Sen. Orrin Hatch irate over Obama's pornography policy

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  • charlie91342 Sylmar, CA
    April 20, 2011 4:25 p.m.

    re - UtahBlueDevil | 3:33 p.m.
    "Charlie - no - I am assuming that Hatch can do all the above, not a statement of right or wrong"

    you are the one that said it was immoral. Or did I misunderstand when you said "You can stand for morality, and still fight terrorist nations, balance the budget, and while your at it, help the Japanese" in response to a poster wanting Hatch to work on more important things?

    what were you talking about when you said "morality"? you posted it on an article about pornography... people only use "morality" for things they find immoral...

    "I think that [pornography] is destructive in the long term"

    so is alcohol, etc. I think you missed my point, or you are trying to get around it... my point was - who are you to legislate morality? what is immoral to you might be fine with other people. and please admit it - you were in fact making a statement about right and wrong. I understand you think pornography is wrong. thats fine. my response is simply "then don't watch it, and don't let your kids watch it". there - problem solved.

    thanks for your time.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    April 20, 2011 3:33 p.m.

    Charlie - no - I am assuming that Hatch can do all the above, not a statement of right or wrong.

    Personally, I do think pornography is damaging to a lot of relationships and young men because it sets unrealistic expectations, and most often turns women into simplified objects of male entertainment.

    Real life is much more complex. Who you partner with is far more complex than their measurements. It one deminsionalizes relationships, putting too much emphasis on a single aspect of a person. I think that is destructive in the long term. I feel horrible for the not-so-perfect girl who is judged based not on anything she has any control of, and in every other aspect is an outstanding person. You still have to live with them for the other 23 hours, 55 minutes.

    Is it always the case - no - nothing is. It is a generalization... and my opinion. You can have yours. That is the beautiful thing about it.

  • charlie91342 Sylmar, CA
    April 20, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    re - deseret pete | 10:27 a.m
    "Whether you agree with Hatch or not,Pornography is a greater threat to society than the loss of jobs"

    that is just your opinion, and a poor one at that. Control your kids, not the internet.

    "it is really difficult to repair the hearts and minds of young and old who are addictted to this horrible habit."

    addicted? really? only the weak get addicted. so teach your children strength.

    re - UtahBlueDevil | 9:18 p.m
    "People have maintained morality under far deeper conditions that we are in today."

    you assume pornography is immoral. if it is consenting adults, I totally disagree with your conclusion.

    you all need to control your kids. You do realize that computers have controls to prevent accessing pornography, right? just like your cable box?

  • perspicacious Salt lake city, Utah
    April 20, 2011 10:17 a.m.

    Come on Orrin. You have done nothing except seek headlines. Where were you on the immigration issue over the past 12 years? Why didn't you do something courageous to put caps on medical costs? And now you pander to the tea party. Start packing Orrin --- and I don't mean heat!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    April 19, 2011 9:18 p.m.

    Jennie - I don't think any of those things are mutually exclusive of each other. You can stand for morality, and still fight terrorist nations, balance the budget, and while your at it, help the Japanese.

    People have maintained morality under far deeper conditions that we are in today.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    April 19, 2011 11:09 a.m.

    There is a strong civil liberties group among the base of supporters of the current administration. They vote and the attorney general works for the administration. I happen to agree with Senator Hatch. Nevertheless, there is a real dichotomy at work between religion and secularism.

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    April 19, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    Whether you agree with Hatch or not,Pornography is a greater threat to society than the loss of jobs. We can fix unemployment , but it is really difficult to repair the hearts and minds of young and old who are addictted to this horrible habit.The consequences of this will spread like a communicable disease for generations to come.Even now millions of young and old are stricken with this habit and they don't even know what is wrong with them and their relationship with their spouses and friends are in Jeopardy.We need to do all in our power do stop this moral decline of our society.

  • Aggielove Junction city, Oregon
    April 19, 2011 10:04 a.m.

    Drivin adults can always find jobs. Children cant stop the porn industry.

  • Ron Burgundy Ogden, UT
    April 19, 2011 9:05 a.m.

    I am a regular viewer of porn and i am a happily married man. I am the most honest and nicest person you would ever meet.

    It is too bad that people who lack self control ruin sexual freedoms for others.

    I guess I will go rob someone now because that is what porn viewers do.

  • dustman Nampa, ID
    April 19, 2011 8:24 a.m.

    Hatch talking about morals. haha. Porn leads to theft, and car jacking, and terrorism, and spray painting walls, and smoking, and alcohol consumption, and....

    You know what else causes those things...no jobs, a bad economy, etc. Get serious Hatch.

    Hatch... quit trying to get re-elected and try doing your job.

