Utah Jazz get some bad news about the NBA Draft

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  • scalman Temecula, CA
    April 16, 2011 10:09 p.m.

    What rubbish about coin flips...each coin flip is always a 50/50 proposition. KOC has done really well in a small market. The Jazz haven't had both a really good all-around center and a top point guard together ever, and they have competed almost every year for the playoffs despite this.
    The Jazz need to get a good guard, and he better be able to play defense. I still say Burks can be this guy. As for the big man, I'll leave that up to KOC. Could be Jonas, but I think Fes will still be better in the long run. Since Fes might not be with the team, and Jonas might not be NBA ready for a year or two, well, like I said, I'll leave it up to the only guy who might have Tomic's ear, KOC. Tomic won't be playing center but Favors might next to him in two years.

    Lottery is May 17th.

  • Captain Kanab, UT
    April 16, 2011 10:04 p.m.

    We dont need big men. We already are overloaded at PF. If we trade up we need to get Harrison Barnes, not Derrick Williams. Williams is good but we already have a Paul Millsap. If we get Barnes then Jimmer would be a decent #12 pick. If we stay at the 6 spot then we need to take a PG like Kemba. If we take a PG at six hopfully Khawi Leonard is still there at twelve. We dont need anymore big europeans. i would like to see AK stay but i dont think he will. Fes will probably be gone along with price and probably Earl. Raja needs to go and Hayward and CJ can split time. Keep Evans and work on his outside shot. Hopfully Tomic comes soon, but Favors could play center his defense is great. As much as it pains me to say, they might trade Millsap. He either needs to develop into a good 3 by working of exterior defense and his 3 point shot or he needs to play the back up PF.

    My Hopeful Starters next year:
    PG: Harris
    SG: Hayward
    C: Tomic/Favors
    SF: Millsap/Rookie
    PF: Al

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    April 16, 2011 6:25 p.m.

    Thanks for the insight, my error.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    April 16, 2011 4:40 p.m.

    @ Hailstorm (BTW, unless you've lived in tornado alley, the name doesn't really di it...)

    The man's name is Dikembe Mutombo. Seriously, how hard is it to use Google?

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    April 16, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    That Biyombo reminds me of another African in Matembi Mutombo. Check out his wingspan on U-tube along with Ante Tomic.If this is a poor draft year in the U.S. you can bet that the brass are checking out foreign players. I personally think that the Jazz scouts are doing a great job and that KOC is a tough barterer.The Jazz trade for D-Will should prove that point with the Jazz getting a former all star in Harris, Favors,( a # 3 pick ), two draft choices and 3 Million in cash.A sign and trade for AK47 is not impossible, although I would like him to stay. KOC also seems bent on trading to Eastern teams so that we are minimally affected by the move.
    All that said, it should be a white knuckle flight until the actual draft and then we'll be able to tell if the Jazz Organization has pulled off a few miracles.There maybe another Wes Mathews out there that are under the radar.
    Let's just hope for the best, but I tend to think that we will very surprised at the choices.

    April 16, 2011 3:30 p.m.

    NBA Draft is on June 23 rd.

  • Aggie84 Idaho Falls, ID
    April 16, 2011 2:48 p.m.

    We have enought rookies and athletic players. Let's go do another trade that will bring a big man into the picture and trade away some picks in the draft.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    April 16, 2011 2:38 p.m.

    Hey, let's not have so much doom and gloom on here. Maybe, just maybe, the Jazz' ping pong balls will be picked on two of the first three spins! I guess we can all hope. But wouldn't that be awsome? Even if we got one of the three, that would be great.

  • Everest American Fork, UT
    April 16, 2011 1:04 p.m.

    Apparently the Nets tossed the coin. Still, it's on Kevin O'Connor that the calling of the coin toss was not included in the trade. Seriously, this guy has got to be held accountable.

  • Dustin Idaho Falls, ID
    April 16, 2011 11:07 a.m.

