Bluecat82 | 11:03 p.m. Dec. 30, 2011 Minneapolis, MNNo Conference
Will Take Us | 10:38 p.m. Dec. 30, 2011 SEATTLE, WA We signed a
multi year contract with a lame bowl. Everyone is laughing at us. And deservedly
so. Actually, no, they didn't. Next year it's the Kraft Fight Hunger
Bowl in San Francisco. There are worse places to go bowling than the Bay
Area...--The bowl next year is in San Diego. Lame Bowl
just like everyone at CougarBlue is saying.
Ute Fans:Do none of you realize the ONLY reason the U got into the
PAC was because the University of Texas spurned the PAC? If the PAC hadn't been
so hasty in inviting Colorado to prevent Baylor from coming with Texas, Utah
would never have been invited. Utah was pretty much their only option after
that. The PAC had no intention of inviting the U until they were
backed into a corner. They really didn't want you, they wanted Texas, Texas
A&M, Oklahoma, etc. At least BYU knows every deal they enter is
because they are sought after - even if for now the bowls aren't the best,
they'll get better. You have to start somewhere.
Dear Cougar Nation - I for one am glad this year as I will have the chance to
see the cougars twice as I am in the Dallas area. TCU and now the armed forces
bowl. I am also glad that all the rest of the games will be televised now. The
armed forces bowl is just the beginning and this situation will improve. ESPN has a great appreciation for BYU as we helped in a great way to get
ESPN off the ground in their early years. Their televised games of the Holiday
bowls had great media attention as BYU was the offense of the future and was
always entertaining and ESPN loved to televise BYU. Then the National
Championship happened and ESPN was even bigger and better. BYU and ESPN grew up
together to national prominence. ESPN remembers this. BYU and ESPN
have a new opportunity to grow even more. This is just the beginning. Thank
goodness we don't have the mtn anymore.
It's been a while since I've posted anything on these boards, but crazy fans
still ruin an otherwise good discussion.
Elite bowl game? No. But when BYU announced independence, critics said we
wouldn't have bowl games. Ridiculous. There are plenty of bowls that would love
to have BYU fill their seats. BYU has proven it does not need conference
affiliation to work out bowl deals.What does a win at a BCS bowl or
other elite bowl mean? Money, and that's really it. But BYU will be making a lot
more money this year as an independent with their exclusive ESPN contract and
other TV deals. As presently constituted, there is only one bowl game whose
results actually matter... the national championship. BYU is as eligible for
that game as anyone else. Criteria are the same for everybody: Be #1 or number
#2 of BCS rankings.We have bowl games lined up similar in caliber to what MWC
offered. Only now we have the freedom to adjust our schedule, adding easy teams
to increase wins or tough teams to increase schedule strength, as needed to
maximize chances of playing for a championship.Is it going to
happen? Odds are against it, but odds were against it in 1984 too.
@wally westMaybe the biggest problem utah has is that next to wsu
they occupy the least attractive place to go for recruits in the entire pac10.
When they were in the mwc they were in one of the best, behind maybe only San
Diego and perhaps Las Vegas. But now they are in a mostly white city in a cold
climate with little to do for black athletes that care about a night life. Those of us that live here of course love it because it matches most of
us culturally and religiously plus it is a beautiful place but those things
simply are not what most of the California and Texas athletes utah is trying to
recruit care about.The recruiting class they signed in February is
probably the high water mark for them and that should be a concern. They were
completely rejected by every qb they offered a scholarship to, and that was with
one of the worst qb's in college football the only thing between them and
starting plus the supposed allure of playing for norm chow.I really
don't see much but mediocrity from them.
re: Mountainman56 | 12:32 p.m. April 30, 2011 "I don't see
Utah's odds being significantly better than ASU or U of A."UAz
is a program on the rise. The Utes are in a good spot; I don't see Az St, CU, or
UCLA being good for sometime.
What's with all the negativity from Utah fans about BYU bowl tie-ins?For a school that's only been an independent for 8 months to already have bowl
bids secured for the next three seasons is great. This is just the beginning.
Seriously DNews, please put back the 4 comment rule.
HowardWow. You really do take this very seriously. I had heard about
people like you, but this is absolutely astounding.Just so you know,
Tom Holmoe is too busy arranging schedules and doing his job as an athletic
director to be just waiting by the phone all the time. I'm sure you would agree
with that. If the call does come, I am sure it won't be missed, as I'm sure you
would agree.I may wish Utah well because I have some very close
friends who are fans, but I assure you, I have and never will lose any sleep
over what happens with their athletic program. You, on the other hand are the
one with 20 plus comments on a BYU article. Seriously, just say the word and all
of the Cougar faithful will be happy to help you through whatever ails you. It's
OK to ask for help son.
@Cougars1BYU to the Big 12?I'm sure Tom Holmoe is
hanging right by that phone.The call should come anytime...Oh, and about those people who can help... Have they helped you deal with
Utah's invitation to the PAC 12?
HowardIt is what it is. If it is not accurate, please tell us all
how Utah will turn a 0 share into anything. Oh, and please stop with the
speculation until the PAC actually gets a TV deal signed.In 3 years
we don't even know that BYU will be Independent. If we are going to speculate,
then I will gladly speculate that BYU will be invited to the Big12 because of
pressure from Mr. Jones for the Big12 to have a championship game in his house,
and their TV deal will net BYU somewhere around $40mill per year. Wow,
that's kind of fun. Now I see why Utah fans are speculating.The
truth is, I am happy for Utah's new situation in the PAC. I hope they do well. I
am also very excited about BYU's situation, honest, and I am sure that we would
be more rational if we were face to face. This is all in good fun and very
entertaining. Maybe you don't agree, but if you are taking this all as serious
as you appear, then, well.....I know some people that can help.
By hedgie's and howie's "logic"every team in a conference
has equal economic value with every other team in the conference.Utah, with almost no football history before 2004, suddenly went from being
worth less than $1.5 million per year in the MTN to 10 to 20 times that much in
the PAC 12, simply because the Utes had a couple of good seasons???Utah's basketball program is in shambles. Except for women's gymnastics, none
of the Utah's other sports are worth a dime as far as television rights, yet
now, according to Ute troll theory, Utah, Colorado, and Washington State have
the same economic value as USC.Indiana = Ohio StateBaylor =
TexasFlorida = VanderbiltWake Forest = MiamiThe sheer
lack of logic is stupifying.The truth is, without equal revenue
sharing in the PAC 12, Utah wouldn't be getting 1/10th as much as USC.Utah was under paid in the MWC, according to their value.Utah will be
vastly overpaid in the PAC 12, based on the same criteria.Call us
the next time ESPN contacts Utah to arrange a made-for-television regular season
Cougars1Cougars1, my friend, I like you. You are misguided, but I
like you.Now seriously...BYU TV revenue for 2011--$8mil;
Utah TV revenue for 2011--$0Besides not even being accurate
for 2011... it is JUST 2011.But even if inaccurate, I would gladly
take $0 in 2011 in return for a 3 year ramp-up to a perpetual $20 million annual
payout.Oh, and btw so would you...
"BYU didn't get a Big 12 invite because the Big 12 hasn't invited
anyone."Moutainman,Well then. It's the bottom of
the ninth with two outs and two strikes. BYU better get this home run.The biggest question is Y did it come to this? I think we know Y.
HowardDid you even bother reading a recent article about the PAC12
tv deal and how Utah and Colorado were in no way going to carry their weight in
the new conference.But I will play along. BYU TV revenue for
2011--$8mil; Utah TV revenue for 2011--$0. Now we truly know which team carries
Cougars1As the Cougar Collective is fond of saying its all about the
benjamins.Markets ultimately pay the appropriate value for any
commodity including the value of a fan base. ESPN has set the value, and BYU
has accepted the value, of their fan base at something around $8 million (if you
believe Cougars1, who has no direct knowledge).The value of Utah's
participation in the PAC 12 will phase up to around $20 million according to
widely published sources.Utah will be paid their value of around $20
million, while BYU will get their value of about $8 million. Simple
as that, my friends.You can blow milk all you want and say Utah
doesn't bring that value, but it doesn't change the FACT the the market will pay
Utah $20 million.
Mountainman56 What Howard seems to not get is that economic reasons
are BYU's biggest argument in their favor. They literally have at least 8 times
the drawing power of the Utes. Still cleaning up the milk:)
Cougars1 | 5:22 p.m. April 30, 2011 "I blew milk out of my nose
when I read that because I was laughing so hard."Awesome
response! I sure I would have done the same thing if I had been drinking milk
at the time.
Howard"It's simple. The economic value of their national fan
base was less than the their share of conference revenues."Where to start. First, where did you read that? I think that is something you
made up. In fact, I know it is.Second, you can't seriously think that
Utah's economic value is anywhere close to the $20 to $30 million you think they
will get.I blew milk out of my nose when I read that because I was
laughing so hard.Let's share some more facts for you.4 of the
5 most watched NCAA football games on ESPN are BYU games. 2.3 million people
streaming the Florida basketball game on the internet so they can watch it.
Every member of the MWC selling out their bball games because of all the local
BYU fans showing up to watch Jimmer. Football games on the road sometimes have
more BYU fans than the local team. I went to two Las Vegas bowls, and both times
75% of the fans there were BYU fans.I could go on but something
tells me it won't change your mind.
@Cougars1Liabilities you say?It's simple. The economic
value of their national fan base was less than the their share of conference
revenues.You don't know, but you say ESPN has set the value of their
national draw at $8 million. Okay for discussion lets go with that.They would only bring $8 million of value to the PAC 12 or the Big 12, but an
equal share might be $20 to $30 million.You see? Their value at $8
million is less than what the conference would have to pay them.BYU
is therefore economically not worth it to a major conference, so they weren't
Howard If you would kindly reread my earlier post you would see that
I was not dissing on any NC. I was simply trying to make a point through a
pseudo analogy.Dnews moderatorIs that polite enough for you?
HowardYou're up to 21 comments on this BYU article now - you're
obsession really is out of control. Cougars1 covered it pretty well but just a
couple of additional thoughts.First of all, yes this is the
millionth time that this discussion has taken place on this board about why Utah
got their invite to the PAC 10 which clearly was NOT because of their national
draw or athletic prowess. I already explained why BYU didn't get an invite as
have countless others. If you can't understand that, I guess there's nothing
else I can do to help.As for your theory about BYU getting the ESPN
contract because ESPN needed to replace Boise State, all I can say is wow -
that's really out there. I don't think there are even any other Ute fans who
will buy into that. You really think that ESPN has committed to an 8 year
contract with BYU to televise multiple football and basketball games yearly and
pay them millions of dollars yearly just to replace a few Boise State games?
Furthermore BYU is playing in exactly ZERO Thursday night games when BSU usually
HowardPlease list the liabilities.BSU? ESPN had a deal
with the WAC, of which BSU got less than $700,000.00 per year. BYU is getting
$8mil a year and they don't have to play on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, or
Wednsday. Apples and oranges. The only fact you got right is that
Utah was invited to the PAC and BYU was not.
