California bill seeks to add gay history, contributions to school lessons

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  • UteMiguel Go Utes, CA
    April 25, 2011 7:54 p.m.

    Of course, if you are teaching history, and some issue about gay people is relevant, it should be taught objectively and truthfully. But what am I to understand from this:

    "Class materials that reflect negatively on gay, bisexual and transgender people would not be allowed starting in the 2013-14 school year."

    Does this mean, for example, that the history teacher could not truthfully teach about the AIDS epidemic among gay populations (at least) in the 1980s? Are there any other groups in the universe about which a teacher in the U.S. is legally forbidden from saying anything that could "reflect negatively"? Starting to sound Orwellian to me.

  • 22ozn44ozglass Southern Utah, UT
    April 16, 2011 6:43 p.m.

    If this is going to be done, the LBGT must be held accountable for the accuracy of their history. This includes items in the Gay Right Platforms which have included, repealing all laws limiting the age of consent andrepealing all laws governing the gender and number of persons(yes poligamy)who can enter into marriage. This history also must include such Gay rights notables as Harry Hay (NAMBLA supporter & member of communist party) and David Thorstad(gay rights activist and founder of NAMBLA). This history should also include the manner in which the gay activists changed the APA's position on homosexuality being a mental disorder not by mountains of paradigm changing research, but by intimidatin, violence, infiltration, deception and political pressure. Sure there are many positive things that need to be in this history, but to ignore the deep hidden undercurrents in LBGT history is not honest and the LBGT community does not want to talk about many incidents and people in the gay rights activist history. Also any mention of Kinsey must be done with complete objectivity and honesty as his work was a fraud and esentially propaganda.

  • lsteinbentley South Jordan, UT
    April 16, 2011 1:06 p.m.

    This is just crazy. What a waste of tax-payers hard earned money. Don't they have more pressing issues right now? Figure out how to help your unemployed get jobs or more schooling/training. Education is a way out of poverty and ignorance. How is knowing gay history going to help our children get a job one day? Is it going to help them compete in a global economy?
    Putting Gay history into the history books opens up a way for every group who has experienced prejustice against them, to be in our history books. Who's to say that Gays deserve to be in our childrens curriculium any more than any other groups? What about all religious groups, Baptists, Jehovas Whitnesses, Mormons, Atheists, Muslims, and their history? How about any group that has seen bigotry.
    Why is this even and issue?! I can't belive the legislature is even debating this.
    If the Gay community actually cared about the children of our country and their future, they would be trying to get laws passed that would help enable american children to succeed in this new and high tech world we live in.

  • firstamendment Lehi, UT
    April 16, 2011 8:22 a.m.

    Gay activists repeatedly informed us that gay marriage would never mean that our children would be given propaganda supportive of homosexuality in school.

    I've mentioned an article called "Creating Gay Children" several times. The author discusses gay activism in media and desensitizing goals. I thought it was a little extreme, but it looks like the author was more correct than I thought.

    This sort of propaganda has been shown to increase the numbers of your children who think they were born gay, it does craft gay children, and homosexual activity is a sad, deadly game.

    There are gays commenting in media 24/7. When they become spouses, they will be home, not raising the children they created, but creating gay children out of yours, with your tax funding.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 15, 2011 9:41 p.m.

    Based on California's inability to manage their budget they would be wise to spend their limited financial resources on teaching their students the basics which are reading, writing and arithmetic.

    Many parents feel that sex and morality are interconnected, and don't feel that it is the school's place to try and indoctrinate their children.

  • Californian#1@94131 San Francisco, CA
    April 15, 2011 8:14 p.m.

    ** Class materials that reflect negatively on gay, bisexual and transgender people would not be allowed starting in the 2013-14 school year. *

    In other words, gay history teaching as this bill would require is not really intended to promote understanding or tolerance, but to present the story of a class of people without including any warts or faults. Young students without critical thinking skills will be led to believe there are no warts or faults. No other group of people gets this kind of special protection in the textbooks.

    This isnt history. It is the manipulation of school curriculum to promote a social and political agenda and it is intellectually and academically dishonest.

  • Quetzalcotl West Jordan, UT
    April 15, 2011 7:42 p.m.

