Brad Rock: New Ute coach brings solid credentials — and cowboy boots

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  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    April 7, 2011 3:16 p.m.

    Alrighty then coach. Lets win some games! Go Utes!

    Sportsfan, you seem caught up on semantics (national championship vs NCAA championship) and are looking to discredit the 1944 Utah team. Why?

    Fact: Utah won the NCAA championship in 1944. They then went on to be St. John's (the winner of the NIT) in MSG, and riddle me this: at that time how does a post-season "exhibition" game in the NIT champ's back yard differ from the exhibition games played during the NIT? Yes, Kentucky beat Utah in the first round of the 1944 NIT, but the Wildcats did not win the NIT. So who, then was the best team of 1944? Perhaps you'd prefer to put it to a vote? After all that's how BYU won't their football NCAA championship. And whether the Cougs were actually better than the Sooners that year is debatable. Doen't matter, 1984 belongs to the Y. 1944 basketball belongs to the U.

    Utah, NCAA champions 67 years ago. Get over it.

    Uteanymous @ 5:46 p.m.
    "Job offered to Dave Rose - rejected....Job offered to Dave Rice - rejected"

    Don't you just love made up facts...

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    April 5, 2011 11:37 p.m.

    Dave S

    If you really believe Krystkowiak was on the list of "big name" coaches Chris Hill had in mind when he fired Boylen, then you're really drinking the red koolaid.

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    April 5, 2011 9:49 p.m.

    @Uteanymous: Where are you getting your facts from? You better check your sources a little better on who the Utes actually offered the job to. The only one that they publicly chased was Bennett and he did reject the job. The others were pure speculation and nothing more!!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    April 5, 2011 9:30 p.m.

    Good luck Coach K.2 leading the Utes in the PAC 10.2. There will always only be one Coach K.

  • BoringGuy Holladay, UT
    April 5, 2011 8:47 p.m.

    Why is Rock writing something positive about the U. and its new coach?? Maybe the local media is finally getting over the sting of Utah ascending to the PAC.

    I welcome and encourage local media folks to embrace Utah's move to the big time...

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 5, 2011 5:46 p.m.

    The way it went down is simple:

    Job offered to Dave Rose - rejected

    Job offered to Randy Bennett - rejected

    Job offered to Lon Kruger - rejected

    Job offered to Mark Gottfried - rejected

    Job offered to Dave Rice - rejected

    Job offered to Larry Krystkowiak - whew, somebody finally accepted!

    Wahoo! This was our guy all along!

    Isn't it strange how not a single Utah fan was talking about Larry Krystkowiak three weeks ago after Boylen was fired.

    The "we're getting better" saga continues...

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    April 5, 2011 5:36 p.m.


    No omission; it was an EXHIBITION game won by a team that beaten soundly by Kentucky in the first round of the NIT.

    Oh, but I did leave out that the 1944 tournaments were played during the middle of World War II when only a handful of teams were still playing basketball, and the few teams left were composed mostly of freshmen and sophomores because almost all of the upper-classmen were busy fighting a world war.

    Utah didn't win a single conference game in 1944 and only won three non-conference games.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    April 5, 2011 4:26 p.m.


    that's the million dollar question. I honestly think there are about 4 people in this world who know how this went down, and none of them post on here.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    April 5, 2011 3:59 p.m.


    Since you know so much about basketball and the 1944 NCAA championship game, I was surprised when you made one glaring omission. You didn't mention that the NCAA champ Utah played the NIT champ in a benefit game in Madison Square Garden before 17,000 fans. It was touted as the National Championship game by all the east coast media. The coaches and players certainly believed it was the game for the national title. The 17,000 fans who paid to see the game believed it was the title game also, similar to a BCS National Championship Bowl Game today. Utah won.

  • Skippy West Jordan, UT
    April 5, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    I am very impressed by all the facts from both BYU and UTAH fans. The one fact I want proof of is who really was talked to about the coaching job seriously and who was really offered the job and turned it down. Most talk is just writers trying to get some attention. For those who "know" Hill talked to Rose, do you think maybe, just maybe he was trying to get some imput on other coaches to look at? You would have to be a little crazy (like hedgie)to even think Hill would really ask Rose to Coach at Utah. Rose is a great coach but he is not going to move to the U. If he were to move it would be out of Utah.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    April 5, 2011 1:39 p.m.


    I've explained myself. I'm sorry you don't understand the points I am trying to make. I feel I've explained them well, but you are going to interpret it as you will.