@Mountainman56For the millionth time?Look Mr.
Mountainman56 I know the truth sometimes hurts.But the truth is that
BYU didn't get a PAC10 or Big 12 invite simply because the value of their
national draw isn't sufficient to overcome the liabilities they bring to the
table for either conference.As for ESPN, BYU has a contract because
when Boise joined the MWC they couldn't fulfill their commitment for weeknight
games because of the conferences agreement with the MTN. ESPN
needed to replace Boise and BYU made themselves available with their fit of
independence.I know the truth can be hard to hear, but their it is.
So with all that Cougar glory how could it possibly be that the PAC 10 and Big
12 aren't beating down BYU's door to get them to join their
conferences?--HowardSo Howard, how is it that with this glorious
invite into the PAC 12 that Utah is a better athletic school than BYU? I will
admit that in the last 7 years Utah has done more in football, but basketball?,
track?, etc.?, please enlighten us as to how Utah and it's fans(you in
particular) can justify vaulting Utah so far ahead of where BYU is based on
overall tradition in all sports.
GoGetterI'll take a National Championship any day over a PAC 12
invite.If a PAC 12 invite was the end-all-be-all of accomplishments,
insecure Utah trolls wouldn't still be spamming BYU articles TEN months after
the Utes received their golden ticket and supposedly left the Cougars in their
dust.What really worries the trolls is, by going independent, BYU is
setting the table to steal much of Utah's PAC 12 thunder.Utah fans
are still more fixated on BYU, than they are their new conference foes. Every
jealous Utah fan post on a BYU article, proves that point.
GoGetter | 3:00 p.m. April 30, 2011 Mountainman,In the last 4
years? I don't think so. Check last year. Not a great way to start Independence
hopin for a BCS Bowl, oh wait.. BYU just wants exposure and not a National
Championship.GoGetter - you might want to read a little more
carefully before you start commenting. What I said was that in the last FIVE
years, BYU has finished in the top 25, 4 times. We all know that last year was
an off year and BYU was not ranked. Don't get too excited though because BYU
being out the rankings won't last for long.
@royalblueSo with all that Cougar glory how could it possibly be
that the PAC 10 and Big 12 aren't beating down BYU's door to get them to join
their conferences?Could it be that none of that means anything the
modern era of BCS football?Could that be the reason that to the BCS
Army, Navy and BYU all look the same?
Seriously Howard, do we have to go there again for the 10 millionth time? Pay
close attention so we won't have to do this again. BYU did not get the PAC 10
invite because it has a no Sunday play policy and is a conservative, religious
based institution. Utah got it because they needed another team to get to 12,
not because of anything Utah has accomplished athletically. BYU didn't get a
Big 12 invite because the Big 12 hasn't invited anyone. If and when they do
extend invitations, BYU will likely be a school that is strongly considered.
The proof of BYU's national following is the fact that they are the
ONLY university in the country that has an exclusive 8 year contract with ESPN.
There's no need to feel bad about Utah not having the same national following as
BYU because after all, Utah is a state school and by definition, any state
school is going be somewhat limited in it's appeal to those with no ties or
interest in that particular state. I hope this clears things up for
royalblue,Pac 12 invitesUtah - 1BYU - 0Mountainman,In the last 4 years? I don't think so. Check last year. Not
a great way to start Independence hopin for a BCS Bowl, oh wait.. BYU just
wants exposure and not a National Championship.The kicking and
trying to stay afloat will waiste energy and a football team down south will
soon start to sink.
"I may be mistaken but hasn't that argument been the calling card for
Cougar credibility since 1984?"Actually, if you were paying
attention, the 1984 National Championship is only the crown jewel in a long
history of accomplishments that have included:17 Top 25 finishes
(Utah has 5)15 National Individual Awards including a Heisman Trophy (Utah
has NONE)7 College Football Hall of Fame inductees (Utah has ONE)A 26 year old national championship is still light years ahead of NO national
championship.btw, Washington shared their national championship.BYU was concensus National Champion (all five major selecting
organizations selected BYU as the Major College Football National Champion in
1984).Utah has two BCS wins, nice accomplishments, but that's it.BYU has been a perennial Top 25 team since 1977 (17 Top 25 finishes in
34 years). The 2000's is the first decade that Utah has had more than one Top 25
finish in the same decade.Even Utah's modern era accomplishments
can't keep pace with BYU.Top 25 finishes in the 2000'sBYU -
5Utah - 4
@Mountainman56"...nation wide interest, credibility and draw
that BYU has."***********If BYU has such an impressive
national following why didn't the PAC 10 or the Big 12 see fit to extend an
invitation in order to profit from that vast level of national interest?
Ok, I know I said my last comment would be my last but Howard, I've got to
congratulate you. 18 comments on just one BYU article. That level of
commitment to try to make yourself feel better about Utah vs BYU is pretty
amazing! Yes, BYU currently has the same situation as Army and Navy
as far as getting an AQ BCS bid. However, during the last 5 years, BYU has
finished in the top 25, 4 times and in the top 15, 3 times while neither Army or
Navy have been ranked at all. So does a team that is consistently ranked in the
top 25 have a better shot at a BCS bowl than teams that are never ranked?
Obviously the answer is yes. But that really isn't even the main point. The
main point is that BYU has a national following and will now be seen regularly
on national TV and will continue to be ranked high in the national rankings.
Utah is in a nice conference but has no where near the nation wide interest,
credibility and draw that BYU has.
Lesson to live by: Don't jump ship when you have no life-preserver.
@Cougars1"...they were National Champs.....once."*************I love it...The Cougar Collective dissing
the "we won a national championship once... so we must be good"
argument.I may be mistaken but hasn't that argument been the calling
card for Cougar credibility since 1984?Or, perhaps you really do
think that a 26 year old national championship doesn't mean anything in the
modern era of BCS football.If so... on that point, Sir, I would
@Mountainman56"I don't see Utah's odds being significantly
better than ASU or U of A.***********So Mr. Mountainman56, my
friend, how do you see BYU's odds of graduating from the status of
mid-major/non=AQ/independent just like Army and Navy?"You can't
do it and I'm sure there are plenty of other teams that belong" on that
list as well."*********Calm down, Francis... I was just
saying that it doesn't appear likely that BYU will be invited to join one of the
six power BCS conferences... That's all...I'm sure you would agree
on that point.
"And besides, no one would mistake BYU for a BCS team."Actually, I'm sure plenty of people will. And I'm sure people will mistake
Utah for a non-BCS team. UConn is a BCS team.So, if BYU's schedule
included Baylor, CU, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Louivile, and Illinois
(all BCS teams) instead of the WAC teams, you would never complain about BYU's
schedule? I think a better judgement of SOS is how good the opponents are
rather than what conference they're from.
HowardJust a few facts for you.2010 2-102009 1-112008 2-102007 5-72006 6-62005 4-82004 5-72003
10-3WSU's record for the last 8 years. In 2002 they went to the Rose Bowl
and lost to Oklahoma. For the record, when Utah travels to Pullman
this year, I will be rooting for WSU. You understand, gotta cheer for the
Howie,One last comment. You said "no one would mistake BYU for
a BCS team." Wow is that ever a ridiculous and delusional statement! I
know that you all think that being in a BCS conference automatically makes you
superior to every team that isn't but you're not even close. Just try making a
case that Duke, N.Carolina St., Wake Forest, Baylor, Iowa St., Cincinnati,
Conn., Rutgers, S. Florida, Northwestern, Illinois, Indiana, Washington St.,
Cal., Arizona, Arizona St., or Oregon St. have been more successful in football
than BYU, Boise St., TCU or even Utah since the BCS came into existence. You
can't do it and I'm sure there are plenty of other teams that belong on that
list as well.
Howard"Now let's talk about Washington State. Washington State
has been to the Rose Bowl in this decade. You know, the same decade that BYU has
not even sniffed a BCS game."You disappoint. Using your
argument, BYU must be on top of the world for beating Washington last year.
After all, they were National Champs.....once. "As for actual
facts... The next time you post an actual fact to support your optimism for BYU
success as an independent... it will be the first time."What
you THINK is opinion is fact. Those numbers I posted were fact. Whether you
believe it or not, I don't really care."But BYU will have no
problem at all on national TV with the likes of Texas, Ole Miss, TCU, Notre
Dame, Georgia Tech and West Virginia..."Nice to see you giving
BYU a little credit for having a tough schedule.
Howie,Nice job, 3 more posts - you're outdoing yourself! However,
don't put words in my mouth. I did not say that "BYU will have no problem
at all on national TV with the likes of Texas, Ole Miss, TCU, Notre Dame,
Georgia Tech and West Virginia..." What I said is that BYU will be playing
them. I expect that all of those games will be difficult but I also expect that
BYU will win a good number of them, just as they have always done against
nationally prominent opponents. Utah will also win their share of Pac 12 games
but getting to the Rose Bowl WILL be a monumental task. Just ask Arizona State
who has been twice in the 33 years since joining the PAC 10 and Arizona who has
NEVER made it. I don't see Utah's odds being significantly better than ASU or U
@Cougars1Did I slip and lump BYU with the BCS teams?No,
Mr. Cougars1 I did not slip. Now follow closely, I was referring to
Utah's 2011 home schedule. BYU is at Provo this year.And besides,
no one would mistake BYU for a BCS team.As for actual facts... The
next time you post an actual fact to support your optimism for BYU success as an
independent... it will be the first time.Now let's talk about
Washington State. Washington State has been to the Rose Bowl in this decade.
You know, the same decade that BYU has not even sniffed a BCS game.Credibility anyone?
@Mountainman56So lets review:Utah has a monumental task
to sniff the Rose Bowl...But BYU will have no problem at all on
national TV with the likes of Texas, Ole Miss, TCU, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech and
West Virginia...Classic example of Cougar wishin' and hopin...
@LonestarRunner"...you're most worried about a road game
against one particular non-BCS team..."********Yeah
right... you mean a certain team that gets beat on simple blocking schemes when
the winning field goal is on the line?
Howard"Utah has one (1) non-BCS game on their home schedule.BYU has five (5)...I'll take Utah's schedule..."--Howard
S.So, did you just slip up and lump BYU with the BCS teams, or do
you really think BYU is on par with the BCS teams?Yes, I am wishin'
and hopin'. The difference is I backed it up with some actual facts; not just
some opinions.Please tell me that you just lumped Washington State
in there as a better team than any non BCS team. Not that it matters, but your
credibility just took a huge hit.
Howard,Thanks for proving my point about the Utes self-doubt and
jealousy. You've had FOUR more posts in the last hour since my post. If you
weren't so obsessed with trying to prove that Utah is better than BYU, you
wouldn't care and you wouldn't be on here but something keeps sucking you in.