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    April 19, 2011 8:00 a.m.

    So many ignorant commentors here. Has Hatch called for the elimination of pornography? NO! He is calling for the enforcement of laws. If all of the laws were enforced, you would still have plenty of porn folks, but some of the distribution methods and illegal types of porn would be prosecuted and hopefully eliminated. I don't claim to know what type of porn that is, but I know it's not all porn, and probably not most of it. I'm guessing it's only the most violent and sickening kind that very few people watch, but which is probably indefensible even by most free speech advocates.

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it. All the shouting about Hatch trying to eliminate porn is a distraction from the enforcement he's really asking for. If so many of you are so incensed that Hatch has taken up this issue, why don't you go out and push for the absolute elimination of all lawful limitations Hatch is trying to get enforced?

  • Noodlekaboodle Salt Lake City, UT
    April 19, 2011 7:28 a.m.

    @Gruffi Gummi
    "Sure, the Christian Right would LOVE to hijack the Tea Party"
    The "Christian" Right has already hijacked the tea party and the republican party. I'm surprised the people of Utah still vote for a party that hates them as much as the "Christian" Right does.

  • My2Cents Kearns, UT
    April 19, 2011 5:12 a.m.

    So why is Hatch slandering Obama about pornography? Obama is not and enforcer of the law, it is Hatch's duty and responsibility to enforce the laws and make sure they get funded.

    Then pornography issue should not even be a federal issue as its a morality issue which government can not regulate.

    There is a place in our society for so called pornography, which is an excuse for some to hateful of being humans. Pornography laws are hate laws and a crime. Without out a closet pornography industry this country would see crimes of sex and rape never before witnessed by any generation of man. Pornography has its use and need in society to balance the physical needs and mental stability of men and women. Pornography should be decriminalized with restrictions to exposure. We are wasting too much time and money on a profession that cannot be shutdown or eliminated. Why all this false pretense to divide and imprison all of humanity?

  • 1Infidel APO, AE
    April 19, 2011 4:46 a.m.

    I have not paid much attention to Sen. Hatch's voting record, but still that is unrelated to this letter.

    Congress passes laws, folks. The Executive Branch is supposed to administer those laws, and in particular, the DoJ is supposed to enforce them. (And adhere to them!) If they are not doing their duty, then is it Congress' obligation to call on them, remind them, or otherwise withdraw sanction and funding.

    Sen Hatch may well be using this issue to highlight his re-election aims. I don't know what is in his heart, but I am glad, on two counts, that he is poking the AG and doing his own job. The AG has settled into a habit of deciding which laws his DoJ is going to enforce, and others that it is not. That is wrong, and is a very dangerous precedent. What next? Voting laws? Property protection laws? Gun registration laws? Get the picture?

    While it is difficult and impossible to legistlate morality, our leaders, societal or political, whatever, have a responsibility to use their bully pulpits to raise, highlight, and bring to the discussion these kinds of issues.

    Social issues are more important than the economy.

  • Elcapitan Ivins, UT
    April 18, 2011 11:42 p.m.

    Addiction is not FREEDOM. Some people cannot get it. Porn spreads like a plague from person to person and family to family, and nation to nation. The schools are breeding grounds for it. Senator Hatch expresses my views extremely well. I have seen ruination come to people who get trapped into the addiction, some at very young ages.

    Go for it Senator Hatch, this administration in Washington is corrupt to the core and they have no idea where to draw a line on anything. Eric Holder is our chief law enforcement officer of the land and he fails the responsibility just as his mentor and leader has. God Bless you Senator Hatch and God Bless the poor old USA and those who have failed to catch the vision of their heritage and who insist on bringing our country down into a pile of rubble and filth. And finally, God bless my children and grandchildren that they may be strong and clean from the sins of this generation.

  • Instereo Eureka, UT
    April 18, 2011 9:02 p.m.

    If President Obama had done anything, then it would be a state issue and he would be overstepping his boundries. It doesn't matter what Pres. Obama does, Sen. Hatch is going to take the other side.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 18, 2011 7:52 p.m.

    Re: I M LDS 2 | 2:10 p.m. April 18, 2011

    I see nothing wrong with a political group that promotes morality, and families. Further, I see nothing wrong with a group like the Tea Party who desire to express their opinions.

    Certainly people that identify themselves as LDS should have no problem taking a stand against pornography.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 18, 2011 7:50 p.m.

    Orrin- the polls must have shown that this is something you might be able to take some credit for complaining about.

    However, the real obscenity is taking place right there in the halls of Congress where your fellow members of Congress are committing indecent acts against the American people by your lust for spending more than we have.

    Stop the spending! Then whine about porn.

  • Penguin Inc. Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 18, 2011 7:06 p.m.

