Doug Robinson: Wishing JazzBulls the best (not really)

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  • Dr Truth SLC, ut
    April 21, 2011 3:11 p.m.

    Really the Jazz chose Memo over Boozer....only to get the Booz curse, Memo goes down, Memo goes down.......

    The Jazz problem this past year is really about the athletes we lost on the perimeter over the last year, Matthews, Brewer, and 3 point shooting with Korver more than the loss inside with Booz. Hey we finally beat LA in LA without Booz.......I think everyone forgets that D-Will was having a monster year before his wrist injury. Everyone was talking about D-Will even more than Rose at that time.

  • BillM75 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 21, 2011 1:38 p.m.

    CJ, "be on the floor" is the key phrase, along with the part you left out where Boozer's contract is twice as long for almost FOUR times as much money as Paul's.

    How about this: I'll take Paul & Noah, you can have Al & Boozer?

    elpistola, you forgot how Brewer's agent demanded 4yrs/$35mil inc max upfront signing bonus from the Jazz, and KOC sent him packing for a bag of balls. Then he tears his hamstring and is happy to get the scraps Chicago threw him as a favor to Boozer & Korver. I love Brew, and unlike Sloan, Thibs knows he's a 8th-9th man, not a starter. Wait til the Finals when the Lakers don't guard him tho.

    AK's contract was bad, and the Jazz should've cut bait long ago. Hey, how'd that LaMarcus Aldridge for Ty Thomas trade turn out for the Bulls? At least it allowed you to pay double market value for Boozer, who's less efficient (esp on defense), far more fragile, and four years older than Aldridge, so that's something.

    Thanks for playing, see ya soon, good luck in the Finals.

  • louisiana jazz man Dubach, LA
    April 21, 2011 8:36 a.m.

    re; cj miles maby they will pick up cj in chicgo and you can be a bulls fan. i would say a bozzer fan but he dosen't play enough to have fans. but comparing the two same scoring average this year one played almost all the games one played half the games were is the comparison? if millsap was playing with noah like boz he would be a beast. instead he played with al who cain't pick up the pick and roll on off and has very little def. on second thought it would be better if they traded millsap to a team that has some good players half utah's players are old washed up vets other half rookies. soon to be more rookies with al and millsap i smell a championship.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    April 21, 2011 12:48 a.m.

    If I had to choose between Boozer or Millsap to be on the floor, I would choose Boozer every time. Not even a close comparision.

  • manchester10 Bountiful, UT
    April 20, 2011 10:25 p.m.

    The Bulls have been building this team for years. They have been on the back burner of the NBA since Jordan left. Chicago can have Boozer, Kyle and Ronnie. They will contribute now, but for how long? I feel confident that this Jazz organization will put the pieces together and the young guys will mature quickly. The Jazz will be a force to be reckoned with soon. They will also do it in half the time it took the Bulls to return, just watch.

    Please get Jimmer!! Who cares if he is a risk, we are all curious to see how he would fare with our team and it would be even that much sweeter if he turns into a star.

  • louisiana jazz man Dubach, LA
    April 20, 2011 10:00 p.m.

    i don't get the camparison of millsap and noah? noah is a center who the camparison should be is noah and jefferson. millsap's comparison would be boz wich millsap always has been a better defender than boz no camparison boz averaged 17.5 a game and only played half the year as always. millsap averaged 17.5 and missed a couple of games. let's compare favors to millsap oh no camparison favors 4-6 points a game gets a couple of dunks a game preety comparable to evens what a beast let's send millsap to the bench and start favors he has busted his but for 4 years worked so hard' got to be better than millsap he was the number 3 pick. about like he is better than cousins 5 pick. glad they diden't hire any of you to coach probly start opy evens favors fes price

  • elpistola Memphis, TN
    April 20, 2011 8:50 p.m.

    As a Bull's fan, We appreciate truly your well wishes. I do want to correct the record though on your article. We have wanted Carlos for a while and he apparently wanted us too. He unfortunately was our #2 rebounder not #1 - Noah was #1. We do wish he could play defense, I'm sure you noticed he sits on the defensive end in favor of Taj Gibson at the end of games. We hope he'll learn to defend a back door cut some day. Kyle is a wonderful if defense challenged addition too, Derrick Rose shoots 86% from the floor though not that far a cry from Korver (and nearly 7X the number of free throws as Korver). Brewer is great, too bad you let him go too, I'm sure he was your best defender. What did we get him for - $4.8M? You did keep Kirilenko though for what...$17M+? He doesn't play defense either does he? You can thank us for Sloan and now Corbin (Chicago products). See you next time you get in the playoffs in ... 2020. Maybe you can get some more Russians on your team for $20M+

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    April 20, 2011 7:34 p.m.