    Go ahead, feel good about your program. You should, BYU is a very good program. But I hope you can accept the fact that I feel very good about my program, and am proud of the history of University of Utah sports.

  • CBPapa Cedar Hills, UT
    April 5, 2011 1:18 p.m.

    Laser nailed it in his/her comment.
    Rock is just filibustering again. I hope Krystco does well...I like the guy...but he was NOT the first choice and it will be interesting to see how many players (if any) jump from the "Titanic" on the Hill.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2011 1:17 p.m.


    apples and oranges comparisons

    You're trying to tell us that an "Elite Eight" in the 1940's, when there were only EIGHT teams in the entire tournament is equivalent to an Elite Eight since the tournament expanded to 64 teams?

    Get real.

    And that 1944 "national championship"?

    Are you aware that Utah only won three regular season games in 1944, and then promptly lost to Kentucky in the opening round of the NIT?

    To claim a national championship for winning the NCAA in 1944, would be like claiming a national championship for winning the NIT in 2011.

  • blauch Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2011 1:06 p.m.

    BYU and Utah both had really good team back in the 40's and 50's.

    Util 1955 the NIT was more better tournament, paid better and had the better teams.
    Utah winning the NIT in 1947 and BYU winning the NIT in 1951 show how great they were.

    BYU second NIT championship does not mean as much. Just like Utahs 1944 NCAA tournament championship was against good teams, but not the best teams.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 5, 2011 1:02 p.m.

    How do the comments in response to an article about Utah's new coach deteriorate into an argument about who between Utah and BYU has the best program?

    I don't particulary agree that Coach K has solid credentials, but I hope he backs up what he said yesterday.

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    April 5, 2011 12:51 p.m.

    Lot of funny spins here not only in the article but on the comments. Rock already is trying to create an image for the coach. Wow, power of the press. Truth is jr. wasn't the guy on the top of the list and Utah got turned down more than once. Add to the fact that the players aren't excited and neither are the fans (faux/pseudo excitement).

    I hope this gentleman succeeds but to ignore the dissapointment on the hill is hillarious.

  • Balan West Jordan, Utah
    April 5, 2011 12:38 p.m.

    This guy does have a great resume. Heaven knows he has really "filled it up" over the past few years!

    Utah fans like to boast about their "national" basketball program. Give me a break. Butler has a higher profile program that the U. And what about UConn and their 3rd (yup, THIRD) national title??? Now that is a real "national" program.

    There are a whole slew of teams that are mentioned as a basketball power before the University of Utah even comes up, i.e San Diego, UNLV, Gonzaga, Utah State, New Mexico, Saint Mary's, Arizona and yes, even BYU - just to name a few regional programs.

    What Utah fans fail to realize is that it is all about what you have done lately, not 70 years ago!

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    April 5, 2011 11:37 a.m.


    If you are going to play the NIT>NCAA card then you have completely omitted utah's '47 NIT championship, either way a national championship.

    Who care's how many games they needed to get there, I don't see BYU there, so they must have done something to earn it.

    Your statement "Sweet Sixteen is meaningless unless you had to win at least two games to get there," is the exact kind of argument I was referring to. Who are you to say what is meaningless and what isn't? One could say that unless you had to play a equally ranked opponent, instead of a 6-6 one, a football national championship is meaningless.

    That's the point I was making to Ted. People from both sides want so hard to disparage the other team that they will set up artificial criteria that promotes their argument.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    April 5, 2011 11:15 a.m.


    You're showing your desperation by going back to the early days of the NCAA tournament to pad your "Sweet Sixteen" stats. Sweet Sixteen is meaningless unless you had to win at least two games to get there.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    April 5, 2011 11:00 a.m.


    Utah didn't win the national championship in 1944, the Utes won the NCAA tournament, which was the consolation tournament to the NIT.

    In fact, the Utes turned down their initial invitation to the NCAA, to play in the NIT, because the NIT was the most prestigious tournament of the day. (The reverse of the NCAA/NIT today.)

    And, you completely omitted BYU's 1951 and 1966 NIT tournament championships and the fact that in most of Utah's early Sweet Sixteen, Elite Eight, and Final Four appearances, the Utes were seeded into those positions or only had to win one or two games to get there.

    BYU's 2011 Sweet Sixteen team won just as many NCAA tournament games as Utah's 1966 Final Four team.

    Utah's basketball heyday ended with the WAC. BYU's record during the MWC era is much better.

