re - UtahBlueDevil | 3:33 p.m."Charlie - no - I am assuming that
Hatch can do all the above, not a statement of right or wrong"you are the one that said it was immoral. Or did I misunderstand when you said
"You can stand for morality, and still fight terrorist nations, balance the
budget, and while your at it, help the Japanese" in response to a poster
wanting Hatch to work on more important things?what were you talking
about when you said "morality"? you posted it on an article about
pornography... people only use "morality" for things they find
immoral..."I think that [pornography] is destructive in the
long term"so is alcohol, etc. I think you missed my point, or
you are trying to get around it... my point was - who are you to legislate
morality? what is immoral to you might be fine with other people. and please
admit it - you were in fact making a statement about right and wrong. I
understand you think pornography is wrong. thats fine. my response is simply
"then don't watch it, and don't let your kids watch it". there -
problem solved.thanks for your time.
Charlie - no - I am assuming that Hatch can do all the above, not a statement of
right or wrong. Personally, I do think pornography is damaging to a
lot of relationships and young men because it sets unrealistic expectations, and
most often turns women into simplified objects of male entertainment. Real life is much more complex. Who you partner with is far more complex than
their measurements. It one deminsionalizes relationships, putting too much
emphasis on a single aspect of a person. I think that is destructive in the
long term. I feel horrible for the not-so-perfect girl who is judged based not
on anything she has any control of, and in every other aspect is an outstanding
person. You still have to live with them for the other 23 hours, 55 minutes.Is it always the case - no - nothing is. It is a generalization... and
my opinion. You can have yours. That is the beautiful thing about it.
re - deseret pete | 10:27 a.m"Whether you agree with Hatch or
not,Pornography is a greater threat to society than the loss of jobs"that is just your opinion, and a poor one at that. Control your kids,
not the internet."it is really difficult to repair the hearts
and minds of young and old who are addictted to this horrible habit."addicted? really? only the weak get addicted. so teach your children
strength.re - UtahBlueDevil | 9:18 p.m"People have
maintained morality under far deeper conditions that we are in today."you assume pornography is immoral. if it is consenting adults, I
totally disagree with your conclusion.you all need to control your
kids. You do realize that computers have controls to prevent accessing
pornography, right? just like your cable box?
Come on Orrin. You have done nothing except seek headlines. Where were you on
the immigration issue over the past 12 years? Why didn't you do something
courageous to put caps on medical costs? And now you pander to the tea party.
Start packing Orrin --- and I don't mean heat!
Jennie - I don't think any of those things are mutually exclusive of each other.
You can stand for morality, and still fight terrorist nations, balance the
budget, and while your at it, help the Japanese.People have
maintained morality under far deeper conditions that we are in today.
There is a strong civil liberties group among the base of supporters of the
current administration. They vote and the attorney general works for the
administration. I happen to agree with Senator Hatch. Nevertheless, there is a
real dichotomy at work between religion and secularism.
Whether you agree with Hatch or not,Pornography is a greater threat to society
than the loss of jobs. We can fix unemployment , but it is really difficult to
repair the hearts and minds of young and old who are addictted to this horrible
habit.The consequences of this will spread like a communicable disease for
generations to come.Even now millions of young and old are stricken with this
habit and they don't even know what is wrong with them and their relationship
with their spouses and friends are in Jeopardy.We need to do all in our power do
stop this moral decline of our society.
Drivin adults can always find jobs. Children cant stop the porn industry.
I am a regular viewer of porn and i am a happily married man. I am the most
honest and nicest person you would ever meet. It is too bad that
people who lack self control ruin sexual freedoms for others. I
guess I will go rob someone now because that is what porn viewers do.
Hatch talking about morals. haha. Porn leads to theft, and car jacking, and
terrorism, and spray painting walls, and smoking, and alcohol consumption,
and....You know what else causes those things...no jobs, a bad
economy, etc. Get serious Hatch.Hatch... quit trying to get
re-elected and try doing your job.
