Utah Utes football: Norm Chow enjoying spring ball on the hill

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  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    April 11, 2011 7:32 p.m.

    Navel Vet
    Ran out of space... so before someone comes on and says something... I mention edin my first posting that it was unfortunate that it was Crowton and not Edwards and Chow that Urban went up against when he did play BYU. Urban would have liked to have played against Edwards and Chow. He talked about it on several occasions....but he did get to play the others.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    April 11, 2011 7:07 p.m.

    Navel Vet
    I'm just going from Personal conversations while he was here. Spent a lot of time talking to the man. He was the type to always want to prove something new... which he did everytime he took over a new program...The point is that he specifically sought to place himself where he could prove his gameplans agains great coaches. He talked a lot about the Pro set... a lot about Chow and really admired Edwards... Of the others you mentioned... Earle Bruce was also a big discussion. But I heard personally a lot about Edwards, Bowden and Sabin as well. His pathway from here to Utah to Florida got him the opportunities to play against those coaches that I mentioned which is exactly one of the things he wanted to do. I'm not looking for an argument I'm just telling you that he delibertly proceeded along a calculated path that got him where he wanted to be. He's a great coach a good man and someone you can't help but admire. It just seemed at the time that Notre Dame was the obvious...but fortunately it turned out to be Utah instead.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 11, 2011 5:34 p.m.

    Where's Stockton ???:

    Urban Meyer cited the following coaches as his primary influence: Earle Bruce, Bob Davie, Lou Holtz, Sonny Lubick, and dear 'ole Dad.

    Some of his minor coaching influences included: Nick Saban, John Robinson, Rich Rodriguez, John L. Smith, Bill Snyder, Steve Spurrier, and Bill Walsh.

    There were no mentions of Edwards or Chow. You made that up. How embarrassing for you.

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 11, 2011 9:34 a.m.

    "but the joke is old, and it wasn't your joke. Get creative with something new"

    You have the audacity to use the PAC 10.2 the come up with the above gem?

    What a tool

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    April 11, 2011 5:45 a.m.

    And as far as Urban Meyer goes let's clear the air a little since my office at BGSU was right down the hall from his. He was an astute student of coaching styles. Four of the best active coaches (including assistants) in football that he greatly respected and intensly studied while he was here building BGSU's program were Nick Saban, Lavell Edwards, Bobby Bowden and Norm Chow. Not necessarily in that order. I heard him talk about Lavell Edwards many times as well as Chow. He worked and incorporated much of his developing offensive strategy from what he learned from these coaches more so than probably any others. Once he pretty much had his philosphies and designs down pat he left BGSU to prove them. Obviously he wanted any opportunities to see if his offense could beat that of the coaches and programs he most respected. Most of us here were stunned when he didn't take the Notre Dame route. And it's a shame that by that time it was Crowton and not Edwards/Chow at the helm of BYU when he took the Head Coacing job at Utah. But it's obvious as to why!!!

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    April 10, 2011 11:43 p.m.


    "I agree, the utes are no way on the same level as the rest of the big name teams Oklahoma, TCU, Oregon, Oregon State, UCLA, etc..."

    Neither is byu! They are still a non-aq school, only independent!

  • Y-Not-u Bluffdale, UT
    April 10, 2011 11:23 p.m.

    @ Urban "I still can't say it" Meyer:

    You have to let Urban's "school down south" thing go. He's retired now and is actually friends with Bronco. He has said "BYU" many times. If you prefer to type out "The school in Provo" instead of BYU, hey, it's a free world, but you need to live for the now, the PAC 10.2 needs you no move on. I know you're still wiping away the tears after Urban used you as a door mat, but the joke is old, and it wasn't your joke. Get creative with something new. You're welcome. Happy to help.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 10, 2011 9:35 p.m.


