple football and basketball games yearly and pay them millions of dollars yearly just to replace a few Boise State games? Furthermore BYU is playing in exactly ZERO Thursday night games when BSU usually played.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 30, 2011 4:09 p.m.

    Howard

    Please list the liabilities.

    BSU? ESPN had a deal with the WAC, of which BSU got less than $700,000.00 per year. BYU is getting $8mil a year and they don't have to play on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, or Wednsday. Apples and oranges.

    The only fact you got right is that Utah was invited to the PAC and BYU was not.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 30, 2011 3:57 p.m.

    @Mountainman56

    For the millionth time?

    Look Mr. Mountainman56 I know the truth sometimes hurts.

    But the truth is that BYU didn't get a PAC10 or Big 12 invite simply because the value of their national draw isn't sufficient to overcome the liabilities they bring to the table for either conference.

    As for ESPN, BYU has a contract because when Boise joined the MWC they couldn't fulfill their commitment for weeknight games because of the conferences agreement with the MTN.

    ESPN needed to replace Boise and BYU made themselves available with their fit of independence.

    I know the truth can be hard to hear, but their it is.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 30, 2011 3:52 p.m.

    So with all that Cougar glory how could it possibly be that the PAC 10 and Big 12 aren't beating down BYU's door to get them to join their conferences?--Howard

    So Howard, how is it that with this glorious invite into the PAC 12 that Utah is a better athletic school than BYU? I will admit that in the last 7 years Utah has done more in football, but basketball?, track?, etc.?, please enlighten us as to how Utah and it's fans(you in particular) can justify vaulting Utah so far ahead of where BYU is based on overall tradition in all sports.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    April 30, 2011 3:18 p.m.

    GoGetter

    I'll take a National Championship any day over a PAC 12 invite.

    If a PAC 12 invite was the end-all-be-all of accomplishments, insecure Utah trolls wouldn't still be spamming BYU articles TEN months after the Utes received their golden ticket and supposedly left the Cougars in their dust.

    What really worries the trolls is, by going independent, BYU is setting the table to steal much of Utah's PAC 12 thunder.

    Utah fans are still more fixated on BYU, than they are their new conference foes. Every jealous Utah fan post on a BYU article, proves that point.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    April 30, 2011 3:13 p.m.

    GoGetter | 3:00 p.m. April 30, 2011

    Mountainman,
    In the last 4 years? I don't think so. Check last year. Not a great way to start Independence hopin for a BCS Bowl, oh wait.. BYU just wants exposure and not a National Championship.

    GoGetter - you might want to read a little more carefully before you start commenting. What I said was that in the last FIVE years, BYU has finished in the top 25, 4 times. We all know that last year was an off year and BYU was not ranked. Don't get too excited though because BYU being out the rankings won't last for long.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 30, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    @royalblue

    So with all that Cougar glory how could it possibly be that the PAC 10 and Big 12 aren't beating down BYU's door to get them to join their conferences?

    Could it be that none of that means anything the modern era of BCS football?

    Could that be the reason that to the BCS Army, Navy and BYU all look the same?

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    April 30, 2011 3:02 p.m.

    Seriously Howard, do we have to go there again for the 10 millionth time? Pay close attention so we won't have to do this again. BYU did not get the PAC 10 invite because it has a no Sunday play policy and is a conservative, religious based institution. Utah got it because they needed another team to get to 12, not because of anything Utah has accomplished athletically. BYU didn't get a Big 12 invite because the Big 12 hasn't invited anyone. If and when they do extend invitations, BYU will likely be a school that is strongly considered.

    The proof of BYU's national following is the fact that they are the ONLY university in the country that has an exclusive 8 year contract with ESPN. There's no need to feel bad about Utah not having the same national following as BYU because after all, Utah is a state school and by definition, any state school is going be somewhat limited in it's appeal to those with no ties or interest in that particular state.

    I hope this clears things up for you.

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    April 30, 2011 3:00 p.m.

    royalblue,

    Pac 12 invites
    Utah - 1
    BYU - 0

    Mountainman,
    In the last 4 years? I don't think so. Check last year. Not a great way to start Independence hopin for a BCS Bowl, oh wait.. BYU just wants exposure and not a National Championship.

    The kicking and trying to stay afloat will waiste energy and a football team down south will soon start to sink.

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    April 30, 2011 2:45 p.m.

    "I may be mistaken but hasn't that argument been the calling card for Cougar credibility since 1984?"

    Actually, if you were paying attention, the 1984 National Championship is only the crown jewel in a long history of accomplishments that have included:

    17 Top 25 finishes (Utah has 5)
    15 National Individual Awards including a Heisman Trophy (Utah has NONE)
    7 College Football Hall of Fame inductees (Utah has ONE)

    A 26 year old national championship is still light years ahead of NO national championship.

    btw, Washington shared their national championship.

    BYU was concensus National Champion (all five major selecting organizations selected BYU as the Major College Football National Champion in 1984).

    Utah has two BCS wins, nice accomplishments, but that's it.

    BYU has been a perennial Top 25 team since 1977 (17 Top 25 finishes in 34 years). The 2000's is the first decade that Utah has had more than one Top 25 finish in the same decade.

    Even Utah's modern era accomplishments can't keep pace with BYU.

    Top 25 finishes in the 2000's
    BYU - 5
    Utah - 4

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 30, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    @Mountainman56

    "...nation wide interest, credibility and draw that BYU has."
    ***********

    If BYU has such an impressive national following why didn't the PAC 10 or the Big 12 see fit to extend an invitation in order to profit from that vast level of national interest?

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    April 30, 2011 2:36 p.m.

    Ok, I know I said my last comment would be my last but Howard, I've got to congratulate you. 18 comments on just one BYU article. That level of commitment to try to make yourself feel better about Utah vs BYU is pretty amazing!

    Yes, BYU currently has the same situation as Army and Navy as far as getting an AQ BCS bid. However, during the last 5 years, BYU has finished in the top 25, 4 times and in the top 15, 3 times while neither Army or Navy have been ranked at all. So does a team that is consistently ranked in the top 25 have a better shot at a BCS bowl than teams that are never ranked? Obviously the answer is yes. But that really isn't even the main point. The main point is that BYU has a national following and will now be seen regularly on national TV and will continue to be ranked high in the national rankings. Utah is in a nice conference but has no where near the nation wide interest, credibility and draw that BYU has.

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    April 30, 2011 2:26 p.m.

    Lesson to live by: Don't jump ship when you have no life-preserver.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 30, 2011 1:31 p.m.

    @Cougars1

    "...they were National Champs.....once."
    *************

    I love it...

    The Cougar Collective dissing the "we won a national championship once... so we must be good" argument.

    I may be mistaken but hasn't that argument been the calling card for Cougar credibility since 1984?

    Or, perhaps you really do think that a 26 year old national championship doesn't mean anything in the modern era of BCS football.

    If so... on that point, Sir, I would heartily concur.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 30, 2011 1:21 p.m.

    @Mountainman56

    "I don't see Utah's odds being significantly better than ASU or U of A.
    ***********

    So Mr. Mountainman56, my friend, how do you see BYU's odds of graduating from the status of mid-major/non=AQ/independent just like Army and Navy?

    "You can't do it and I'm sure there are plenty of other teams that belong" on that list as well."
    *********

    Calm down, Francis... I was just saying that it doesn't appear likely that BYU will be invited to join one of the six power BCS conferences... That's all...

    I'm sure you would agree on that point.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    April 30, 2011 12:56 p.m.

    "And besides, no one would mistake BYU for a BCS team."

    Actually, I'm sure plenty of people will. And I'm sure people will mistake Utah for a non-BCS team. UConn is a BCS team.

    So, if BYU's schedule included Baylor, CU, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Louivile, and Illinois (all BCS teams) instead of the WAC teams, you would never complain about BYU's schedule? I think a better judgement of SOS is how good the opponents are rather than what conference they're from.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 30, 2011 12:54 p.m.

    Howard

    Just a few facts for you.
    2010 2-10
    2009 1-11
    2008 2-10
    2007 5-7
    2006 6-6
    2005 4-8
    2004 5-7
    2003 10-3
    WSU's record for the last 8 years. In 2002 they went to the Rose Bowl and lost to Oklahoma.

    For the record, when Utah travels to Pullman this year, I will be rooting for WSU. You understand, gotta cheer for the underdog.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    April 30, 2011 12:48 p.m.

    Howie,

    One last comment. You said "no one would mistake BYU for a BCS team." Wow is that ever a ridiculous and delusional statement! I know that you all think that being in a BCS conference automatically makes you superior to every team that isn't but you're not even close. Just try making a case that Duke, N.Carolina St., Wake Forest, Baylor, Iowa St., Cincinnati, Conn., Rutgers, S. Florida, Northwestern, Illinois, Indiana, Washington St., Cal., Arizona, Arizona St., or Oregon St. have been more successful in football than BYU, Boise St., TCU or even Utah since the BCS came into existence. You can't do it and I'm sure there are plenty of other teams that belong on that list as well.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 30, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    Howard

    "Now let's talk about Washington State. Washington State has been to the Rose Bowl in this decade. You know, the same decade that BYU has not even sniffed a BCS game."

    You disappoint. Using your argument, BYU must be on top of the world for beating Washington last year. After all, they were National Champs.....once.

    "As for actual facts... The next time you post an actual fact to support your optimism for BYU success as an independent... it will be the first time."

    What you THINK is opinion is fact. Those numbers I posted were fact. Whether you believe it or not, I don't really care.

    "But BYU will have no problem at all on national TV with the likes of Texas, Ole Miss, TCU, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech and West Virginia..."

    Nice to see you giving BYU a little credit for having a tough schedule.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    April 30, 2011 12:32 p.m.

    Howie,

    Nice job, 3 more posts - you're outdoing yourself! However, don't put words in my mouth. I did not say that "BYU will have no problem at all on national TV with the likes of Texas, Ole Miss, TCU, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech and West Virginia..." What I said is that BYU will be playing them. I expect that all of those games will be difficult but I also expect that BYU will win a good number of them, just as they have always done against nationally prominent opponents. Utah will also win their share of Pac 12 games but getting to the Rose Bowl WILL be a monumental task. Just ask Arizona State who has been twice in the 33 years since joining the PAC 10 and Arizona who has NEVER made it. I don't see Utah's odds being significantly better than ASU or U of A.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 30, 2011 12:10 p.m.

    @Cougars1

    Did I slip and lump BYU with the BCS teams?

    No, Mr. Cougars1 I did not slip.

    Now follow closely, I was referring to Utah's 2011 home schedule. BYU is at Provo this year.

    And besides, no one would mistake BYU for a BCS team.

    As for actual facts... The next time you post an actual fact to support your optimism for BYU success as an independent... it will be the first time.

    Now let's talk about Washington State. Washington State has been to the Rose Bowl in this decade. You know, the same decade that BYU has not even sniffed a BCS game.

    Credibility anyone?

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 30, 2011 12:02 p.m.

    @Mountainman56

    So lets review:

    Utah has a monumental task to sniff the Rose Bowl...

    But BYU will have no problem at all on national TV with the likes of Texas, Ole Miss, TCU, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech and West Virginia...