So many ignorant commentors here. Has Hatch called for the elimination of
pornography? NO! He is calling for the enforcement of laws. If all of the
laws were enforced, you would still have plenty of porn folks, but some of the
distribution methods and illegal types of porn would be prosecuted and hopefully
eliminated. I don't claim to know what type of porn that is, but I know it's
not all porn, and probably not most of it. I'm guessing it's only the most
violent and sickening kind that very few people watch, but which is probably
indefensible even by most free speech advocates.Maybe I'm wrong, but
I doubt it. All the shouting about Hatch trying to eliminate porn is a
distraction from the enforcement he's really asking for. If so many of you are
so incensed that Hatch has taken up this issue, why don't you go out and push
for the absolute elimination of all lawful limitations Hatch is trying to get
@Gruffi Gummi "Sure, the Christian Right would LOVE to hijack the Tea
Party"The "Christian" Right has already hijacked the tea
party and the republican party. I'm surprised the people of Utah still vote for
a party that hates them as much as the "Christian" Right does.
So why is Hatch slandering Obama about pornography? Obama is not and enforcer of
the law, it is Hatch's duty and responsibility to enforce the laws and make sure
they get funded.Then pornography issue should not even be a federal
issue as its a morality issue which government can not regulate.There is a place in our society for so called pornography, which is an excuse
for some to hateful of being humans. Pornography laws are hate laws and a crime.
Without out a closet pornography industry this country would see crimes of sex
and rape never before witnessed by any generation of man. Pornography has its
use and need in society to balance the physical needs and mental stability of
men and women. Pornography should be decriminalized with restrictions to
exposure. We are wasting too much time and money on a profession that cannot be
shutdown or eliminated. Why all this false pretense to divide and imprison all
I have not paid much attention to Sen. Hatch's voting record, but still that is
unrelated to this letter.Congress passes laws, folks. The Executive
Branch is supposed to administer those laws, and in particular, the DoJ is
supposed to enforce them. (And adhere to them!) If they are not doing their
duty, then is it Congress' obligation to call on them, remind them, or otherwise
withdraw sanction and funding.Sen Hatch may well be using this issue
to highlight his re-election aims. I don't know what is in his heart, but I am
glad, on two counts, that he is poking the AG and doing his own job. The AG has
settled into a habit of deciding which laws his DoJ is going to enforce, and
others that it is not. That is wrong, and is a very dangerous precedent. What
next? Voting laws? Property protection laws? Gun registration laws? Get the
picture?While it is difficult and impossible to legistlate morality,
our leaders, societal or political, whatever, have a responsibility to use their
bully pulpits to raise, highlight, and bring to the discussion these kinds of
issues.Social issues are more important than the economy.
Addiction is not FREEDOM. Some people cannot get it. Porn spreads like a plague
from person to person and family to family, and nation to nation. The schools
are breeding grounds for it. Senator Hatch expresses my views extremely well. I
have seen ruination come to people who get trapped into the addiction, some at
very young ages. Go for it Senator Hatch, this administration in
Washington is corrupt to the core and they have no idea where to draw a line on
anything. Eric Holder is our chief law enforcement officer of the land and he
fails the responsibility just as his mentor and leader has. God Bless you
Senator Hatch and God Bless the poor old USA and those who have failed to catch
the vision of their heritage and who insist on bringing our country down into a
pile of rubble and filth. And finally, God bless my children and grandchildren
that they may be strong and clean from the sins of this generation.
If President Obama had done anything, then it would be a state issue and he
would be overstepping his boundries. It doesn't matter what Pres. Obama does,
Sen. Hatch is going to take the other side.
Re: I M LDS 2 | 2:10 p.m. April 18, 2011 I see nothing wrong with a
political group that promotes morality, and families. Further, I see nothing
wrong with a group like the Tea Party who desire to express their opinions.Certainly people that identify themselves as LDS should have no problem
taking a stand against pornography.
Orrin- the polls must have shown that this is something you might be able to
take some credit for complaining about.However, the real obscenity
is taking place right there in the halls of Congress where your fellow members
of Congress are committing indecent acts against the American people by your
lust for spending more than we have.Stop the spending! Then whine
You tell 'em, UtahBlueDevil.