    And you feel free to do likewise. I've never been a chow hater but I have no desire to have him back either. And yes that is the opinion of the majority of BYU fans. I have nothing against Robert Anae either but have no desire to have him back. Sometimes it is just time to move on, for both parties. Chow's time at BYU was over. Period.

  • localblue Sandy, UT
    April 10, 2011 8:29 p.m.

    @Duckhunter - While I agree with what you are generally saying, you are incorrect in using "we" when you say "you" are happy to not have him at BYU. Chow is still close with several on the coaching staff at BYU and these guys would love to have him back. There are others as well in the administration and elsewhere who would like to have somebody like Chow back. It's never talked about or considered because there is no way Chow will go back to BYU but there is a lot less of this "good riddance" attitude among those in positions to make decision at BYU, along with many of the fans, than you suggest in your statement. Chow is a good guy with a lot of friends and supporters in a lot of places and would be welcomed with open arms by a lot of camps, including many of those at BYU. Feel free to speak for yourself but not for all of BYU and its alumni.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    April 10, 2011 5:24 p.m.

    Hedgehog, the ultimate troll! Ute, the ultimate wannabee!

  • BluCoug Provo, UT
    April 10, 2011 4:27 p.m.

    @ I Still Can't Say It

    "The Team in Provo has had one quality victory in the last decade -- the win over Oklahoma last season."

    I agree, the utes are no way on the same level as the rest of the big name teams Oklahoma, TCU, Oregon, Oregon State, UCLA, etc...

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 10, 2011 4:07 p.m.


    Actually a smart move by a coach who annually has a scrimmage game. By delaying the game to a day with better weather he, along with the other coaches, can better assess position development.

    bronco is a rookie when it comes to the scrimmage.... he'll learn...eventually.

  • Y-Not-u Bluffdale, UT
    April 10, 2011 2:13 p.m.

    Inclement weather?! What is this, baseball?

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    April 10, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    And as far as Utah's first PAC schedule vs BYU's first Indy. I'd look at it as... Utah being thrown to the dogs with out a chance to to even get out of the tightly knotted guneysack that they threw you in the pit in... while BYU wound up in a free for all rodeo roundup and at least wound up with a couple of good rounder's their first time out of the shute. I like Chow and Kyle...I just feel sorry for them on their first go around.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    April 10, 2011 11:45 a.m.

    I had a response to your 8:31p.m. response to nunja that for some reason didn't fly with the monitor. It would have preempted Duckey's addressing of Chow's impact only on a couple of BYU's All American's Scovil was there as an OC on the Quarterback production line before Chow and Chow had the benefit to learn a lot from Scovil as an assistant working with him. Scovil goes back to the Virgil Carter days and then worked with Gifford Nielson, Mark Wilson and Jim Mcmahon. You cannot separate the influence of Scovil's impact on the skills that Chow learned from him.

    Let's start with UCLA and not USC not having success while Chow was thier Offensive coodinator. Obviously you weren't thinking straight. Somehow you had Knuheisel coaching USC instead of Pete Carroll. I know you meant UCLA and yes that's true... they had no talent and Chow and Knuheisel didn't get along...mainly because Rick's a micromanager and wouldn't give the riens of the offense to Chow. Then he harnessed him to a lousey impotent Pistol Offense. Chow's leaving is great for Utah.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    April 10, 2011 11:16 a.m.

    That's humerous there Hedgie about me trolling Utah articles I haven't been here in months...as for you... your reputation as a troll is insurmoutable. But I have a new perspective about you now since your last two comments on "The Rock's" article about the BCS Fiesta Bowl fiasco. Even in your obviously jealous demeaner you now have the distinction to be the first Utey to actually concede and admit the truth... That it was BYU's defeat of Ann Arbor's finest in the 1984 Holiday Bowl and the indisputed consensus of the Major Polls that awarded BYU the Championship that brought down The Holy Grail of College Football. The Holiday Bowl ended the time honored tradition of crowning College Football's National Champion on thier Holy New year's Day and in only the 3 Holiest of their shrines. The Rose, The Sugar and the Orange. And we already know that it was that event that led to the creation of BCS so the travesty you try to convey out of that is the continuing to have to live with the "No Joy" of Ann Arbor's finest dropping the ball. Go eat your crickets!!!