    On paper and currently...the Bulls are better than the a few years...its a different story...remember we have 3 rookies...who would vastly improve in the coming years...defense wise...Noah and Asik is better than Al Jeff and Fes...scoring wise...its just Al Jeff against the a few more years...we will be a better team...but...due to the fact that we play in the West...its going to be tough

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    April 20, 2011 5:38 p.m.

    What I haven't noticed mentioned in other comments that would've made a huge difference for the Jazz this year is the Wes Matthews factor. The double digit average output per game difference this year between he and Raja Bell, his replacement, was enough to have made a huge difference on the results of how this past season went. Had we kept Matthews and had that output difference, we consequently would've won many of those close games we lost after midseason. Then DWill probably would've had a better attitude toward the team and consequently toward coach Sloan... who then would probably still be coaching. Had that happened, there is also a high probability we would currently be enjoying watching the Jazz in the playoffs instead of sitting home analyzing these would've-been, could've-been, should've-been scenarios.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    April 20, 2011 1:53 p.m.

    Comparing Noah to Millsap? Now that is the biggest joke I have ever heard. Noah is a defensive monster. Millsap? Well let's just say he can't defend anyone that is taller or quicker than him. When's the last time you saw Noah getting out-worked by an offensive player? How about never.

    Deng is 10 times the player that AK is. Rose is a better point guard than Dwill will ever be.

    The only reason Korver is having success in Chicago is he doesn't have Jerry as his coach.

  • BillM75 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 20, 2011 1:12 p.m.

    Doug, this is just a rehash of a column written for another local paper a week or so ago. Jazz fans are eager for the future, aside from the handful still obsessed with Derek Fisher, whose red flag you made sure to wave.

    We like Korver & Brewer and if we can't win we want them to. Boozer is 4th banana on the Bulls and not expected to be a cornerstone, and both his & Korver's contracts are far above market value. Had Brewer been willing at the time to accept what the Bulls gave him he'd still be here.

    Rose is far better than DWrist, and Noah's D is far better than anything the Jazz have thought about since the days of Ostertag, if not Eaton.

    The biggest difference is at head coach tho. Thibodeau doesn't just talk about defense, toughness & teamwork, he demands it, and he tolerates none of the nonsense Sloan winked at for the last five years. Millsap & Al are better than Boozer with far better contracts but it's not nearly enough.

  • HDFresh Salem, OR
    April 20, 2011 12:37 p.m.

    Jazz have always produced good players. The team is the farm for the whole league.

    It is frustrating to see players leave and do really well on other teams. Something was wrong to keep them from playing to their potentials. Or some hated each other and didn't feel like a team and they feel better on their new teams. Who knows.

    It's just sad as a Jazz fan to see it all unravel.

    Bring in "The Jimmer", the great white hope. (Harris teaches then transitions to back up).

    Get a good solid true center that can cause trouble in the paint and vacuum rebounds (Dwight Howardesque) (trade some of the Forwards(way too many) and Okur, and almost anyone else you have to)

    Finally get a drop em' dead, ace 3 ball shooting guard to accompany "The Jimmer" and with existing pieces you have a "team".

    Prefer to keep Milsap, Favors, Bell. Everybody else could be traded if needed for above to happen.

  • tottenhamlover Salt Lake City, UT
    April 20, 2011 11:05 a.m.

    You forgot to mention that the Bulls have Luol Deng, who is defensively efficient as Andre Kirilenko but a much better shooter. Millsap is weak defensively, so he cannot be compared to Noah. We also have a coach who isn't past his prime and promotes defense in his system. This team is nothing like the Jazz team of last year. Brewer and Korver are much better defenders under Thibodeau, and that is what really matters.

  • oldschool Farmington, UT
    April 20, 2011 10:50 a.m.

    Hey, Doug, don't forget about the other ex-Jazz players still contributing to their teams: Stevenson, Pavlovic, Arroyo, Koufos, Matthews and Fisher. Combined with Boozer, Brewer and Korver, this could make a pretty good team, probably enough to win the first round and maybe the second. If it weren't for all the ifs and buts, the Jazz fans would go nuts. Imagine the possibilities if the Jazz had kept the picks for Magic Johnson and Dominique Wilkins and then traded up to draft Michael Jordan or had been smart enough to get positioned to draft Larry Bird a year early the way Red Auerbach did! Or drafted Kevin McHale instead of Darrell Griffith. Or Danny Ainge instead of Danny Schayes or (gasp) Howard Wood? Sure as shooting, with some of those players the Jazz would have reached the finals and probably would have won the championship long before Malone showed up. Now, will the Jazz pass up Jimmer because he's white and played college ball in Utah? Just the way the Jazz have passed up on pretty well every other great Utah college player?

  • netmaster Farmington, UT
    April 20, 2011 10:31 a.m.