    Classic example of Cougar wishin' and hopin...

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 30, 2011 11:59 a.m.

    @LonestarRunner

    "...you're most worried about a road game against one particular non-BCS team..."
    ********

    Yeah right... you mean a certain team that gets beat on simple blocking schemes when the winning field goal is on the line?

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 30, 2011 10:54 a.m.

    Howard
    "Utah has one (1) non-BCS game on their home schedule.

    BYU has five (5)...

    I'll take Utah's schedule..."--Howard S.

    So, did you just slip up and lump BYU with the BCS teams, or do you really think BYU is on par with the BCS teams?

    Yes, I am wishin' and hopin'. The difference is I backed it up with some actual facts; not just some opinions.

    Please tell me that you just lumped Washington State in there as a better team than any non BCS team. Not that it matters, but your credibility just took a huge hit.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    April 30, 2011 10:43 a.m.

    Howard,

    Thanks for proving my point about the Utes self-doubt and jealousy. You've had FOUR more posts in the last hour since my post. If you weren't so obsessed with trying to prove that Utah is better than BYU, you wouldn't care and you wouldn't be on here but something keeps sucking you in. What do you think that is?

    As for your response to me:
    "I love that Utah is not a mid-major/non-AQ/independent that has the same BCS status as Army and Navy - like BYU. "

    As I said, it remains to be seen which situation will turn out the best. However, climbing to the top of the PAC 12 will be a monumental task and if Utah gets a sniff at the Rose Bowl or any other BCS bowl any time in the foreseeable future, it will be a miracle and you will receive my congratulations and support just as you did on the 2004 and 2008 seasons.

    Meanwhile, BYU will be playing the likes of Texas, Ole Miss, TCU, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech and West Virginia on national TV on a regular basis - I love it!

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    April 30, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    "Utah has one (1) non-BCS game on their home schedule."

    Utah was thoroughly embarrassed by two non-BCS teams last season, remember TCU and BSU, and the Utes barely slipping past a 7-6 non-BCS BYU!

    Having all of those BCS teams on your schedule could prove to be a monumental embarrassment for the Utes.

    Utah hasn't had a road win over a PAC 10 team with a winning record since last century.

    In reality, however, you're most worried about a road game against one particular non-BCS team -- the one on September 17th.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 30, 2011 10:32 a.m.

    Cougars1

    "I believe that BYU is about to make college football global."
    *********

    Wishin' and hopin' again, my friend?

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    April 30, 2011 10:26 a.m.

    "Wishin' and hopin' my friend... wishin' and hopin'..."

    Isn't that what you're doing, "Wishin' and hopin' my friend... wishin' and hopin'...," that the Utes won't embarrass themselves now that they've been invited to sit at the big kids table.

    Will Utah be more like USC or Washington State?

    "Wishin' and hopin' my friend... wishin' and hopin'..."

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 30, 2011 10:22 a.m.

    @uteBusters

    Montana State?

    Utah has one (1) non-BCS game on their home schedule.

    BYU has five (5)...

    I'll take Utah's schedule...

    And so would the Cougar Nation if they could... but they weren't invited.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 30, 2011 10:20 a.m.

    Howard

    One more thing. You sir are the master at wishin' and hopin' with all of your false bravado about BYU football.

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    April 30, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    Time to take a deep breath and back away from the inane banter BYU fans.

    Spamming every BYU article simply proves the insecurity of our troll friends on the hill.

    We do appreciate their obsession with all things BYU, however. Thanks for dropping by.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 30, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    Howard,

    "Actually, you're astoundingly disconnected from reality."--Snack PAC

    Could not have said it better myself.

    Two years ago BYU basketball beat Florida in the NCAA Tournament. It was regionally broadcast. The record was broke for those who viewed the game on the internet.(In other words, those who watched the game on the internet because CBS did not broadcast the game in their area) 2.3 million viewers on the internet. That doesn't even include TV viewers. That is why BYU is a national brand that ESPN is willing to partner with.

    As for your smug comments about BYUtv, let me be the one to inform you that BYUtv is the most watched internationally broadcast station in China. That's right, I believe that BYU is about to make college football global.

    That's why BYU fans are as patient as they are about the whole Independence thing. Nowhere to go but up.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 30, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    @gchris

    "BYU will achieve success on the field and in national recognition. Utah will continue to boast about being in the Pac12 but will be perennial losers..."
    *************

    Wishin' and hopin' my friend... wishin' and hopin'...

    It's really all the the Cougar Nation has... wishin' and hopin'...

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 30, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    @Mountainman56

    I love that Utah is not a mid-major/non-AQ/independent that has the same BCS status as Army and Navy - like BYU.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 30, 2011 9:55 a.m.

    @sammyg

    "... Arguing With Idiots..."
    *********

    It's okay sammyg, my friend. My feelings aren't.

    I understand that when you've lost the argument your only alternative is to attack the messenger.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    April 30, 2011 9:51 a.m.

    howie

    "The Utes choose to stick to traditional Saturday games against real division 1 opponents."

    Like Montana State?

    Didn't the Utes cancel a game against a real D1 opponent to schedule a D1A opponent?

    Just saying.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    April 30, 2011 9:23 a.m.

    Nice job Utes - you're level of self-doubt and jealousy is showing up even more than ever on this article. I mean Naval Vet even crawled out of his hole, although I've got to say, I haven't missed you. I didn't count but I'm sure that the number of posts by Utes on this article far surpasses posts by Cougars. Seriously guys, take up golf or something. It will be good for the body and the soul. I for one don't ever read articles about Utah, don't read posts about Utah articles, and certainly have never posted about a Utah article and life is good.

    Meanwhile, both BYU and Utah have significantly improved their lots in collegiate athletics by going independent and joining the Pac 12. Congratulations to both schools! Which turns out the best remains to be seen but for now:

    I love that BYU has guaranteed bowl games for the next three years - something Utah doesn't have.

    I love that BYU has a guarantee to have all games on national TV - something Utah doesn't have.

    I love that BYU controls their own destiny - something Utah doesn't have.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 30, 2011 9:09 a.m.

    I like Glen Beck's book "Arguing With Idiots". It very much applies to the comment boards.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 30, 2011 9:06 a.m.

    Howard S.

    "If the Cougar Collective is happy with how independence has worked out so far, they must have had some astoundingly low expectations."

    Actually, you're astoundingly disconnected from reality.

    Nobody expected BYU to wrestle the Holiday Bowl away from the Big 12 or PAC 12; nobody expected BYU to have a home schedule filled with big name schools in their first year of independence; nobody expected BYU to line up their own television contract with ESPN.

    But, here we are, only 8 months since declaring independence and already BYU is exceeding expectations.

    If this were really such a bust, you wouldn't be spamming BYU blogs 24/7 trying to convince the world -- BYU fans from all over the country would be complaining.

    The fact is, the vast majority of BYU fans are very pleased with what's been accomplished in such a short amount of time and look forward to things getting even better in the near future.

    In their first year as an independent, BYU has a schedule that will make Utah's BCS-busting 2004 schedule pale by comparison. And, unlike Utah 2004 and 2008, EVERY BYU game will be televised NATIONALLY!

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 30, 2011 9:04 a.m.

    @sammyg

    "Rebuttal?"
    **********

    What's to rebut?

    You think four home games against the WAC is fine, and you hope the WWL gets you a better schedule in the future.

    The WWL has convinced you that Friday games are prime time, and you hope the nation will tune into BYUtv.

    Oh, and you think that maybe someone say something one time about PAC games on Thursday.

    If I could find a fact in there I might be able to rebut it.

    But it appears that without much substance to support your view, you think independence is great.

    Congrats.

    The Utes choose to stick to traditional Saturday games against real division 1 opponents.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 30, 2011 8:52 a.m.

    @Y Grad / Y Dad
    @Cougars1

    "We are quite pleased with Tom and ESPN's work."

    "...things turned out really good."
    ***********

    If the Cougar Collective is happy with how independence has worked out so far, they must have had some astoundingly low expectations.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 30, 2011 8:34 a.m.

    @ little Howie

    The constant drum beating about 4 WAC games is really getting a little old, don't you think? It's been a hollow argument since the beginning.

    Everyone knows that this fall's schedule was hastily put together at a moments notice so post something that reflects some intelligence.

    If BYU's future scheduling is any reflection then it's very obvious the ESPN partnership is delivering very regularly. BYU is known as a quality opponent, teams are open to playing BYU.

    Care to argue that?

    BYU fans want to watch their team. It's being delivered to them and to its extended fan base by ESPN/BYUtv...EVERY game. At this time the Utes do not know their broadcast schedule or CHANNEL. There's a high probability that some games could be missed.

    Rebuttal?

    BYU chooses one Friday night game because of LDS General Conference. You know that. ESPN also schedules quality Friday night games. UCF,TCU are quality opponents (TCU a BCS team) and I'm sure all fans, yourself, hedgie and company are watching.

    Thursday PAC games have been reported as a possibility.

    Am I wrong?

    BYU very relevant and marching in preseason. Utes?

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    April 30, 2011 8:32 a.m.

    Howard S.

    Sorry fount of knowledge, but your crimson-colored glasses shaded message is garbled with half-truths and false assumptions.

    Last fall when BYU announced its independence, folks like you were whining that BYU would never be able to:

    1) Sign a television deal on their own - DONE, 8-year deal with ESPN
    2) Sign a bowl deal - DONE, bowls locked for the next three years
    3) Schedule any decent teams - done, Texas, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, TCU, Ole Miss, West Virginia, and UCF already scheduled, and many more to come

    Your feable attempts to downplay all that BYU has already been able to accomplish as an independent are laughable.

    It may not be perfect, but it's already exceeded the dire prognostications of the naysayers, and BYU is just getting started.

    The truth is, jealous BYU-haters like you are scared to death that BYU may be far more successful as an independent than you could have dreamed in your worst nightmares.

    Can't wait to hear the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth from the naysayers this fall.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 30, 2011 8:25 a.m.

    Howard

    "I understand that the actual facts and circumstances don't support predictions of impending glory so I guess you have to go with the best you have, but I must say that is some pretty weak sauce."

    Actual facts? Like the fact that BYU has never been to a BCS bowl? That is what you keep saying. Well, by that logic in 2003 the fact that Utah had a weak schedule and had never been to a BCS game, Utah was never going to do what they did.

    Obviously things turned out different.

    Let's talk facts. When BYU announced Independence, Utah fans like yourself were saying that BYU would never be able to fill a 12 game schedule without a conference affiliation. Not only did Holmoe fill the schedule, he turned down a 13th game.(which they could have scheduled because of the travel to Hawaii) He also was able to give the fans a 7th home game. Considering that Tom only had 8 months to put together a schedule, things turned out really good.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    April 30, 2011 8:10 a.m.

    @NewMexicoUte
    Not to be mean, but Utah was invited to join the Pac10 because the league wanted enough teams to have a play-off and Texas turned them down and BYU, their obvious first choice, won't play on Sunday and isn't liberal enough. When BYU plays on the road, they fill the opponents' stadiums; when Utah plays on the road, nobody but the Ute fans care--and it will be worse when Utah is the Pac10.2 doormat. The money that each school makes from football is important to the schools' athletic budgets but is hardly a measure of success on the field. After growing pains, BYU will achieve success on the field and in national recognition. Utah will continue to boast about being in the Pac12 but will be perennial losers on the field and nationally irrelevant-kind of like ASU and WSU, only worse.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    April 30, 2011 7:29 a.m.