Oh this is rich (pardon the pun)WhatsInItForMe,"Get someone
like Trump in charge who knows business and see the economy go up."Sorry, but Trump will not be able to leverage the bankruptcy system to
get debts "reorganized" like he does now. Sorry, that isn't an option
for those with the title "President".And if you have ever
watched his show, honesty is not valued in the least in his organization. Lying
is just part of the game. There are a lot of things I do admire about Trump,
but him as president, his ego nor his hair are any of them.And yes,
One Old Man, web porn has only been a problem for the last 30 months. Before
that, it was reruns of the "sound of music" that played on all those
down loadable clips. It is amazing how politics clouds so many peoples memory.
Those pictures that came out of the prisons in Iraq shot by American
soldiers.... just creative figure studies... that's all.
Don't blame me, I voted for Bush.
Wait a minute!Are you trying to tell us that pornography was not
with us before Obama was elected?Why wasn't it washed out by Bush,
Bush, Reagan, and all the other "conservative" Presidents? Wasn't it
here when they were here?The idea of attacking any President over
this is absolutely assinine.And, I thought that
"conservatives" are supposed to worship the Constitution. Isn't there
something in there about freedom of speech?(Don't get me wrong. I
abhor porn and would love to see it heavily regulated. But let's not be
hypocritical about it.)
Orrin, with apologies to Bill Clinton, "It's the economy, stupid".
DeltaFoxtrot,Guess you (and many posters here) think porn is no big
deal. Kind of the thinking that sunk Rome.How is Hatch going to fix
the economy with Obama and the Demo-controlled Senate still messing it up? Hatch
is powerless for now. Get someone like Trump in charge who knows business and
see the economy go up.Socialism only drags economies and countries
down. Proof of that is all around the world, if you don't have blinders on.
I personally am for the maing porn sites carry the .xxx domain vs the .com. It
is a cheap way to regulate it, and it keeps the focus of the federal government
on policing pornography to targeting children within the .com domains or
shutting down .com links to .xxx sites. It also makes it a whole lot easier for
parents to protect their own children by filters that can prevent house access
to .xxx sites. Its a lot like setting up a red light district in towns. No
one's free speech is stopped, and children can more safely use the web.
Every time I go to the store, prices are higher. Every time I get gasoline, my
bill is $20 or more higher than the last time I filled up. Friends cannot find
a job no matter how hard they look and many are losing their homes. Most have a
hard time making ends meet whereas a while back it was easy to do so. Yet, with all this going on, Senator Hatch is worried about adult porn. If
this is honest and not some reelection scam, I say GOOD for him! Pornography has escalated so much in our society that even some of the best
homes are affected by it. Marriages break up and children are left without
fathers. Women are degraded, and instead of being looked at as beautiful
daughters of God, they are seen as cheap and promiscuous. Men involved in
pornography have no respect for women, and start looking at their wives as
inferior and without sex appeal. The women become hostile toward their husbands
and the children are in the middle of all this conflict. If
pornography were controlled more, perhaps our country, our families, and our
children would be better off. 11
Fools mock but they shall mourn . . .
I guess that makes us even.I'm irate over Hatch.Dude,
stop playing games and insulting the President with hopes of trying to score
points to be reelected and START WORKING RIGHT NOW!Deficits
skyrocketed, he was silent.Economy crashed, he was silent.Wars were
started, he was silent.Now all of a sudden he's fighting for his
careers and can't shut up about any subject that doesn't matter!Get
back to work and fix this country! We can worry about porn later! Get back our
jobs, retirement, and homes!
A nice political move by a career politician. What would get more free media
time than something that deals with Porn. Personally, I think a big part of the
problem in Washington is the career politician. I hope you have a nice final
year in DC Mr. Hatch, thanks for your service now don't let the door hit you on
the way out.
To: Brother Chuck Schroeder: it is obvious by your expression of anger and
frustration that you don't find a problem with pornography and the disease that
it is. Pornography is of the devil because it degrades, it causes decay of the
heart and mind and I, for one are glad that Senator Hatch has the drive and the
backbone to stand up for what he believes. Pornography is denograting and only
hurts others. It destroys marriages, it encourages one to be unfaithful to
covenants and a slave to unnatural desires. It brings no good to a soul.
