The area of Deseret started huge, got smaller as it became Utah

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  • KurtFK Littleton, CO
    April 20, 2011 8:49 a.m.

    If I remember my Utah history correctly, there was a movement afoot in Congress in the late 1800s to shrink the size of "Utah" even further than its current boundaries, to limit the political power of the Mormons. This mini-Utah would have been limited to just the narrow strip of populated land along the Wasatch Front. In effect, the Mormons would have ended up on their own reservation, just like the Indians. A similar plan was floated in the late 1840s, to place the Saints on a 25 square mile reservation in Wisconsin, but nothing ever came of it because the Saints left the United States, however briefly.

  • Mukkake Salt Lake City, UT
    April 19, 2011 12:52 p.m.

    @country mom

    You have that a little backwards, the Mormons asked the President for help, and he agreed on the condition a few hundred of them enlist. Quid pro quo, no?

  • county mom Monroe, UT
    April 19, 2011 12:36 p.m.

    Have you been to an LDS meeting where the congregation pledges support for the leaders? It would be your choice to join the united order or not. In the LDS faith you always have a choice, and have to face the consequences of the choices you make.
    The State of Deseret would have had all faiths in it and our ancestors pledged support for the constition and the United States of America. Right after they had been so wrongly kicked out of Illinois, and Missouri; after the Governor of Missouri issued an extermination order for all Mormons, the President of the United States sent a request for conscription for men to fight in the Mexican American war. The same President who would not help the Saints, or even denounce the murder of Joesph Smith. These LDS men left their families and went on the longest march in US history, because they loved this country.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    April 19, 2011 11:32 a.m.

    Sometimes I wish I lived in Deseret. What would Deseret's budget look like? Would Deseret be involved in foreign military excursions? Would Deseret's schools be failing, despite making it one of their largest expenditures. How would unemployment be handled in Deseret? What would Deseret's tax code look like? Would the culture of Deseret require me to work on Sundays? What would Deseret's social welfare programs look like? Imagine the possibilites.

  • The Dude Abides Salt Lake City, UT
    April 19, 2011 10:42 a.m.

    So we could have been an independent nation-state with our own theocratic government promoting socialist ideals, e.g., the Z.C.M.I? Other than the Utah State Constitution, how's that much different than the status quo?

  • tll Ogden, UT
    April 19, 2011 9:11 a.m.

    This is an interesting article providing a glimpse of how 'things used to be' to those of us new to the state. Thanks!

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    April 19, 2011 6:50 a.m.

    Another reference to Deseret: the Salt Lake Bees.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    April 18, 2011 10:37 p.m.

    I'm not sure that the nation would have worked with rhode islands and new hampshires and then 'deseret'. What is a deseret, anyway? Is it like a 'ranchette', an acreage with cowboy pretense? Should have just called it 'desert'. It's really big, arid, and, at that time, pretty empty. Desert. Anyway, we're fortunate that we've got neighbours that are now out of state, like wendover or evanston or mesquite. Whatever it is, deseret is contained.