Alrighty then coach. Lets win some games! Go Utes!Sportsfan, you
seem caught up on semantics (national championship vs NCAA championship) and are
looking to discredit the 1944 Utah team. Why?Fact: Utah won the NCAA
championship in 1944. They then went on to be St. John's (the winner of the NIT)
in MSG, and riddle me this: at that time how does a post-season
"exhibition" game in the NIT champ's back yard differ from the
exhibition games played during the NIT? Yes, Kentucky beat Utah in the first
round of the 1944 NIT, but the Wildcats did not win the NIT. So who, then was
the best team of 1944? Perhaps you'd prefer to put it to a vote? After all
that's how BYU won't their football NCAA championship. And whether the Cougs
were actually better than the Sooners that year is debatable. Doen't matter,
1984 belongs to the Y. 1944 basketball belongs to the U.Utah, NCAA
champions 67 years ago. Get over it.Uteanymous @ 5:46 p.m."Job offered to Dave Rose - rejected....Job offered to Dave Rice -
rejected"Don't you just love made up facts...
Dave SIf you really believe Krystkowiak was on the list of "big
name" coaches Chris Hill had in mind when he fired Boylen, then you're
really drinking the red koolaid.
@Uteanymous: Where are you getting your facts from? You better check your
sources a little better on who the Utes actually offered the job to. The only
one that they publicly chased was Bennett and he did reject the job. The others
were pure speculation and nothing more!!
Good luck Coach K.2 leading the Utes in the PAC 10.2. There will always only be
one Coach K.
Why is Rock writing something positive about the U. and its new coach?? Maybe
the local media is finally getting over the sting of Utah ascending to the PAC.
I welcome and encourage local media folks to embrace Utah's move to
the big time...
The way it went down is simple:Job offered to Dave Rose -
rejectedJob offered to Randy Bennett - rejectedJob
offered to Lon Kruger - rejectedJob offered to Mark Gottfried -
rejectedJob offered to Dave Rice - rejectedJob offered
to Larry Krystkowiak - whew, somebody finally accepted!Wahoo! This
was our guy all along!Isn't it strange how not a single Utah fan was
talking about Larry Krystkowiak three weeks ago after Boylen was fired.The "we're getting better" saga continues...
Dutchman No omission; it was an EXHIBITION game won by a team that
beaten soundly by Kentucky in the first round of the NIT.Oh, but I
did leave out that the 1944 tournaments were played during the middle of World
War II when only a handful of teams were still playing basketball, and the few
teams left were composed mostly of freshmen and sophomores because almost all of
the upper-classmen were busy fighting a world war.Utah didn't win a
single conference game in 1944 and only won three non-conference games.
skippythat's the million dollar question. I honestly think there
are about 4 people in this world who know how this went down, and none of them
post on here.
SportsFan,Since you know so much about basketball and the 1944 NCAA
championship game, I was surprised when you made one glaring omission. You
didn't mention that the NCAA champ Utah played the NIT champ in a benefit game
in Madison Square Garden before 17,000 fans. It was touted as the National
Championship game by all the east coast media. The coaches and players
certainly believed it was the game for the national title. The 17,000 fans who
paid to see the game believed it was the title game also, similar to a BCS
National Championship Bowl Game today. Utah won.
I am very impressed by all the facts from both BYU and UTAH fans. The one fact I
want proof of is who really was talked to about the coaching job seriously and
who was really offered the job and turned it down. Most talk is just writers
trying to get some attention. For those who "know" Hill talked to
Rose, do you think maybe, just maybe he was trying to get some imput on other
coaches to look at? You would have to be a little crazy (like hedgie)to even
think Hill would really ask Rose to Coach at Utah. Rose is a great coach but he
is not going to move to the U. If he were to move it would be out of Utah.
Swoop,I've explained myself. I'm sorry you don't understand the
points I am trying to make. I feel I've explained them well, but you are going
to interpret it as you will. Go ahead, feel good about your
program. You should, BYU is a very good program. But I hope you can accept the
fact that I feel very good about my program, and am proud of the history of
University of Utah sports.
