Dick Harmon: BYU, Dave Rose is a marriage made in basketball heaven

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  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    April 8, 2011 9:58 a.m.


    Your incessant sniping on every BYU article makes you look insecure about your own team's future. "Me thinks he doth protest too much".

  • BoringGuy Holladay, UT
    April 7, 2011 6:00 p.m.

    I'm sorry, did you say the Deseret Duel? Nobody's ever liked the Deseret Duel and most of us are just happy it's going the way of the WAC. The only important score is the Utes have taken care of business against the team in Provo 2/3 times on the football field.

    As far as this co-called "marriage" is concerned between Coach Rose and the team in Provo, a marriage is a two-way street. You can't move your "spouse" from a mansion on the hill to a trailer park (aka WCC) and expect said spouse to be happy. We'll see how this WCC thing turned out in the long run for the college in Provo's hoops squad.

  • lasermann Orem, UT
    April 7, 2011 3:02 p.m.

    Congratulations to Coach Rose for a well-deserved raise. I can't think of anyone else that I would rather see driving the juggernaut that is BYU Basketball.

    @Boring Guy -- did you really say that Utah will "continue" to eclipse BYU? Have you seen the results of the Deseret First Duel for the last couple of years?

    Thinking you should change your handle to Clueless Guy.

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    April 7, 2011 2:59 p.m.

    For those who understand BYU and its mission, coaching is more than the W-L column. While that makes one important component of accomplishment it is not the ultimate yardstick. "Winning" involves far more than a conference, bowl or tournament championship. That's why Cougar fans can only smile and shake their heads at some of the derogatory comments made on this and other articles. Thanks Coach Rose for supporting the greater picture. Oh yes, thanks too for winning.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    April 7, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    Mormon Ute | 8:38 a.m. April 7, 2011
    Kaysville, UT
    I just have to say something about all this small gym talk from some of the Ute fans. Get over it!

    I agree...

    I remember watching Utah at SDSU about fifteen years ago, free tickets from the U.

    SDSU played in a gym at the time.

    Now they have an arena.

    With the addition of BYU, the WCC becomes a two, or maybe three bid basketball conference.

    With the departure of Utah and BYU, the MWC became a two bid conference, with the exception of a conference champion taking a spot in the NCAA's.

    Will the exposure BYUTV brings generate enough interest for these teams to build bigger basketball facilities?

    Who knows.

    However, both Utah and BYU have improved over last years MWC deal, and we will have better teams to watch from both schools coming up.

    What a great time to be a fan of Utah college sports!!!

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    April 7, 2011 12:31 p.m.

    Once again a sought-after BYU coach turns down more (likely much more) money to go coach at a supposedly better situation. Again the Y supposedly dodges the bullet (as imagined by the haters) that these guys chafe under the honor code and all the other imagined roadblocks to putting together top-tier programs. Once again the Y keeps its unlikely record that no head coach has ever left the university for a "better" job. And once again the outside world just can't get how it happens.

    And once again I, and Faithful all over the globe, smile and nod. Thanks Coach Rose. I look forward to sending you retirement best wishes, addressed to Provo, Utah, hopefully many years from now.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 7, 2011 11:37 a.m.

    When the anouncement came that Boise State was joining the MWC I was pretty excited about the opportunity of becoming a BCS conference. When the invited to the PAC-10 came, I had mixed feelings. I had built up this feeling of us against them for so long that I had a hard time accepting that we were going to be joining them. I have come to terms with that and now am focused on the positive things the U will get from the move, but it still bothers me that the college presidents in the NCAA have allowed this exclusive group to control the football postseason. I still hope for a national championship and I hope the troubles the Fiesta Bowl is having will be the beginning of the end for the hold the bowls have on the postseason.

  • gramma b Orem, UT
    April 7, 2011 11:03 a.m.

    I wonder if we'll keep Rice?

  • Lone Star Cougar Plano, TX
    April 7, 2011 10:55 a.m.

    @ Mormon Ute

    I agree with you and USAlover and your last comment on the BCS was very astute and probably accurate. The BCS folks will do almost anything to protect their "Magic Kingdom".

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    April 7, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    Guess which school is going to continue to win the recruiting war in the state of Utah?

    Glad to have coach Rose on board.

    Great time to be a Cougar.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 7, 2011 10:26 a.m.


    So true. Maybe the invites to the PAC-10 and Big East were orchestrated to prevent that. The BCS conferences knew that with Boise State coming into the MWC we would have a rock solid case for inclusion.