What do you think that is?As for your response to me:"I
love that Utah is not a mid-major/non-AQ/independent that has the same BCS
status as Army and Navy - like BYU. "As I said, it remains to
be seen which situation will turn out the best. However, climbing to the top of
the PAC 12 will be a monumental task and if Utah gets a sniff at the Rose Bowl
or any other BCS bowl any time in the foreseeable future, it will be a miracle
and you will receive my congratulations and support just as you did on the 2004
and 2008 seasons.Meanwhile, BYU will be playing the likes of Texas,
Ole Miss, TCU, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech and West Virginia on national TV on a
regular basis - I love it!
"Utah has one (1) non-BCS game on their home schedule."Utah was thoroughly embarrassed by two non-BCS teams last season, remember TCU
and BSU, and the Utes barely slipping past a 7-6 non-BCS BYU!Having
all of those BCS teams on your schedule could prove to be a monumental
embarrassment for the Utes.Utah hasn't had a road win over a PAC 10
team with a winning record since last century.In reality, however,
you're most worried about a road game against one particular non-BCS team -- the
one on September 17th.
Cougars1"I believe that BYU is about to make college football
global."*********Wishin' and hopin' again, my friend?
"Wishin' and hopin' my friend... wishin' and hopin'..."Isn't that what you're doing, "Wishin' and hopin' my friend... wishin'
and hopin'...," that the Utes won't embarrass themselves now that they've
been invited to sit at the big kids table.Will Utah be more like USC
or Washington State?"Wishin' and hopin' my friend... wishin'
@uteBustersMontana State?Utah has one (1) non-BCS game
on their home schedule.BYU has five (5)...I'll take
Utah's schedule...And so would the Cougar Nation if they could...
but they weren't invited.
HowardOne more thing. You sir are the master at wishin' and hopin'
with all of your false bravado about BYU football.
Time to take a deep breath and back away from the inane banter BYU fans.Spamming every BYU article simply proves the insecurity of our troll
friends on the hill.We do appreciate their obsession with all things
BYU, however. Thanks for dropping by.
Howard, "Actually, you're astoundingly disconnected from
reality."--Snack PACCould not have said it better myself.Two years ago BYU basketball beat Florida in the NCAA Tournament. It was
regionally broadcast. The record was broke for those who viewed the game on the
internet.(In other words, those who watched the game on the internet because CBS
did not broadcast the game in their area) 2.3 million viewers on the internet.
That doesn't even include TV viewers. That is why BYU is a national brand that
ESPN is willing to partner with.As for your smug comments about
BYUtv, let me be the one to inform you that BYUtv is the most watched
internationally broadcast station in China. That's right, I believe that BYU is
about to make college football global.That's why BYU fans are as
patient as they are about the whole Independence thing. Nowhere to go but up.
@gchris"BYU will achieve success on the field and in national
recognition. Utah will continue to boast about being in the Pac12 but will be
perennial losers..."*************Wishin' and hopin' my
friend... wishin' and hopin'...It's really all the the Cougar Nation
has... wishin' and hopin'...
@Mountainman56I love that Utah is not a mid-major/non-AQ/independent
that has the same BCS status as Army and Navy - like BYU.
@sammyg"... Arguing With Idiots..."*********It's okay sammyg, my friend. My feelings aren't.I
understand that when you've lost the argument your only alternative is to attack
howie"The Utes choose to stick to traditional Saturday games
against real division 1 opponents."Like Montana State?Didn't the Utes cancel a game against a real D1 opponent to schedule a D1A
Nice job Utes - you're level of self-doubt and jealousy is showing up even more
than ever on this article. I mean Naval Vet even crawled out of his hole,
although I've got to say, I haven't missed you. I didn't count but I'm sure
that the number of posts by Utes on this article far surpasses posts by Cougars.
Seriously guys, take up golf or something. It will be good for the body and
the soul. I for one don't ever read articles about Utah, don't read posts about
Utah articles, and certainly have never posted about a Utah article and life is
good.Meanwhile, both BYU and Utah have significantly improved their
lots in collegiate athletics by going independent and joining the Pac 12.
Congratulations to both schools! Which turns out the best remains to be seen
but for now:I love that BYU has guaranteed bowl games for the next
three years - something Utah doesn't have.I love that BYU has a
guarantee to have all games on national TV - something Utah doesn't have.I love that BYU controls their own destiny - something Utah doesn't
I like Glen Beck's book "Arguing With Idiots". It very much applies to
the comment boards.
Howard S."If the Cougar Collective is happy with how
independence has worked out so far, they must have had some astoundingly low
expectations."Actually, you're astoundingly disconnected from
reality.Nobody expected BYU to wrestle the Holiday Bowl away from
the Big 12 or PAC 12; nobody expected BYU to have a home schedule filled with
big name schools in their first year of independence; nobody expected BYU to
line up their own television contract with ESPN.But, here we are,
only 8 months since declaring independence and already BYU is exceeding
expectations.If this were really such a bust, you wouldn't be
spamming BYU blogs 24/7 trying to convince the world -- BYU fans from all over
the country would be complaining.The fact is, the vast majority of
BYU fans are very pleased with what's been accomplished in such a short amount
of time and look forward to things getting even better in the near future.In their first year as an independent, BYU has a schedule that will make
Utah's BCS-busting 2004 schedule pale by comparison. And, unlike Utah 2004 and
2008, EVERY BYU game will be televised NATIONALLY!
rebut?You think four home games against the WAC is fine, and you
hope the WWL gets you a better schedule in the future.The WWL has
convinced you that Friday games are prime time, and you hope the nation will
tune into BYUtv.Oh, and you think that maybe someone say something
one time about PAC games on Thursday.If I could find a fact in there
I might be able to rebut it. But it appears that without much
substance to support your view, you think independence is great.Congrats.The Utes choose to stick to traditional Saturday games
against real division 1 opponents.
@Y Grad / Y Dad@Cougars1"We are quite pleased with Tom
and ESPN's work.""...things turned out really
good."***********If the Cougar Collective is happy with
how independence has worked out so far, they must have had some astoundingly low
@ little HowieThe constant drum beating about 4 WAC games is really
getting a little old, don't you think? It's been a hollow argument since the
beginning. Everyone knows that this fall's schedule was hastily put
together at a moments notice so post something that reflects some intelligence.
If BYU's future scheduling is any reflection then it's very obvious
the ESPN partnership is delivering very regularly. BYU is known as a quality
opponent, teams are open to playing BYU. Care to argue that?BYU fans want to watch their team. It's being delivered to them and to
its extended fan base by ESPN/BYUtv...EVERY game. At this time the Utes do not
know their broadcast schedule or CHANNEL. There's a high probability that some
games could be missed. Rebuttal?BYU chooses one Friday
night game because of LDS General Conference. You know that. ESPN also schedules
quality Friday night games. UCF,TCU are quality opponents (TCU a BCS team) and
I'm sure all fans, yourself, hedgie and company are watching. Thursday PAC games have been reported as a possibility.Am I
wrong?BYU very relevant and marching in preseason. Utes?
Howard S.Sorry fount of knowledge, but your crimson-colored glasses
shaded message is garbled with half-truths and false assumptions.Last fall when BYU announced its independence, folks like you were whining
that BYU would never be able to:1) Sign a television deal on their
own - DONE, 8-year deal with ESPN2) Sign a bowl deal - DONE, bowls locked
for the next three years3) Schedule any decent teams - done, Texas, Notre
Dame, Georgia Tech, TCU, Ole Miss, West Virginia, and UCF already scheduled, and
many more to comeYour feable attempts to downplay all that BYU has
already been able to accomplish as an independent are laughable.It
may not be perfect, but it's already exceeded the dire prognostications of the
naysayers, and BYU is just getting started.The truth is, jealous
BYU-haters like you are scared to death that BYU may be far more successful as
an independent than you could have dreamed in your worst nightmares.Can't wait to hear the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth from the
naysayers this fall.
Howard"I understand that the actual facts and circumstances
don't support predictions of impending glory so I guess you have to go with the
best you have, but I must say that is some pretty weak sauce."Actual facts? Like the fact that BYU has never been to a BCS bowl? That is
what you keep saying. Well, by that logic in 2003 the fact that Utah had a weak
schedule and had never been to a BCS game, Utah was never going to do what they
did.Obviously things turned out different. Let's talk
facts. When BYU announced Independence, Utah fans like yourself were saying that
BYU would never be able to fill a 12 game schedule without a conference
affiliation. Not only did Holmoe fill the schedule, he turned down a 13th
game.(which they could have scheduled because of the travel to Hawaii) He also
was able to give the fans a 7th home game. Considering that Tom only had 8
months to put together a schedule, things turned out really good.
@NewMexicoUteNot to be mean, but Utah was invited to join the Pac10
because the league wanted enough teams to have a play-off and Texas turned them
down and BYU, their obvious first choice, won't play on Sunday and isn't liberal
enough. When BYU plays on the road, they fill the opponents' stadiums; when Utah
plays on the road, nobody but the Ute fans care--and it will be worse when Utah
is the Pac10.2 doormat. The money that each school makes from football is
important to the schools' athletic budgets but is hardly a measure of success on
the field. After growing pains, BYU will achieve success on the field and in
national recognition. Utah will continue to boast about being in the Pac12 but
will be perennial losers on the field and nationally irrelevant-kind of like ASU
and WSU, only worse.
@ Howard, Hedge, etc.Um, no, the only thing that has sunk in is our
first year of independence is shaping up even better than we had imagined. We
are quite pleased with Tom and ESPN's work.No amount of spin from
you will change our minds.If BYU is losing this year, then the
schedule will not look so good, but all Saturday games would not have made it
any better.If BYU is winning this year, then our joy will be
magnified three ways: 1) winning; 2) winning again and again on national TV; and
3) knowing that "fans" like you will be weekly gagging and
wretching.By the way, one benefit of a Friday game is the highlights
are still pertinent for all the Saturday games. Time will tell, and
cougar nation can wait. But just barely!
@sammygsammyg, my friend.I seems that the Cougar
Collective is reduced to attacking the messenger and glorious predictions of how
great independence and freedom will be.I understand that the actual
facts and circumstances don't support predictions of impending glory so I guess
you have to go with the best you have, but I must say that is some pretty weak
sauce.Oh, and going places? Perhaps you mean going
places like to a BCS conference?We'll shall see, my friend... we
@Cougars1"The big boys of college football are the only ones to
get 7 home games in a season."*******************************Really??? I guess if four of those seven games are New
Mexico State, Idaho, Idaho State, and San Jose State, it must not take much to
please the Cougar Nation.Most power conference teams will schedule a
home cupcake or maybe even two. Heck, even Utah has Montana State.
But, how could any team maintain a shred of dignity with four (yes, four)
cupcakes at home.But hey, if home cupcakes and WWL Friday night
specials satisfies the Cougar Collective... then great.As for the
Ute Nation, we prefer traditional Saturday schedules against BCS teams.
@ little HowieBYU loves your comments. It's just proof that BYU is
relevant in the lives of so many people, both the little people and true fans.