    You tell 'em, UtahBlueDevil.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    April 18, 2011 6:58 p.m.

    Oh this is rich (pardon the pun)WhatsInItForMe,

    "Get someone like Trump in charge who knows business and see the economy go up."

    Sorry, but Trump will not be able to leverage the bankruptcy system to get debts "reorganized" like he does now. Sorry, that isn't an option for those with the title "President".

    And if you have ever watched his show, honesty is not valued in the least in his organization. Lying is just part of the game. There are a lot of things I do admire about Trump, but him as president, his ego nor his hair are any of them.

    And yes, One Old Man, web porn has only been a problem for the last 30 months. Before that, it was reruns of the "sound of music" that played on all those down loadable clips. It is amazing how politics clouds so many peoples memory. Those pictures that came out of the prisons in Iraq shot by American soldiers.... just creative figure studies... that's all.

  • Penguin Inc. Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 18, 2011 6:53 p.m.

    Don't blame me, I voted for Bush.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    April 18, 2011 6:40 p.m.

    Wait a minute!

    Are you trying to tell us that pornography was not with us before Obama was elected?

    Why wasn't it washed out by Bush, Bush, Reagan, and all the other "conservative" Presidents? Wasn't it here when they were here?

    The idea of attacking any President over this is absolutely assinine.

    And, I thought that "conservatives" are supposed to worship the Constitution. Isn't there something in there about freedom of speech?

    (Don't get me wrong. I abhor porn and would love to see it heavily regulated. But let's not be hypocritical about it.)

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    April 18, 2011 6:23 p.m.

    Orrin, with apologies to Bill Clinton, "It's the economy, stupid".

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    April 18, 2011 6:15 p.m.

    DeltaFoxtrot,

    Guess you (and many posters here) think porn is no big deal. Kind of the thinking that sunk Rome.

    How is Hatch going to fix the economy with Obama and the Demo-controlled Senate still messing it up? Hatch is powerless for now. Get someone like Trump in charge who knows business and see the economy go up.

    Socialism only drags economies and countries down. Proof of that is all around the world, if you don't have blinders on.

  • JK in S Portland, OR
    April 18, 2011 5:39 p.m.

    I personally am for the maing porn sites carry the .xxx domain vs the .com. It is a cheap way to regulate it, and it keeps the focus of the federal government on policing pornography to targeting children within the .com domains or shutting down .com links to .xxx sites. It also makes it a whole lot easier for parents to protect their own children by filters that can prevent house access to .xxx sites. Its a lot like setting up a red light district in towns. No one's free speech is stopped, and children can more safely use the web.

  • Serenity Manti, UT
    April 18, 2011 5:35 p.m.

    Every time I go to the store, prices are higher. Every time I get gasoline, my bill is $20 or more higher than the last time I filled up. Friends cannot find a job no matter how hard they look and many are losing their homes. Most have a hard time making ends meet whereas a while back it was easy to do so.

    Yet, with all this going on, Senator Hatch is worried about adult porn. If this is honest and not some reelection scam, I say GOOD for him!

    Pornography has escalated so much in our society that even some of the best homes are affected by it. Marriages break up and children are left without fathers. Women are degraded, and instead of being looked at as beautiful daughters of God, they are seen as cheap and promiscuous. Men involved in pornography have no respect for women, and start looking at their wives as inferior and without sex appeal. The women become hostile toward their husbands and the children are in the middle of all this conflict.

    If pornography were controlled more, perhaps our country, our families, and our children would be better off.

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  • Sandy Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2011 5:14 p.m.

    Fools mock but they shall mourn . . .

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    April 18, 2011 5:09 p.m.

    I guess that makes us even.

    I'm irate over Hatch.

    Dude, stop playing games and insulting the President with hopes of trying to score points to be reelected and START WORKING RIGHT NOW!

    Deficits skyrocketed, he was silent.
    Economy crashed, he was silent.
    Wars were started, he was silent.

    Now all of a sudden he's fighting for his careers and can't shut up about any subject that doesn't matter!

    Get back to work and fix this country! We can worry about porn later! Get back our jobs, retirement, and homes!

  • BU52 Provo, ut
    April 18, 2011 4:34 p.m.

    A nice political move by a career politician. What would get more free media time than something that deals with Porn. Personally, I think a big part of the problem in Washington is the career politician. I hope you have a nice final year in DC Mr. Hatch, thanks for your service now don't let the door hit you on the way out.

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    April 18, 2011 4:32 p.m.