    @ Howard, Hedge, etc.

    Um, no, the only thing that has sunk in is our first year of independence is shaping up even better than we had imagined. We are quite pleased with Tom and ESPN's work.

    No amount of spin from you will change our minds.

    If BYU is losing this year, then the schedule will not look so good, but all Saturday games would not have made it any better.

    If BYU is winning this year, then our joy will be magnified three ways: 1) winning; 2) winning again and again on national TV; and 3) knowing that "fans" like you will be weekly gagging and wretching.

    By the way, one benefit of a Friday game is the highlights are still pertinent for all the Saturday games.

    Time will tell, and cougar nation can wait. But just barely!

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 30, 2011 12:05 a.m.

    @sammyg

    sammyg, my friend.

    I seems that the Cougar Collective is reduced to attacking the messenger and glorious predictions of how great independence and freedom will be.

    I understand that the actual facts and circumstances don't support predictions of impending glory so I guess you have to go with the best you have, but I must say that is some pretty weak sauce.

    Oh, and going places?

    Perhaps you mean going places like to a BCS conference?

    We'll shall see, my friend... we shall see...

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 29, 2011 11:01 p.m.

    @Cougars1

    "The big boys of college football are the only ones to get 7 home games in a season."
    *******************************

    Really???

    I guess if four of those seven games are New Mexico State, Idaho, Idaho State, and San Jose State, it must not take much to please the Cougar Nation.

    Most power conference teams will schedule a home cupcake or maybe even two.

    Heck, even Utah has Montana State. But, how could any team maintain a shred of dignity with four (yes, four) cupcakes at home.

    But hey, if home cupcakes and WWL Friday night specials satisfies the Cougar Collective... then great.

    As for the Ute Nation, we prefer traditional Saturday schedules against BCS teams.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 29, 2011 10:57 p.m.

    @ little Howie

    BYU loves your comments. It's just proof that BYU is relevant in the lives of so many people, both the little people and true fans. It's part of that World Wide Leadership thing mentioned!

    Pucker up, get in line and receive a big kiss. We love you and with or without you, the Cougars are marching on.

    It's got to be one of the biggest stories in modern college football history, BYU going independent and it keeps unfolding... and not a single game has been played!

    Chapter after chapter unfolds and for those that follow closely (like you and your Ute friends) it just gets bigger and better with each page. It's like a Tom Clancy or John Grisham book and for those that are not true fans I can only imagine the "soul crushing" waves of disappointment and anguish this causes.

    My suggestion to you... get used to it. BYU is going places.

    3 or 4 Friday nights is great as opposed to any PAC Thursday Night?
    ESPN or BYUtv EVERY game. Utes not so much.
    Scheduling that will only get better over time. Utes same old conference foes.
    Freedom. Yeehaw!

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 29, 2011 9:37 p.m.

    Howard

    Regardless of what you may hope and wish for, BYU fans will show up at LES no matter who they are playing. The big boys of college football are the only ones to get 7 home games in a season. The fact that BYU was able to do it in the first year of independence is amazing.

    Before you spout off about Friday night games, why don't you do a little research. You might find out that it is one of ESPN's prime time slots for nationally televised games. Besides, the only ones it matters to are BYU fans. If BYU fans are happy to be the only game on at the time rather than one of 5 or 6 games on at the time, then what do you care? I don't really care what anyone says, I love watching the Friday night games. In fact, when BYU used to play Hawaii with a 10 or 11 PM start time, BYU fans still watched the games. So, maybe what you are saying is relative to the Utah fan base, not the BYU fan base. Maybe the fair weather Utah fans wouldn't watch their team.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 29, 2011 7:54 p.m.

    @Swoop

    "Friday night football is big time."
    *******************

    Friday night is big time for high school like Sunday is for pro football.

    Some power schools will occasionally play a Friday game, maybe two in a season, but certainly not three... and certainly not a 10:00 a.m. start time.

    Seven home games... huhhh... yeah... fans will flock to see Idaho and New Mexico state in the freezing weather of late November.

    But hey... If being the WWL Friday night special is what BYU always wanted to be, then congratulations, good job and well done.

    The big boys of college football will stick with Saturday.

    Oh and btw, you don't know who the visiting teams will be next year. But we do know that with two exceptions they are substandard this year, even with help of the WWL.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    April 29, 2011 7:42 p.m.

    hedgehog

    I'm quite certain that several BYU fans have archived that little nugget of hedgehog "wisdom", carefully edited to comply with the new DNews name-calling restrictions.

    You can run but you can't hide from such "infamous" humiliation.

    It's been "marked down".

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    April 29, 2011 7:33 p.m.

    Friday Sept. 23rd UCF 6:00 p.m. - prime time, exclusive, nationally televised game

    Friday Sept. 30rd Utah State 6:00 p.m. - prime time, exclusive, nationally televised game - BYU ALWAYS plays on Friday on conference weekend

    Friday Oct. 28rd TCU 6:00 p.m. at Arlington - prime time, made for television game in Dallas Stadium

    Friday Dec. 30rd Armed Forces Bowl 10:00 a.m. at SMU Stadium - "tentative bowl game"

    The Saturday games haven't even been announced yet, but at Ole Miss, at Texas, UCF, and Utah are all locks to be televised on ESPN, and you can be certain the Oregon State game will be broadcast by whoever is broadcasting PAC 12 games.

    EIGHT regular season games, nationally televised on ESPN, plus the Oregon State game, with the other four nationally televised on BYUtv. Already, BYU independence is proving to be leaps and bounds better than BYU could have dreamed of being shackled to the MTN.

    Friday night football is big time. Even the PAC 12 will be playing Friday night games; just not on ESPN.

    btw, thanks to independence, BYU has SEVEN home games this season, and the visiting teams will improve dramatically next year.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 29, 2011 7:24 p.m.

    deductive reasoning,

    So I guess you keep a hedgehog file?

    creeeeepy

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 29, 2011 7:13 p.m.

    @Snack PAC
    @Cougars1

    Okay Cougar Nation, let's look at the facts.

    Not what you think, hope, wish, or even pray will happen.

    This is what the WWL has done for (to?) BYU.

    - Friday Sept. 23rd UCF 6:00 p.m. at Provo
    - Friday Sept. 30rd Utah State 6:00 p.m. at Provo
    - Friday Oct. 28rd TCU 6:00 p.m. at Arlington
    - Friday Dec. 30rd Armed Forces Bowl 10:00 a.m. at SMU Stadium

    Let's review:

    Four Friday games, one is one-and-done road game, and one has 10:00 a.m. start time.

    That's it... nothing more... nothing less. Saying anything more than that is speculating, wishing, and hoping.

    Oh, and btw, Friday football is for high school games and high school players. And 10:00 a.m. start times are usually reserved for pee wee football.

    Bottom line is that BYU is the WWL's filler for 2nd tier Friday time slots and their "made for TV" minimum payout payout bowl games.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 29, 2011 7:10 p.m.

    I sure am glad we don't have to wait until November to lay a beat down on the Utes. It happens early so we can enjoy it through the rest of the season.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    April 29, 2011 6:59 p.m.

    hedgehog the voice of reason speaks

    "hedgehog | 11:20 a.m. Feb. 26, 2011
    Just to let you know how confindent I am in a [Cougar] loss today [BYU at SDSU]. I will stop any and all posts on [BYU] articles for the remaining basketabll season if the [Cougars] somehow pull out a win.

    That's how confindent I am and just how painful it will be when I'm back after the game."

    So what exactly have you done since February to prove that your word is anymore reliable now, than it was then?

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but Heaps and company are going to be about as irrelevant to the national media this coming football season as Jimmer and company were in the just completed basketball season.

    See you in September - it will be painful... for you!

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 29, 2011 6:38 p.m.

    Howard

    You are wrong again. ESPN is paying 10 times what they were paying BSU, and they are giving BYU better time slots and help with scheduling. By the way, you wouldn't be talking about the same BSU that played Utah in the Las Vegas Bowl last year? Seems that maybe BSU benefited from that ESPN coverage.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 29, 2011 6:13 p.m.

    Hondo

    The complete BYU/ESPN schedule hasn't been announced yet, but here's the schedule so far:

    Fri, Sept 23 vs UCF 6:00 PM MT
    Fri, Sept 30 vs Utah State 6:00 PM MT
    Fri, Oct 28 @TCU 6:00 PM MT
    Sun, Dec 4 @Hawaii 10:00 PM MT

    These are certain to be broadcast on ESPN

    Sat, Sept 3 @Mississippi TBD
    Sat, Sept 10 @Texas TBD
    Sat, Sept 17 vs Utah TBD
    Fri, Sept 23 vs UCF TBD

    Sat, Oct 15 @Oregon State (rights controlled by Oregon State)

    The other four games will probably be broadcast on BYUtv

    Sat, Oct 8 vs San Jose State
    Sat, Oct 22 vs Idaho State
    Sat, Nov 12 vs Idaho
    Sat, Nov 19 vs New Mexico State

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 29, 2011 5:36 p.m.

    "Honestly, are you capable of thinking outside the box just a little?"

    riddles in the bubble,

    I'm trying. I'm really, really trying. But the facts are the facts. BYU is in no better shape then Army. Same qualifications to reach a BCS game... same lousy bowl argrement.

    I think the bucket of cold water dumped on your head is finally sinking in. BYU is viewed by the American audience/media the same way the view Navy or Coppin St. Irrelevant backwater cannon fodder.

  • Hondo Springville, UT
    April 29, 2011 4:24 p.m.

    @Snack PAC

    "BYU-haters like you are going to be bitterly disappointed with ESPN's coverage of BYU football."

    I'm not a BYU-hater. In fact, I'm a BYU fan, but I am at least a little bit conerned about the amount of coverage BYU will be receiving this next season. So far, I only see 3 BYU games on the ESPN TV Schedule. Where are the other 9?

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 29, 2011 4:13 p.m.

    Howard S.

    When was the last time ESPN lined up a prime-time, made for television, regular season game for Utah?

    BYU-TCU, Friday, October 28th, in Cowboys Stadium, at 6:00 p.m. MT, is the 2nd such made for television matchup ESPN has arranged for BYU in the last three years. Nothing 2nd-tier about it. This is prime-time, made for television game.

    The Cougars have been an ESPN favorite since BYU played in the first ever nationally televised college football game on ESPN way back in 1984.

    BYU-haters like you are going to be bitterly disappointed with ESPN's coverage of BYU football.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 29, 2011 3:58 p.m.

    hedgehog

    "It's scheduled for 10 am Mountain time."

    Honestly, are you capable of thinking outside the box just a little?

    Remember just a few months back when Boise State, a WAC team, somehow mananged to land in the Las Vegas Bowl even though the Utes were supposed to be playing a PAC 10 team.

    Don't be so certain that BYU will be playing at 10 am, December 30, in Dallas, if the Cougars aren't playing in a BCS game.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 29, 2011 3:53 p.m.