What a shame!! Our President wants this economy. Remember he said he wants the
price of fuel to rise, he is happy with where our economy is headed.This
is just one more example of how truly low this country has fallen. There will be
no recovery unless we get our priorities in line. We must protect families
first. The biggest drain on our economy is social services; the elderly with no
family care, the single parents who don't earn enough to provide for themselves
and their children, and those who suck off the goverment for whatever other
reason. We are being eaten alive by the results of the destruction of the
So....Hatch supporters?HOW MUCH MORE INCOME TAX do you want to pay,
to fund porn investigations?Ayn Rand, the Tea Party and the
libertarians would disagree with patrolling porn ... at least per their stated
beliefs in smaller government.
Utah continues its Substance Abuse and Anti-Violence Coordinating Council for
the past 21 years. It is a leading-edge program represented by various groups,
organizations and government. They provide leadership and generate unity for
Utahs ongoing efforts to combat substance abuse and the related violence.
Senator Hatch supports this effort and should look at pornography and its
related abuse and violence toward children, women and men that is surfacing more
and more. Some indicate that pornography is an addiction and maybe more so than
illegal drugs, for some. The Coordinating Council promotes collaboration and
mutually beneficial for public and private partnerships. This would be a good
start for Utah as a State to be a laboratory as a State program. We have plenty
of people in Utah prisons and in programs that are classified as sex abusers.
Even if they get out of incarceration, they will still be required to register
as offenders to help us protect our children and grandchildren from these
people. Even though some dont believe government should be involved with
programs, this is one that should be looked at by the Executive and Legislative
Branches as the Courts need your assistance.
I M LDS 2 - the Tea Party is, in fact, not a party. It's a platform (anti-tax,
small government) without a party, although it tries to influence the
Republicans. Why one would join... Maybe precisely because of the platform,
rather than tribal mentality?huggyface - not so simple. The Supreme
Court developed a three-prong test of what constitutes "obscenity" in
Miller v. California. All these three prongs basically leave it up to the jury
to decide if the contents is "obscene" and "devoid of artistic
values". It is BY LAW completely arbitrary, and any jury trial regarding
"obscenity" will unavoidably develop into a political referendum. And
the Religious Right does not even have a simple majority in the society, much
less the majority necessary to convict. So, if the jury pool is representative,
you can forget about the "guilty" verdict. Not just in rotten liberal
areas like San Francisco, and if you don't believe, then use google to find out
what happened in Provo, when the state tried to convict one Larry Peterman on
obscenity charges. Really, google it, the story is really funny! So, Sen. Hatch
is basically advocating wasting taxpayers' money.
Hatch simply wants us to enforce the laws already established for porn (soft,
hard, child, etc.) It doesn't do any good to have a law if it's not enforced.
Porn is as addictive as heroin. What if free samples of heroin were
being handed out at the mall or on the street corner by the school? We would
obviously want it stopped.
I can only hope that not everyone in congress is as one dimensional as many of
you seem to be.If we as a country can only deal with ONE issue at a time,
then we're like helpless little 5 year olds.But since pornagraphy is so
far down the list for so many, including the LDS pretenders.....then perhaps we
should decide, from an eternal perspective, what is really important today.If porn, along with the many other social ills that tend to accompany it is
just not that important to you, then you have clearly revealed your true
Gruffi,Well if what you say is true, then the "Tea Party"
is so ill-defined, heterogeneous, and all over the map that it would be
impossible for anyone (including you) to make a definitive statement about what
the Tea Party does or does not represent.Can you have a political
party that has NO platform?If you did have such a party, why would
anyone join it?
@justaguy:Let's look at social policy. Immigration, healthcare, social
security, abortion, gay marriage. Congress hemmed and hawed over these issues
continually for the past 20 years, and nothing has changed. We are socially at
the same place that we were in 1991. Social policy debate doesn't
solve anything. If one party gets enough majority to force their version through
the other party will do their best to undo it as soon as they get a majority.