    To: Brother Chuck Schroeder: it is obvious by your expression of anger and frustration that you don't find a problem with pornography and the disease that it is. Pornography is of the devil because it degrades, it causes decay of the heart and mind and I, for one are glad that Senator Hatch has the drive and the backbone to stand up for what he believes. Pornography is denograting and only hurts others. It destroys marriages, it encourages one to be unfaithful to covenants and a slave to unnatural desires. It brings no good to a soul.

  • county mom Monroe, UT
    April 18, 2011 4:30 p.m.

    What a shame!! Our President wants this economy. Remember he said he wants the price of fuel to rise, he is happy with where our economy is headed.
    This is just one more example of how truly low this country has fallen. There will be no recovery unless we get our priorities in line. We must protect families first. The biggest drain on our economy is social services; the elderly with no family care, the single parents who don't earn enough to provide for themselves and their children, and those who suck off the goverment for whatever other reason. We are being eaten alive by the results of the destruction of the nuclear family.

  • Reasonable Person Layton, UT
    April 18, 2011 4:15 p.m.

    So....Hatch supporters?

    HOW MUCH MORE INCOME TAX do you want to pay, to fund porn investigations?

    Ayn Rand, the Tea Party and the libertarians would disagree with patrolling porn ... at least per their stated beliefs in smaller government.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    April 18, 2011 4:10 p.m.

    Utah continues its Substance Abuse and Anti-Violence Coordinating Council for the past 21 years. It is a leading-edge program represented by various groups, organizations and government. They provide leadership and generate unity for Utahs ongoing efforts to combat substance abuse and the related violence. Senator Hatch supports this effort and should look at pornography and its related abuse and violence toward children, women and men that is surfacing more and more. Some indicate that pornography is an addiction and maybe more so than illegal drugs, for some. The Coordinating Council promotes collaboration and mutually beneficial for public and private partnerships. This would be a good start for Utah as a State to be a laboratory as a State program. We have plenty of people in Utah prisons and in programs that are classified as sex abusers. Even if they get out of incarceration, they will still be required to register as offenders to help us protect our children and grandchildren from these people. Even though some dont believe government should be involved with programs, this is one that should be looked at by the Executive and Legislative Branches as the Courts need your assistance.

  • Gruffi Gummi Lehi, UT
    April 18, 2011 4:08 p.m.

    I M LDS 2 - the Tea Party is, in fact, not a party. It's a platform (anti-tax, small government) without a party, although it tries to influence the Republicans. Why one would join... Maybe precisely because of the platform, rather than tribal mentality?

    huggyface - not so simple. The Supreme Court developed a three-prong test of what constitutes "obscenity" in Miller v. California. All these three prongs basically leave it up to the jury to decide if the contents is "obscene" and "devoid of artistic values". It is BY LAW completely arbitrary, and any jury trial regarding "obscenity" will unavoidably develop into a political referendum. And the Religious Right does not even have a simple majority in the society, much less the majority necessary to convict. So, if the jury pool is representative, you can forget about the "guilty" verdict. Not just in rotten liberal areas like San Francisco, and if you don't believe, then use google to find out what happened in Provo, when the state tried to convict one Larry Peterman on obscenity charges. Really, google it, the story is really funny! So, Sen. Hatch is basically advocating wasting taxpayers' money.

  • huggyface Murray, UT
    April 18, 2011 3:01 p.m.

    Hatch simply wants us to enforce the laws already established for porn (soft, hard, child, etc.) It doesn't do any good to have a law if it's not enforced.

    Porn is as addictive as heroin. What if free samples of heroin were being handed out at the mall or on the street corner by the school? We would obviously want it stopped.

  • AZRods Maricopa, AZ
    April 18, 2011 2:46 p.m.

    I can only hope that not everyone in congress is as one dimensional as many of you seem to be.
    If we as a country can only deal with ONE issue at a time, then we're like helpless little 5 year olds.
    But since pornagraphy is so far down the list for so many, including the LDS pretenders.....then perhaps we should decide, from an eternal perspective, what is really important today.
    If porn, along with the many other social ills that tend to accompany it is just not that important to you, then you have clearly revealed your true beliefs.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    April 18, 2011 2:42 p.m.

    Gruffi,

    Well if what you say is true, then the "Tea Party" is so ill-defined, heterogeneous, and all over the map that it would be impossible for anyone (including you) to make a definitive statement about what the Tea Party does or does not represent.

    Can you have a political party that has NO platform?

    If you did have such a party, why would anyone join it?

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    April 18, 2011 2:39 p.m.

    @justaguy:
    Let's look at social policy. Immigration, healthcare, social security, abortion, gay marriage. Congress hemmed and hawed over these issues continually for the past 20 years, and nothing has changed. We are socially at the same place that we were in 1991.

    Social policy debate doesn't solve anything. If one party gets enough majority to force their version through the other party will do their best to undo it as soon as they get a majority.

