The Michael Jordans, Kobe Bryants, etc, LOL, there are more than one of each?
You don't "afford" guys like that, you either draft them or else are a
desirable team that THEY want to sign with as a free agent. How many LeBron
Jameses has San Antonio signed as free agents?
@ NeddGrimey its what being a sports fan is about. Its something to talk about,
and discuss. Try adding on to the discussion, if not move along.
It's a good thing there are so many people on these posts that know what the
Jazz need and don't need. I can't imagine where we'd be without the vast array
of knowledge and wisdom found here.
My wish for Karl Malone's involvement in Favors' development is to send Favors
to Lousiana to go huntn' with Karl alone. Karl talks a little bit about huntn' n
stuff (Karl talk little is part of my wish-ha), then simply say to Derrick some
thing like "You know, I was ROUGH when I came in the league, I was young,
kinda' like you." And that's it.
Having grown up in Utah, and now being exposed to "real" pro-sports
teams here on the East Coast, I've come to realize that from the ownership down
to the least paid player, the Utah Jazz will ALWAYS be the same organization
year in and year out. They'll have good years, even great years, but I have
NEVER seen ANY consistency, like I saw in the Stockton/Malone era, and even
then, they weren't a powerhouse; I mean, they had to contend with Jordan and the
Bulls. Until the ownership can afford the M. Jordans, K. Bryants, or L. James,
the Utah Jazz will always just having their "ups and downs". Either
way, you just have to love them or not.
Hayward, Evans, Favors, Milsap and Jefferson are all high percentage shooters.
What should excite Jazz fans is that 3 of them are rookies. And even as their
time expanded at the end of the season, their percentages remained pretty much
the same and or improved!! Unfortunately, you can't say the same for
CJ. Which shows a lack of improvement. More time + same level of poor shooting
percentage= the door. You can't be one of the worst shooters in the league and
still pull down 4 million can you?The Jazz thought they were getting
40 percent on 3's from Bell but didn't happen. We don't need more chuckers, we
need shooters and better shot selection. CJ is a nice kid, sorry it didn't work
OK, I'm like 80% sure that O'Connor will get rid of CJ. It'll be a heartless,
business decision, but if anyone can get fire players in this organization, it's
O Connor. I hope CJ gets one more year, but not likely.Reason I say
this is because Hayward has shown so much improvement in 10 months that CJ has
absolutely no excuse to be 6 years in this league and still be making the awful
decisions he does. It's either a laziness thing or he Heck, you can
see Hayward's work over CJ's. Hayward looks like he's in much much better shape
than CJ. I remember when Hayward was drafted he looked really weak. Conditioning
alone shows you the contrast in their work ethics.
CJ will be back, still very young & athletic and his expiring contract is
reasonable and he'd be a good trade chip if nothing else. Someone must tell him
he's not Ray Allen, and he must work with a coach did get a consistent stroke
down.No way in the world the Jazz cut Evans. He's Hayward's BFF and
2nd round picks that can provide anything (which he can) are gold due to their
cheap cap number.
CJ at the right price would be great on the team. I don't think that price is
much over 4M/year though. CJ improved a lot over the off season and
then got hurt and regressed (maybe this was two years ago). He has potential he
just needs someone that pushes him to play hard consistently or he needs to only
play 15-20 minutes per game.I'm still hoping we bring AK back (for
the right price). His value is probably 6-8M/year. I would start him at the 3
and have CJ/Hayword at the 2 and backing up at the 3. I'm crossing
my fingers that Barnes decides to go pro and that he's still available when we
draft. Not many other wing options out there.And how about an update
from DN and Jody about Ante Tomic. It's about time he comes to Utah.
SnipeHookyoFaceLast year the Wizards had a worse shot then 7.6% and
they still won, So In the real world you never know until it happens.
I want Utah to keep CJ Miles I talk about him a lot but ever since he has been
in the NBA he was the guy I was hoping to be a top 10 scorer in the NBA he still
can be if he tries hard plus I like using him on NBA 2k.
@ CJ MilesWhy is that you say Sloan never played CJ or never gave
him a chance or never tried to develop him or never gave him advice when just a
couple of weeks ago when CJ had his 40 pt game.. and CJ said this himself.. he
said: "Sloan tried to drill it in my head to take it to the hole to play
more aggressive play hard D, but I never listened" now thats not what word
for word of what he said but its pretty darn close. Looks to me that CJ has no
excuse but I wish they keep him. O and for more advice once again Sloan started
CJ is second season for a couple of games but then CJ Miles got his starting
position taken later by a rookie named Ronnie Brewer this happened plenty of
times with miles he Starts but then looses his starting role due to
inconsistency and not listening to coach.