    If Williams is capable of playing the 3, I think we do everything we can to trade up and get him. If not, I think we should do the best we can with the picks we get. There are guys out there, like Jimmer, who are a gamble. But they can pay off big if things go well.

    Jazz fans, let's save the booing this year regardless of who we pick. We look like some of the worst fans in the league when we boo our own team.

  • Draft dumbie Farmington, UT
    April 16, 2011 10:11 a.m.

    We all know that anyone coming from the Congo is going to be older than what he claims. However, even if Biyombo is older than 18, he has demonstrated a steep learning curve during the past couple of years and still has great potential as an athletic, defensive big man. He looks like a winner at the Jazz 12th pick. The other intriguing element about Biyombo is that he could be left in Europe for a year or two to develop over there, if the Jazz were close to the luxury tax. At the 6th pick (if that's where the Jazz end up), it looks like the Jazz may have one of the tall, thin Europeans available (Vesely, Motiejunas, Valanciunas) or a decent backup point guard (Walker or Knight), or perhaps Terrance Jones (who also might be available at the 12th pick.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    April 16, 2011 9:53 a.m.

    The Jazz didn't toss the coin. The Nets did, and the Jazz got the result.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    April 16, 2011 9:13 a.m.

    It's a great year for my LAKERS to not have a first round pick.

    After this 3-peat is over, look for them to unload a few guys. You could probably get Walton (Please, somebody take him!) or Shannon (hasn't hit a 3 in a year) Brown pretty cheap.... :-)

    Go Lakers!

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    April 16, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    Kanter is the "real deal". It is stated that he has bad knees. However, he was at Kentucky with Calipari for a year. He picked up something from the practices. Brandon Knight has the same "thread". There must be a way to trade to get both of these guys. George Karl said it best. The Jazz are one player or one trade away. They need someone with a leader personality. Definitely, D-Wil had it in "diamonds". He then misused his skill and "tried to take over the castle". There were others still on the team involved in the "coup" attempt. Miles was a follower as strangely was Kirilenko. There were several others. They were all meeting with Williams when the news of the trade came over the news. This was profiled in this newspaper.

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    April 15, 2011 9:24 p.m.

    If Bizsmack is 18 then I'm very interested, if he is older as is rumored not intrigued. Jazz need to nab the best guard with their first pick and pick up the best big with their second lotto pick, or bpa, find the hidden gems.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    April 15, 2011 8:50 p.m.

    I don't think there are any players in this draft that are worth moving up to get, a player taken 6th or 12th may end up as good as those taken in the top 3. It's a crap shoot and time will tell. We do need a long athletic 3, a defensive big man & 3 point shooting. I like Vesely, TJones, Jonas, Kanter, Knight & Jimmer. I hope we could get 2 of those 6 with our 2 picks.

  • OU812 Layton, UT
    April 15, 2011 8:19 p.m.

    I predict the Jazz taking the Butler big man at 7 and Jimmer at their regular pick. They are not in the running for a championship, so no use taking a superstar potential like williams. They'll just give'm away down the line.

  • King Black Paso Robles, CA
    April 15, 2011 6:07 p.m.

    lol @ byronbca

    I guess it makes perfect sense now that you mention it as to why Portland keeps wanting to take Utahs players after they are proven to be successful.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    April 15, 2011 3:51 p.m.

    Re TJ:
    Yes it was sarcasm, but it wouldn't be the most ridiculous thing I've heard Jazz fans blame KOC for.

    What I really think of KOC is that he is brilliant, crafty and one of the best GMs in the league. Last time we had the 6th overall pick we ended up with D Will. I don't know how he convinced Portland to trade their #3 for our #6 and a few garbage picks. Can you imagine where this franchise would be if we got stuck drafting Martell Webster that draft? It's no wonder why Portland hates us so much.

  • klepsydra Longmont, CO
    April 15, 2011 3:41 p.m.