It's part of that World Wide Leadership thing mentioned!Pucker up,
get in line and receive a big kiss. We love you and with or without you, the
Cougars are marching on. It's got to be one of the biggest stories
in modern college football history, BYU going independent and it keeps
unfolding... and not a single game has been played!Chapter after
chapter unfolds and for those that follow closely (like you and your Ute
friends) it just gets bigger and better with each page. It's like a Tom Clancy
or John Grisham book and for those that are not true fans I can only imagine the
"soul crushing" waves of disappointment and anguish this causes.My suggestion to you... get used to it. BYU is going places.3 or 4 Friday nights is great as opposed to any PAC Thursday Night?ESPN
or BYUtv EVERY game. Utes not so much.Scheduling that will only get better
over time. Utes same old conference foes.Freedom. Yeehaw!
HowardRegardless of what you may hope and wish for, BYU fans will
show up at LES no matter who they are playing. The big boys of college football
are the only ones to get 7 home games in a season. The fact that BYU was able to
do it in the first year of independence is amazing. Before you spout
off about Friday night games, why don't you do a little research. You might find
out that it is one of ESPN's prime time slots for nationally televised games.
Besides, the only ones it matters to are BYU fans. If BYU fans are happy to be
the only game on at the time rather than one of 5 or 6 games on at the time,
then what do you care? I don't really care what anyone says, I love watching the
Friday night games. In fact, when BYU used to play Hawaii with a 10 or 11 PM
start time, BYU fans still watched the games. So, maybe what you are saying is
relative to the Utah fan base, not the BYU fan base. Maybe the fair weather Utah
fans wouldn't watch their team.
@Swoop "Friday night football is big time."*******************Friday night is big time for high school like
Sunday is for pro football.Some power schools will occasionally play
a Friday game, maybe two in a season, but certainly not three... and certainly
not a 10:00 a.m. start time.Seven home games... huhhh... yeah...
fans will flock to see Idaho and New Mexico state in the freezing weather of
late November.But hey... If being the WWL Friday night special is
what BYU always wanted to be, then congratulations, good job and well done.The big boys of college football will stick with Saturday.Oh
and btw, you don't know who the visiting teams will be next year. But we do
know that with two exceptions they are substandard this year, even with help of
hedgehogI'm quite certain that several BYU fans have archived that
little nugget of hedgehog "wisdom", carefully edited to comply with
the new DNews name-calling restrictions.You can run but you can't
hide from such "infamous" humiliation.It's been
Friday Sept. 23rd UCF 6:00 p.m. - prime time, exclusive, nationally televised
gameFriday Sept. 30rd Utah State 6:00 p.m. - prime time, exclusive,
nationally televised game - BYU ALWAYS plays on Friday on conference weekendFriday Oct. 28rd TCU 6:00 p.m. at Arlington - prime time, made for
television game in Dallas StadiumFriday Dec. 30rd Armed Forces Bowl
10:00 a.m. at SMU Stadium - "tentative bowl game"The
Saturday games haven't even been announced yet, but at Ole Miss, at Texas, UCF,
and Utah are all locks to be televised on ESPN, and you can be certain the
Oregon State game will be broadcast by whoever is broadcasting PAC 12 games.EIGHT regular season games, nationally televised on ESPN, plus the
Oregon State game, with the other four nationally televised on BYUtv. Already,
BYU independence is proving to be leaps and bounds better than BYU could have
dreamed of being shackled to the MTN.Friday night football is big
time. Even the PAC 12 will be playing Friday night games; just not on ESPN.btw, thanks to independence, BYU has SEVEN home games this season, and
the visiting teams will improve dramatically next year.
deductive reasoning,So I guess you keep a hedgehog file?creeeeepy
@Snack PAC@Cougars1Okay Cougar Nation, let's look at the
facts.Not what you think, hope, wish, or even pray will happen.This is what the WWL has done for (to?) BYU. - Friday Sept.
23rd UCF 6:00 p.m. at Provo - Friday Sept. 30rd Utah State 6:00 p.m. at
Provo - Friday Oct. 28rd TCU 6:00 p.m. at Arlington - Friday Dec.
30rd Armed Forces Bowl 10:00 a.m. at SMU StadiumLet's review: Four Friday games, one is one-and-done road game, and one has 10:00 a.m.
start time.That's it... nothing more... nothing less. Saying
anything more than that is speculating, wishing, and hoping.Oh, and
btw, Friday football is for high school games and high school players. And
10:00 a.m. start times are usually reserved for pee wee football.Bottom line is that BYU is the WWL's filler for 2nd tier Friday time slots and
their "made for TV" minimum payout payout bowl games.
I sure am glad we don't have to wait until November to lay a beat down on the
Utes. It happens early so we can enjoy it through the rest of the season.
hedgehog the voice of reason speaks"hedgehog | 11:20 a.m. Feb.
26, 2011 Just to let you know how confindent I am in a [Cougar] loss today
[BYU at SDSU]. I will stop any and all posts on [BYU] articles for the remaining
basketabll season if the [Cougars] somehow pull out a win.That's how
confindent I am and just how painful it will be when I'm back after the
game."So what exactly have you done since February to prove
that your word is anymore reliable now, than it was then?Sorry to
burst your bubble, but Heaps and company are going to be about as irrelevant to
the national media this coming football season as Jimmer and company were in the
just completed basketball season.See you in September - it will be
painful... for you!
HowardYou are wrong again. ESPN is paying 10 times what they were
paying BSU, and they are giving BYU better time slots and help with scheduling.
By the way, you wouldn't be talking about the same BSU that played Utah in the
Las Vegas Bowl last year? Seems that maybe BSU benefited from that ESPN
HondoThe complete BYU/ESPN schedule hasn't been announced yet, but
here's the schedule so far:Fri, Sept 23 vs UCF 6:00 PM MTFri,
Sept 30 vs Utah State 6:00 PM MTFri, Oct 28 @TCU 6:00 PM MTSun, Dec
4 @Hawaii 10:00 PM MT These are certain to be broadcast on ESPNSat, Sept 3 @Mississippi TBDSat, Sept 10 @Texas TBDSat, Sept
17 vs Utah TBDFri, Sept 23 vs UCF TBDSat, Oct 15 @Oregon State
(rights controlled by Oregon State)The other four games will
probably be broadcast on BYUtvSat, Oct 8 vs San Jose State Sat, Oct 22 vs Idaho State Sat, Nov 12 vs IdahoSat, Nov 19 vs New
"Honestly, are you capable of thinking outside the box just a
little?"riddles in the bubble,I'm trying. I'm
really, really trying. But the facts are the facts. BYU is in no better shape
then Army. Same qualifications to reach a BCS game... same lousy bowl
argrement.I think the bucket of cold water dumped on your head is
finally sinking in. BYU is viewed by the American audience/media the same way
the view Navy or Coppin St. Irrelevant backwater cannon fodder.
@Snack PAC"BYU-haters like you are going to be bitterly
disappointed with ESPN's coverage of BYU football." I'm not a
BYU-hater. In fact, I'm a BYU fan, but I am at least a little bit conerned
about the amount of coverage BYU will be receiving this next season. So far, I
only see 3 BYU games on the ESPN TV Schedule. Where are the other 9?
Howard S.When was the last time ESPN lined up a prime-time, made for
television, regular season game for Utah?BYU-TCU, Friday, October
28th, in Cowboys Stadium, at 6:00 p.m. MT, is the 2nd such made for television
matchup ESPN has arranged for BYU in the last three years. Nothing 2nd-tier
about it. This is prime-time, made for television game.The Cougars
have been an ESPN favorite since BYU played in the first ever nationally
televised college football game on ESPN way back in 1984.BYU-haters
like you are going to be bitterly disappointed with ESPN's coverage of BYU
hedgehog"It's scheduled for 10 am Mountain time."Honestly, are you capable of thinking outside the box just a little?Remember just a few months back when Boise State, a WAC team, somehow mananged
to land in the Las Vegas Bowl even though the Utes were supposed to be playing a
PAC 10 team.Don't be so certain that BYU will be playing at 10 am,
December 30, in Dallas, if the Cougars aren't playing in a BCS game.
@TrueblueWhat is more likely to occur to the Cougar Nation is that
the self-proclaimed WWL is using BYU to fill their second tier programming spots
that BSU used to fill and to fill their minimum payout bowl spots that the WAC
used to fill.That's what the WWL will do to (for?) you.
hedgeHonestly, I think you are the only one worried about the game time.
Thanks for your concern.
'The World Wide Leader is going to have a lot of BYU-haters shaking their heads
in disbelief every time BYU "catches another break"."Trueblue,Maybe the first thing your World Wide Leader should work
on is the game time. It's scheduled for 10 am Mountain time. LOL!Honestly, can it get any cheesier than that.
Howard S."Funny that with all the influence of the
self-proclaimed World Wide Leader the best they can do is the minimum payout
Armed Forces bowl."Influence? Actually, the Armed
Forces Bowl is owned by ESPN and the bowl had a contract with the MWC through
2013, but ESPN cancelled the contract and gave the 2011 bowl bid to BYU because
the MWC no longer has enough historically bowl eligible teams with BYU and Utah
leaving the MWC.If BYU has a great season, but doesn't qualify for a
BCS game, don't be too surprised to see ESPN pulling a few more strings to line
up a good bowl opponent for BYU just like they arranged the BSU-Utah matchup in
the Las Vegas Bowl.The World Wide Leader is going to have a lot of
BYU-haters shaking their heads in disbelief every time BYU "catches another
@CRBokay, a rational point, how about a rational counter-point?Let's say they start pre-season @ 40. Where do you think a victory at
Ole Miss on national television will get them? Followed by a victory at Texas,
even if Texas proves to still be down? I'd say crack the top 25 by then. Not
sayin they'll win, but if they do, hello Top 25. Then a victory over
Utah at beautiful LES stadium. Top 20. If they are still undefeated after OSU,
top 15, maybe top 10 if the contenders falter. Now comes the drought, but if
they hold serve while a few more fall off the leader board, Hawaii is not the
slouch some contend. It could happen. I'm not sayin they will. I'm
prayin they will! (okay, I really don't pray for the cougars. Not formally
anyway.)It will help if after we beat them, our opponents finish
strong. So here's hoping that Utah is beatable in September and unbeatable the
rest of the way.
@ Howard S.How does Las Vegas look these days? Got a standing
reservation at the Motel 6 in Henderson? 6-6 or 7-5 might get you there.BSU, Nevada, SDSU, CSU, Wyoming, etc. can match up quite well for the
bottom bowl qualifier of the PAC-10.2
Funny that with all the influence of the self-proclaimed World Wide Leader the
best they can do is the minimum payout Armed Forces bowl.
CRB"An undefeated BYU this year is unlikely to make a BCS bowl
and unlikely to be in the top 20 given their poor year last year and their
likely starting point which will be somewhere between 30 and 45 in the
polls."Are you really that clueless and delusional?Simply beating Ole' Miss and Texas on the road and Utah at home would vault
the Cougars into the Top 15 by mid-September, regardless of where they start in
the pre-season polls.Add to that wins against UCF, TCU and a season
finale win at Hawaii, and an undefeated season would guarantee the Cougars a Top
10 finish, likely Top 5.Frankly, I couldn't care less which bowl the
Utes play in or who their opponent is. Beating the Utes head-to-head and
finishing higher in the final polls will prove which is the better team.