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    April 10, 2011 10:45 a.m.

    @ duckhuntet. Yes the poly connection was in place but not to the same extent it would have been without Chow. Chow came straight from Hawaii High School and had that pipeline that assisted in hundreds of islanders making the transition to Provo. I have a copy of the Lavell's book that came out in the early 80's. He credits most of the offensive success to Chow and developing his qb's as well. Chow has a huge ego and has driven a lot of people crazy and away from programs. He will bring a lot of great offensive recruits to Utah as he did everywhere he has gone. Kyle will butt heads with him but if we're winning, we'll be happy.

  • mistertilly Provo, Utah
    April 10, 2011 10:34 a.m.


    Are you really going to complain about a BYU fan trolling a Ute article? This may be the first time I've ever read a comment from you on a Utah article. You're usually lurk sites waiting for anything BYU to be published so you can be the first to predict their demise.

    That said, I've been a Cougar fan my entire life, but I'm wishing the Utes all the best! I'd love for them to go into this season and take the Pac12 title right off the bat, to show all of those BCS schools that the only thing they have going for them is entitlement.

    Go Cougs! and then...Go Utes!

  • I Still Can't Say It Holladay, UT
    April 10, 2011 10:19 a.m.


    "he fell flat on his face after he left BYU"

    Ha ha, I guess those national championships and Heisman trophies at USC were "nothing." Nice try.

    Let's just address the elephant in the room. We all know the Team in Provo should've hired Coach Chow after LaVell retired. That was a huge mistake. Look at what you've had instead. One bad hire, one so-so hire -- and a decade of mediocrity on the football field in Provo.

    The Team in Provo has had one quality victory in the last decade -- the win over Oklahoma last season. But we also know how that came about. Urban Meyer helped Bronco put the game plan together that beat the Sooners. Holy cow!

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    April 10, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    @where's Stockton. Obviously the Utes shouldn't even show up for the game because they are "going to get creamed" against USC. What's the use? BYU should stay home from Texas and TCU right? We should just schedule New Mexico State, Idaho, Idaho State, Utah State right? We should have just stayed in the MWC and not taken the opportunity to improve our university in athletics and academics right? We should just turn down the tens of millions coming our way right?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 10, 2011 9:56 a.m.


    Some of what you are sayng there is correct but a bunch of it isn't. 1st of all chow did not develop all of BYU's top qb's, Doug Scovil and Ted Tollner were much more responsible for that. Chow can be given credit for the guys after Steve Young and only one of those guys, Detmer, would I put in the class of the pre-chow qb's.

    Also the POLY connection at BYU was firmly in place pre-chow. In some ways chow is responsible for some of those guys starting to go to other schools.

    I know of at least one very well known (in the NFL now) POLY recruit who he was responsible for driving away from BYU. He took those guys for granted and assumed they would simply go to BYU with no effort on his part. He was wrong and that allowed ron mcbride to make major inroads with them.

    Frankly most of us a very glad he is gone from BYU and have no desire to have him back. Good for you if you guys want him, you're welcome to him, but we don't want him at all.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 10, 2011 9:30 a.m.

    'Despite probation and possible other sanctions still hanging over their heads they signed 25 of the top Rival.Com 100..."

    bowling green (LOL),

    I know you like to troll Utah articels and leave suface-y comments. When (not if) sactions are inforced upon USC they will have to "true up". Most likely cutting deeper than the lose of 10 recruits annually (for three years). I won't agrue that Utah will forever be the under dog to possibly the most elite college football ever.

    I'm not sold of Kiffin having the same success going forward.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    April 10, 2011 8:31 a.m.