    If history agrees with my morals then it is real history. If it does not agree with it, then it is agenda driven and a sign of end of the world as we know it.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 15, 2011 4:20 p.m.

    'Do you really think they would give an opposing viewpoint that may show homosexuals in a negative light, without calling that opposing viewpoint bigoted, unreasonable, uneducated, backwards, etc.?' - Independent | 3:36 p.m.

    Um. For the record?

    I didn't call you any of those things.

    And the 'opposite' of gay marriage, is straight marriage.

    And, I support that.

    If you want to approach this from a factual point of view, how many straight people are used in history?

    George Washington
    Abraham Lincoln, etc.

    All are presented with their spouses, and the automatic assumption is that they are straight.

    While far from an 'agenda', it is the way things are.

    And now, with the mention of gay history, it is, once again, branded an 'agenda.'

    But, as I have pointed out many times, others are not labled the same thing.

    Why is presenting George Washington's wife, not an 'agenda'?

    From a purely logical perspective, the mere debate about allowing factual gay history is evidence of an agenda.

    But only the 'gay agenda' is mentioned.

    Here's another.

    The colonization of America.

    And this too, is allowed in class.

    Much to the same of the pioneers.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    April 15, 2011 3:36 p.m.

    I don't have anything against teaching history as it actually happened, but what we see today in academia is a multiple agenda driven form of teaching. We see history from an African-American agenda, an Asian-American agenda, and environmentalist agenda, a gay agenda, a hispanic agenda, a Native-American agenda and on and on. Don't get me wrong. There is nothing wrong with seeing history from different and multiple perspectives, but it is the agenda that bothers me. Shouldn't history books, teachers and professors give us facts about what happened without making value judgments? I seriously doubt that would happen with gay history. It would be less about facts and events and more about telling kids that it's okay to be gay, and we all know it. Do you really think they would give an opposing viewpoint that may show homosexuals in a negative light, without calling that opposing viewpoint bigoted, unreasonable, uneducated, backwards, etc.? You know they wouldn't. Just as being anti-illegal immigration will make you racist and anti-immigrant, being against gay marriage will make you stupid and backwards.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    April 15, 2011 3:17 p.m.

    Yes lets just take all of our kids on field trips to San Fran to see the gay pride parade......that will teach them!

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    April 15, 2011 3:16 p.m.

    California's issues are the same as the rest of the nation. They're bankrupt, they've got too much stupid legislation, and they're overrun with illegals.

    California may really be viewed as a microcosm for the entire USA. Where they go, the rest of us will (eventually) follow.

    It's only a matter of time before the entire state collapses. So what are we going to do about it?

  • California Steve Hanford, CA
    April 15, 2011 2:46 p.m.

    Welcome to the madness of California. The budget billions of dollars in debt, unemployment near the top in the nation, pensions we can't afford and this is the highlight of the year for the legislature. Oh, I forgot. They took away the legislature's autos yesterday. Whooeee.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 15, 2011 2:41 p.m.

    'I wonder how long it will be before California completely self destructs.' - Cats | 2:20 p.m.

    According to you, it already did.

    And what 'cliff' are you talking about?

    Where is it, exactly?
    Are we running towards it?

    Or moon-walking? :)

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    April 15, 2011 2:20 p.m.

    I wonder how long it will be before California completely self destructs. This is another example of why they are on the verge of going over the cliff. I'm so grateful I don't live there. If I did, I would take this as the final straw to get out while the getting is good.

    I know a guy (not LDS) who moved from California a couple of years ago. He said he was afraid to look in his rear-view mirror as he left for fear of turning into salt.

    This is the kind of craziness that is indicative of the complete degeneration of our society.

    "evil will be thought good and good evil."

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    April 15, 2011 2:16 p.m.

    We're also bombarded by the straight lifestyle; just watch the commercials during sports, but I don't see people complaining too much about those. Most of these posts on here are laughable and most likely the exact same things that were said during slavery times!

  • American First Merced, CA
    April 15, 2011 1:47 p.m.

    This is simply the ongoing perversion and declination of American Greatness. At NO time did the founding fathers envision a nation where every trend or fad was to be given a quota of public awareness especially at the expense of childrens education. We are carpet bombed every minute, especially our Children by media and entertainment escapades of the queer lifestyle. This malicious legislation is meant to further divide Americans and at the same time delegitimize Traditions of Faith. Sexual preference is behavior and does not rise to the level of a human trait. Goodbye George Washington, hello Perez Hilton. It's Evil gone wild.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 15, 2011 1:31 p.m.