    I can imagine a series of private meetings of BCS conference commissioners where they orchestrated the whole thing. Inlcuding the pretend dismantling of the Big-12. Getting Colorado was the PAC-10's consolation prize for agreeing to take Utah out of the MWC. The Big East probably was eager to take on TCU, because they had been consistently ranked below the MWC and the WAC for several years and their conference champ hadn't even been ranked in the top 25.

    They may not have envisioned BYU going independent, but knew that if they took two of the top teams out it would suffeciently weaken the conference. BYU going independent was just icing on the cake for them. I wouldn't be surprised to see the MWC and the WAC merge in the next few years in order for the athletic programs they sponsor to survive.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    April 7, 2011 9:44 a.m.

    Just wishing we hadn't signed the mtn contract.

    Can you imagine Utah, BYU, TCU, Boise State and others still in the MWC?

    My guess is the MWC would have been included in the BCS in a matter a couple years.

    We'll never know....

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    April 7, 2011 9:10 a.m.

    After watching BYU battle Wyoming, Colorado State, and New Mexico in the WAC and MWC for decades, it's going to be an adjustment creating new conference rivalries with Gonzaga, Saint Mary's, Pepperdine and the rest of the WCC.

    For BYU fans who follow men's volleyball, it will be less of an adjustment because BYU has been playing California teams like San Diego and Pepperdine for years in the MPSF.

    I'm looking forward to playing in the WCC. I suspect that playing Gonzaga in Spokane is going to be every bit as tough as playing Utah State in Logan, New Mexico in the Pit, UNLV in the T&M, or SDSU in Viejas Arena.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    April 7, 2011 8:54 a.m.

    Dear Boring Guy: Where do you get all that from? It is VERY clear that Rose wanted to stay at BYU. That's why he turned down several other offers. He's clearly VERY happy at BYU. And.....Utah hasn't eclipsed BYU in any sense, be it athletically or academically. BYU clearly outshines Utah in both arenas. I attended both universities and I know whereof I speak.

    I think Dave Rose should be coach of the year for the act of suspending Davies alone. Any coach who has that kind of character, under those circumstances, should be coach of the year. Not only is he a great basketball coach, he is also a great man. The message should be sent...that kind of character should be celebrated. That's what college sports should be about instead of just winning at all costs. That's why BYU shines in today's world.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 7, 2011 8:38 a.m.

    I just have to say something about all this small gym talk from some of the Ute fans. Get over it! Have you seen some of the gyms in the ACC, Atlantic-10, Big East and SEC? Big gyms don't make the program nor do they indicate the success or failure of the program. Any school without a big football program is likely to have a small arena to play in, because they don't have the football dollars to subsidize basketball. So can we move on past this small gym smack talk. It is really getting old.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    April 7, 2011 8:33 a.m.

    You can tell a great deal about a person by how they respond under adversity.
    When the team lost Brandon it knocked them for a loop. A shell shocked BYU team lost badly to UNM, and then blew out Wyoming.

    In the MWC tournament they struggled and improved but lost to a very talented revenge minded SDSU team. BYU improved with each game without Davies.

    They blew out Gonzaga and battled Florida into overtime while playing one of their worst games of the season. Rose just finds a way. If is the biggest word in the English language. What if Davies had been in that game? Would he have made the one point difference that was needed to win in regulation without going into overtime? You bet he would!

    Florida lost in overtime to Butler. If a Davies equipped Cougar squad had been in that game and only played an average game BYU could have taken it all.

    That is the team that Rose built.
    Rose is worth every cent he is paid several times over.

    Hi Hedgy, good to see you again. Always a pleasure to hear from you.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    April 7, 2011 8:31 a.m.

    As a BYU fan, would I rather be playing in front of 5,000 fans on the MTN on a bitterly cold February night in Laramie, or in front of 4,500 fans (average WCC arena size) on ESPN in Malibu, San Diego, Los Angeles, or San Francisco?


    Goodbye MWC; HELLOOOOO WCC!!!

    Utah fans talking attendance smack is laughable.

    The Utes have been playing in front of WCC-sized crowds for the last two years...

    AT HOME!!!

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 7, 2011 8:31 a.m.


    I thought everyone knew Lavell's contract was year to year. In today's college sports world there's no way BYU can get away with that. Especially with the lower salaries. Job security at least helps bridge the gap.

    This is the same way the Church deals with all it's employees. I'm not saying it's wrong, but they consider the pay gap to be service to the Church and the Lord and they tell the employees that right up front.

  • boatersteve Fruit Heights, Utah
    April 7, 2011 8:21 a.m.