    @nunya. You have absolutely no knowledge of football. When Chow left left for NC State and developed one of the best offense with Philip Rivers. He also developed the Tennessee Titans into a good offense and won National titles at USC with Matt Leinart and Carson Palmer. Both were Heisman winners. He did not do well at USC due to a lack of talent and infighting with Neuheisel. Only played on 7 losing teams since 1973 and even then, his offense was usually solid. Chow was the reason Lavell was successful on offense. Chow was the man that developed all of BYU's all American QB's in the 70's 80's and 90's and really helped bring in the poly connection to Provo. BYU football would not be anywhere close to where it is now without Chow.

  • joek Bountiful, UT
    April 10, 2011 8:30 a.m.

    Re Nunya -
    You either don't know what you are talking about or are are intentionally trying to be negative. To say that Chow did nothing after he left BYU is like saying that Danny Ainge did nothing after he left BYU. Chow had two Heisman trophy winners, was OC at some of the top schools and in the NFL. He was widely successful, and widely sought after.

    He had huge success as NC State and USC. Nunya, what have you done since you left BYU, why don't I know your name and why aren't you getting paid a million a year?

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    April 10, 2011 6:40 a.m.

    What??? No mention of probational USC ...despite some major spring injuries. You do realize that they are sitting with the myriad of star power that allows them to just keep reloading. Utah is going to get creamed from the get go. I wish it wasn't so...I'm a big Whittingham and Chow fan but reality will at some point... sink in. Look at USC's full compliment of new recruits. Despite probation and possible other sanctions still hanging over their heads they signed 25 of the top Rival.Com 100...all 4 stars but two who were 5 star. Plus they got 3 4stars who enrolled and are gray shirting...so that actually gave them 27 of the top 100. Utah got 2 4's...The math is definitely not there to put Utah even close to the top 3rd in the PAC. Maybe in the Soutern Division with the Arizona schools having the worst of the PAC'S big injuries.

  • nunya sacramento, ca
    April 10, 2011 1:26 a.m.

    believe me, They don't want him. The best he's ever done was at BYU and only because Lavel was the man....he fell flat on his face after he left BYU. Aren't you just so excited that your offense is going to look like uncla's for however long chao was there? Still laughing. It's going to be a great year.

  • The Rabbit (in Spanish) Salt Lake City, UT
    April 9, 2011 11:01 p.m.

    I wish Utah well in the PAC12. I will root for them in every game except against BYU. Regardless of some fan behavior (which goes both ways BYU fans), Utah is worthy of the support of this community.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 9, 2011 10:26 p.m.


    Well BYU even hindered with the 2-headed monster QB system took down Washington who I think finished 4th in conference last year. Utah beat Cal in that bowl the previous year with a freshman QB (I'd note BYU's win over Oregon State too but they don't have Hall anymore so it's not as applicable). I think Utah or BYU both would be a solid threat to finish third in the PAC-12 (no way anyone's catching Oregon or Stanford, due to scheduling luck Utah faces neither next year which probably gives them inside track as long as they go something like 5-1 in division which is totally doable). Frankly I would have loved for BYU to be in the PAC-12 instead of Colorado.

  • I Still Can't Say It Holladay, UT
    April 9, 2011 9:19 p.m.

    Of course Coach Chow is enjoying himself up on the sacred ground of RES where he belongs. It's got to feel good to be back home. He should've never been stolen away and tricked into coaching for the team in Provo in the first place.

    In other words, move along Cougars. Nothing to see here. You're not going to steal away Coach Chow again.

  • Captain Kanab, UT
    April 9, 2011 9:05 p.m.

    Although I am and will always be a BYU fan. I am intrested to see how Utah does this year. I believe that it will take a while for the Utes to blossum in the Pac-10 but in a few years im looking for them to be real contenders. Norm Chow is and unbelievable pick up for the Utes coaching staff and will make them a real contender.