    'Is hetero history taught?' - Jake2010 | 12:15 p.m.

    Are you implying George Washington was gay?

    I think we can all agree, majority of figures presented in history are straight. Or, at least this is the personna they presented. (Helen of Troy, etc.)

    And yet we 'can't' present gay history?

    To do that is simply a denial of the facts. Washington had a wife.

    Gays exist. To say otherwise is simply a lie.

    Should a school teach about God?
    I thought that was the point of Seminary.

    A 'slippery slope' of WHAT?
    That same logic could be used with: Womens history, African, Mexican, Asian and European history.

    Lets put the shoe on the other foot.

    Majority of Americans are not Mormon.

    As such, we should remove any MENTION of the Mormon faith, pioneers or history. As they are 'Chipping away at our countries moral integrity.' - TJ | 10:46 a.m.

    If you don't want your children taught history due to religion, fine.

    The you should be against ANY history that didn't start with:

    'In the beginging...'

    Teach them yourself.

    And stop putting the responsibility to educate your children on publically funded, public schools.

  • Jake2010 orem, ut
    April 15, 2011 12:15 p.m.

    Is hetero history taught? If not, there is even more less of a place for this to be taught in school.

  • Tami Herriman, UT
    April 15, 2011 11:53 a.m.

    Perfect timing with the economy! Let's add new history textbooks to the budget just so our kids can be indoctrinated that it is okay to ignore morals and values that have been in our society for hundreds of years! Should have known this junk would come out of San Francisco.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    April 15, 2011 11:47 a.m.

    A slippery slope.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    April 15, 2011 11:47 a.m.

    @CougarBlue: The govt. doesn't want schools teaching anything about the freedoms, liberties or rights that this nation was founded upon. It goes against their socialist nanny state agenda.

  • JNA Layton, UT
    April 15, 2011 10:54 a.m.

    We moved from California a few years ago and I am so glad. Never ever ever would I allow my children to sit through a class that discussed this kind of garbage. Never will I ever believe that gay rights are the same as the rights that are deserved by actual minorities. Black studies, asian studies, hispanic studies, those are awesome and very helpful. Gay studies, absolutely not. This is about a group with a political agenda and nothing more.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    April 15, 2011 10:52 a.m.

    I guess this means children should be taught the possibility and belief in God? Since we want our children well rounded, then let's teach them everything that they get to choose from.

    They should have political correct recess one day, reality recess the next, darwinism recess the next day, organic recess another on and so forth.

    Let's round them out! They can also alternate between all of the worlds languages. Then they'll be diversified in every culture...

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    April 15, 2011 10:46 a.m.

    Chipping away at our countries moral integrity. I would not mind this too much if the curriculum taught that gay behavior is a perversion of normal and natural behavior and that it degrades societies and that it is an abomination before God. But I would guess that it will be taught that it is a choice everyone should make. This will erode our nations moral standards and encourage perverse behavior.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    April 15, 2011 10:33 a.m.

    And this added studies will come at the loss of more study on our founding as a nation and what we stand for.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    April 15, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    Ya' know. People said the same things about the contributions of blacks not very long ago.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 15, 2011 10:21 a.m.

    'The legislation, sponsored by Sen. Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, would add gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people to the list of social and ethic groups in the social studies curriculum, according to an Associated Press article by Lisa Leff. It also adds disabled people to the school lessons, which by mandate already include the contributions of women, African Americans, Mexican Americans, entrepreneurs, Asian Americans, European Americans, American Indians and labor.' - Article

    It's a very simple question.

    Do gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender EXIST?

    I would say, 'yes.'

    As such, a comprehensive history would dispel alot of the factual myths spread by some with a unreasoning hatred for gay people.

    Oldman, I have a hard time voting Republican as well. :)

    So, I just don't do it.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    April 15, 2011 9:58 a.m.

    Oh.. GAG!

    It's this kind of garbage that makes it hard sometimes to vote for a Democrat.

    (But it's still very hard to vote for a Republican, too.)