    We're one of those ducks in the shooting game at the carnival, back and forth, back and forth, no real progress anywhere. Meanwhile our economy keeps going down and debt keeps going up.

    Why is that? Because both parties are keeping the voting populace distracted with social issues and completely ignoring the real problems. Problems that it will be too late to solve if we don't act soon.

    @BobP:

    "In many ways social issues are more important than pocket book issues."

    When the country is bankrupt and the government collapses, who will there be to tell us how to live? If we don't act now to save our economy, there won't be a USA left.

  • Gruffi Gummi Lehi, UT
    April 18, 2011 2:27 p.m.

    Yes, I am serious. Glen Beck is not the Tea Party. Actually, the Tea Party does not have any well defined "leadership" at all, nor a set of "approved" political principles defining the orthodoxy. It is loosely woven around the anti-big government and anti-tax sentiments, common to conservatives and libertarians. Sure, the Christian Right would LOVE to hijack the Tea Party, and the quotes from GB may illustrate this desire. Equally sure, the political Left would love the Christian Right to try to hijack the TP and alienate the libertarians.

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    April 18, 2011 2:19 p.m.

    It is easy to tell the moral lepers from decent folks on this thread.

    In many ways social issues are more important than pocket book issues.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    April 18, 2011 2:10 p.m.

    Gruffi Gummi,

    "Tea Partiers are primarily libertarian-leaning, and don't tend to tell other people how they are supposed to live their lives."

    Are you serious? I don't know how I could have been led to believe otherwise.

    Oh, wait. Maybe it is because one of the most high-profile "Tea Partier" is Glen Beck. On his "9/12 Project" site are listed the "platform" for the Tea Party, including these "principles":

    #2. "I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life."

    #3. "I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday."

    #4. "The family is sacred."

    The 12 Values:
    Honesty
    Reverence
    Hope
    Thrift
    Humility
    Charity
    Sincerity
    Moderation
    Hard Work
    Courage
    Personal Responsibility
    Gratitude

    Sounds an awful lot like religion in political clothing to me. Beck's "Tea Party" rally on MLK Jr. day last year, and starring Sarah Palin, was a religious revival, and everbody knew it, including Beck.

    So I'm not sure where you get your information, but the Tea Party is anything BUT "libertarian" and is most certainly "religious", and trying to tell everyone how to live their lives.

  • Demisana South Jordan, UT
    April 18, 2011 1:51 p.m.

    Prostitution is illegal almost everywhere in this country - one person paying another for sex. Then you want to leave pornography alone, one party paying two other people to have sex on camera. All the same reasons for outlawing prostitution apply at least as well to pornography, from the degradation of societal norms, to the destruction of families, to the spread of disease, to the individual destruction of the participants.

    The idea that it has nothing to do with the economy is laughable. Anything that contributes to the destruction of marriage and family is devastating to our economy, especially such a major contributor as porn. Want to eliminate poverty? Get people to get an education before marriage, get jobs, get married before children, and stay married. Want to increase poverty? Increase the number of single women and fatherless homes. That will in turn increase teen pregnancy, delinquency, school dropouts, and drug addiction, insuring the cycle continues. True, porn is one cause of divorce among many - but it's a big one. And single parenthood is the single biggest cause of poverty in this country.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    April 18, 2011 1:37 p.m.

    DeltaFoxtrot | 11:33 a.m. April 18, 2011

    My point is simple. I want a moratorium on all social issues until the economy, jobs and debt problems are solved. No more arguing immigration, healthcare, social security, gay marriage, abortion, etc. until the 3 biggest problems facing this nation today have been addressed.
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    I disagree. If we always put off the Social Issues in favor of the "bigger issues" (when did social issues become small fry?), they will never, ever be addressed. There is no reason we can't multi-task. We aren't children.

    Additionally, were you adversely affected by the social issue put on hold, you'd be singing a different tune.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    April 18, 2011 1:30 p.m.

    Why regulate the Porn industry, Orrin, and give other industries a "hands-off" approach to regulation?

    Seems pretty hypocritical to me.

    Not to mention the need for "smaller government" you keep spouting.

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    April 18, 2011 1:25 p.m.

    Our law makers, of both parties, have been and are working the economy as the #1 priority. Senator Hatch is working on his particular approach with a balanced budget amendment. There are other issues to work and Senator Hatch ought to be applauded for taking a few minutes to stand for truth and virtue. It is ridiculous to try to shout-down someone

    IM LDS2 A little diversion Dont think so. Porn is a major problem in our society today. It needs to be addressed in a significant manner. While we all find individual liberties essential to our way of life we also believe in laws, most of which are based on morals for the good of all. The Founders provided for a means to impose basic moral standards while assuring individual freedom. To call that fascism shows ignorance or disdain for what is good for society.