This is no surprise. Many have predicted that BYU's bowl prospects as an
independant will be worse than as a member of the MWC. They are now in the Bowl
often reserved for the 3rd or 4th place MWC team, can you say Air Force? But
that is not the point, BYU's move was a pure money and exposure move for in
season games and that will be fulfilled but only if they schedule better than
this year. Having 7 absolutely terrible teams on you schedule will not cut it.
An undefeated BYU this year is unlikely to make a BCS bowl and unlikely to be in
the top 20 given their poor year last year and their likely starting point which
will be somewhere between 30 and 45 in the polls. The BEST BYU can hope for has
in post season with one loss would be the Las Vegas Bowl, deja vu all over
again. It is interesting to note that in the Pac 12, Utah, even if they have a
6-6 record (as did Washington last year) could well make the Alamo or Holiday
bowl and play a top 25 BIG12 team. Truth is tough.
I want to know why HH, Chris Uteforever and all the ute fans speak of money -
the crumbs from their master's table, that they will get. Why not talk about how
many games the utes will win, and the bowls they will be in. There seems to be a
reservation about any claims for the utes.Money does not buy
championships, ask the yankees, how many have they been able to buy. So enjoy
your, "money crumbs" and be subjected to the dictates of the the pac
10.That logo is all you have to brag about. Wait til after the
season and see where you are. Could be a winning season, maybe, maybe not. Lot
of things enter into it.I don't wish evil for the Utes, anything
for the state, except when they play my aggies, oh wait, they won't play them.
@SportsCenterI am predicting a 10-2 season for the Cougs. The
losses will be to the Texas schools. Mark it down now. I hope the Cougs go
undefeated, but I don't see them beating either of the Texas schools.
A Top 5, undefeated BYU not getting an at-large bid to a BCS bowl would be the
death knell for the BCS - a slam dunk case for an anti-trust lawsuit to bring
down the BCS.The same team Utah fans like to "blame" for
starting the BCS would also be "blamed" for killing the BCS.Poetic.
Thlete"For any confused fans that think BCS is possible, it's
not."For definition of confused fan, see mirror.With Texas, TCU, Utah, Oregon State, UCF, and Ole' Miss on the schedule, BYU
will be ranked in the Top 5 and be a lock for a BCS bid if the Cougars finish
the season undefeated.TCU and Texas will both be Top 25 teams,
possibly one or both Top 10, and Utah, Oregon State, and UCF are also potential
Top 25 teams. Utah State and Hawaii could both be decent, above
.500.Nobody is going to get too concerned about the rest of BYU's
opponents if the Cougars go 8-0 against that group. Playing New
Mexico State, Idaho, and San Jose State isn't much different than playing
Wyoming, New Mexico, and UNLV in the eyes of the rest of the country.
"For any confused fans that think BCS is possible, it's not."If Utah can do it, BYU can do it. Never say never. The door is not closed.
I am not predicting a BCS bowl for BYU this year, I am merely saying that
realistically it is a possibility, even if many things have to fall in place for
it to happen.
Dear Thlete the Utes are "not" in a merit based system. A merit based
system gives EVERYONE a chance to compete, not just the selected few. The self-anointed conferences got together and voted in this BCS monopoly.
They worked together to get just enough conferences so they could outvote the
others. They were not going to let anyone outside their self appointed superior
conferences have anyway to be invited. The only reason the non AQ conferences
have any chance now is because Congress started looking into this and the
University Presidents at least realized they better tweak the qualifications or
they would be out of business. When you talk about Merit based
please research what it means before commenting.
Let's see as far as the many nearsighted self proclaiming BYU fans the Y should
just wait until the last minute and hope someone comes along and invites them to
a bowl. Tom Holmoe is being very smart in looking down the road a few years.
You have to do that in football. It is not a new start over every year with all
12 games. Those who don't like BYU, no matter what they do, are comical when
they spend so much time commenting on BYU articles. Contention is
of the Devil.
Dear Brave Sir Robin nice misquote on Heaps. He said they are shooting for the
national championship inasmuch as there is no Conference Championship being
independent. Nowhere in his statement did he saying they were going to win it
this year. Quit looking for the mite in others eyes because the beam is pretty
large in yours.
flynn is the coolestYep. You hit the nail on the head.
Just so you know, the Helecopter Bowl will be televised at 10:00am Mountain
time.....enjoy.Also the NCAA has put a three year hold on any
additional Bowls. So forget about the BYU Bowl game.... not gonna happen.
How quickly things change. A year ago, Ute fans were outraged that non BCS
schools didn't get any respect. Now that they're heading to the PAC, they join
in the disrespect. Real classy guys. HYPOCRITES!
Talk about devaluing the regular season. No matter how well the Cougars play
this season, it's the Armed Forces Bowl or staying home with a sub .500 record.
Really waters down the significance of every game past 6 wins. For any confused
fans that think BCS is possible, it's not. BYU only has BCS guarantee if Top 2
(NCG) and that just isn't gonna happen for a non-AQ team, we already have seen
that year after year. Same as hoping for an at-large bid - no way.At least the Utes are on a merit based system where the more they win the
better the bowl/reward/opponent they end up with.
UteologyIt took LaVell 9 years to win his first bowl game, 12 years
to crack the Top 10, 13 years to win a national championship, and 25 years to
play in a January bowl. LaVell had many great assistants and coordinators; Chow
was only one of them.First 6 YearsLaVell(64%) 43-24-13
conference championships 1 Top 25 finish: 20/16Bronco(77%)
50-15-0 2 conference championships4 Top 25 finishes: 16/15, 14/15,
25/21, 12/12Bronco is well ahead of LaVell's pace in his first six
Oh well, good job Cougars. Why do we see all those trolls mocking at us?!.
no more before Christmas2. no sharing $$$ pie3. yes we can play bcs
game if BYU get in the top 6 bs poll (IF Invited)4. ESPN5. Conf-USA
and MWC, at last no sharing $$$ to the mwc!Go Cougars!
@TrueBlueIn the same 28-year span, BYU played in seventeen bowls,
won a National Championship, won a Heisman Trophy, won sixteen conference
championships, and finished in the Top 25 nine times.Things can
change in a hurry. -----------------Things can change in
a hurry like this...Last undefeated season: 1984Last top 10
team: 1996Last January bowl game: 1996Common theme was LeVell
Edwards and Norm Chow... two legends. Bronco and Co.? Not so much.
@StrikerI have to agree with What Now? You dived off the deep end and are
definitely in way over your head in deep water, with your Norm Chow comments. As
much as I like Bronco...it should have been Chow at the helm Head Coaching the
Cougars. But, that's water under the bridge and Broncho is doing fine... so
...other than a brief mention I won't go there. Rick Knuheisel has to be one of
the dumbest and worst coaches ever in College football. Just look at the
programs he destroyed at Colorado, Washington and then not turning over the
offensive reins to Chow at UCLA. The guy's an obsessive micro manager and his
pathetic attempt at the pistol offense which he personally forced on Chow this
past season speaks volumes as to why UCLA will be a while climbing out of a hole
that Rick and not Norm is responsible for. Even Pete Carrol knows that he
couldn't have accomplished what he did at USC without Chow. He just couldn't
handle Norm and not him in the spotlight. Have to give Kyle Whittingham and
Chris Hill credit for bringing Chow back to Utah...
hedgehog | 2:26 p.m. April 27, 2011 "You do realise that Utah will be
taking in more than 750K in bowl revenue by never even going to a bowl
correct?"I thought you were a Ute supporter? Now, even you
think they'll never go to a bowl?
I think this works.You gotta start somewhere, so I credit Mr. Holmoe
with putting together a nice opportunity. Bottom line, win your games and you'll
be rewarded. True, some rewards are better than others---but some reward is
better than none.Good luck Y.Some recent awesome posts
from our friends in blue:"No fan base has been more egocentric,
narcissistic, delusional, arrogant, and prideful than Utah fans since the Utes
were thrown a bone last June so the PAC 12 could hold a championship
game."Is that your pride speaking? Or did you take a nationwide
poll?"when BYU Beats ole Miss, Texas, and Utah.And Utah
loses to USC, and BYU the laughter will be deafening."I was
under the impression from these Y fans that it was supposedly Ute fans that were
delusional and arrogant."I love Ute fans. They have such
fragile egos...Pathetic, sad, life of a Utah fan."You'll have
to tell me in which way my life is sad and fragile. I'm too busy being
narcissitic.At least we can count on consistent inconsistency from
our friends in Provo.
How many other teams could work out an automatic bowl bid eight months out? I
believe BYU will get to a BCS bowl before Heaps leaves, but even if they don't
the next three years are great locations and will extend BYU's recruiting reach
in the furtile grounds of Texas, So. California and No. California.For those concerned about money, BYU will net more from the Armed Forces,
Poinsetta and Fight Hunger Bowl than they did with the MWC shared
arrangement.As a Texan, I'm selfishly excited that I will get to see
BYU play three times in person against UT, TCU and now the bowl game. Yeah!
Hank PymNo fan base has been more egocentric, narcissistic,
delusional, arrogant, and prideful than Utah fans since the Utes were thrown a
bone last June so the PAC 12 could hold a championship game.BYU left
the MWC because the MTN reneged on television rights promises and Hair Thompson
stood by and did nothing. Leaving the MWC was BYU's only option to escape the
MTN. It had nothing to do with being narcissistic, arrogant, or prideful, and
it's proving to be far from delusional.To the chagrin of the BYU
haters, Tom Holmoe has already accomplished more in the last eight months than
the jealous trolls ever thought possible.-Eight year contract with
ESPN-Bowl games secured for the next three seasons-home and home
games scheduled with Texas and Georgia Tech-big money, nationally
televised games arranged with TCU, West Virgina, and Ole' Miss.The
pieces are already starting to come together and the Cougars haven't even played
their first game as an independent.BYU, too good for ANY conference?
Hardly.Too good for the MTN, absolutely!
These Bowl agreements arent bad for just starting out in Independence. With
their affiliation with ESPN as BYU gains more and more national exposure not
only will they increase revunue, they will start to gain more options to bigger
and better bowl games. Now of course if they run the table they will be in a
BCS bowl or atleast should be. Bottomline is BYU is in good hands with their
ties to espn. These ute trolls are complete fools, they bash alot of the
same bowls they have played in and will likely be playing in the near future. I
guess I shouldnt be so hard on them afterall they never were that bright.