@SnipeHookyoFaceIf you read T-Roy's post concerning the draft again,
you will see that he said, "If by some miracle we get one or 2 pick"
meaning 1st or 2nd pick in the draft. If we get the number 1 pick, we should
take Irving but if we get the 2nd pick we should take Williams. He did not mean
with our second pick we should take Williams. I am pretty sure he knows those 2
players will be picked 1 and 2. He is simply stating he would rather have Irving
with the first pick rather than Williams for the Jazz.Also, T-Roy is
right, you never know what can happen, that's why its called the lottery.
Chicago won the lottery to get Rose and they only had like 1.7% chance. You just
never know. It's like the quote from Dumb and Dumber when Mary says to Loyd that
they have about a 1 in a Million chance of ending up together and Loyd says
"So your telling me I have a chance..." That's what fans do, we hope.
Don't ever loose hope.
2011-2012 Depth ChartPG- Devin Harris, Earl Watson, 2nd Lottery
PickSG- Gordon Hayward, Raja BellSF- C.J. Miles, 1st Lottery Pick,
Jeremy EvansPF- Derrick Favors, Paul MillsapC- Al Jefferson, Mehmet
OkurLet the free agents (Price, Fesenko, Kirilenko and Elson) go!
Our biggest concern is SF. Don't try to plug it with Millsap. Let Favors (bigger
and better defensively) start and let Millsap shine as the best 6th man in the
league over Lamar Odom. C.J. has shown good things this year so keep him and let
him compete hard with our first pick in the draft (hopefully Harrison Barnes).
We are solid at both the 2 and 5 positions with Hayward and Big Al being backed
up by veterans Raja and Okur (who will be trying to prove himself in a contract
year). So our next biggest area of concern is a true back up point guard that
can eventually take Harris' place. I like Earl but I think we can do better. I
would go for either Kemba Walker or Brandon Knight if they are available, but if
not, I say we take a chance on the Jimmer!Go Jazz!!!
CJ said he is confident, after his exit interview that he will be back with the
Jazz next year.
@CJ MilesI love CJ but the big difference between CJ and Hayward is
the basketball IQ. Hayward simply has a much better understanding of the game of
basketball and how to create for others. He already makes fewer mistakes that
CJ. CJ jacks up to many ill advised shots and forces shots. CJ is more athletic
and has more potential but because he is a little bit of a head case, he can't
stay consistent. @CocoNutzz What makes you think CJ will
join Williams in NJ? CJ said he hopes the Jazz pick up his option which I'm sure
they will do, plus he stated he would love to stay long term (something Williams
never said) if a fair contract was offered. Based on what I have seen, he is
worth about 4-6 million per year and I believe CJ will be back with the Jazz
next year and likely for more. Also as CJ Miles said, I think CJ has improved
quite a bit each year. He's become much stronger and he finishes around the
basket better now than ever before plus as CJ Miles said, he is a much better
Go Jazz! "Hope springs eternal within the human breast".
@Cj MilesI dont know if CJ will be coming back. It looks like he
might join Deron in New Jersey.
T-Roy, keep living in that dream world of yours with that 7% chance of winning
the lottery. Keep recommending your own comments too...
Coco........YOu read me wrong. I think Hayward making 3's is a great thing. If
you actually paid attention to CJ over the past three years, he has improved
every year. He is better than last year and a much improved scorer and defender.
His rebounds were way up this year. CJ will be back.Also you forget that CJ's rookie year he put up 20 on the last night and
everyone was so high on him since Jerry had never played him.With
Jerry gone, CJ will improve even more next year.
@CJ MilesWhat last nights tell is that Hayward CAN hit 3's at a
consistent basis. Since Feb 1st he has been the #1 3 point shooter. While your
boy CJ, who you say is going to be improved come next season...? Havent we been
hearing this for the last 3 years. Every year CJ would say that he wants to be
the MIP, but yet fails every year. I want CJ back because his option is
relatively cheap for a 5 year SG vet for much needed depth in the 2 and 3 spots.
Until Cj can come in and improve (not like this season where he REGRESSED in his
shooting percentages) Than it will be something you can hang your hat on
Last nights game tell very little except that Hayward was making three pointers.