Laser nailed it in his/her comment.Rock is just filibustering again. I
hope Krystco does well...I like the guy...but he was NOT the first choice and it
will be interesting to see how many players (if any) jump from the
"Titanic" on the Hill.
pocyUteapples and oranges comparisonsYou're trying to
tell us that an "Elite Eight" in the 1940's, when there were only
EIGHT teams in the entire tournament is equivalent to an Elite Eight since the
tournament expanded to 64 teams?Get real.And that 1944
"national championship"?Are you aware that Utah only won
three regular season games in 1944, and then promptly lost to Kentucky in the
opening round of the NIT?To claim a national championship for
winning the NCAA in 1944, would be like claiming a national championship for
winning the NIT in 2011.
BYU and Utah both had really good team back in the 40's and 50's. Util 1955 the NIT was more better tournament, paid better and had the better
teams. Utah winning the NIT in 1947 and BYU winning the NIT in 1951 show
how great they were. BYU second NIT championship does not mean as
much. Just like Utahs 1944 NCAA tournament championship was against good teams,
but not the best teams.
How do the comments in response to an article about Utah's new coach deteriorate
into an argument about who between Utah and BYU has the best program?I don't particulary agree that Coach K has solid credentials, but I hope he
backs up what he said yesterday.
Lot of funny spins here not only in the article but on the comments. Rock
already is trying to create an image for the coach. Wow, power of the press.
Truth is jr. wasn't the guy on the top of the list and Utah got turned down more
than once. Add to the fact that the players aren't excited and neither are the
fans (faux/pseudo excitement).I hope this gentleman succeeds but to
ignore the dissapointment on the hill is hillarious.
This guy does have a great resume. Heaven knows he has really "filled it
up" over the past few years!Utah fans like to boast about their
"national" basketball program. Give me a break. Butler has a higher
profile program that the U. And what about UConn and their 3rd (yup, THIRD)
national title??? Now that is a real "national" program.There are a whole slew of teams that are mentioned as a basketball power
before the University of Utah even comes up, i.e San Diego, UNLV, Gonzaga, Utah
State, New Mexico, Saint Mary's, Arizona and yes, even BYU - just to name a few
regional programs.What Utah fans fail to realize is that it is all
about what you have done lately, not 70 years ago!
sportsfan,If you are going to play the NIT>NCAA card then you
have completely omitted utah's '47 NIT championship, either way a national
championship.Who care's how many games they needed to get there, I
don't see BYU there, so they must have done something to earn it.Cordonbleu, Your statement "Sweet Sixteen is meaningless unless you
had to win at least two games to get there," is the exact kind of argument
I was referring to. Who are you to say what is meaningless and what isn't? One
could say that unless you had to play a equally ranked opponent, instead of a
6-6 one, a football national championship is meaningless.That's the
point I was making to Ted. People from both sides want so hard to disparage the
other team that they will set up artificial criteria that promotes their
pocyUteYou're showing your desperation by going back to the early
days of the NCAA tournament to pad your "Sweet Sixteen" stats. Sweet
Sixteen is meaningless unless you had to win at least two games to get there.
pocyUteUtah didn't win the national championship in 1944, the Utes
won the NCAA tournament, which was the consolation tournament to the NIT.In fact, the Utes turned down their initial invitation to the NCAA, to
play in the NIT, because the NIT was the most prestigious tournament of the day.