    As far as football:

    BYU - 1 National Championship, 17 Top 25 Finishes, 1 Heisman Trophy, 15 National Individual Awards, 7 College Football Hall of Fame (6 players)

    Utah - 0 National Championships, 5 Top 25 Finishes, 0 Heisman Trophies, 0 National Individual Awards, 1 College Football Hall of Fame (0 players)

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    April 5, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    solid resume...hmmm

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    April 5, 2011 10:34 a.m.


    yep you're right, utah does have 8 losing seasons in that time frame, but they also 7 sweet 16s. But why stop at 30, let's go 75 years and tally up BYUs 17 losing seasons and grand total of 5 sweet 16s to Utah's 11 losing seasons and 13 sweet sixteens and national championship.

    The past is just as valid as the present. My only problem with going to the past is when people are selective about the time periods they wish to refer too. For instance, many Utah fans use the 90's for basketball and this past decade for football to support their arguments. Likewise, many BYU fans cite 1984 and the surrounding 5-7 years as the only credible time period for football reference.

    Yes, national champions has a nice ring to it, see my response to busters.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 5, 2011 10:21 a.m.

    This may turn out to be a good hire and Krystco may turn out to be an excellent coach but hills assertion that there were multiple equations and not a list is laughable. I understand he is trying to save face and I understand he is trying to make it seem as if he got the guy he wanted all along but seeing as we all know he wanted Bennett, Rose and Kruger before he settled on this guy it makes his claim pathetically amusing.

    I for one would like to see some honesty from these guys. Tell it to us like it really is rather than lie just to save face.

    I know that is wishful thinking on my part but I still would like to see it some day.

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    April 5, 2011 10:13 a.m.

    since we're going way back we should bring up football. National Champions has a nice ring to it don't you think? Er, maybe not, bridesmaids never are really happy about anyting.

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    April 5, 2011 10:09 a.m.


    Surely you're not one of those many utes(notice, for your sake I didt say all you utes) who gets bent out of shape BYU fans live in the past right?

    If past accolades in sports don't matter, dont bring up past failures(and yes a 1 win season is as laughable as it gets). If past accolades do matter, don't whine and throw a temper tantrum next time BYU fans bring up past successes.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    April 5, 2011 10:06 a.m.


    what's even more funny, is the mighty Utes have had as many losing seasons in the last 6 years as BYU has had in the last 22 years.

    In fact, BYU has only had 5 losing seasons in the last 30 years.
    The Utes have had 8 losing seasons in the same period.

    Utah fans have selective memories when it comes to Utah losing.

    Within 4 years of that 1-25 season, BYU won the MWC championship and was back in the NCAA tournament?

    How long will it take U to go from 12-18, to winning the PAC 12 championship and returning to the NCAA tournament? With all of those Top 100 recruits flocking to Utah, it should only take a year or two.

    btw, BYU has won 9 of the last 10 versus Utah, and now leads the overall BYU-Utah series.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    April 5, 2011 9:24 a.m.


    that's funny, I've never heard that one before. You know what else is funny? BYU has as many sweet 16 runs in the past 25 years as they do 1 win seasons.

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    April 5, 2011 9:07 a.m.

    I didn't realize the Utes had a basketball team, nice.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    April 5, 2011 8:57 a.m.

    @ Truth Machine

    Desperate times calls for desperate measures. Allow bigutefan to express his wish. I don't think there's any harm in it, unless of course there's a slight possibility that Brandon might do it. In that case, I would be very surprised.

    Go Cougs! And good luck to Coach K too and the Utes as they rebuild their program. I sure would love to see them make some noise in the Pac 12. It will not reflect well on BYU, the MWC, and the state of Utah sports if they get there and flop badly. May they return to their glory days very soon. And may the Cougs make it to Final Four and the NC some day soon too. Let's keep hope alive!

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2011 8:18 a.m.


    What makes you think Brandon has any interest in playing for an unproven coach in a program that will be lucky to finish above .500 next season?

    First U want our coach. Then U want our players.

    I thought the mighty PAC 12 Utes were supposed to be able to get any coach they wanted and elite recruits were supposed to be flocking to the program.

    Why would U covet a player who played acress the street from BYU in Provo?

  • bigutefan Las Vegas, NV
    April 5, 2011 1:45 a.m.

    Congrats to Coach K, I have hope again.

    Now go make sure Clyburn and Co. are returning, then dump DiMaria and go get Brandon Davies.

    Go Utes!