Earlier in the season, that shot was not there for him. Still not
too sure if we have the right horses for next year? Players that
should be better next year for the Jazz......Favors, Harris, Hayward, CJ, AJPlayers who have peaked.......Millsap, Watson Players who
will be worse....Memo, AK, BellPlayers who will be gone.....Evans,
I guess the only place the Jazz are going to Go now is to Go clean out there
SnipeHookyoFace It depends on how the lottery pans out. The jazz are not stuck
with the 6 th pick or the 12th pick it depends on the ping pong balls. Also U
dont know what a lottery is you do not have it in Utah. :)
Lets go Real Salt Lake!!
I'm so bummed that the season's over. I just started to feel that Ty Corbin and
the Jazz were figuring things out with their lineups and how to play together
better. Hayward and Favors were gaining confidence and the Jazz started winning.
The future looks very bright and I am so excited for next season! We have
amazing key players, some money to spend and 2 first round draft picks. If KOC
plays the rest of his cards right, we could compete for a championship very
soon. The starting lineup of Jefferson, Favors, Millsap, Hayward and
Harris is very strong. The bench will be much deeper than they were this year
with Okur, Evans, possibly Kirilenko and/or a draft pick, CJ Miles, a draft pick
and/or Watson plus a little bit of depth with Bell and Fez. That
would give the Jazz 2 one time all stars in Okur and Kirilenko (if he comes back
at the right price) off the bench plus CJ who can light it up on any given night
and 2 draft picks and Watson. Plus Hayward and Favors should come back even
better next year. Go Jazz
Wow! I can tell T-Roy doesn't watch much basketball. Williams with our 2nd
pick??? He'll be gone by the time the Jazz use their 1st pick.
Here is what the jazz need depending on what pick they end up with, using the
nets pick if by some miricle we get one or 2 pick I would take irving with the
1st pick in the draft if it is the 2nd pick in the draft I would go williams
from AZ as far as the Jazz, as much as I like Jimmer here in SEC country I would
rather take knight from KY if he is there.
I was happy for last nights win but the more I think about the less encouraging
it is. We had our five best players for next year on the court most of the game
(Harris, Hayward, Milsap, Favors, and Jefferson for 187 combined minutes)
whereas Denver had 1.5 (Chandler and a few minutes of Lawson for 55 combined
minutes). Denver had already locked up the 5-seed and obviously didn't care
about the game (Coach Karl barely even watched the game and the rest of their
team didn't bother making the trip) whereas we had everything to play for to end
the season on a win and with a winning home record. Denver started Koufos for
goodness sake and we still trailed by 4 with two minutes to play and barely won
by 4 (with Denver not even trying to shoot the last two minutes). Good game by
the Jazz and Hayward shot really well, but I chalk this one up to the Nuggets
and Coach Karl giving us a freebee.
Regardless of all the ups and downs this season, I love the Jazz! Good luck in
the off season!
To bad Hayward didn't get more playing time earlier in the year at the 2 spot.
Haywood and Favors!They are the best thing to happen for the Jazz
since Stockton and Malone!If you don't believe this...JUST WAIT and
SEE for yourself!
The future is very bright for the Jazz.Haywood and Favors are legit NBA
starters...big time players. I can hardly beleive that we we these two
young studs.Gordon reminds me a little bit of Reggie Miller...he is not as
pure of a shooter but he is awesome off the dribble. He is very good at dring
to the hole...he can dish or finish. He rebounds and defends. He has the tools
to become an (almost) all-star calibre player. Favors will be one the best big
men in the the league. It freaks me out that we have him. It is almost like
getting Akeem, David Robinson or Tim Duncan...notice I said almost...But I really think Favors will be marvelous.These two cornerstones,
along with Big Al and the Jazz should be great..with just a few key peices
added.I love Earl Watson & Jeremy Evans coming off the bench.
Milsap can be a great Role player as well.With th edraft picks..if
used well...Jazz we be a major concern for 10+ years to come.
The thing that gets me most excited about next year was the defensive play of
Favors, Hayward and AJ this year. Favors can be a defensive star in this league,
he is the mythical "shot blocking big man" Jazz fans have been hoping
for since Eaton retired.Hayward has the height, athleticism, and
desire to be a legit defensive presence also. AJ was a horrible defender in
Minnesota, but he showed serious improvement with the Jazz and I think by next
year he might actually be good at it. 1.8 blocks per game this year is a good
start.Defense is what killed the Jazz over the last 6 years but we
finally have the pieces in place to turn it around.
Hayward has responded rather well since the dodge ball game with D Will. His
defensive talents alone will keep in this league for years to come. Not to
mention his shooting and point guard skills. He can obviously play. I believe
that KOC did a good job also on the D Will trade with Favors as a real big with
awesome athetisism. Devin Harris is very talented as well if he can become more
familiar with the guys and become more of a distributor. The future looks brite
to me. Oh and the draft picks. The Jersey pick, if we can't get Williams or
Barnes, use it in a trade for a good 3. With our own pick snag Jimmer to spread
the floor and open up the middle. Go Jazz!