    There are a number of players outside of the top 3 or 4 that could be very good. The problem is they all "could be" very good, they aren't sure things. The top 3-4 players in the draft are going to be very good unless they get bitten with injury (Greg Oden).

    Players like Kemba Walker, Brandon Knight, Jan Vesely, and even Jimmer have good potential but they could also just turn into role players.

  • dhsalum Saint George, UT
    April 15, 2011 3:38 p.m.

    I think May 17th is the lottery.. Not positive

  • jcrotty25 Meridian, ID
    April 15, 2011 3:32 p.m.

    i agree this draft only has 3 players who are locks to be good right away and possible great into the future.. Irving , williams , Kanter .. but there are always hidden jems... it just sucks that the only year we have two lottery picks and its the worst draft in 10 years at least... i think we just take one safe picks like jimmer or kimba or burks .. neither will be great .. and then go with someone who has a high ceiling like bismack biyambo.. the guy had a triple double and blocked 10 shots in the nike hoops summit game and has a 7'7 wingspan.. if he is only 18 he has huuuge upside .. but there are rumors he is older like 21 22.. if so he may not be worth a lottery pick .. but the 12th pick in this years draft is like a 18-20th pick in normal years..

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    April 15, 2011 3:16 p.m.

    Kevin must know that the odds of the coin landing on heads is .0001% better than it landing on tails. What is he thinking? Fire the man today.

    This draft is so weak if you don't have the top 3, it doesn't matter where you pick. I am not too sure this year's pick will help the team. Kevin is going to have a tough job to make a winner out of this pick. It is possible that he is able to trade his two picks for one top 3 pick. Depends on how the ping pong's fall.

    Does anyone know the date of the lottery?

  • MenaceToSociety Draper, UT
    April 15, 2011 2:54 p.m.


    The number 6 pick is from the Nets. It has nothing to do with Jazz wins to start the season. That would be the 12 pick.


    You know why the Jazz lost the coin flip? The NBA is out to get us. Just like everyone else. Everyone is out to get us!

    Cougar Fan

  • Lux et Veritas Draper, UT
    April 15, 2011 2:53 p.m.

    So the Jazz can't even win at being the worst?

  • Everest American Fork, UT
    April 15, 2011 2:46 p.m.

    I agree with Byronbca. Kevin O'Connor must be held accountable for these kind of coin toss failings ahead of the draft lottery. I would like to know what side he called this time and whether there is a pattern of over-calling one side at the expense of a more balanced approach. Heads or tails? It's not that hard. I am getting really tired of losing out to lesser franchises, especially ones that are planning to leave their home and move to Anaheim.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    April 15, 2011 2:28 p.m.

    What has a coin toss got to do with KOC? Please tell me your being sarcastic. No one that is smart enough to use a computer could...
    KOC is great at what he does. I did not realize that the Jazz also got Golden States Top 7 protected pick in 2012 in the Williams trade. Fantastic! That could be a difference maker in the trade market this summer. There are a lot of underclassmen declaring for the draft. The Jazz don't need another young player with potential or a project so maybe they can parlay one of the draft picks into an above average center. A great outside shooter would be great also.

  • Mount Olympus Salt Lake, UT
    April 15, 2011 1:52 p.m.

    re: bluemoon1977

    This was in regards to the Nets pick that the Jazz picked up in the trade, not their own pick.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    April 15, 2011 1:48 p.m.

    The Jazz are horrible at coin tosses. Last year they lost one to the clippers for the 8th pick but then won the coin toss for the pick that went to Minn. This is unacceptable!

    KOC must go!

  • bluemoon1977 Provo, Utah
    April 15, 2011 1:41 p.m.

    I think we've known for quite some time that the Jazz would be picking no higher than 6. Won too many games at the beginning of the year.

    Right now, this draft looks pretty much like a draft for role players. No obvious all-stars out there this year. So this is a big risk small return draft.

    Draft for need: THREE-POINT SHOOTER.

    Not many in this draft. Get somebody who has a great work ethic.