    What Now maybe one thing our country needs is more boy scouts helping grandmas cross the street and living to an individual oath that includes moral cleanliness.

  • washcomom Beaverton, OR
    April 18, 2011 1:24 p.m.

    Everyone wants their special needs on the front page, and not someone else's.

    There are many priorities of the President: War in the Middle East, including northern Africa, Health Crisis, Morality gone blank, and Economic turnaround in the toilet.

    Where do YOU want to start to make a difference?

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    April 18, 2011 1:18 p.m.

    Unlike his crusade against the BCS I am all for Hatch's attack on porn. Our youth have far too easy access to pornography.

  • Gruffi Gummi Lehi, UT
    April 18, 2011 1:12 p.m.

    A little bit more regarding the Tea Party: the TEA is primarily an anti-tax, anti-big government movement. These issues are common to conservatives and libertarians, and being mostly silent with respect to social issues allowed the Tea Party movement to become a viable political force. IF people like Sen. Hatch hijack the Tea Party to promote their own political agenda, the alliance of conservatives and libertarians will crumble.

    The Democrats and other proponents of the cancerous growth of the government sincerely thank you, Sen. Hatch!

    To people eager to jump on the "fighting the moral rot" bandwagon, I have one example for you to consider. Do you remember how the zealous conservatives in the Supreme Court dealt a heavy blow to the rotten marijuana use in California? By invoking the Commercial Clause and in fact sacrificing another (and arguably more important than pot) conservative principle: the states' sovereignty (now that Supreme Court's opinion justifying the broad interpretation of the Commercial Clause can be used for the purpose of stripping states of other prerogatives as well). If this isn't moronic, then I don't know what is. Think about the consequences of your actions.

  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    April 18, 2011 12:54 p.m.

    I don't need Hatch's nanny state views telling me how to be an adult. If I want to look at pornography, and nobody involved in said pornography is a minor, then it is not his business.

  • justaguy Out There in, WI
    April 18, 2011 12:52 p.m.

    @DeltaFoxtrot: You can't just turn your back on social problems while you work on economic issues. They are very inter-connected in a lot of ways. While the economy, jobs and the country's debt are important, it just doesn't work to focus soley on them and let other problems run free. Remember the guy on Ed Sullivan that used to keep plates spinning on the ends of sticks? Toward the end he'd be hustling and sweating, running back and forth between plates that were about to fall. He was in crisis mode. And then plates began to crash to the floor. We don't want our country to get to that point but that's where your approach would take us.

  • goitalone w bountiful, ut
    April 18, 2011 12:51 p.m.

    Gees, Chuck Schroeder, calm down before you burst a vessel. Me thinks thou doest protest too much to maintain credibility.Put your thesaurus away for a couple hours and let the rest of us participate. Even Hatch, who I think should have kept his 1976 promise to step down after three terms, is entitled to his position.

    Or should I assume that, by your divergence, that you condone child and other forms of pornography? You do have opinions on other matters I presume? So does Hatch.

  • Lowonoil Clearfield, UT
    April 18, 2011 12:46 p.m.

    I wish Senator Hatch had as much concern about ACTUAL toxic waste as he seems to have about metaphorical toxic waste. His environmental voting record is among the lowest ever recorded.

  • OnlyInUtah Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 18, 2011 12:38 p.m.

    Hatch is 100% correct on this one. The Obama administration hasn't keep any promises.. ecomonic or social.

    Porn is a real problem and needs legal boundaries for prosecution. Porn addiction breaks up families which lead to other social problems such as single parent familes, and welfare.

    I will continue to vote for Hatch as long as he runs for office. He's done more good for this country than most politicians.

  • hump100 West Jordan, UT
    April 18, 2011 12:32 p.m.

    Isn't this just part of the cut, cut, cut, then cut more philosophy? Hatch should not be mad about this.

  • Gruffi Gummi Lehi, UT
    April 18, 2011 12:28 p.m.

    I M LDS 2: "Because they have to appeal to the moralizing evangelicals and Tea Partiers..."

    The Tea Partiers are primarily libertarian-leaning, and don't tend to tell other people how they are supposed to live their lives.

  • The Dude Abides Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    More pandering to the base "Tee" party base. (no, not redundant)

    Why fix the economy, address the deficit and fund two and half wars underway.

    It's all God, Gays, Guns, and now the porn.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    April 18, 2011 11:47 a.m.

    If Hugh Hefner and Larry Flint were running against Hatch in the next election, we might allow him this little diversion.

    But as it is... NO!

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    April 18, 2011 11:42 a.m.

    Hatch, also, loves puppies, apple pie, helps grandmas across the street...