    Some fans seem to forget that Boozer did not want to come back to Utah, and that Utah could not afford to pay him his market value anyway. It all comes down to one huge mistake, and that was paying AK top dollar. Nobody knew how bad he would get, how often he would be injured, how emotionally unstable he would seem at times, etc. He is better now, of course, but still not worth max money and all the restrictions that go with it. Now he is valuable to the Jazz, but only at a certain price. Whoever says Harris couldn't lead the Jazz to a championship is probably the same logic-challenged person who said the Little General could lead the Spurs to a championship. Jazz fans must take part of the blame by refusing to accept the fact that Boozer did not sit out due to injury because he wanted to do so. Don't these cerebrally challenged fan(atics) remember that he came back TOO EARLY from his first hamstring injury? Or that AK and Memo both tried to come back too early, leading to disaster?

  • HerbSewell Las Vegas, Nevada
    April 20, 2011 10:31 a.m.

    If you watch the Bulls' games, Boozer, in many clutch situations is right where he needs to be: on the bench.
    Too bad he was our "clutch" player here.
    That's the difference.

  • Richie Saint George, UT
    April 20, 2011 10:25 a.m.

    Boozer and Williams were locker room cancers. Did you ever notice how much crud Hayward and AK got from Williams. Need to get rid of Bell too, he can't play.

  • Jesse Tooele, UT
    April 20, 2011 10:15 a.m.

    The biggest difference and the biggest reason Boozer just didn't quite work out here in Utah is simple, Noah is the Bulls center and Okur was ours. You can't build a team around 2 non defensive big men. You can't rely on your small forward to be your inside shot blocking presence and your best perimeter defender as well. I think OKC has it perfect. You got the shot blocker in Ibaka and the defensive position guy in Perkins who will D up his own man and also slide over to take charges. Okur was decent at low post defense, but both he and Boozer could not move their feet if their guy faced up on them. If we run with Favors and Jefferson next year, I hope Al is working on his position defense. He has great footwork on offense, why can't that translate on the defensive end?

  • Silly Rabbit Magna, UT
    April 20, 2011 10:09 a.m.

    As a Jazz fan, I am not rooting for the Bulls. Those players that played for Utah are no longer Jazz players so I don't root for them, they are on a different team, but I do hope they do well. I've watch some playoff games and just want to see some good B-Ball no pressure not having your team in the playoffs, I really hope to see an underdog make a mess of things.

    I was a fan of all those former Jazzmen that now don the colors of M.J. and company of old. I liked watching Booze bang and yell but dont miss the Ole D, I miss (Kale) Korver shoot it, and R.Brew's energy and dunks, I miss them all but root for da Bulls, never! But man they just might take the ring. If they do i will hide a smile.

    Since the Jazz came to Utah long ago every year I tell people this is the year they win it all, I will say the same thing for next season! Im a Jazz fan for better or for worse.

  • Vince the boonies, mexico
    April 20, 2011 9:35 a.m.

    Boozer was a cancer just like D-Will, but Korver was the keeper and shooter we miss. His defense isn't as bad as some of you say, but the difference is the defensive system. He's playing within a system that is #1 in the league in defense and when he was here it was an ancient "Sloan" system that doesn't work and hasn't for many years. Hire a defensive coach Ty, amd copy the Bulls and Celtics defensive schemes thats all. For all of you maucho males that felt threatened by Korver being good looking and getting the ladies raves your just that "maucho", and insecure apparently about yourselves because he is and was a needed team member here.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    April 20, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    In watching Chicago's first two playoff games, it's obvious Boozer is still Boozer. And, he's not the reason they're winning---Rose and others are. Still, Boozer and Korver are integral parts of the equation for this team, which is why they are winning.

    Posters here are on the money that this is a much better team overall than the Jazz ever were, even when Boozer was here with D-Will and Millsap and AK, etc.

    I'll be really happy if the "Chicago Jazz" win the title, because I always liked Korver, in spite of his poor defense. And, I never really felt down on Boozer. He is what he is, a rebounder and scorer with little defense. Brewer is another I think should have been kept by the Jazz, but not as a starter.

    I like Rose, too. They guy just plays.

  • Hugh G. Hater SLC, UT
    April 20, 2011 9:00 a.m.

    Good job Greg Miller!

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    April 20, 2011 8:52 a.m.

    Boozer is on the floor in Chicago for the same reason he was in Utah. While he was out there he will take the high pressure shot as would Williams. Sloan knew that if Boozer and Deron were on the floor he had a chance of winning, any time in the league. Boozer is an animal in the league and in Chicago where the entire offense is run through Rose Boozer is not called upon to score as often as he was here but he is ferocious on the boards.

    The Jazz if they could have had another animal like Noah things could have been different but instead they had European players like AK and Okur who are big but do not play well inside. Probably the thing that kept them from getting someone like Noah to help was AK and his huge contract that crippled the Jazz everytime that someone was available the price tag was too high.