    @Trueblue

    What is more likely to occur to the Cougar Nation is that the self-proclaimed WWL is using BYU to fill their second tier programming spots that BSU used to fill and to fill their minimum payout bowl spots that the WAC used to fill.

    That's what the WWL will do to (for?) you.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 29, 2011 3:26 p.m.

    hedge
    Honestly, I think you are the only one worried about the game time. Thanks for your concern.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 29, 2011 3:14 p.m.

    'The World Wide Leader is going to have a lot of BYU-haters shaking their heads in disbelief every time BYU "catches another break"."

    Trueblue,

    Maybe the first thing your World Wide Leader should work on is the game time. It's scheduled for 10 am Mountain time. LOL!

    Honestly, can it get any cheesier than that.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    April 29, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    Howard S.

    "Funny that with all the influence of the self-proclaimed World Wide Leader the best they can do is the minimum payout Armed Forces bowl."

    Influence?

    Actually, the Armed Forces Bowl is owned by ESPN and the bowl had a contract with the MWC through 2013, but ESPN cancelled the contract and gave the 2011 bowl bid to BYU because the MWC no longer has enough historically bowl eligible teams with BYU and Utah leaving the MWC.

    If BYU has a great season, but doesn't qualify for a BCS game, don't be too surprised to see ESPN pulling a few more strings to line up a good bowl opponent for BYU just like they arranged the BSU-Utah matchup in the Las Vegas Bowl.

    The World Wide Leader is going to have a lot of BYU-haters shaking their heads in disbelief every time BYU "catches another break".

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    April 29, 2011 2:05 p.m.

    @CRB

    okay, a rational point, how about a rational counter-point?

    Let's say they start pre-season @ 40. Where do you think a victory at Ole Miss on national television will get them? Followed by a victory at Texas, even if Texas proves to still be down? I'd say crack the top 25 by then. Not sayin they'll win, but if they do, hello Top 25.

    Then a victory over Utah at beautiful LES stadium. Top 20. If they are still undefeated after OSU, top 15, maybe top 10 if the contenders falter. Now comes the drought, but if they hold serve while a few more fall off the leader board, Hawaii is not the slouch some contend. It could happen.

    I'm not sayin they will. I'm prayin they will! (okay, I really don't pray for the cougars. Not formally anyway.)

    It will help if after we beat them, our opponents finish strong. So here's hoping that Utah is beatable in September and unbeatable the rest of the way.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 29, 2011 12:04 p.m.

    @ Howard S.

    How does Las Vegas look these days? Got a standing reservation at the Motel 6 in Henderson? 6-6 or 7-5 might get you there.

    BSU, Nevada, SDSU, CSU, Wyoming, etc. can match up quite well for the bottom bowl qualifier of the PAC-10.2

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 29, 2011 11:06 a.m.

    Funny that with all the influence of the self-proclaimed World Wide Leader the best they can do is the minimum payout Armed Forces bowl.

  • SportsCenter Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 29, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    CRB

    "An undefeated BYU this year is unlikely to make a BCS bowl and unlikely to be in the top 20 given their poor year last year and their likely starting point which will be somewhere between 30 and 45 in the polls."

    Are you really that clueless and delusional?

    Simply beating Ole' Miss and Texas on the road and Utah at home would vault the Cougars into the Top 15 by mid-September, regardless of where they start in the pre-season polls.

    Add to that wins against UCF, TCU and a season finale win at Hawaii, and an undefeated season would guarantee the Cougars a Top 10 finish, likely Top 5.

    Frankly, I couldn't care less which bowl the Utes play in or who their opponent is. Beating the Utes head-to-head and finishing higher in the final polls will prove which is the better team.

  • CRB Woods Cross, UT
    April 29, 2011 9:38 a.m.

    This is no surprise. Many have predicted that BYU's bowl prospects as an independant will be worse than as a member of the MWC. They are now in the Bowl often reserved for the 3rd or 4th place MWC team, can you say Air Force? But that is not the point, BYU's move was a pure money and exposure move for in season games and that will be fulfilled but only if they schedule better than this year. Having 7 absolutely terrible teams on you schedule will not cut it. An undefeated BYU this year is unlikely to make a BCS bowl and unlikely to be in the top 20 given their poor year last year and their likely starting point which will be somewhere between 30 and 45 in the polls. The BEST BYU can hope for has in post season with one loss would be the Las Vegas Bowl, deja vu all over again. It is interesting to note that in the Pac 12, Utah, even if they have a 6-6 record (as did Washington last year) could well make the Alamo or Holiday bowl and play a top 25 BIG12 team. Truth is tough.

  • aggieblue Saint George, UT
    April 29, 2011 9:01 a.m.

    I want to know why HH, Chris Uteforever and all the ute fans speak of money - the crumbs from their master's table, that they will get. Why not talk about how many games the utes will win, and the bowls they will be in. There seems to be a reservation about any claims for the utes.

    Money does not buy championships, ask the yankees, how many have they been able to buy. So enjoy your, "money crumbs" and be subjected to the dictates of the the pac 10.

    That logo is all you have to brag about. Wait til after the season and see where you are. Could be a winning season, maybe, maybe not. Lot of things enter into it.

    I don't wish evil for the Utes, anything for the state, except when they play my aggies, oh wait, they won't play them. Why?

  • Hondo Springville, UT
    April 29, 2011 8:57 a.m.

    @SportsCenter

    I am predicting a 10-2 season for the Cougs. The losses will be to the Texas schools. Mark it down now. I hope the Cougs go undefeated, but I don't see them beating either of the Texas schools.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    April 28, 2011 10:06 p.m.

    A Top 5, undefeated BYU not getting an at-large bid to a BCS bowl would be the death knell for the BCS - a slam dunk case for an anti-trust lawsuit to bring down the BCS.

    The same team Utah fans like to "blame" for starting the BCS would also be "blamed" for killing the BCS.

    Poetic.

  • SportsCenter Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 28, 2011 9:44 p.m.

    Thlete

    "For any confused fans that think BCS is possible, it's not."

    For definition of confused fan, see mirror.

    With Texas, TCU, Utah, Oregon State, UCF, and Ole' Miss on the schedule, BYU will be ranked in the Top 5 and be a lock for a BCS bid if the Cougars finish the season undefeated.

    TCU and Texas will both be Top 25 teams, possibly one or both Top 10, and Utah, Oregon State, and UCF are also potential Top 25 teams.

    Utah State and Hawaii could both be decent, above .500.

    Nobody is going to get too concerned about the rest of BYU's opponents if the Cougars go 8-0 against that group.

    Playing New Mexico State, Idaho, and San Jose State isn't much different than playing Wyoming, New Mexico, and UNLV in the eyes of the rest of the country.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    April 28, 2011 3:43 p.m.

    "For any confused fans that think BCS is possible, it's not."

    If Utah can do it, BYU can do it. Never say never. The door is not closed. I am not predicting a BCS bowl for BYU this year, I am merely saying that realistically it is a possibility, even if many things have to fall in place for it to happen.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    April 28, 2011 3:05 p.m.

    Dear Thlete the Utes are "not" in a merit based system. A merit based system gives EVERYONE a chance to compete, not just the selected few.

    The self-anointed conferences got together and voted in this BCS monopoly. They worked together to get just enough conferences so they could outvote the others. They were not going to let anyone outside their self appointed superior conferences have anyway to be invited. The only reason the non AQ conferences have any chance now is because Congress started looking into this and the University Presidents at least realized they better tweak the qualifications or they would be out of business.

    When you talk about Merit based please research what it means before commenting.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    April 28, 2011 2:58 p.m.

    Let's see as far as the many nearsighted self proclaiming BYU fans the Y should just wait until the last minute and hope someone comes along and invites them to a bowl. Tom Holmoe is being very smart in looking down the road a few years. You have to do that in football. It is not a new start over every year with all 12 games. Those who don't like BYU, no matter what they do, are comical when they spend so much time commenting on BYU articles.

    Contention is of the Devil.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    April 28, 2011 2:48 p.m.

    Dear Brave Sir Robin nice misquote on Heaps. He said they are shooting for the national championship inasmuch as there is no Conference Championship being independent. Nowhere in his statement did he saying they were going to win it this year. Quit looking for the mite in others eyes because the beam is pretty large in yours.

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    April 28, 2011 2:35 p.m.

    flynn is the coolest

    Yep. You hit the nail on the head.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 28, 2011 2:10 p.m.

    Just so you know, the Helecopter Bowl will be televised at 10:00am Mountain time.....enjoy.

    Also the NCAA has put a three year hold on any additional Bowls. So forget about the BYU Bowl game.... not gonna happen.

  • flynn is the coolest Salt Lake City, UT
    April 28, 2011 11:19 a.m.

    How quickly things change. A year ago, Ute fans were outraged that non BCS schools didn't get any respect. Now that they're heading to the PAC, they join in the disrespect. Real classy guys. HYPOCRITES!

  • Thlete Draper, UT
    April 28, 2011 11:10 a.m.

    Talk about devaluing the regular season. No matter how well the Cougars play this season, it's the Armed Forces Bowl or staying home with a sub .500 record. Really waters down the significance of every game past 6 wins. For any confused fans that think BCS is possible, it's not. BYU only has BCS guarantee if Top 2 (NCG) and that just isn't gonna happen for a non-AQ team, we already have seen that year after year. Same as hoping for an at-large bid - no way.

    At least the Utes are on a merit based system where the more they win the better the bowl/reward/opponent they end up with.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    April 28, 2011 9:30 a.m.

    Uteology

    It took LaVell 9 years to win his first bowl game, 12 years to crack the Top 10, 13 years to win a national championship, and 25 years to play in a January bowl. LaVell had many great assistants and coordinators; Chow was only one of them.

    First 6 Years
    LaVell(64%) 43-24-1
    3 conference championships
    1 Top 25 finish: 20/16

    Bronco(77%) 50-15-0
    2 conference championships
    4 Top 25 finishes: 16/15, 14/15, 25/21, 12/12

    Bronco is well ahead of LaVell's pace in his first six seasons.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    April 28, 2011 9:01 a.m.

    Oh well, good job Cougars. Why do we see all those trolls mocking at us?
    !. no more before Christmas
    2. no sharing $$$ pie
    3. yes we can play bcs game if BYU get in the top 6 bs poll (IF Invited)
    4. ESPN
    5. Conf-USA and MWC, at last no sharing $$$ to the mwc!
    Go Cougars!

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    April 28, 2011 1:38 a.m.

    @TrueBlue

    In the same 28-year span, BYU played in seventeen bowls, won a National Championship, won a Heisman Trophy, won sixteen conference championships, and finished in the Top 25 nine times.

    Things can change in a hurry.

    -----------------

    Things can change in a hurry like this...

    Last undefeated season: 1984
    Last top 10 team: 1996
    Last January bowl game: 1996

    Common theme was LeVell Edwards and Norm Chow... two legends. Bronco and Co.? Not so much.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    April 28, 2011 12:52 a.m.