All you Utah fan's,How much of that money goes into your pockets ?
until they start paying me some of that money, or start handing out trophies for
the most Money a team makes who cares.!when BYU Beats ole Miss,
Texas, and Utah.And Utah loses to USC, and BYU the laughter will be
deafening. deafening |ˈdefəni ng |adjective(of a noise) so loud as to make it impossible to hear anything
re: anti BCS | 9:08 p.m. April 27, 2011 Going independent because
you are too good for any conference isn't egocentric, narcissistic, delusional,
arrogant, prideful, etc...?
Wally WestSave the dramamine, you're going to need it for all of the
spin the BYU-obsessed trolls will be putting out next September when the Cougars
punch a giant hole in those over-inflated egos on the hill.
Nicely done, Tom.
There is not enough dramamine to deal w/ all the spin from fans of the war
kittys.Dallas in Late Dec is not exactly NOLA or PHX.
Who needs the Sugar or Fiesta?
"And as we know, no quality BCS team will risk a non confernce game that
deep into the season."USC does it every year.
I like the Cougars in the Armed Forces Bowl. Schools with Honor Codes playing
against one another. It seems like a natural fit!
I'm not sure why my fellow Utes are in an uproar over this. Seriously guys, if
you don't like BYU and think they are making a mistake, then let them make
it.I actually have been surprised at everything Tom Holmoe has been
able to accomplish. It hasn't even been a year yet and he is covering all of his
bases and upgrading where he can. I mean this isn't basketball where schedules
are made yearly. Many teams have been tied up in their schedules for several
years. I for one am not afraid to take my hat off to him. Good luck
1984 for life "To qualify for a BCS Bowl, we will need to win
every game. Last time we did that ? 1984."Which means exactly,
NOTHING:BYU/Utah football history prior to 1965:Conference Championships:BYU 0Utah 19Top 25
rankings:BYU 0Utah 1 (Coaches only)Bowl games:BYU
0Utah 2Head-to-head: BYU 2Utah 34Tie 4BYU/Utah football history since 1964:Conference
Championships:BYU 23Utah 5Top 25 rankings (both
polls):BYU 17Utah 5Bowl games:BYU 29Utah
14Head-to-head:BYU 29Utah 17The point, as
they say in the world of finance, past performance is no guarantee of future
results.After Utah won the Liberty Bowl and finished in the Top 25
in one poll for the first time in 1964, it was 28 years before Utah played in
another bowl and 30 years before they won another conference championship.In the same 28-year span, BYU played in seventeen bowls, won a National
Championship, won a Heisman Trophy, won sixteen conference championships, and
finished in the Top 25 nine times.Things can change in a hurry.
@ 4:12"Norm Chow...was not that successful at either
school...".Norm Chow was the OC at USC for the 2002, 2003, and
2004 seasons.2002USC 11-2 regular season.USC beat
#3 Iowa in the Orange Bowl.USC QB Carson Palmer won the Heisman Trophy.USC ended up #5 in the BCS Rankings.2003USC 11-1
regular season.USC defeated #4 Michigan in the Rose Bowl.USC ended
up as AP National Champions.2004USC 12-0 regular
season.USC defeated #2 Oklahoma in the BCS National Championship Game.USC QB Matt Leinart won the Heisman Trophy.USC ended up as BCS National
Champions."Not that successful at USC"?It is
true that:Working with Norm Chow can be difficult for players, HC,
staff and journalists.Utah is taking a chance on using him to help with
their entrance into the PAC 12.He is at the end of a storied career.However, writing a statement that Norm Chow was "...not that
successful at USC" is simply not true.
hedgehog | 2:26 p.m. April 27, 2011 Ann Arbor, MIArynen,You do realise that Utah will be taking in more than 750K
in bowl revenue by never even going to a bowl correct?----------Finally, a prediction you have a chance if getting right! The Utes not going
to a bowl next year!
gonefishn | 2:59 p.m. April 27, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT Those Y fans
clinging to a Dec 30th date as a way to rationalize the BYU bowl situation are
either desparate or ignorant. This bowl is horrible it is the Texas version of
the New Mexico Bowl. BYU has taken a huge step back in this regard. The
Las Vegas bowl looks pretty good now, wouldn't you say?===The
Las Vegas Bowl?Seriously, bring that to a BYU article?How did the Las Vegas Bowl work out for the Utes against the WAC last year?
Wasn't it BSU 26, Utah 3?Way to represent. I'm still
waiting for the banner to be hung outside RES.(Quote from Naval Vet --
"snicker")===I love Ute fans. They have such
fragile egos.Ever since they fielded football teams in 2004, 2008,
and dropped basketball as a program, they have become the biggest BYU fans.
There will be more Utah fans watching BYU praying for a loss than there will be
watching Utah games, praying for a W.Pathetic, sad, life of a Utah
fan.(Naval, you were so quiet during Jimmer-time. What's up,
"To qualify for a BCS Bowl, we will need to win every game. Last time we
did that ? 1984."84 for life.Unfortunetly that
still might not be enough. Unless BYU can magically find quality BCS teams to
fill there schedule AFTER September - thier SOS will drag them down and outside
of any BCS consideration. And as we know, no quality BCS team will risk a non
confernce game that deep into the season. BYU will need to START the
season ranked in the top 10 and then win ALL their games to have any BCS
consideration.Sidenote: Auburn started the season outside the top
25. (BCS conference)Yes, it appears the knee jerk reactions of last
summer are beginning to sink in.
Not to be mean, but I believe that these TV and bowl deals BYU is striking is an
attempt not to get left out in the cold and not get left out of being nationally
recognized, no matter how much BYU fans believe their football team is respected
nationally. The writing is on the wall. BYU does not want to be considered
anything less than a national power in the eyes of college football fans
everywhere. And definitely don't want to be second best to Utah. That is a
fact! You can forget the past 40 years and BYU's 1984 championship, because in
this day and age, no one cares and is going to remember that. Ever since Utah
was invited and got expected as a Pac-12 member, BYU got angry and jealous and
did what they had to do, go independent. If you disagree, why go independent
with your football team and not include the other sports, especially basketball?
Exactly, BYU wasn't gonna get left behind and become/be Utah's little brother.
That is arrogant pride for you. Go UTES!
Tom Holmoe is excited about this affiliation.
Judging from today's comments, it's going to be a long off season.
Get your hotel reservations now for the Armed Services Bowl because one thing is
for sure - there is no BCS Bowl in sight for us. To qualify for a BCS Bowl, we
will need to win every game. Last time we did that ? 1984.
Finally reading through all that Football43 nails one elusive fact missing --
the TCU game this year pays big bucks! The AF Bowl is a fallback -- reasonably
speaking BYU probably plays in it.But as was covered in there
somewhere, BYU doesn't need the money aside from paying their way. They have a
solid sponsor. And The Church has larger, more relevant goals than $$$ which it
already has... a mission BYU can now fulfill better through independence...
goals in addition to, and whose worth are totally foreign to other institutions
and fans, obsessed singularly with the outcome of football games.Really, it isn't about money. Bragging rights in Utah ought not to be about
revenue either. Ranking and records... entertaining games... new opponents
for BYU entertain... this year's TCU game... Texas game... and Ute games
against the PAC 12... it's all entertaining and full of hope.
@football43To put things in perspective...National
relevant games are played in the postseason in January, where BYU was when Norm
Chow was last coaching in Provo.What's better BYU as a 10-11 win
team playing in:Forth Worth vs non-BCS teamORVegas vs PAC-12 team
Might just be a "money game" football43. You know, like how Utah
State takes on an SEC team each year for a very painful, big payout. I feel
sorry for poor St Heaps.
From Vegas .... to Fort Worth.Talk about a step down.
Just a thought....BYU's game against TCU in Jerry Jones palace at
the end of October will have more intrigue, national relevence and will bring
more money into BYU's coffers than the bowl game Utah gets this year. That
matchup will have a bowl game atmosphere. The following year BYU will play in
Redskin Stadium against West Virginia. It will be the same type of "bowl
game" experience. Look for Tom Holmoe to get several of these types of
games lined up over the next few years. The formula is simple. Get a big stadium
with a local team (TCU, WVU). The local team brings its 40,000. BYU brings its
30-40,000. You have a sold out stadium on ESPN between two quality teams. It
will be an every year event. Big game=big money and lots of fun if you are a
Wow! BYU, and independent playing in a bowl against a non-BCS conference team.
Sounds like a real move up.
CougFaninTX:"But wait there's more . . . I almost forgot Utah
doesn't get any money from the conference this year. So even if the Utes played
in the Rose Bowl (which they won't), BYU will still make $750k more in bowl
revenue than the Utes."It's been repeated, ad nauseum, that
Utah DOES get money from the conference this year. Over $4.6 million to be
frank. The only revenue that we won't share in is revenue relative to the
Pac-10's current television contract.I'll repeat that. Relative to
the Pac-10's current television contract.So if Utah plays at USC
[which we will], if that game is televised [which it could] Utah would be paid
the same amount for that televised game as they would have been had we still
been in the MWC. The Home team [i.e. USC] would receive the revenue allotted to
the Pac-10's representative. Utah will receive the amount allotted to "the
non-Pac-10 visiting team".
AWESOME!The Armed Forces are classy and distinguished...glad to be
alligned with them!
Blah Blah Blah.... Lets just play football already!
Sure, it would be nice to get a bit more money, but as long as there are exit
clauses in the event they make it to a BCS bowl, I don't see how it is a big
loss for BYU if they have to play in the Armed Services Bowl instead of the Las
Vegas Bowl, especially since they actually get to televise their regular season
games and keep the revenue from them. What difference does it make in the grand
scheme of things which non-BCS bowl you play in? Does anyone even remember who
played in the Alama Bowl or the Sun Bowl last year? Unless the payout for the
Las Vegas bowl starts increasing dramatically, BYU is coming out ahead of where
they were in the MWC, which is about as good as you can expect when you don't
get invited to BCS conference.
hedgehog | 2:00 p.m. April 27, 2011 Ann Arbor, MI Armed forces bowl
750kVegas Bowl 1 millionRose Bowl 17 million..hedgehog, you forgot to do the mathArmed forces bowl 750k / 1 team
= $750,000 to BYUVegas Bowl 1 million / 12 teams = $83,000 to each
PAC10.2 teamRose Bowl 17 million / 12 = $1.4 million to each PAC10.2
teamSince we don't share with anyone, the mighty Rose Bowl doesn't
even pay twice as much as a small bowl like Armed Forces. And Armed Forces will
pay us almost 10X more than Vegas bowl will pay each team in PAC10.2. But wait there's more . . . I almost forgot Utah doesn't get any money from
the conference this year. So even if the Utes played in the Rose Bowl (which
they won't), BYU will still make $750k more in bowl revenue than the Utes.Be patient . . . you'll get your 50% payout next year.