    Wonderful.

    Hatch knows if he can keep the "base" occupied with social issues, he can easily slip into a 6 year free ride in DC.

    It worked for Lee.

    Why can't it work for Hatch?

  • Demisana South Jordan, UT
    April 18, 2011 11:37 a.m.

    Porn degrades both men and women, but particularly women. It turns them into nothing but objects of lust. It can be as addictive as crack for those who view it - and destroys the ability to have a normal relationship for those so addicted. A real woman can never measure up to the fantasy on the screen.

    For all of you who think it's no big deal, what about those who are the "actors" in it? Do you really think that all of them are there by choice? Many got sucked into it by fake promises of a real acting career, some were actually forced into it. All of them have had their self esteem destroyed, and their ability to leave and find something else respectable trashed. If you don't think it's any big deal - would you want your mother, sister or daughter there? Do you dream of your little boy growing up to be a porn star?

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    April 18, 2011 11:33 a.m.

    @Anonymous Infinity:

    Social issues have their place, but they are hardly cut and dry. What you think of as offensive or wasteful others think of as expressive and necessary, and both viewpoints are valid. Which is why they are debated for years upon years with very little progress either way.

    My point is simple. I want a moratorium on all social issues until the economy, jobs and debt problems are solved. No more arguing immigration, healthcare, social security, gay marriage, abortion, etc. until the 3 biggest problems facing this nation today have been addressed.

    Both parties are guilty of tying social reform into economic reform. Put a stop to it, or in another few years there won't be a nation left to reform socially.

    Once the US isn't on the verge of economic collapse we can go back to arguing the rest of this meaningless garbage.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    April 18, 2011 11:27 a.m.

    Re. Schroeder.
    Methinks thou dost protest too much!

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington DC, MD
    April 18, 2011 11:27 a.m.

    Hatch, why don't you focus on trying to get the TSA abloished or some other issue that REALLY matters. Don't waste peoples time with this.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    April 18, 2011 11:23 a.m.

    Hatch is nuts. Sen. Orrin Hatch's (R) return to his home state of Utah during the congressional recess included an unexpected stop. Hatch was selected for jury duty. If Hatch were retired, he could serve as a jury member more often !!! Let's hope the trial he's assigned to isn't a drunk driving case where an illegal alien killed an American Citizen. There's no doubt he would vote to acquit !!!. We know Hatch is so honest, he won't block this corruption either. The Patriot Act's money laundering provisions, where are they today?. Why the tobacco industry feared The Patriot Act Rep. Michael Oxley removed a provision involving money laundering from the bill at the behest of the White House and GOP whip Tom DeLay, under pressure from Big Tobacco. We must get rid of all GOP deregulation "Loopholes that Allow Qualifying Institutions to Still Serve as Conduits for Tax Evasion then and report all to the IRS for collection." The underlying dynamic is bought-off congressmen ignoring real social problems and using the legislative process to construct massive perpetual handouts for their campaign-contributor sponsors. It's time to tax fairly GOP.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2011 11:20 a.m.

    When did 'jobs, jobs, jobs'...

    turn into stopping abortion, pornography, and affirmative action?

    Another agenda, in plain sight.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    April 18, 2011 11:01 a.m.

    Sen Hatch Type Feminists Psychoanalyze Themselves Again. Diversity, multiculturalism, tolerance, and political correctness are the watchwords in colleges and universities today. The campus thought police have defined those words to enforce the liberal leftwing agenda. Diversity means diversity only for thoughts and practices that are politically correct. Political correctness means conformity to leftwing orthodoxy. Multiculturalism means all cultures are equal but Western Judeo-Christian civilization is the worst. Tolerance means acceptance of all behaviors except those that comport with the Ten Commandments. Do you ever wonder why the internet is so polluted with pornography? The Supreme Court is the reason: it blocks every attempt by Congress to regulate the pornographers. From its ivory tower, the Court props open the floodgates for smut and graphic sex. Over the past five years, it has repeatedly found new constitutional rights for vulgarity, this year invalidating the Child Online Protection Act (COPA). For decades, pornographers have enjoyed better treatment by our courts than any other industry. The justices have constitutionally protected obscenity in libraries, filth over cable television, and unlimited internet pornography. OK Mr. Hatch, who is it that picks these Supreme Court Judges?. To late to whine about it after the fact.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    April 18, 2011 11:00 a.m.