    @Striker
    I have to agree with What Now? You dived off the deep end and are definitely in way over your head in deep water, with your Norm Chow comments. As much as I like Bronco...it should have been Chow at the helm Head Coaching the Cougars. But, that's water under the bridge and Broncho is doing fine... so ...other than a brief mention I won't go there. Rick Knuheisel has to be one of the dumbest and worst coaches ever in College football. Just look at the programs he destroyed at Colorado, Washington and then not turning over the offensive reins to Chow at UCLA. The guy's an obsessive micro manager and his pathetic attempt at the pistol offense which he personally forced on Chow this past season speaks volumes as to why UCLA will be a while climbing out of a hole that Rick and not Norm is responsible for. Even Pete Carrol knows that he couldn't have accomplished what he did at USC without Chow. He just couldn't handle Norm and not him in the spotlight. Have to give Kyle Whittingham and Chris Hill credit for bringing Chow back to Utah...

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    April 27, 2011 11:14 p.m.

    hedgehog | 2:26 p.m. April 27, 2011
    "You do realise that Utah will be taking in more than 750K in bowl revenue by never even going to a bowl correct?"

    I thought you were a Ute supporter? Now, even you think they'll never go to a bowl?

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    April 27, 2011 11:08 p.m.

    I think this works.

    You gotta start somewhere, so I credit Mr. Holmoe with putting together a nice opportunity. Bottom line, win your games and you'll be rewarded. True, some rewards are better than others---but some reward is better than none.

    Good luck Y.

    Some recent awesome posts from our friends in blue:
    "No fan base has been more egocentric, narcissistic, delusional, arrogant, and prideful than Utah fans since the Utes were thrown a bone last June so the PAC 12 could hold a championship game."

    Is that your pride speaking? Or did you take a nationwide poll?

    "when BYU Beats ole Miss, Texas, and Utah.
    And Utah loses to USC, and BYU the laughter will be deafening."

    I was under the impression from these Y fans that it was supposedly Ute fans that were delusional and arrogant.

    "I love Ute fans. They have such fragile egos...Pathetic, sad, life of a Utah fan."

    You'll have to tell me in which way my life is sad and fragile. I'm too busy being narcissitic.

    At least we can count on consistent inconsistency from our friends in Provo.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    April 27, 2011 11:08 p.m.

    How many other teams could work out an automatic bowl bid eight months out? I believe BYU will get to a BCS bowl before Heaps leaves, but even if they don't the next three years are great locations and will extend BYU's recruiting reach in the furtile grounds of Texas, So. California and No. California.

    For those concerned about money, BYU will net more from the Armed Forces, Poinsetta and Fight Hunger Bowl than they did with the MWC shared arrangement.

    As a Texan, I'm selfishly excited that I will get to see BYU play three times in person against UT, TCU and now the bowl game. Yeah!

  • Big Hapa Kaysville, UT
    April 27, 2011 10:51 p.m.

    Cool.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    April 27, 2011 10:27 p.m.

    Hank Pym

    No fan base has been more egocentric, narcissistic, delusional, arrogant, and prideful than Utah fans since the Utes were thrown a bone last June so the PAC 12 could hold a championship game.

    BYU left the MWC because the MTN reneged on television rights promises and Hair Thompson stood by and did nothing. Leaving the MWC was BYU's only option to escape the MTN. It had nothing to do with being narcissistic, arrogant, or prideful, and it's proving to be far from delusional.

    To the chagrin of the BYU haters, Tom Holmoe has already accomplished more in the last eight months than the jealous trolls ever thought possible.

    -Eight year contract with ESPN
    -Bowl games secured for the next three seasons
    -home and home games scheduled with Texas and Georgia Tech
    -big money, nationally televised games arranged with TCU, West Virgina, and Ole' Miss.

    The pieces are already starting to come together and the Cougars haven't even played their first game as an independent.

    BYU, too good for ANY conference? Hardly.

    Too good for the MTN, absolutely!

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    April 27, 2011 10:20 p.m.

    These Bowl agreements arent bad for just starting out in Independence. With their affiliation with ESPN as BYU gains more and more national exposure not only will they increase revunue, they will start to gain more options to bigger and better bowl games. Now of course if they run the table they will be in a BCS bowl or atleast should be. Bottomline is BYU is in good hands with their ties to espn.
    These ute trolls are complete fools, they bash alot of the same bowls they have played in and will likely be playing in the near future. I guess I shouldnt be so hard on them afterall they never were that bright.

  • BYU DUDE Provo, UT
    April 27, 2011 10:17 p.m.

    All you Utah fan's,

    How much of that money goes into your pockets ? until they start paying me some of that money, or start handing out trophies for the most Money a team makes who cares.!

    when BYU Beats ole Miss, Texas, and Utah.

    And Utah loses to USC, and BYU the laughter will be deafening.

    deafening |ˈdefəni ng |
    adjective
    (of a noise) so loud as to make it impossible to hear anything else.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    April 27, 2011 9:55 p.m.

    re: anti BCS | 9:08 p.m. April 27, 2011

    Going independent because you are too good for any conference isn't egocentric, narcissistic, delusional, arrogant, prideful, etc...?

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    April 27, 2011 9:08 p.m.

    Wally West

    Save the dramamine, you're going to need it for all of the spin the BYU-obsessed trolls will be putting out next September when the Cougars punch a giant hole in those over-inflated egos on the hill.

  • Captain Caveman Provo, Utah
    April 27, 2011 8:10 p.m.

    Nicely done, Tom.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    April 27, 2011 8:03 p.m.

    There is not enough dramamine to deal w/ all the spin from fans of the war kittys.

    Dallas in Late Dec is not exactly NOLA or PHX.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    April 27, 2011 8:00 p.m.

    Who needs the Sugar or Fiesta?

  • cheeseman187 Costa Mesa, CA
    April 27, 2011 7:59 p.m.

    "And as we know, no quality BCS team will risk a non confernce game that deep into the season."

    USC does it every year.

  • Katiebugg Salt Lake City, UT
    April 27, 2011 7:59 p.m.

    I like the Cougars in the Armed Forces Bowl. Schools with Honor Codes playing against one another. It seems like a natural fit!

  • man of few words Salt Lake City, UT
    April 27, 2011 7:54 p.m.

    I'm not sure why my fellow Utes are in an uproar over this. Seriously guys, if you don't like BYU and think they are making a mistake, then let them make it.

    I actually have been surprised at everything Tom Holmoe has been able to accomplish. It hasn't even been a year yet and he is covering all of his bases and upgrading where he can. I mean this isn't basketball where schedules are made yearly. Many teams have been tied up in their schedules for several years. I for one am not afraid to take my hat off to him.

    Good luck Cougars.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    April 27, 2011 7:47 p.m.

    1984 for life

    "To qualify for a BCS Bowl, we will need to win every game. Last time we did that ? 1984."

    Which means exactly, NOTHING:

    BYU/Utah football history prior to 1965:

    Conference Championships:
    BYU 0
    Utah 19

    Top 25 rankings:
    BYU 0
    Utah 1 (Coaches only)

    Bowl games:
    BYU 0
    Utah 2

    Head-to-head:
    BYU 2
    Utah 34
    Tie 4

    BYU/Utah football history since 1964:

    Conference Championships:
    BYU 23
    Utah 5

    Top 25 rankings (both polls):
    BYU 17
    Utah 5

    Bowl games:
    BYU 29
    Utah 14

    Head-to-head:
    BYU 29
    Utah 17

    The point, as they say in the world of finance, past performance is no guarantee of future results.

    After Utah won the Liberty Bowl and finished in the Top 25 in one poll for the first time in 1964, it was 28 years before Utah played in another bowl and 30 years before they won another conference championship.

    In the same 28-year span, BYU played in seventeen bowls, won a National Championship, won a Heisman Trophy, won sixteen conference championships, and finished in the Top 25 nine times.

    Things can change in a hurry.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    April 27, 2011 7:40 p.m.

    @ 4:12

    "Norm Chow...was not that successful at either school...".

    Norm Chow was the OC at USC for the 2002, 2003, and 2004 seasons.

    2002

    USC 11-2 regular season.
    USC beat #3 Iowa in the Orange Bowl.
    USC QB Carson Palmer won the Heisman Trophy.
    USC ended up #5 in the BCS Rankings.

    2003

    USC 11-1 regular season.
    USC defeated #4 Michigan in the Rose Bowl.
    USC ended up as AP National Champions.

    2004

    USC 12-0 regular season.
    USC defeated #2 Oklahoma in the BCS National Championship Game.
    USC QB Matt Leinart won the Heisman Trophy.
    USC ended up as BCS National Champions.

    "Not that successful at USC"?

    It is true that:

    Working with Norm Chow can be difficult for players, HC, staff and journalists.
    Utah is taking a chance on using him to help with their entrance into the PAC 12.
    He is at the end of a storied career.

    However, writing a statement that Norm Chow was "...not that successful at USC" is simply not true.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    April 27, 2011 7:21 p.m.

    hedgehog | 2:26 p.m. April 27, 2011
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Arynen,

    You do realise that Utah will be taking in more than 750K in bowl revenue by never even going to a bowl correct?
    ----------
    Finally, a prediction you have a chance if getting right! The Utes not going to a bowl next year!

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    April 27, 2011 7:17 p.m.

    gonefishn | 2:59 p.m. April 27, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT
    Those Y fans clinging to a Dec 30th date as a way to rationalize the BYU bowl situation are either desparate or ignorant. This bowl is horrible it is the Texas version of the New Mexico Bowl.
    BYU has taken a huge step back in this regard. The Las Vegas bowl looks pretty good now, wouldn't you say?
    ===

    The Las Vegas Bowl?

    Seriously, bring that to a BYU article?

    How did the Las Vegas Bowl work out for the Utes against the WAC last year? Wasn't it BSU 26, Utah 3?

    Way to represent.

    I'm still waiting for the banner to be hung outside RES.
    (Quote from Naval Vet -- "snicker")

    ===

    I love Ute fans. They have such fragile egos.

    Ever since they fielded football teams in 2004, 2008, and dropped basketball as a program, they have become the biggest BYU fans. There will be more Utah fans watching BYU praying for a loss than there will be watching Utah games, praying for a W.

    Pathetic, sad, life of a Utah fan.

    (Naval, you were so quiet during Jimmer-time. What's up, babe...?)

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 27, 2011 7:04 p.m.

    "To qualify for a BCS Bowl, we will need to win every game. Last time we did that ? 1984."

    84 for life.

    Unfortunetly that still might not be enough. Unless BYU can magically find quality BCS teams to fill there schedule AFTER September - thier SOS will drag them down and outside of any BCS consideration. And as we know, no quality BCS team will risk a non confernce game that deep into the season.

    BYU will need to START the season ranked in the top 10 and then win ALL their games to have any BCS consideration.

    Sidenote: Auburn started the season outside the top 25. (BCS conference)

    Yes, it appears the knee jerk reactions of last summer are beginning to sink in.

  • NewMexicoUte Albuquerque, NM
    April 27, 2011 7:00 p.m.

    Not to be mean, but I believe that these TV and bowl deals BYU is striking is an attempt not to get left out in the cold and not get left out of being nationally recognized, no matter how much BYU fans believe their football team is respected nationally. The writing is on the wall. BYU does not want to be considered anything less than a national power in the eyes of college football fans everywhere. And definitely don't want to be second best to Utah. That is a fact! You can forget the past 40 years and BYU's 1984 championship, because in this day and age, no one cares and is going to remember that. Ever since Utah was invited and got expected as a Pac-12 member, BYU got angry and jealous and did what they had to do, go independent. If you disagree, why go independent with your football team and not include the other sports, especially basketball? Exactly, BYU wasn't gonna get left behind and become/be Utah's little brother. That is arrogant pride for you. Go UTES!