Money comparison...the truth! After all these claims, here's how it breaks
down:BYU: (1) 3 guaranteed ESPN games per year @ approx $1million
each. (2) all their bowl game money, $750,000 this year. They get all BCS
money, if they ever get there (haven't yet, so why now?). BYU
guaranteed money = $3,750,000Utah: (1) portion of TV money contract
in future. Last estimate was around $18 million per team. Utah has phase in
period until full member. (2) until full member, Utah gets equal share of
championship game, valued at $2 million per team. (3) Once an equal member,
shares in Bowl Game revenues @ $2 million per team.Utah guaranteed
money = $2 million in 2011; when fully phased in, $20 million.How
exactly do BYU fans keep commenting that BYU's money is better. Even if ESPN
picks up all home games equaling $6 million per year, how will that compare to
Utah's revenue. Answer: It won't. Get over it and go back to the
"you can't fill your stadium" arguement...o wait, they have averaged
over the capacity for years now? Now what?
I don't get why everyone is throwing out $. BYU did not go independent to make
money, it did it to gain exposure for the University and the Church. All you
Ute fans need to face the fact that BYU will always have more money to burn on
athletic facilities, scholarships, etc because of the backing by the LDS church.
You are arguing about $2 mil, $4 mil, etc. That's a drop in the bucket to the
resources that the Church drop on the school. If the church can spend $5B on a
mall, I doubt a few million on the football team is nothing as long as it keeps
them on top of the U in terms of quality facilities, broadcasting, and
For all those that are comparing bowl revenue between BYU and Utah, you need to
remember that the BCS passes out money to all the non-automatic qualifying
schools whether they were in a BCS game or not. Last year $24.7M got
distributed between all the non-AQ schools. It helps close the gap between
$750K and $2M. The gamble is if BYU makes it to a BCS game (for which they are
considered if in the top 14 in BCS standings) then they keep all the money
Seriously, the more I read the comedy written here, the more I want to find me a
bonafide "Quest for Perfection" t-shirt. Those are classic byu
treasures.BYU Preseason champs 2011! Mark. it. down!
Hey Ute trolls! We don't care bout no stinckin bcs bowls. We are aiming for
the NC baby! Been there done that, doing it again! Can you say NC deuce!?
"Norm Chow UCLA offensive went 0-56 against BYU, and I believe Utah Norm
Chow Offensive scored 6 points in the spring game. "I too agree
that he has lost his touch. He was not that successful at either school, which
is why he was let go. Crowton has done a better job at Oregon and LSU than Chow
has done at UCLA and USC. I wasn't intimidated at all when Utah hired Chow.
The guy did great things at BYU, but that was when he was at his prime. In my
opinion, he has steadily been less effective in time. By the way,
wasn't it fun to see LA burn down that day? That was one of the best games in
BYU history, and I watching with a UCLA fan too.
I guess it depends on whether or not you buy into BYU's stated goal of increased
exposure as the driving force behind the move to independence. I'm thrilled that
BYU has secured bowl games for the next three seasons (assuming they are bowl
eligible) and the prospect of playing different programs from around the country
will provide plenty of entertaining viewing and lots of exposure for the
football team, the school, and by extension the LDS Church. At the same time I
have no problem wishing the Utes the best of luck in the PAC12 as their success
(other than the rivalry game and possible recruiting battles) doesn't negatively
impact BYU's. BYU has scheduled some quality opponents and should they run the
table they should gain some national respect and have an outside chance of
playing in a BCS bowl. If they have a good but not great year they still have a
bowl game to look forward to, even if the payout is less than what the Utes
could earn as a non-bowl team. I agree with others in saying that the good news
of independence is sinking in here in Utah Valley!
First of all, it will take time for BYU to get better contracts, but it will
happen so don't worry BYU fans. And Utah fans bashing BYU's contract, knock it
off, it is a one year contract.@blaunchYour comment is
accurate, but forgets some things: while Arizona, Cal and Oregon State have zero
Rose bowl appearances (and zero BCS bowl appearances), Utah already has 2 bowl
appearances equivalent to the Rose Bowl. So we are already ahead of them.It also forgets that the new format of the Pac 12 will make getting to
the Rose Bowl a different path. Don't be surprised if some of those teams that
have never had a Rose Bowl appearance finally get one under the new format. @flynn is the greatestThis has been explained before. Utah
is foregoing TV revenue from the regular season. Utah will participate in the
revenue sharing for post-season which includes TV revenues, bowl payouts,
etc.Also, don't be surprised if the Utes TV stuff changes. The 3
year tier was developed from $8-10 M TV revenue projections. If they are $16-20
M, will we tier in faster?
It's not how much money you get it's how you use it. BYU has
already proven that they can do more with less, and now they will get more.Think about it. Nowhere is it written what Utah's deal is with the PAC
10+2 juniors. More than likely they do not get full share.When Utah
has regular 6-6 seasons the money isn't going to mean a thing. If any of you
think Utah is going to compete in the PAC 10+2 your crazy. I live in PAC 10
country and even ASU is looking at Utah as a patsy.Utah was brought
into the PAC 10 because they knew that the good years they had were not the
norm. And they can live with Utah every once in a while pulling out a good
season, but understood that they can't compete for recruits, and in games
against the rest of them.BYU can create its own schedule and
Since hedgehog is throwing out numbers concerning bowl games I'll throw this
out.Number of years Arizona has been in PAC10: 33Number of
PAC10 Championships: 1Number of Rose Bowl appearances: 0Just
because the team is in the conference doesn't mean it will go to the Rose
Gotta love these Utah trolls pretending to be disgruntled BYU fans.What's ironic is even the BYU-obsessed haters will be watching every available
BYU game this year.Worst case scenario - bowl games in Dallas, San
Diego, and San Francisco in BYU's first three years as an independent. Compare
that to Utah's bowl schedule for over half of the last 50 years (1965 to 1991).
h-hog:Of the three you listed, which one will tun be in??
@KokeSpoken like a true BYU fan in denial.
Why the arguing and hate. There is a lot of truth stated by both sides. The
wrapper is poor, but lots of truth.1. Utah is going to benefit from
being in the Pac12. True. I sincerely wish them well.2. BYU will
increase revenues and exposure via the change to independence. Also true.3. Utah's team that is expected to suit up this fall is not nearly as
strong as some of its great teams of the last few years. Sad, but true. We can
expect it to take a few years for them to establish their position in the Pac.
I hope they succeed. Whit is a good coach.4. BYU had a bad year in
2010, but the 2011 squad looks more promising. Going from the MTN to
independence will also take some adjustments and the bowl picture is a bit
gloomy for a few years. It will take a while, but should work out. I hope they
succeed. Bronco is a good coach.5. Whoever makes the most money
will have an advantage. Whoever has the best TV coverage will have an
advantage. 6. Good times and bad are ahead for both teams.
BYU will never make it to the BCS..............NEVER. The system they are in is
worse than the MWC in terms of being able to go to a noteworthy bowl game. I
can see the future BYU shirts now "Quest for Armed Forces Bowl"
because with the schedule they have now, it'll be difficult to even be worthy to
go to that bowl game.
Navel Vet, Utefan, Hedgehog. No BYU fan is comparing going to the
Armed Force Bowl to going to the Rose Bowl. But guess what guys? Utah has
not gone to the Rose Bowl. In 25 year USC has 9 Rose Bowl
appearanceWashington - 4Washington State, Arizona State, UCLA and
Oregon - 2Stanford - 1Arizona, Cal and Oregon State have Zero Rose
bowl appearance. As far as moneyUtah will get automatic money
every year. So what - UCLA gets automatic money every year and they are awful.
In 3 years they have gone 8 and 19 in the PAC10. And the only bowl game they
went to was the Eagle Bank Military Bowl. And yes that is how long Norm Chow
has been the offensive coordinator of UCLA. Norm Chow UCLA
offensive went 0-56 against BYU, and I believe Utah Norm Chow Offensive scored 6
points in the spring game. BYU will only get money if they go to a
bowl. So yes Utah will make more automatic money being in the PAC12 (win
or Lose) But if BYU goes to a BSC bowl then BYU will make much more
money than Utah.
cont'd ... kickin' fits on your computer each day you read about BYU's continued
march to freedom, independence, relevance, recruiting, HDTV, ESPN, and the
@ Brave Sir Robin hater"Wait, I thought they were going to go
undefeated and play in the mythical national championship game this year? That's
what Jake Heaps said."I'm not going to do your homework for
you, you know exactly what he said and it's not what exactly what you quoted.
And you knew that.@hedgieThe only knee jerk action that's
going on is the kickin' fits you th
All you Utah fans have fun at the bottom of the barrel in the Pac 12, I say you
start your season out 1-5, only beating Montana.
Wow this whole independence thing is working out really well. I would love a
guaranteed invite to one of the worst bowl games ever. We all know that BYU
will NEVER make it to the BCS, so enjoy the bottom of the barrel in bowls BYU.
Life would be miserable as a BYU fan right now.
Solomon the Wise:"Fortunately for BYU, the Cougars have enough
national cachet to negotiate their own bowl tie-ins without the aid of a
conference."No they don't. They've been scrambling to find
bowl tie-ins since last summer, and the best they could do was line up a game
vs. the C-USA #3 team. The Armed Forces Bowl was the bowl game the MWC formerly
sent their #4 team to. That's not indicative of "national cachet".The MWC is currently negotiating to replace the Armed Forces Bowl with
the Hawai'i Bowl. The Hawai'i Bowl gets C-USA's #2 team. Hardly a great
matchup, but at least it's better than the Armed Forces Bowl.#2 >
To: Hedgehog, ok Vegas pays 1 million, that you will have to split between 11
other schools, hmmmm, 750k is a lot more than you'll get from that bowl.
The bowls are all locked up in contracts. Securing this bowl is a great deal
for BYU, especially considering BYU is only 8 months from the actual game.
Great job Holmoe. P.S. Bowl payouts are after expenses. BYU will
probably lose money going to this bowl. Those affiliated with a conference will
get a percentage after expenses for travel as well as the expense of unsold
seats. If you like to watch BYU play, you should like this bowl. If you don't,
why are you reading this article or this post?
Also of note, how much bowl revenue will Utah get in 2011? I thought it was
nothing. Even if they play in the Rose Bowl. Possibly nothing for 3 years!
Whatever the case, BYU will likely get more bowl money than Utah in the next 3
years. By this time BYU may very well have secured a better bowl affiliation.
At least we won't be playing the utes because it's unlikely they will be bowl
This just gets worse and worse! Our football team is playing in the WAC plus a
few "money games" against power teams that will probably clean our
clock. Our basketball team will be playing a bunch of JV teams in a league that
only gets one NCAA tourney birth. UG! Now we have to play in a no-name bowl?!
If we lose a single game the football season is over! I am pulling what's left
of my hair out!
I thought BYU was working on securing the Holiday Bowl in the future? Whatever
came of that? If you add up the payout for the PAC bowls, each team
would get a little over $2M- a little better than 2x what BYU gets with current
tie ins. If the PAC has someone playing for the NC, that amount turns into ~4M.