Jazz fans rejoice. Kirilenko's contract is FINALLY OVER!!!!!
Go Real Salt Lake! That's 2 teams from Denver that got whooped last night.
The Jazz need to pick up a guard with their first draft choice or move up some
with their second one. If they go big with the first pick, the three or four
best guards will be gone by the time the Jazz pick next. I think their front
line is coming together. Would like to see a Kevin McHale-type power forward
work with Favors and Fes. Jefferson has some of the moves McHale had, but McHale
did more. Malone couldn't dunk like McHale, Favors and Fes can, unless he got a
good head of steam going on the fast break he would get stuffed and/or maybe get
foul shots. Some of the people Hayward played against recently were not first
stringers, but some were, and he is sure looking good and shooting great. Enjoy
your off season, Jazzmen!
Love Haywards game, he is fun to watch, he plays smart and controlled. His shots
are within the system and he doesn't jack up shots just to be shooting.CJ
could learn from Hayward. Hayward also plays good D, passes well and rebounds
well, he's going to be a fine player for many years.Favors has alot of
work to do but he has alot of potential, hope he puts in the work necessary to
get stronger and improve his skills.Wish some how Malone could start
working with Favors.The draft should be interesting and fun and even free
agency should be interesting with the Jazz having some money to work with. AK's
contract coming off the books opens up possibilities.
I know that the Jazz are in for a few down years, but future looks pretty okay.
For starters before they got Deron the team was a bunch of make shift players
and an injured Carlos Boozer. Now they have a nice starting point, with some
picks, Two of last years top 10 picks in Hayward and Favors. Not to mention a
few large contracts coming off the books in the next few years. I think they,ll
be fine.Fun game to watch tonight. Gordon has really seemed to come
into his own towards the end of this season. Love how hard he works. Favors as
well.Hopefully the Jazz have a nice draft. Looking forward to next
year, (pending lockout of course) But either wayGO JAZZ! :D
How about the Kid. Hayward was Ballin today. Sad to see the season end,
especially with the rooks showing promise, along with the rest of the team.Come back stronger and better next season so we can make a run for the
The Jazz need real leadership - both in the locker room and in the floor. DWill
was a strong personality, but apparently not a strong leader. His hard pass to
Hayward when GH was out of position showed that he was just one example of a
polarizing figure on the team (as great and as exciting as he was as an
individual player). No one on the roster now has that same strong
personality. They're a bunch of nice guys, but someone needs to step out of the
crowd and be the leader. Bell is the most senior guy on the team, but can he be
the catalyst to help the players become a cohesive team? Millsap is the strong
silent type, which is great for a supporting role but he won't be the leader.
Jefferson? It probably isn't fair to judge him based on this year.
I'd like to see them fill the vacant coaching seat with Karl Malone. He can
help toughen up the troops while the entire staff tries to teach some leadership
skills to a couple of guys and basketball fundamentals to all of them, which
will lead to consistent play.
As bad as the season was, at least this team showed some promise and got some
nice wins at the end.The draft and off-season will be
interesting.Only thing to do now is cheer for whoever is playing the
Lakers in the playoffs.
@crj-- It's just not going to happen with CJ. That's what Jazz fans have been
saying the last three off-seasons: What if CJ stopped eating cheeseburgers? What
if CJ hit the weights? What if he finally realizes his potential? Unfortunately,
I just don't think it's going to happen. But, I definitely agree that Hayward
will be legit and I'm excited to see how his off-season work pays off-- he and
What if CJ can hit the weights through the summer, work on getting some
consistency to his game, and get that killer look in his eyes that All-Stars
have at crunch time? What if both CJ and Hayward showed up every game next year
like Kobe does, like Hayward did tonight? Can you imagine how much fun it would
be in the middle for Milsap, Big Al and DFav if the Jazz constantly had shooting
threats hanging around the perimeter?Or am I overreacting to the
season-ending 2-game win streak? Anxious for next year.
Hayward is legit.
if Hayward can perform like this day in and day out...that would be awesome...
CJ, it was nice having you. We now have a 2 who can score and play defense. If
you would like, we have a nice position for you coming off the bench.
Hayward did awesome! glad the jazz drafted him afterall, hope they are just as
smart with the picks this year. NICE WIN UTAH! thanks for the effort, look
forward to seeing you next year!