We're one of those ducks in the shooting game at the carnival, back
and forth, back and forth, no real progress anywhere. Meanwhile our economy
keeps going down and debt keeps going up. Why is that? Because both
parties are keeping the voting populace distracted with social issues and
completely ignoring the real problems. Problems that it will be too late to
solve if we don't act soon.@BobP:"In many ways
social issues are more important than pocket book issues."When
the country is bankrupt and the government collapses, who will there be to tell
us how to live? If we don't act now to save our economy, there won't be a USA
Yes, I am serious. Glen Beck is not the Tea Party. Actually, the Tea Party does
not have any well defined "leadership" at all, nor a set of
"approved" political principles defining the orthodoxy. It is loosely
woven around the anti-big government and anti-tax sentiments, common to
conservatives and libertarians. Sure, the Christian Right would LOVE to hijack
the Tea Party, and the quotes from GB may illustrate this desire. Equally sure,
the political Left would love the Christian Right to try to hijack the TP and
alienate the libertarians.
It is easy to tell the moral lepers from decent folks on this thread.In many ways social issues are more important than pocket book issues.
Gruffi Gummi,"Tea Partiers are primarily libertarian-leaning,
and don't tend to tell other people how they are supposed to live their
lives."Are you serious? I don't know how I could have been led
to believe otherwise.Oh, wait. Maybe it is because one of the most
high-profile "Tea Partier" is Glen Beck. On his "9/12
Project" site are listed the "platform" for the Tea Party,
including these "principles":#2. "I believe in God
and He is the Center of my Life."#3. "I must always try to
be a more honest person than I was yesterday."#4. "The
family is sacred."The 12 Values:HonestyReverenceHopeThriftHumilityCharitySincerityModerationHard WorkCouragePersonal ResponsibilityGratitudeSounds an awful lot like religion in political clothing to me. Beck's
"Tea Party" rally on MLK Jr. day last year, and starring Sarah Palin,
was a religious revival, and everbody knew it, including Beck.So I'm
not sure where you get your information, but the Tea Party is anything BUT
"libertarian" and is most certainly "religious", and trying
to tell everyone how to live their lives.
Prostitution is illegal almost everywhere in this country - one person paying
another for sex. Then you want to leave pornography alone, one party paying two
other people to have sex on camera. All the same reasons for outlawing
prostitution apply at least as well to pornography, from the degradation of
societal norms, to the destruction of families, to the spread of disease, to the
individual destruction of the participants.The idea that it has
nothing to do with the economy is laughable. Anything that contributes to the
destruction of marriage and family is devastating to our economy, especially
such a major contributor as porn. Want to eliminate poverty? Get people to get
an education before marriage, get jobs, get married before children, and stay
married. Want to increase poverty? Increase the number of single women and
fatherless homes. That will in turn increase teen pregnancy, delinquency,
school dropouts, and drug addiction, insuring the cycle continues. True, porn
is one cause of divorce among many - but it's a big one. And single parenthood
is the single biggest cause of poverty in this country.
DeltaFoxtrot | 11:33 a.m. April 18, 2011 My point is simple. I want
a moratorium on all social issues until the economy, jobs and debt problems are
solved. No more arguing immigration, healthcare, social security, gay marriage,
abortion, etc. until the 3 biggest problems facing this nation today have been
addressed.------I disagree. If we always put off the Social
Issues in favor of the "bigger issues" (when did social issues become
small fry?), they will never, ever be addressed. There is no reason we can't
multi-task. We aren't children.Additionally, were you adversely
affected by the social issue put on hold, you'd be singing a different tune.
Why regulate the Porn industry, Orrin, and give other industries a
"hands-off" approach to regulation?Seems pretty
hypocritical to me.Not to mention the need for "smaller
government" you keep spouting.
Our law makers, of both parties, have been and are working the economy as the #1
priority. Senator Hatch is working on his particular approach with a balanced
budget amendment. There are other issues to work and Senator Hatch ought to be
applauded for taking a few minutes to stand for truth and virtue. It is
ridiculous to try to shout-down someoneIM LDS2 A little diversion
Dont think so. Porn is a major problem in our society today. It needs to be
addressed in a significant manner. While we all find individual liberties
essential to our way of life we also believe in laws, most of which are based on
morals for the good of all. The Founders provided for a means to impose basic
moral standards while assuring individual freedom. To call that fascism shows
ignorance or disdain for what is good for society. What Now
maybe one thing our country needs is more boy scouts helping grandmas cross the
street and living to an individual oath that includes moral cleanliness.