    This is one reason to keep Senator Hatch in office with his Seniority. Senator Lee downplays that bit in his push. Senator Lee wants to be the Senior Senator from Utah but that doesn't give him Seniority. Senator Hatch has done a lot of good over the years. Economy is important but he is strong with the judicial committee and the Attorney General is responsible to that committee. Senator Hatch may not be perfect but he is a stalwart for principles that Utahn's respect. This is an issue, such as drugs, that needs to be addressed. You cannot lower your standards due to the "economy". Pornography is economy for many individuals in our country and around the world. Is that "Good" economy? No!. We need to have our Federal executive government working to prosecute those in that industry. Our own Attorney General needs to join in this effort as it is insidious and worthwhile to further the cause against pornography and it's related industries. With so many ways to receive and access pornography, we need better legislation and this is a start.

  • ST Layton, UT
    April 18, 2011 10:56 a.m.

    Dear Sen. Hatch -
    Don't run for re-election. Congress was not meant to be a carrer as you and many other have turned it into. Please step aside and let someone else take a turn.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    April 18, 2011 10:55 a.m.

    Because they have to appeal to the moralizing evangelicals and Tea Partiers, Hatch and his cronies are trying to raise as many "moral" issues as they can against Obama. Abortion, pornography, "death panels", religion in politics, traditional marriage, and the list goes on.

    But whenever a party or a politician campaigns on moral issues, because moral issues are not clear-cut, the party/politician falls into fascism: trying to force everyone to conform to their morals, and restricting the civil liberties of others who have a different moral perspective.

    In this way, ironically, those who speak so highly of "freedom" and "liberty" become the enemies of both.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    April 18, 2011 10:44 a.m.

    Poor ole Hatch talks about hardcore pornography is typified by extreme violence against women, now, that's a radical feminist statement if I ever heard one. Perhaps I'll just have to educate Utah's own Sen Hatch then.

    Here's the truth.

    DADS condemns all forms of domestic violence, but wants to publicize the fact that every responsible study shows that women commit at least equal violence against men. It perpetrates the adolescent-feminist chauvinist myth of all women as innocent victims, and men as animal brutes. It fosters the bias of courts against fatherhood, where mothers are awarded custody 75% of the time, and mothers are issued custody grabbing restraining orders like candy, effectively excluding fathers from the lives of their children. This type of rhetoric is thus a cause of the current Father absence and is the number one predictor of child delinquency, drug use, teen pregnancy, incarceration, and child suicide. These problems will never be solved until fathers are afforded the same "rights" as mother have in the family. The feminist driven one-sided domestic violence rhetoric, which is challenged in this section, is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

    My views.

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    April 18, 2011 10:43 a.m.

    The argument by DeltaFoxtrot is spurious. The government is responsible for a meriad of issues. Just because the government budget, spending and taxation rates are out of kilter and need to be reformed, it doesn't follow that social rot issues, headlined by pornography and abortion, porous borders, crime and corruption, etc. can't be addressed. People who think we need to lay off enforcement must be blind to the damage these crimes do, or must be democrats or libertarians. If people don't keep the pressure on Holder and others in enforcement bodies, then we are vulnerable to the damage the rotten people behind this activity are causing to society. This is a worldwide problem just like drugs. I applaud Senator Hatch and the other senators in this request. Clearly economic and budget issues head the list. I agree with that, but not to the exclusion of everything else.

  • Okaythen Kearns, UT
    April 18, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    I have to agree, DeltaFoxtrot. Although I think our legislators should be focusing on jobs and the economy, I do want the DOJ to focus on child pornography. Adult pornography is much further down the list, and to me this seems like another pre-election-year pander by Sen. Hatch.

  • CP Tooele, UT
    April 18, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    I'm glad that Sen. Hatch is angry opver Obama's lack of authority in this issue. Porn destroys families..and it should be dealt with! Porn leads to child abuse and other terrible crimes. Sen. Hatch's priorities are right where they should be! He is doing his job and I hope he stays where is.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    April 18, 2011 10:34 a.m.

    Sen Hatch is full of "hogwash", yes that's right, I said it DN. If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) has sent a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder demanding more federal obscenity prosecutions. The letter was co-signed by more than 100 other senators and congressmen. Here's an excerpt: Last June, an important briefing in the Capitol outlined how pornography has changed, becoming more harmful, addictive, and available, and linked to other crimes. Researchers, scholars, and other experts explained, for example, how todays hardcore pornography is typified by extreme violence against women..... STOP RIGHT THERE. Social policies in the United States have never included support for fathers in keeping their families together. While trillions of dollars are being spent on welfare for women, (mothers?) and children, nothing is being spent for FATHERS.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    April 18, 2011 10:17 a.m.

    Gotta love this guy.

    Economy in shambles, real unemployment in double digits, debt out of control and he wants to debate things like porn.

    How about prioritizing a bit?

    Fix the economy, put people back to work, stop the government from borrowing practically half of its budget then you can go back to ranting about social issues.