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    April 27, 2011 6:55 p.m.

    Tom Holmoe is excited about this affiliation.

  • Coug Pleasant Grove, UT
    April 27, 2011 6:53 p.m.

    Judging from today's comments, it's going to be a long off season.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    April 27, 2011 6:39 p.m.

    Get your hotel reservations now for the Armed Services Bowl because one thing is for sure - there is no BCS Bowl in sight for us. To qualify for a BCS Bowl, we will need to win every game. Last time we did that ? 1984.

  • Brent T. Aurora CO Aurora, CO
    April 27, 2011 6:18 p.m.

    Finally reading through all that Football43 nails one elusive fact missing -- the TCU game this year pays big bucks! The AF Bowl is a fallback -- reasonably speaking BYU probably plays in it.

    But as was covered in there somewhere, BYU doesn't need the money aside from paying their way. They have a solid sponsor. And The Church has larger, more relevant goals than $$$ which it already has... a mission BYU can now fulfill better through independence... goals in addition to, and whose worth are totally foreign to other institutions and fans, obsessed singularly with the outcome of football games.

    Really, it isn't about money. Bragging rights in Utah ought not to be about revenue either. Ranking and records... entertaining games... new opponents for BYU entertain... this year's TCU game... Texas game... and Ute games against the PAC 12... it's all entertaining and full of hope.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    April 27, 2011 5:54 p.m.

    @football43

    To put things in perspective...

    National relevant games are played in the postseason in January, where BYU was when Norm Chow was last coaching in Provo.

    What's better BYU as a 10-11 win team playing in:

    Forth Worth vs non-BCS team

    OR

    Vegas vs PAC-12 team

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    April 27, 2011 5:47 p.m.

    Might just be a "money game" football43. You know, like how Utah State takes on an SEC team each year for a very painful, big payout. I feel sorry for poor St Heaps.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    April 27, 2011 5:44 p.m.

    From Vegas .... to Fort Worth.

    Talk about a step down.

  • football43 Morgan, UT
    April 27, 2011 5:30 p.m.

    Just a thought....

    BYU's game against TCU in Jerry Jones palace at the end of October will have more intrigue, national relevence and will bring more money into BYU's coffers than the bowl game Utah gets this year. That matchup will have a bowl game atmosphere. The following year BYU will play in Redskin Stadium against West Virginia. It will be the same type of "bowl game" experience. Look for Tom Holmoe to get several of these types of games lined up over the next few years. The formula is simple. Get a big stadium with a local team (TCU, WVU). The local team brings its 40,000. BYU brings its 30-40,000. You have a sold out stadium on ESPN between two quality teams. It will be an every year event. Big game=big money and lots of fun if you are a Cougar fan.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    April 27, 2011 5:30 p.m.

    Wow! BYU, and independent playing in a bowl against a non-BCS conference team. Sounds like a real move up.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 27, 2011 5:20 p.m.

    CougFaninTX:

    "But wait there's more . . . I almost forgot Utah doesn't get any money from the conference this year. So even if the Utes played in the Rose Bowl (which they won't), BYU will still make $750k more in bowl revenue than the Utes."

    It's been repeated, ad nauseum, that Utah DOES get money from the conference this year. Over $4.6 million to be frank. The only revenue that we won't share in is revenue relative to the Pac-10's current television contract.

    I'll repeat that. Relative to the Pac-10's current television contract.

    So if Utah plays at USC [which we will], if that game is televised [which it could] Utah would be paid the same amount for that televised game as they would have been had we still been in the MWC. The Home team [i.e. USC] would receive the revenue allotted to the Pac-10's representative. Utah will receive the amount allotted to "the non-Pac-10 visiting team".

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    April 27, 2011 5:14 p.m.

    AWESOME!

    The Armed Forces are classy and distinguished...glad to be alligned with them!

  • Superfly St. George, UT
    April 27, 2011 5:09 p.m.

    Blah Blah Blah.... Lets just play football already!

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    April 27, 2011 4:48 p.m.

    Sure, it would be nice to get a bit more money, but as long as there are exit clauses in the event they make it to a BCS bowl, I don't see how it is a big loss for BYU if they have to play in the Armed Services Bowl instead of the Las Vegas Bowl, especially since they actually get to televise their regular season games and keep the revenue from them. What difference does it make in the grand scheme of things which non-BCS bowl you play in? Does anyone even remember who played in the Alama Bowl or the Sun Bowl last year? Unless the payout for the Las Vegas bowl starts increasing dramatically, BYU is coming out ahead of where they were in the MWC, which is about as good as you can expect when you don't get invited to BCS conference.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    April 27, 2011 4:41 p.m.

    hedgehog | 2:00 p.m. April 27, 2011
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Armed forces bowl 750k
    Vegas Bowl 1 million

    Rose Bowl 17 million..

    hedgehog, you forgot to do the math

    Armed forces bowl 750k / 1 team = $750,000 to BYU

    Vegas Bowl 1 million / 12 teams = $83,000 to each PAC10.2 team
    Rose Bowl 17 million / 12 = $1.4 million to each PAC10.2 team

    Since we don't share with anyone, the mighty Rose Bowl doesn't even pay twice as much as a small bowl like Armed Forces. And Armed Forces will pay us almost 10X more than Vegas bowl will pay each team in PAC10.2.

    But wait there's more . . . I almost forgot Utah doesn't get any money from the conference this year. So even if the Utes played in the Rose Bowl (which they won't), BYU will still make $750k more in bowl revenue than the Utes.

    Be patient . . . you'll get your 50% payout next year.

  • ute4ever West Jordan, UT
    April 27, 2011 4:38 p.m.

    Money comparison...the truth! After all these claims, here's how it breaks down:

    BYU: (1) 3 guaranteed ESPN games per year @ approx $1million each. (2) all their bowl game money, $750,000 this year. They get all BCS money, if they ever get there (haven't yet, so why now?).

    BYU guaranteed money = $3,750,000

    Utah: (1) portion of TV money contract in future. Last estimate was around $18 million per team. Utah has phase in period until full member. (2) until full member, Utah gets equal share of championship game, valued at $2 million per team. (3) Once an equal member, shares in Bowl Game revenues @ $2 million per team.

    Utah guaranteed money = $2 million in 2011; when fully phased in, $20 million.

    How exactly do BYU fans keep commenting that BYU's money is better. Even if ESPN picks up all home games equaling $6 million per year, how will that compare to Utah's revenue. Answer: It won't.

    Get over it and go back to the "you can't fill your stadium" arguement...o wait, they have averaged over the capacity for years now? Now what?

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    April 27, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    gonefishn | 2:59 p.m. April 27, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT
    Those Y fans clinging to a Dec 30th date as a way to rationalize the BYU bowl situation are either desparate or ignorant. This bowl is horrible it is the Texas version of the New Mexico Bowl.
    BYU has taken a huge step back in this regard. The Las Vegas bowl looks pretty good now, wouldn't you say?
    ===

    The Las Vegas Bowl?

    Seriously, bring that to a BYU article?

    How did the Las Vegas Bowl work out for the Utes against the WAC last year? Wasn't it BSU 26, Utah 3?

    Way to represent.

    I'm still waiting for the banner to be hung outside RES.
    (Quote from Naval Vet -- "snicker")

    ===

    I love Ute fans. They have such fragile egos.

    Ever since they fielded football teams in 2004, 2008, and dropped basketball as a program, they have become the biggest BYU fans. There will be more Utah fans watching BYU praying for a loss than there will be watching Utah games, praying for a W.

    Pathetic, sad, life of a Utah fan.

    (Naval, you were so quiet during Jimmer-time. What's up, babe...?)

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    April 27, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    Nicely done, Tom.

  • Vegas Las Vegas, NV
    April 27, 2011 4:35 p.m.

    I don't get why everyone is throwing out $. BYU did not go independent to make money, it did it to gain exposure for the University and the Church. All you Ute fans need to face the fact that BYU will always have more money to burn on athletic facilities, scholarships, etc because of the backing by the LDS church. You are arguing about $2 mil, $4 mil, etc. That's a drop in the bucket to the resources that the Church drop on the school. If the church can spend $5B on a mall, I doubt a few million on the football team is nothing as long as it keeps them on top of the U in terms of quality facilities, broadcasting, and scholarships.

  • ExecutorIoh West Jordan, UT
    April 27, 2011 4:28 p.m.

    For all those that are comparing bowl revenue between BYU and Utah, you need to remember that the BCS passes out money to all the non-automatic qualifying schools whether they were in a BCS game or not. Last year $24.7M got distributed between all the non-AQ schools. It helps close the gap between $750K and $2M. The gamble is if BYU makes it to a BCS game (for which they are considered if in the top 14 in BCS standings) then they keep all the money (~$20M).

  • Napolean Dynamite Magna, UT
    April 27, 2011 4:20 p.m.

    Seriously, the more I read the comedy written here, the more I want to find me a bonafide "Quest for Perfection" t-shirt. Those are classic byu treasures.

    BYU Preseason champs 2011! Mark. it. down!

  • Chickenhunter SLC, Ut
    April 27, 2011 4:17 p.m.

    Hey Ute trolls! We don't care bout no stinckin bcs bowls. We are aiming for the NC baby! Been there done that, doing it again! Can you say NC deuce!?

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    April 27, 2011 4:12 p.m.

    "Norm Chow UCLA offensive went 0-56 against BYU, and I believe Utah Norm Chow Offensive scored 6 points in the spring game. "

    I too agree that he has lost his touch. He was not that successful at either school, which is why he was let go. Crowton has done a better job at Oregon and LSU than Chow has done at UCLA and USC. I wasn't intimidated at all when Utah hired Chow. The guy did great things at BYU, but that was when he was at his prime. In my opinion, he has steadily been less effective in time.

    By the way, wasn't it fun to see LA burn down that day? That was one of the best games in BYU history, and I watching with a UCLA fan too.

  • From Ted's Head Orem, UT
    April 27, 2011 4:11 p.m.

    I guess it depends on whether or not you buy into BYU's stated goal of increased exposure as the driving force behind the move to independence. I'm thrilled that BYU has secured bowl games for the next three seasons (assuming they are bowl eligible) and the prospect of playing different programs from around the country will provide plenty of entertaining viewing and lots of exposure for the football team, the school, and by extension the LDS Church. At the same time I have no problem wishing the Utes the best of luck in the PAC12 as their success (other than the rivalry game and possible recruiting battles) doesn't negatively impact BYU's. BYU has scheduled some quality opponents and should they run the table they should gain some national respect and have an outside chance of playing in a BCS bowl. If they have a good but not great year they still have a bowl game to look forward to, even if the payout is less than what the Utes could earn as a non-bowl team. I agree with others in saying that the good news of independence is sinking in here in Utah Valley!

  • utesovertide Salt Lake City, UT
    April 27, 2011 3:57 p.m.