Everyone wants their special needs on the front page, and not someone else's.
There are many priorities of the President: War in the Middle East,
including northern Africa, Health Crisis, Morality gone blank, and Economic
turnaround in the toilet. Where do YOU want to start to make a
Unlike his crusade against the BCS I am all for Hatch's attack on porn. Our
youth have far too easy access to pornography.
A little bit more regarding the Tea Party: the TEA is primarily an anti-tax,
anti-big government movement. These issues are common to conservatives and
libertarians, and being mostly silent with respect to social issues allowed the
Tea Party movement to become a viable political force. IF people like Sen. Hatch
hijack the Tea Party to promote their own political agenda, the alliance of
conservatives and libertarians will crumble. The Democrats and other
proponents of the cancerous growth of the government sincerely thank you, Sen.
Hatch!To people eager to jump on the "fighting the moral
rot" bandwagon, I have one example for you to consider. Do you remember how
the zealous conservatives in the Supreme Court dealt a heavy blow to the rotten
marijuana use in California? By invoking the Commercial Clause and in fact
sacrificing another (and arguably more important than pot) conservative
principle: the states' sovereignty (now that Supreme Court's opinion justifying
the broad interpretation of the Commercial Clause can be used for the purpose
of stripping states of other prerogatives as well). If this isn't moronic, then
I don't know what is. Think about the consequences of your actions.
I don't need Hatch's nanny state views telling me how to be an adult. If I want
to look at pornography, and nobody involved in said pornography is a minor, then
it is not his business.
@DeltaFoxtrot: You can't just turn your back on social problems while you work
on economic issues. They are very inter-connected in a lot of ways. While the
economy, jobs and the country's debt are important, it just doesn't work to
focus soley on them and let other problems run free. Remember the guy on Ed
Sullivan that used to keep plates spinning on the ends of sticks? Toward the
end he'd be hustling and sweating, running back and forth between plates that
were about to fall. He was in crisis mode. And then plates began to crash to
the floor. We don't want our country to get to that point but that's where your
approach would take us.
Gees, Chuck Schroeder, calm down before you burst a vessel. Me thinks thou doest
protest too much to maintain credibility.Put your thesaurus away for a couple
hours and let the rest of us participate. Even Hatch, who I think should have
kept his 1976 promise to step down after three terms, is entitled to his
position.Or should I assume that, by your divergence, that you
condone child and other forms of pornography? You do have opinions on other
matters I presume? So does Hatch.
I wish Senator Hatch had as much concern about ACTUAL toxic waste as he seems to
have about metaphorical toxic waste. His environmental voting record is among
the lowest ever recorded.
Hatch is 100% correct on this one. The Obama administration hasn't keep any
promises.. ecomonic or social.Porn is a real problem and needs
legal boundaries for prosecution. Porn addiction breaks up families which lead
to other social problems such as single parent familes, and welfare.I will continue to vote for Hatch as long as he runs for office. He's done
more good for this country than most politicians.
Isn't this just part of the cut, cut, cut, then cut more philosophy? Hatch
should not be mad about this.
I M LDS 2: "Because they have to appeal to the moralizing evangelicals and
Tea Partiers..."The Tea Partiers are primarily
libertarian-leaning, and don't tend to tell other people how they are supposed
to live their lives.
More pandering to the base "Tee" party base. (no, not redundant) Why fix the economy, address the deficit and fund two and half wars
underway.It's all God, Gays, Guns, and now the porn.
If Hugh Hefner and Larry Flint were running against Hatch in the next election,
we might allow him this little diversion.But as it is... NO!
Hatch, also, loves puppies, apple pie, helps grandmas across the street...Wonderful.Hatch knows if he can keep the "base"
occupied with social issues, he can easily slip into a 6 year free ride in
DC.It worked for Lee.Why can't it work for Hatch?