    Good for Dave Rose, if my sons grow up to be the man that Dave Rose is I would not ask for more. My only request is that somewhere in the contract with the mega bucks is a provision that Dave must win a tournament, of any kind, sometime during the five years.

  • Observation-ist Ogden, UT
    April 7, 2011 8:15 a.m.

    Dick, you forgot to include a more important fact about Jimmer. Didn't Coach Rose RECRUIT Jimmer too? Coaching / teaching is vital but so is recruiting. Here's to hoping that BYU continues to recruit talent.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    April 7, 2011 7:59 a.m.

    For our ute frineds who refer to WCC gyms as "high school" gyms, you'll get a good look at glorified high school gyms at Cal, Stanford, Oregon State and Washington.

  • LetsBeRational Spanish Fork, UT
    April 7, 2011 7:51 a.m.

    @Honor Code: Could you please enlighten us as to how "BYU Football kicked Rose in the teeth and then into the curb"?

    and why you you "buy the BYU channel package" just for "staying up til 1:00 am watching mediocre basketball and devotionals!" Your comments seem rather hollow.

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    April 7, 2011 7:41 a.m.

    BYU and Dave Rose are for REAL!

    They are a significant basketball program.

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    April 7, 2011 6:44 a.m.


    You may want to check your math. You appear to have multiplied season ticket prices by 17 games. People only pay for season tickets once per year. The cheapest seats at the Marriott Center do not cost $75 per game.

    The future looks bright with coach Rose! He has proven himself to be a consistent winner. I'm glad that I won't have to "wait and see how it pans out" with a new coach.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    April 7, 2011 6:10 a.m.

    @ BoringGuy. "But let's be honest, it's clear now that Coach really wanted to come to Utah to compete in the PAC-12."

    I guess this is as clear to you as all the predictions from hedgehog, chrisb and several other "predictors" on all the BYU non-wins this past year. You ALL need to clean your crytal balls off, get rid of your tarot cards, start having better dreams or something! You all have been so far off with things that it is really shameful!

    Please, please, please.....let's keep it real.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    April 7, 2011 3:23 a.m.

    So is Rose the highest paid Coach now in the WCC?

    I find it amusing that after BYU Football kicked Rose in the teeth and then into the curb that all of a sudden he's being "loved" again.

    I just bought the BYU channel package, I'm looking forward to High School Basketball and those packed High School gyms. My family will be annoyed at me for staying up til 1:00 am watching mediocre basketball and devotionals!

  • Marc Jenks Las Vegas, NV
    April 7, 2011 2:18 a.m.


    Sincerely, Marc living in another state.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    April 6, 2011 11:23 p.m.

    BoringGuy | 10:37 p.m. April 6, 2011
    Holladay, UT

    I'll keep that in mind when the Utes are playing in the Staples Center each year in post-season PAC-12 tourney play.

    Utes going to fill the Staples center like they fill the Huntsman?

    How deep did they make it into the Thomas and Mack this April?

    (Hey, are they playing in Hawaii again this December against USD?)

    Bring SW Baptist to the Staples. I would like to see if Utah could beat them on a neutral court.


    Boring Guy... Really, is Ute Basketball Smack a game you want to play on a BYU story right now?



    Notice, nothing gets the Hedgester down? Like the bunny on TV... He keeps going and going and going...

    Who'd have known the the Hedge runs on batteries?

  • sports-junkie West Jordan, UT
    April 6, 2011 10:50 p.m.

    Gotta love the arena size smack.

    When U got no other smack. "Yeah...well...USD only holds 4,000 people...take that!"

    You people crack me up. By the way, utes are 2 and 7 in their last 9 against WCC. oops.

    Not good, utes. Not good.

  • BoringGuy Holladay, UT
    April 6, 2011 10:37 p.m.


    "University of Portland is working on scheduling their game with BYU in the Rose Garden (where the Blazers play) which is only about 5 minutes from campus."

    I'll keep that in mind when the Utes are playing in the Staples Center each year in post-season PAC-12 tourney play.

  • BoringGuy Holladay, UT
    April 6, 2011 10:33 p.m.


    Seems to me you're just a little concerned about your rival's future. That is, we know that the Utes -- through hard work and years of success -- have become the premium college athletics program in the state and the West.

    Over the next decade, we're going to see Utah continue to eclipse the school in Provo in most likely every sport -- football, basketball, women's hoops, etc... Things are going to be pretty one-sided from here on out. Though the Provo school has the "exclusive" contract, the Utes will be on ESPN a lot more.