    First of all, it will take time for BYU to get better contracts, but it will happen so don't worry BYU fans. And Utah fans bashing BYU's contract, knock it off, it is a one year contract.

    @blaunch

    Your comment is accurate, but forgets some things: while Arizona, Cal and Oregon State have zero Rose bowl appearances (and zero BCS bowl appearances), Utah already has 2 bowl appearances equivalent to the Rose Bowl. So we are already ahead of them.

    It also forgets that the new format of the Pac 12 will make getting to the Rose Bowl a different path. Don't be surprised if some of those teams that have never had a Rose Bowl appearance finally get one under the new format.

    @flynn is the greatest

    This has been explained before. Utah is foregoing TV revenue from the regular season. Utah will participate in the revenue sharing for post-season which includes TV revenues, bowl payouts, etc.

    Also, don't be surprised if the Utes TV stuff changes. The 3 year tier was developed from $8-10 M TV revenue projections. If they are $16-20 M, will we tier in faster?

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    April 27, 2011 3:55 p.m.

    It's not how much money you get it's how you use it.

    BYU has already proven that they can do more with less, and now they will get more.

    Think about it. Nowhere is it written what Utah's deal is with the PAC 10+2 juniors. More than likely they do not get full share.

    When Utah has regular 6-6 seasons the money isn't going to mean a thing. If any of you think Utah is going to compete in the PAC 10+2 your crazy. I live in PAC 10 country and even ASU is looking at Utah as a patsy.

    Utah was brought into the PAC 10 because they knew that the good years they had were not the norm. And they can live with Utah every once in a while pulling out a good season, but understood that they can't compete for recruits, and in games against the rest of them.

    BYU can create its own schedule and consistently have

  • Fed Employee Lehi, UT
    April 27, 2011 3:54 p.m.

    Since hedgehog is throwing out numbers concerning bowl games I'll throw this out.

    Number of years Arizona has been in PAC10: 33
    Number of PAC10 Championships: 1
    Number of Rose Bowl appearances: 0

    Just because the team is in the conference doesn't mean it will go to the Rose Bowl...ever.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    April 27, 2011 3:50 p.m.

    Gotta love these Utah trolls pretending to be disgruntled BYU fans.

    What's ironic is even the BYU-obsessed haters will be watching every available BYU game this year.

    Worst case scenario - bowl games in Dallas, San Diego, and San Francisco in BYU's first three years as an independent. Compare that to Utah's bowl schedule for over half of the last 50 years (1965 to 1991).

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    April 27, 2011 3:49 p.m.

    h-hog:

    Of the three you listed, which one will tun be in??

  • RoachUte Farmington, Utah
    April 27, 2011 3:47 p.m.

    @Koke

    Spoken like a true BYU fan in denial.

  • Koke Spanish Fork, UT
    April 27, 2011 3:41 p.m.

    Why the arguing and hate. There is a lot of truth stated by both sides. The wrapper is poor, but lots of truth.

    1. Utah is going to benefit from being in the Pac12. True. I sincerely wish them well.

    2. BYU will increase revenues and exposure via the change to independence. Also true.

    3. Utah's team that is expected to suit up this fall is not nearly as strong as some of its great teams of the last few years. Sad, but true. We can expect it to take a few years for them to establish their position in the Pac. I hope they succeed. Whit is a good coach.

    4. BYU had a bad year in 2010, but the 2011 squad looks more promising. Going from the MTN to independence will also take some adjustments and the bowl picture is a bit gloomy for a few years. It will take a while, but should work out. I hope they succeed. Bronco is a good coach.

    5. Whoever makes the most money will have an advantage. Whoever has the best TV coverage will have an advantage.

    6. Good times and bad are ahead for both teams.

  • RoachUte Farmington, Utah
    April 27, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    BYU will never make it to the BCS..............NEVER. The system they are in is worse than the MWC in terms of being able to go to a noteworthy bowl game. I can see the future BYU shirts now "Quest for Armed Forces Bowl" because with the schedule they have now, it'll be difficult to even be worthy to go to that bowl game.

  • blauch Salt Lake City, UT
    April 27, 2011 3:28 p.m.

    Navel Vet, Utefan, Hedgehog.

    No BYU fan is comparing going to the Armed Force Bowl to going to the Rose Bowl.
    But guess what guys? Utah has not gone to the Rose Bowl.

    In 25 year
    USC has 9 Rose Bowl appearance
    Washington - 4
    Washington State, Arizona State, UCLA and Oregon - 2
    Stanford - 1
    Arizona, Cal and Oregon State have Zero Rose bowl appearance.

    As far as money
    Utah will get automatic money every year. So what - UCLA gets automatic money every year and they are awful. In 3 years they have gone 8 and 19 in the PAC10. And the only bowl game they went to was the Eagle Bank Military Bowl. And yes that is how long Norm Chow has been the offensive coordinator of UCLA.

    Norm Chow UCLA offensive went 0-56 against BYU, and I believe Utah Norm Chow Offensive scored 6 points in the spring game.

    BYU will only get money if they go to a bowl.
    So yes Utah will make more automatic money being in the PAC12 (win or Lose)

    But if BYU goes to a BSC bowl then BYU will make much more money than Utah.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 27, 2011 3:28 p.m.

    cont'd ... kickin' fits on your computer each day you read about BYU's continued march to freedom, independence, relevance, recruiting, HDTV, ESPN, and the bank!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 27, 2011 3:25 p.m.

    @ Brave Sir Robin hater

    "Wait, I thought they were going to go undefeated and play in the mythical national championship game this year? That's what Jake Heaps said."

    I'm not going to do your homework for you, you know exactly what he said and it's not what exactly what you quoted. And you knew that.

    @hedgie
    The only knee jerk action that's going on is the kickin' fits you th

  • bigsoccer Syracuse, UT
    April 27, 2011 3:22 p.m.

    All you Utah fans have fun at the bottom of the barrel in the Pac 12, I say you start your season out 1-5, only beating Montana.

  • RoachUte Farmington, Utah
    April 27, 2011 3:22 p.m.

    Wow this whole independence thing is working out really well. I would love a guaranteed invite to one of the worst bowl games ever. We all know that BYU will NEVER make it to the BCS, so enjoy the bottom of the barrel in bowls BYU. Life would be miserable as a BYU fan right now.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 27, 2011 3:21 p.m.

    Solomon the Wise:

    "Fortunately for BYU, the Cougars have enough national cachet to negotiate their own bowl tie-ins without the aid of a conference."

    No they don't. They've been scrambling to find bowl tie-ins since last summer, and the best they could do was line up a game vs. the C-USA #3 team. The Armed Forces Bowl was the bowl game the MWC formerly sent their #4 team to. That's not indicative of "national cachet".

    The MWC is currently negotiating to replace the Armed Forces Bowl with the Hawai'i Bowl. The Hawai'i Bowl gets C-USA's #2 team. Hardly a great matchup, but at least it's better than the Armed Forces Bowl.

    #2 > #3

    Go MWC!

  • bigsoccer Syracuse, UT
    April 27, 2011 3:19 p.m.

    To: Hedgehog, ok Vegas pays 1 million, that you will have to split between 11 other schools, hmmmm, 750k is a lot more than you'll get from that bowl.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    April 27, 2011 3:19 p.m.

    The bowls are all locked up in contracts. Securing this bowl is a great deal for BYU, especially considering BYU is only 8 months from the actual game. Great job Holmoe.

    P.S. Bowl payouts are after expenses. BYU will probably lose money going to this bowl. Those affiliated with a conference will get a percentage after expenses for travel as well as the expense of unsold seats. If you like to watch BYU play, you should like this bowl. If you don't, why are you reading this article or this post?

  • flynn is the coolest Salt Lake City, UT
    April 27, 2011 3:17 p.m.

    Also of note, how much bowl revenue will Utah get in 2011? I thought it was nothing. Even if they play in the Rose Bowl. Possibly nothing for 3 years! Whatever the case, BYU will likely get more bowl money than Utah in the next 3 years. By this time BYU may very well have secured a better bowl affiliation.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    April 27, 2011 3:15 p.m.

    At least we won't be playing the utes because it's unlikely they will be bowl eligible.

  • Chickenhunter SLC, Ut
    April 27, 2011 3:11 p.m.

    This just gets worse and worse! Our football team is playing in the WAC plus a few "money games" against power teams that will probably clean our clock. Our basketball team will be playing a bunch of JV teams in a league that only gets one NCAA tourney birth. UG! Now we have to play in a no-name bowl?! If we lose a single game the football season is over! I am pulling what's left of my hair out!

  • flynn is the coolest Salt Lake City, UT
    April 27, 2011 3:07 p.m.

    I thought BYU was working on securing the Holiday Bowl in the future? Whatever came of that?

    If you add up the payout for the PAC bowls, each team would get a little over $2M- a little better than 2x what BYU gets with current tie ins. If the PAC has someone playing for the NC, that amount turns into ~4M. If the MWC secures an at-large BCS game, conference members get a little over 2M. If no BCS-less than 0.5M. The Holiday Bowl pays ~2M, and if BYU can secure that tie-in, that 2M is not going to be split. If we assume that the current MWC does not get a BCS game this year (BSU and TCR are rebuilding their offenses), MWC schools will get less from bowls than BYU- even if BYU has a junky bowl.

    Hopefully the future BYU bowl (Holiday?) will payout 2-3M, in which case, BYU bowl earnings will be competitive with institutions in BCS conferences. If it doesn't pay that much, good teams won't want to play in it, and BYU won't get the exposure it wants.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    April 27, 2011 3:06 p.m.

    When BYU announced a Dallas bowl game did Y fans realize it was not the Cotton Bowl?

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    April 27, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    Hey hedgehog if Utah is so great let them strike out on the road of independence and see how they do. I'm not sure as a utah fan I'd take credit for something that Utah has had NOTHING to do with and according to national reports will add NOTHING to it.

    Just throwing out some logic.

    And finally all Yutah fans...why do you even care? You're in a great league, great revenue, are you really that insecure that you need to debate or disparrage every BYU article and or event? Hedgie you're the worst. What gives?

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    April 27, 2011 2:59 p.m.

    Those Y fans clinging to a Dec 30th date as a way to rationalize the BYU bowl situation are either desparate or ignorant. This bowl is horrible it is the Texas version of the New Mexico Bowl.
    BYU has taken a huge step back in this regard. The Las Vegas bowl looks pretty good now, wouldn't you say? The school gets more money as an independant but the experience for the fan has taken a maojor hit.
    It is either undefeated or a 4th tier bowl for Y fans.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 27, 2011 2:59 p.m.

    @ute trolls

    I love how you keep throwing around all these revenue amounts but doesn't it sting just a little bit that even with all these supposed extra dollars coming utahs way they will still have lower overall revenue than BYU? BYU was already close to 50% ahead of utah in revenue. utah still has a loooooong way to go to even catch up.

    LOL

  • MenaceToSociety Draper, UT
    April 27, 2011 2:59 p.m.

    Aim high, team down south! Although the Cougar Classic Christmas Bowl against the Big 10 9th place team in the future will be quite the challenge as well.

  • chase SL Salt Lake City, UT
    April 27, 2011 2:59 p.m.