Porn degrades both men and women, but particularly women. It turns them into
nothing but objects of lust. It can be as addictive as crack for those who view
it - and destroys the ability to have a normal relationship for those so
addicted. A real woman can never measure up to the fantasy on the screen.For all of you who think it's no big deal, what about those who are the
"actors" in it? Do you really think that all of them are there by
choice? Many got sucked into it by fake promises of a real acting career, some
were actually forced into it. All of them have had their self esteem destroyed,
and their ability to leave and find something else respectable trashed. If you
don't think it's any big deal - would you want your mother, sister or daughter
there? Do you dream of your little boy growing up to be a porn star?
@Anonymous Infinity:Social issues have their place, but they are
hardly cut and dry. What you think of as offensive or wasteful others think of
as expressive and necessary, and both viewpoints are valid. Which is why they
are debated for years upon years with very little progress either way.My point is simple. I want a moratorium on all social issues until the
economy, jobs and debt problems are solved. No more arguing immigration,
healthcare, social security, gay marriage, abortion, etc. until the 3 biggest
problems facing this nation today have been addressed.Both parties
are guilty of tying social reform into economic reform. Put a stop to it, or in
another few years there won't be a nation left to reform socially.Once the US isn't on the verge of economic collapse we can go back to arguing
the rest of this meaningless garbage.
Re. Schroeder. Methinks thou dost protest too much!
Hatch, why don't you focus on trying to get the TSA abloished or some other
issue that REALLY matters. Don't waste peoples time with this.
Hatch is nuts. Sen. Orrin Hatch's (R) return to his home state of Utah during
the congressional recess included an unexpected stop. Hatch was selected for
jury duty. If Hatch were retired, he could serve as a jury member more often
!!! Let's hope the trial he's assigned to isn't a drunk driving case where an
illegal alien killed an American Citizen. There's no doubt he would vote to
acquit !!!. We know Hatch is so honest, he won't block this corruption either.
The Patriot Act's money laundering provisions, where are they today?. Why the
tobacco industry feared The Patriot Act Rep. Michael Oxley removed a provision
involving money laundering from the bill at the behest of the White House and
GOP whip Tom DeLay, under pressure from Big Tobacco. We must get rid of all GOP
deregulation "Loopholes that Allow Qualifying Institutions to Still Serve
as Conduits for Tax Evasion then and report all to the IRS for collection."
The underlying dynamic is bought-off congressmen ignoring real social problems
and using the legislative process to construct massive perpetual handouts for
their campaign-contributor sponsors. It's time to tax fairly GOP.
When did 'jobs, jobs, jobs'... turn into stopping abortion,
pornography, and affirmative action? Another agenda, in plain sight.
Sen Hatch Type Feminists Psychoanalyze Themselves Again. Diversity,
multiculturalism, tolerance, and political correctness are the watchwords in
colleges and universities today. The campus thought police have defined those
words to enforce the liberal leftwing agenda. Diversity means diversity only for
thoughts and practices that are politically correct. Political correctness means
conformity to leftwing orthodoxy. Multiculturalism means all cultures are equal
but Western Judeo-Christian civilization is the worst. Tolerance means
acceptance of all behaviors except those that comport with the Ten Commandments.
Do you ever wonder why the internet is so polluted with pornography? The
Supreme Court is the reason: it blocks every attempt by Congress to regulate the
pornographers. From its ivory tower, the Court props open the floodgates for
smut and graphic sex. Over the past five years, it has repeatedly found new
constitutional rights for vulgarity, this year invalidating the Child Online
Protection Act (COPA). For decades, pornographers have enjoyed better treatment
by our courts than any other industry. The justices have constitutionally
protected obscenity in libraries, filth over cable television, and unlimited
internet pornography. OK Mr. Hatch, who is it that picks these Supreme Court
Judges?. To late to whine about it after the fact.
This is one reason to keep Senator Hatch in office with his Seniority. Senator
Lee downplays that bit in his push. Senator Lee wants to be the Senior Senator
from Utah but that doesn't give him Seniority. Senator Hatch has done a lot of
good over the years. Economy is important but he is strong with the judicial
committee and the Attorney General is responsible to that committee. Senator
Hatch may not be perfect but he is a stalwart for principles that Utahn's
respect. This is an issue, such as drugs, that needs to be addressed. You
cannot lower your standards due to the "economy". Pornography is
economy for many individuals in our country and around the world. Is that
"Good" economy? No!. We need to have our Federal executive
government working to prosecute those in that industry. Our own Attorney
General needs to join in this effort as it is insidious and worthwhile to
further the cause against pornography and it's related industries. With so many
ways to receive and access pornography, we need better legislation and this is a
Dear Sen. Hatch - Don't run for re-election. Congress was not meant to be
a carrer as you and many other have turned it into. Please step aside and let
someone else take a turn.