    For example, when it comes to football, the Utes have taken care of BYU the last 2/3 years. Given the talent level on display during spring ball on the Hill, it'll soon be 3/4.

    Though my dreams and your nightmares are filled with images of "The Block" in the last holy war, I can't wait for September. Two in a row!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    April 6, 2011 10:27 p.m.

    BoringGuy - "But let's be honest, it's clear now that Coach really wanted to come to Utah to compete in the PAC-12. Now he'll settle for the WCC and its high school gyms."

    Your statement makes no sense. Where do you get your clarity? If Coach Rose wanted to be in Utah, he would be there. He didn't want to be at Utah, Oklahoma or NC State. He wanted to be at BYU, on ESPN.

    There is no settling for the WCC. With BYU, the WCC will be as strong as the MWC has been, maybe stronger. Nobody in the MWC or PAC has had the level of success as the Zags the past decade.

    Ute fans haven't thought about the value of playing in smaller gyms. There are fewer home fans to cheer against BYU. Don't worry, most of them will move their game to another venue. University of Portland is working on scheduling their game with BYU in the Rose Garden (where the Blazers play) which is only about 5 minutes from campus.

  • bballjunkie Cedar Hills, UT
    April 6, 2011 10:03 p.m.


    Really that is the best you got? Might be true though they went through a half dozen "No"s" again before the greatest job in the NCAA was filled again.LOL

  • Y4LYFE Lubbock, TX
    April 6, 2011 9:57 p.m.

    Great keep for Y, and I'm glad to see they are changing some methods in athletics.

    Also glad utah couldn't 'buy' this coach.

    Also glad to know that our coaches salary pays for wins. Great success is coming.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    April 6, 2011 9:55 p.m.

    Great news. Coach Rose is perfect for BYU basketball all things considered. I don't know where we'd find a replacement. What other investments/changes in BYU basketball... we'll have to wait and see. It is always wise to never loose a good performer over money. How much of Jimmer is Rose and how much of Rose is Jimmer we'll soon know. We do know that without Brandon Davis, they were 5 and 3. I personally believe that a lot of Jimmer's all around success is due to the guidance he received from Coach Rose.

  • BoringGuy Holladay, UT
    April 6, 2011 9:54 p.m.

    "BYU, Dave Rose is a marriage made in basketball heaven"

    Well, I guess you could say Rose staying at BYU is like a marriage. But let's be honest, it's clear now that Coach really wanted to come to Utah to compete in the PAC-12. Now he'll settle for the WCC and its high school gyms. It's a shame because, as a great man and a great coach, he deserves better.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    April 6, 2011 9:40 p.m.

    About 1/5th of the Marriott seating is AllSport student seating at $65-90 per student pass. The rest of the seats (18,000) cost between $75 and $337 with 30-35% at $269 or above.

    A sold out Marriot Center is worth approximately $3 million x 17 home games or 51 million a year. Basketball is not chump change at BYU.

    BYU can afford to give Rose a decent raise for filling the Marriott Center. It is basically a no brainer.

  • TMung99 Bluffdale, Utah
    April 6, 2011 8:58 p.m.

    Hedgie... just give it up... its almost sad now

  • Rock Chalk BYU Lawrence, KS
    April 6, 2011 8:57 p.m.

    I don't know why some people are confused about Samuelson's remark about Rose being underpaid. Samuelson was saying that Rose is priceless, you can't put a dollar figure on what a guy like Rose does for your program. Thanks Coach!!

  • BigRich Orem, UT
    April 6, 2011 7:22 p.m.

    Maybe Rose needs to thank Jimmer just a bit too!

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 6, 2011 7:21 p.m.

    "I have a feeling that Kruger will regret leaving UNLV."

    You might be right but I know of 3 Krugers very happy where they were/are.

  • ha_Y_nCoug Mililani, HI
    April 6, 2011 7:11 p.m.

    Glad we got Rose for a good 5 years. Can't believe Lavell was on a year to year. I hope Rice decides to stay as well, however I will respect him too if he does become a Rebel. Hard to turn down that type of opportunity.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    April 6, 2011 6:19 p.m.

    Rose will not regret staying at BYU.

    I have a feeling that Kruger will regret leaving UNLV.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 6, 2011 5:51 p.m.

    Thanks Dick for getting the inside scoop!

    An unprecendented deal indeed. A first time 5yr contract and who would have thought that Lavell Edwards had a year to year? Great story!

    ... and somewhere in Ann Arbor in the deep confines of his secret lair hedgie grabs a kleenex.