    I am a BYU fan and I think this is stupid.

    A. Armed Forces Bowl is terrible
    B. The anticipation of finding out where you're going is half the fun.

    If Heaps gets suspended for some honor code violation I am officially leaving Cougar Nation. Its getting out of control.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    April 27, 2011 2:58 p.m.

    It's fun to see the hysteria every BYU announcement receives from the BYU-obsessed haters.

    BYU is just getting started as an independent and the trolls are already starting to panic.

    An independent BYU playing in a BCS game and not having to share any of the revenue with anybody is the BYU haters' second worst nightmare. Their worst nightmare, of course, is BYU adding another Waterford Crystal Football Trophy to their trophy case.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 27, 2011 2:56 p.m.

    I'm impressed with how well Tom Holmoe has done in putting together this first season of independence for BYU. I'm sure it has not been easy. With the last piece now in place for 2011 he can now focus on future seasons.

    I do think with the saturation of the bowl market mentioned by John Wilner it would be best for BYU to continue to work on deals with existing bowls. To create a new bowl game and then have to hope enough teams become eligible each year would be a tough road. Being the new kid on the block as bowls are concerned that new bowl could end up having to aske the NCAA for an exemption to get an opponent some years for BYU to play. I don't think that is what BYU wants.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    April 27, 2011 2:56 p.m.

    where's chris b? at least he made some sense sometimes. are we stuck with wedgehog only? can't wait to see if the utes even get in a bowl. don't get your hopes up too high, but then again heaps is shooting for a national championship and the utes?......≥no shooting for anything. glad I converted to a real team and program.

  • sisucas San Bernardino, CA
    April 27, 2011 2:53 p.m.

    I really still can't see how going independent is a good thing for BYU in any way. Who's idea was this? Football has a pretty lousy deal worked out so far, definitely inferior to what they had in the MWC. I'm not sure I'm going to be watching any games this year because I just won't care. As for all the other sports, the WCC is just going to be a waste of their time. I have always been a BYU fan and not much of U fan, but if I had a kid who was getting recruited for sports by both schools I would recommend the U over BYU hands down.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    April 27, 2011 2:51 p.m.

    @ Ute4never
    BYU has just as good a bowl Scanario as your team. You have to win in order to get to the big $$. A 4,5,6 PAC team plays in about the same level bowl as what BYU has agreements for in the next few years.
    BYU gets several million from ESPN whether they go to a bowl or not.
    BYU gets all the money from a BCS game and they have as good a chance as TUN to get there.
    BYU has a clause for all three of these bowls that allow them to play in a BCS game if invited.
    Money is not BYU's primary concern.
    BYU will Earn they money they get.

    Utah gets to ride the coattails of 11 big brothers now in return for lots of Money. Major over achievment and we are all proud of you.

    Sounds like a win for both teams.

    Scenarios are fitting

    hedge
    Realize has a "Z" in it. See my spelling.

    Enjoy the numbers

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    April 27, 2011 2:50 p.m.

    Hedgehog: You are correct. The decision of going independent IS starting to sink in. It is going to be bigger and better than anyone could have anticipated. Wait until around next November or December and you will see what BYU has accomplished and what Utah has lost, because of their respective decisions. I hope it goes better for the U than I anticipate, but there will be no surprise other than gratitude, as far as BYU's position is concerned. Remember what I have said in this post. Until next fall, then.

  • Cosmo Springville, UT
    April 27, 2011 2:49 p.m.

    Don't matter too much anyways. BYU'll be playin' in a BCS game that year anyway.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    April 27, 2011 2:47 p.m.

    Geez, I thought things in Provo was supposed to be getting better. The Armed Forces bowl? This is like the bottom of the bowl bucket.

  • Solomon the Wise Alpine, UT
    April 27, 2011 2:44 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin

    "Wait, I thought they were going to go undefeated and play in the mythical national championship game this year? That's what Jake Heaps said. If management has faith in their quarterback, this bowl tie-in shouldn't be necessary, right?"

    Wrong!

    That's not what Jake Heaps said. What Jake did say was that BYU is playing for a national championship.

    "Brigham Young University has entered into an agreement to participate in the Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl following the 2011 football season if bowl eligible and NOT selected for a BCS game."

    BYU lining up a bowl tie-in as an independent is no different than a conference lining up several bowl tie-ins for the conference.

    Fortunately for BYU, the Cougars have enough national cachet to negotiate their own bowl tie-ins without the aid of a conference.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    April 27, 2011 2:38 p.m.

    Seriously, some of the names of these bowl games are ridiculous. Bell Helicopter? A bowl committee should do what they can to ensure bowls don't sound ridiculous. BYU has connections with some lame name bowl games coming up. If they don't win consistently vs. good competition, they'll never get deals with bigger bowls.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 27, 2011 2:37 p.m.

    Arynen:

    The Armed Forces Bowl pays out the league minimum of $750K. The lowest tiered Pac-12 Bowl is the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl, which pays the Pac-12's representative $900K. Edge: Pac-12

    Utah doesn't need to go to the Rose Bowl to collect 17 million. For starters, it was reported that BCS Bowl payouts for 2011 will be 21.2 million, and whether or not Utah gets invited to one, we still receive a 1/12th share [8.333%] of that sum. And that's in addition to an equal share of the rest of the Pac-12's bowl revenues. So while ybU gets to retain 100% of $750K, Utah rakes in 8.333% of 30.5 million; which is over 2.5 million.

    Utah will also be bringing in another 8.333% share of the 25 million CCG; over 2.083 million.

    Total Bowl and CCG revenues: over 4.6 million.

    By the way, the Armed Forces Bowl is owned by ESPN. So is the Las Vegas Bowl. But despite owning a 1 million bowl game, ESPN gave you the one with the league minimum payout.

    [*snicker*]

  • ute4ever West Jordan, UT
    April 27, 2011 2:34 p.m.

    With the PAC12 bowl tie payouts of over $26 million combined, which is split between the teams....Utah will bring in over $2 million in bowl revenue for just being part of the PAC12, not matter which bowl they play in.

    Compare that to the Armed Forces bowl of $750,000...which BYU keeps to itself. Uhhh, $2 million or $750k?

    The reason Utah hasn't been in the news is because they don't have to work to get a 2011 bowl game lined up, or 2012, or 2013.....they are in a conference that does that for them.

  • Mount Olympus Salt Lake, UT
    April 27, 2011 2:30 p.m.

    Playing against a 3rd place Conf. USA opponent is the best they could do?

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 27, 2011 2:26 p.m.

    Arynen,

    You do realise that Utah will be taking in more than 750K in bowl revenue by never even going to a bowl correct? The PAC12 affiliation to a annual BCS bowl will secure that.

    I think FINALLY the reality of the knee jerk decision of going independent is starting to sink in.

  • che loco Springville, UT
    April 27, 2011 2:25 p.m.

    @utes4n3v3r... Actually, according to the article, the bowl game has a Conference USA affiliation, NOT the MWC. Try reading the article before you post, brah.

  • Superfly St. George, UT
    April 27, 2011 2:24 p.m.

    Great. Why is Utah always comparing themselves to BYU and everytime BYU has news we compare it to Utah? Seems like neither side can do anything without having some contest of who's bigger than the other. This rivalry is outta control. Aren't there enough haters in the world? People, relax. It is a game, you do get that right? Bigger and better things out there in the world than to ALWAYS cut eachother down and constantly critique one anothers every little move. Relax. No big deal.

  • Arynen Midvale, UT
    April 27, 2011 2:14 p.m.

    hedgehog,

    In order to get the $17M, you actually have to be invited to play in the Rose Bowl. Just because the Utes are in the PAC doesn't mean they are entitled to the championship bowl. And through independence, BYU will making around that much every season anyway just through it's regular season schedule.

    Just thought I'd throw out a few numbers your way. Enjoy. =)

  • ute4ever West Jordan, UT
    April 27, 2011 2:07 p.m.

    So the Armed Forces Bowl has ties to the MWC, right? So does the Poinsettia Bowl? So BYU can't quite leave behind the MWC. What a reward for the team this year. They lose their first game to Mississippi and then have NOTHING to look forward to except the 3rd place MWC team in 2011? Armed Forces bowl against who....Air Force? Wyoming? That'll bring the crowds!!

    Meanwhile the PAC12 has the following landing spots for the Utes:

    Craft Fight Hunger (lowest possible bowl...BYU's bowl in 2012)
    Las Vegas Bowl (funny the 2nd lowest bowl in PAC12 is pinnacle of BYU's success in the 21st century)
    Sun Bowl
    Holiday Bowl
    Alamo Bowl (bleacher report projection as PAC12 South winner, but loser of championship game)
    Rose Bowl

    It's clear, comparing the 2 Utah schools, which team's bowl scenerios are better!!!

  • Koke Spanish Fork, UT
    April 27, 2011 2:07 p.m.

    I thought they had already committed to other bowls for 2011 and 2012?

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    April 27, 2011 2:05 p.m.

    What happened to starting your own bowl game? It's got to be better than the Armed Forces bowl.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 27, 2011 2:00 p.m.

    Armed forces bowl 750k
    Vegas Bowl 1 million

    Rose Bowl 17 million..

    Just thought I throw out a few numbers..... enjoy.

  • Hondo Springville, UT
    April 27, 2011 1:59 p.m.

    The Cougs are in the news again! It seems like all I ever read about is the Cougs doing this or the Cougs doing that. The Cougs entering into a new bowl contract or negotiating a new TV deal or winning a top recruit.

    As expected, there is no news from the hill, now, or in the months to come.

  • 3grandslams N. Liberty, IA
    April 27, 2011 1:49 p.m.

    Amazing how BYU has been able to organize their inagural efforts into independence. Thanks Armed Foreces for giving the Cougs a hand on their intitial voyage! Playing on Dec. 30 is way better than before Christmas.

  • bigutefan Las Vegas, NV
    April 27, 2011 1:48 p.m.

    Oh yes, congratulations! Maybe in 2015 the Humanitarian Bowl could be secured as well, got my fingers crossed!

  • Gorum The Old Madison, AL
    April 27, 2011 1:46 p.m.

    Hopefully BYU won't be going to Dallas or playing in December for their bowl game.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    April 27, 2011 1:42 p.m.

    Wait, I thought they were going to go undefeated and play in the mythical national championship game this year? That's what Jake Heaps said. If management has faith in their quarterback, this bowl tie-in shouldn't be necessary, right?

    Or is the reality of not being in a conference finally starting to seep into the water in Provo?

  • Alterego Ogden, UT
    April 27, 2011 1:40 p.m.

    Is BYU taking what used to be an at-large bid to this bowl or is BYU taking a bid that used to belong to another conference?

    I'm sure the BYU athletic office hopes doors open up to larger bowls when participants affiliated with those bowls begin to renegotiate contracts.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 27, 2011 1:34 p.m.

    For 2011, that works for me and probably a few others as well until BYU gets their own bowl worked out.

    Let's hope the Utes can represent the PAC at the Las Vegas Bowl for the first time this year as well. Which hotel are we going to designate in Vegas for the Utes?

  • bigsoccer Syracuse, UT
    April 27, 2011 1:23 p.m.

    I think that a December 30th game is a pretty good deal.