Because they have to appeal to the moralizing evangelicals and Tea Partiers,
Hatch and his cronies are trying to raise as many "moral" issues as
they can against Obama. Abortion, pornography, "death panels",
religion in politics, traditional marriage, and the list goes on.But
whenever a party or a politician campaigns on moral issues, because moral issues
are not clear-cut, the party/politician falls into fascism: trying to force
everyone to conform to their morals, and restricting the civil liberties of
others who have a different moral perspective.In this way,
ironically, those who speak so highly of "freedom" and
"liberty" become the enemies of both.
Poor ole Hatch talks about hardcore pornography is typified by extreme violence
against women, now, that's a radical feminist statement if I ever heard one.
Perhaps I'll just have to educate Utah's own Sen Hatch then. Here's
the truth.DADS condemns all forms of domestic violence, but wants to
publicize the fact that every responsible study shows that women commit at least
equal violence against men. It perpetrates the adolescent-feminist chauvinist
myth of all women as innocent victims, and men as animal brutes. It fosters the
bias of courts against fatherhood, where mothers are awarded custody 75% of the
time, and mothers are issued custody grabbing restraining orders like candy,
effectively excluding fathers from the lives of their children. This type of
rhetoric is thus a cause of the current Father absence and is the number one
predictor of child delinquency, drug use, teen pregnancy, incarceration, and
child suicide. These problems will never be solved until fathers are afforded
the same "rights" as mother have in the family. The feminist driven
one-sided domestic violence rhetoric, which is challenged in this section, is
part of the problem, not part of the solution.My views.
The argument by DeltaFoxtrot is spurious. The government is responsible for a
meriad of issues. Just because the government budget, spending and taxation
rates are out of kilter and need to be reformed, it doesn't follow that social
rot issues, headlined by pornography and abortion, porous borders, crime and
corruption, etc. can't be addressed. People who think we need to lay off
enforcement must be blind to the damage these crimes do, or must be democrats or
libertarians. If people don't keep the pressure on Holder and others in
enforcement bodies, then we are vulnerable to the damage the rotten people
behind this activity are causing to society. This is a worldwide problem just
like drugs. I applaud Senator Hatch and the other senators in this request.
Clearly economic and budget issues head the list. I agree with that, but not to
the exclusion of everything else.
I have to agree, DeltaFoxtrot. Although I think our legislators should be
focusing on jobs and the economy, I do want the DOJ to focus on child
pornography. Adult pornography is much further down the list, and to me this
seems like another pre-election-year pander by Sen. Hatch.
I'm glad that Sen. Hatch is angry opver Obama's lack of authority in this issue.
Porn destroys families..and it should be dealt with! Porn leads to child abuse
and other terrible crimes. Sen. Hatch's priorities are right where they should
be! He is doing his job and I hope he stays where is.
Sen Hatch is full of "hogwash", yes that's right, I said it DN. If the
natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to
be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do
not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or
do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of
mankind? Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) has sent a letter to Attorney General Eric
Holder demanding more federal obscenity prosecutions. The letter was co-signed
by more than 100 other senators and congressmen. Here's an excerpt: Last June,
an important briefing in the Capitol outlined how pornography has changed,
becoming more harmful, addictive, and available, and linked to other crimes.
Researchers, scholars, and other experts explained, for example, how todays
hardcore pornography is typified by extreme violence against women..... STOP
RIGHT THERE. Social policies in the United States have never included support
for fathers in keeping their families together. While trillions of dollars are
being spent on welfare for women, (mothers?) and children, nothing is being
spent for FATHERS.
Gotta love this guy.Economy in shambles, real unemployment in double
digits, debt out of control and he wants to debate things like porn.How about prioritizing a bit?Fix the economy, put people back to
work, stop the government from borrowing practically half of its budget then you
can go back to ranting about social issues.