If the MWC secures an at-large BCS game, conference members get a little over
2M. If no BCS-less than 0.5M. The Holiday Bowl pays ~2M, and if BYU can secure
that tie-in, that 2M is not going to be split. If we assume that the current
MWC does not get a BCS game this year (BSU and TCR are rebuilding their
offenses), MWC schools will get less from bowls than BYU- even if BYU has a
junky bowl. Hopefully the future BYU bowl (Holiday?) will payout
2-3M, in which case, BYU bowl earnings will be competitive with institutions in
BCS conferences. If it doesn't pay that much, good teams won't want to play in
it, and BYU won't get the exposure it wants.
When BYU announced a Dallas bowl game did Y fans realize it was not the Cotton
Hey hedgehog if Utah is so great let them strike out on the road of independence
and see how they do. I'm not sure as a utah fan I'd take credit for something
that Utah has had NOTHING to do with and according to national reports will add
NOTHING to it. Just throwing out some logic.And finally
all Yutah fans...why do you even care? You're in a great league, great revenue,
are you really that insecure that you need to debate or disparrage every BYU
article and or event? Hedgie you're the worst. What gives?
Those Y fans clinging to a Dec 30th date as a way to rationalize the BYU bowl
situation are either desparate or ignorant. This bowl is horrible it is the
Texas version of the New Mexico Bowl. BYU has taken a huge step back in
this regard. The Las Vegas bowl looks pretty good now, wouldn't you say? The
school gets more money as an independant but the experience for the fan has
taken a maojor hit.It is either undefeated or a 4th tier bowl for Y fans.
@ute trollsI love how you keep throwing around all these revenue
amounts but doesn't it sting just a little bit that even with all these supposed
extra dollars coming utahs way they will still have lower overall revenue than
BYU? BYU was already close to 50% ahead of utah in revenue. utah still has a
loooooong way to go to even catch up.LOL
Aim high, team down south! Although the Cougar Classic Christmas Bowl against
the Big 10 9th place team in the future will be quite the challenge as well.
I am a BYU fan and I think this is stupid.A. Armed Forces Bowl is
terribleB. The anticipation of finding out where you're going is half the
fun.If Heaps gets suspended for some honor code violation I am
officially leaving Cougar Nation. Its getting out of control.
It's fun to see the hysteria every BYU announcement receives from the
BYU-obsessed haters.BYU is just getting started as an independent
and the trolls are already starting to panic. An independent BYU
playing in a BCS game and not having to share any of the revenue with anybody is
the BYU haters' second worst nightmare. Their worst nightmare, of course, is BYU
adding another Waterford Crystal Football Trophy to their trophy case.
I'm impressed with how well Tom Holmoe has done in putting together this first
season of independence for BYU. I'm sure it has not been easy. With the last
piece now in place for 2011 he can now focus on future seasons.I do
think with the saturation of the bowl market mentioned by John Wilner it would
be best for BYU to continue to work on deals with existing bowls. To create a
new bowl game and then have to hope enough teams become eligible each year would
be a tough road. Being the new kid on the block as bowls are concerned that new
bowl could end up having to aske the NCAA for an exemption to get an opponent
some years for BYU to play. I don't think that is what BYU wants.
where's chris b? at least he made some sense sometimes. are we stuck with
wedgehog only? can't wait to see if the utes even get in a bowl. don't get your
hopes up too high, but then again heaps is shooting for a national championship
and the utes?......≥no shooting for anything. glad I converted to a
real team and program.
I really still can't see how going independent is a good thing for BYU in any
way. Who's idea was this? Football has a pretty lousy deal worked out so far,
definitely inferior to what they had in the MWC. I'm not sure I'm going to be
watching any games this year because I just won't care. As for all the other
sports, the WCC is just going to be a waste of their time. I have always been a
BYU fan and not much of U fan, but if I had a kid who was getting recruited for
sports by both schools I would recommend the U over BYU hands down.
@ Ute4neverBYU has just as good a bowl Scanario as your team. You have to
win in order to get to the big $$. A 4,5,6 PAC team plays in about the same
level bowl as what BYU has agreements for in the next few years. BYU gets
several million from ESPN whether they go to a bowl or not.BYU gets all
the money from a BCS game and they have as good a chance as TUN to get there.
BYU has a clause for all three of these bowls that allow them to play in a
BCS game if invited. Money is not BYU's primary concern.BYU will
Earn they money they get.Utah gets to ride the coattails of 11 big
brothers now in return for lots of Money. Major over achievment and we are all
proud of you.Sounds like a win for both teams. Scenarios
are fittinghedgeRealize has a "Z" in it. See my
spelling.Enjoy the numbers
Hedgehog: You are correct. The decision of going independent IS starting to
sink in. It is going to be bigger and better than anyone could have
anticipated. Wait until around next November or December and you will see what
BYU has accomplished and what Utah has lost, because of their respective
decisions. I hope it goes better for the U than I anticipate, but there will be
no surprise other than gratitude, as far as BYU's position is concerned.
Remember what I have said in this post. Until next fall, then.
Don't matter too much anyways. BYU'll be playin' in a BCS game that year
Geez, I thought things in Provo was supposed to be getting better. The Armed
Forces bowl? This is like the bottom of the bowl bucket.
Brave Sir Robin "Wait, I thought they were going to go
undefeated and play in the mythical national championship game this year? That's
what Jake Heaps said. If management has faith in their quarterback, this bowl
tie-in shouldn't be necessary, right?"Wrong!That's
not what Jake Heaps said. What Jake did say was that BYU is playing for a
national championship."Brigham Young University has entered
into an agreement to participate in the Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl
following the 2011 football season if bowl eligible and NOT selected for a BCS
game."BYU lining up a bowl tie-in as an independent is no
different than a conference lining up several bowl tie-ins for the
conference.Fortunately for BYU, the Cougars have enough national
cachet to negotiate their own bowl tie-ins without the aid of a conference.
Seriously, some of the names of these bowl games are ridiculous. Bell
Helicopter? A bowl committee should do what they can to ensure bowls don't
sound ridiculous. BYU has connections with some lame name bowl games coming up.
If they don't win consistently vs. good competition, they'll never get deals
with bigger bowls.
Arynen:The Armed Forces Bowl pays out the league minimum of $750K.
The lowest tiered Pac-12 Bowl is the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl, which pays the
Pac-12's representative $900K. Edge: Pac-12Utah doesn't need to go
to the Rose Bowl to collect 17 million. For starters, it was reported that BCS
Bowl payouts for 2011 will be 21.2 million, and whether or not Utah gets invited
to one, we still receive a 1/12th share [8.333%] of that sum. And that's in
addition to an equal share of the rest of the Pac-12's bowl revenues. So while
ybU gets to retain 100% of $750K, Utah rakes in 8.333% of 30.5 million; which is
over 2.5 million.Utah will also be bringing in another 8.333% share
of the 25 million CCG; over 2.083 million. Total Bowl and CCG
revenues: over 4.6 million. By the way, the Armed Forces Bowl is
owned by ESPN. So is the Las Vegas Bowl. But despite owning a 1 million bowl
game, ESPN gave you the one with the league minimum payout. [*snicker*]
With the PAC12 bowl tie payouts of over $26 million combined, which is split
between the teams....Utah will bring in over $2 million in bowl revenue for just
being part of the PAC12, not matter which bowl they play in. Compare that to the Armed Forces bowl of $750,000...which BYU keeps to itself.
Uhhh, $2 million or $750k? The reason Utah hasn't been in the news
is because they don't have to work to get a 2011 bowl game lined up, or 2012, or
2013.....they are in a conference that does that for them.
Playing against a 3rd place Conf. USA opponent is the best they could do?
Arynen,You do realise that Utah will be taking in more than 750K in
bowl revenue by never even going to a bowl correct? The PAC12 affiliation to a
annual BCS bowl will secure that.I think FINALLY the reality of the
knee jerk decision of going independent is starting to sink in.
@utes4n3v3r... Actually, according to the article, the bowl game has a
Conference USA affiliation, NOT the MWC. Try reading the article before you
Great. Why is Utah always comparing themselves to BYU and everytime BYU has news
we compare it to Utah? Seems like neither side can do anything without having
some contest of who's bigger than the other. This rivalry is outta control.
Aren't there enough haters in the world? People, relax. It is a game, you do get
that right? Bigger and better things out there in the world than to ALWAYS cut
eachother down and constantly critique one anothers every little move. Relax. No
hedgehog,In order to get the $17M, you actually have to be invited
to play in the Rose Bowl. Just because the Utes are in the PAC doesn't mean
they are entitled to the championship bowl. And through independence, BYU will
making around that much every season anyway just through it's regular season
schedule.Just thought I'd throw out a few numbers your way. Enjoy.
So the Armed Forces Bowl has ties to the MWC, right? So does the Poinsettia
Bowl? So BYU can't quite leave behind the MWC. What a reward for the team this
year. They lose their first game to Mississippi and then have NOTHING to look
forward to except the 3rd place MWC team in 2011? Armed Forces bowl against
who....Air Force? Wyoming? That'll bring the crowds!!Meanwhile the
PAC12 has the following landing spots for the Utes:Craft Fight
Hunger (lowest possible bowl...BYU's bowl in 2012)Las Vegas Bowl (funny
the 2nd lowest bowl in PAC12 is pinnacle of BYU's success in the 21st
century)Sun BowlHoliday BowlAlamo Bowl (bleacher report
projection as PAC12 South winner, but loser of championship game)Rose
BowlIt's clear, comparing the 2 Utah schools, which team's bowl
scenerios are better!!!
I thought they had already committed to other bowls for 2011 and 2012?
What happened to starting your own bowl game? It's got to be better than the
Armed Forces bowl.
Armed forces bowl 750kVegas Bowl 1 millionRose Bowl
17 million..Just thought I throw out a few numbers..... enjoy.
The Cougs are in the news again! It seems like all I ever read about is the
Cougs doing this or the Cougs doing that. The Cougs entering into a new bowl
contract or negotiating a new TV deal or winning a top recruit.As
expected, there is no news from the hill, now, or in the months to come.
Amazing how BYU has been able to organize their inagural efforts into
independence. Thanks Armed Foreces for giving the Cougs a hand on their intitial
voyage! Playing on Dec. 30 is way better than before Christmas.
Oh yes, congratulations! Maybe in 2015 the Humanitarian Bowl could be secured as
well, got my fingers crossed!
Hopefully BYU won't be going to Dallas or playing in December for their bowl
Wait, I thought they were going to go undefeated and play in the mythical
national championship game this year? That's what Jake Heaps said. If
management has faith in their quarterback, this bowl tie-in shouldn't be
necessary, right?Or is the reality of not being in a conference
finally starting to seep into the water in Provo?
Is BYU taking what used to be an at-large bid to this bowl or is BYU taking a
bid that used to belong to another conference?I'm sure the BYU
athletic office hopes doors open up to larger bowls when participants affiliated
with those bowls begin to renegotiate contracts.
For 2011, that works for me and probably a few others as well until BYU gets
their own bowl worked out.Let's hope the Utes can represent the PAC
at the Las Vegas Bowl for the first time this year as well. Which hotel are we
going to designate in Vegas for the Utes?
I think that a December 30th game is a pretty good deal.