    Chicago did not have an AK contract and now they have a very good team, not a dynamic duo but a good team.

  • tmoney Tulsa, OK
    April 20, 2011 7:46 a.m.

    Unfortunately, there are a few big differences with Chicago's team and Utah's team.

    1. Noah is a lot bigger than Kirelenko and Milsap what a horrible comparison.
    2. Derek Rose- lets just say it everyone he's BETTER than Deron Williams a lot better.
    3. Deng is better than Miles, and Taj Gibson can play.

    4. Top to bottom Chicago is just better than what the Jazz would have been had they kept Boozer. So far Chicago's success is all Derek Rose, Boozer has not played well his rebounding is what keeps him on the floor late in games. I'll give him props for that, but he is not counted on to score in Chicago like he was in Utah.

  • dustman Nampa, ID
    April 20, 2011 7:28 a.m.

    Where were all the local reporters using thier resources to keep Brewer, Boozer, and Korver before? Great question.

    I think our problem here with the Jazz is that we think we need another stockton and malone show. why do we need a "dynamic duo?" Why can't we just get a good team?

    The Bulls just don't have Boozer, Brewer, and Korver...They got a great team. They use all thier players well.

  • Name Already Used Fort Duchesne, UT
    April 20, 2011 7:12 a.m.

    Unlike "WhatsInItForMe," I don't own a gypsy's crystal ball. I'm not a BYU fan; however, I am a Jimmer fan. The hype and attention that he was given may get tiring for some; however, I think he handled fame with class. "Some are born great-others have it thrust upon them." With him, it is both. So how often does this come even close to Utah. Face it we're small potatoes. When you find a pearl among the clams--don't throw it back into the ocean.

  • ColoJazzFan Louisville, CO
    April 20, 2011 7:02 a.m.

    I think that the difference is that Derek Rose is playing at a much higher level than we have ever seen from Williams. I'm not sure Williams is even capable.

    Plus, Noah is more of an inside presence than Millsap offensive, defensively, and emotionally. I would rather have Millsap however. And, they have Luol Deng who should arguably been oh the All Star team this year.

    Plus, the first two weeks of camp were spent on "defense" - probably why Boozer hurt himself in order to skip that part.

    I find myself pulling for them since no other team is appealing...can't believe it!

  • josemb navotas, philippines
    April 20, 2011 2:55 a.m.

    my sentiments exactly. and i am rooting for the bulls to win the title

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    April 20, 2011 12:31 a.m.

    I don't think the Jazz are in a terrible spot, but it sure would be nice watching them in the playoffs. It was clear that the FO should've committed to Dwill and Boozer, the two players who were obviously key to any success. Instead, they planned around other players. If they had planned on keeping Boozer, man, I won't get into the team we could have right now, but Boozer on the team was unacceptable to EVERY reporter, why,
    isn't it their job to make us fans appreciate our best players,
    if not,
    it's the reporters that need to get out, not our best players.

    There's one thing that I think Doug can teach me, and that's how to make crow taste like chicken.

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    April 20, 2011 12:09 a.m.

    The thing I don't understand about these reporters is that none of them, not one, wrote an article in defense of keeping boozer in utah, now they want to act like martryrs, everyone of them writing before last summer should be fired for being hypocrites instead.
    And this article feels like now we're being punished, jazz fans arenot being punished, no one is making you watch bball if you don't want to, if i don't want to watch the jazz lose w/o boozer then i don't have to,
    watching bball is about what is interesting to the individual, boozer was not interesting to these reporters, now the jazz aren't interesting for anyone,

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    April 19, 2011 11:36 p.m.

    I'm rooting for the Chicago Jazz to win it!

    But, for next year's Jazz...

    Players w/contracts of 2+ years:

    Jefferson (C/PF, 26 years old w/7 years experience, 2 more years on contract); hard to replace
    Favors (PF, 19 w/1, 3); franchise type
    Millsap (PF/SF, 26 w/5, 2); still valuable
    Harris (PG, 28 w/7, 2); can't lead team to championship
    Bell (SG, 34 w/11, 2); trade, if possible
    Hayward (SG/SF, 21 w/1, 3); possible superstar

    Players w/1 year contracts:

    Okur (C/PF, 31 w/9); who knows with him? Trade?
    Evans (SF, 23 w/1); keeper if he develops outside shot

    Free agents to re-sign:

    Watson (PG, 31 w/10); too good a price for this good of a backup
    Kirilenko (SF/PF, 30 w/10); does so many things, but injury prone anymore
    Fesenko (C, 24 w/4); closes down the middle when he's playing; hard to ignore that
    Miles (SF/SG, 24 w/6); if you must; depends on the draft or trades

    DON'T re-sign Elson or Price.

    DO draft Jimmer (1st pick), and maybe a hot-shooting SF.