(The reverse of the NCAA/NIT today.)And, you completely omitted
BYU's 1951 and 1966 NIT tournament championships and the fact that in most of
Utah's early Sweet Sixteen, Elite Eight, and Final Four appearances, the Utes
were seeded into those positions or only had to win one or two games to get
there.BYU's 2011 Sweet Sixteen team won just as many NCAA tournament
games as Utah's 1966 Final Four team.Utah's basketball heyday ended
with the WAC. BYU's record during the MWC era is much better.As far
as football:BYU - 1 National Championship, 17 Top 25 Finishes, 1
Heisman Trophy, 15 National Individual Awards, 7 College Football Hall of Fame
(6 players)Utah - 0 National Championships, 5 Top 25 Finishes, 0
Heisman Trophies, 0 National Individual Awards, 1 College Football Hall of Fame
busters:yep you're right, utah does have 8 losing seasons in that
time frame, but they also 7 sweet 16s. But why stop at 30, let's go 75 years
and tally up BYUs 17 losing seasons and grand total of 5 sweet 16s to Utah's 11
losing seasons and 13 sweet sixteens and national championship.Ted:The past is just as valid as the present. My only problem with
going to the past is when people are selective about the time periods they wish
to refer too. For instance, many Utah fans use the 90's for basketball and this
past decade for football to support their arguments. Likewise, many BYU fans
cite 1984 and the surrounding 5-7 years as the only credible time period for
football reference.plyxply:Yes, national champions has a nice
ring to it, see my response to busters.
This may turn out to be a good hire and Krystco may turn out to be an excellent
coach but hills assertion that there were multiple equations and not a list is
laughable. I understand he is trying to save face and I understand he is trying
to make it seem as if he got the guy he wanted all along but seeing as we all
know he wanted Bennett, Rose and Kruger before he settled on this guy it makes
his claim pathetically amusing. I for one would like to see some
honesty from these guys. Tell it to us like it really is rather than lie just to
save face. I know that is wishful thinking on my part but I still
would like to see it some day.
since we're going way back we should bring up football. National Champions has
a nice ring to it don't you think? Er, maybe not, bridesmaids never are really
happy about anyting.
poky,Surely you're not one of those many utes(notice, for your sake
I didt say all you utes) who gets bent out of shape BYU fans live in the past
right?If past accolades in sports don't matter, dont bring up past
failures(and yes a 1 win season is as laughable as it gets). If past accolades
do matter, don't whine and throw a temper tantrum next time BYU fans bring up
pocyUtewhat's even more funny, is the mighty Utes have had as many
losing seasons in the last 6 years as BYU has had in the last 22 years.In fact, BYU has only had 5 losing seasons in the last 30 years.The Utes
have had 8 losing seasons in the same period.Utah fans have
selective memories when it comes to Utah losing.Within 4 years of
that 1-25 season, BYU won the MWC championship and was back in the NCAA
tournament?How long will it take U to go from 12-18, to winning the
PAC 12 championship and returning to the NCAA tournament? With all of those Top
100 recruits flocking to Utah, it should only take a year or two.btw, BYU has won 9 of the last 10 versus Utah, and now leads the overall
plyxplythat's funny, I've never heard that one before. You know
what else is funny? BYU has as many sweet 16 runs in the past 25 years as they
do 1 win seasons.
I didn't realize the Utes had a basketball team, nice.
@ Truth MachineDesperate times calls for desperate measures. Allow
bigutefan to express his wish. I don't think there's any harm in it, unless of
course there's a slight possibility that Brandon might do it. In that case, I
would be very surprised.Go Cougs! And good luck to Coach K too and
the Utes as they rebuild their program. I sure would love to see them make some
noise in the Pac 12. It will not reflect well on BYU, the MWC, and the state of
Utah sports if they get there and flop badly. May they return to their glory
days very soon. And may the Cougs make it to Final Four and the NC some day
soon too. Let's keep hope alive!
bigutefanWhat makes you think Brandon has any interest in playing
for an unproven coach in a program that will be lucky to finish above .500 next
season?First U want our coach. Then U want our players.I
thought the mighty PAC 12 Utes were supposed to be able to get any coach they
wanted and elite recruits were supposed to be flocking to the program.Why would U covet a player who played acress the street from BYU in Provo?
Congrats to Coach K, I have hope again.Now go make sure Clyburn and
Co. are returning, then dump DiMaria and go get Brandon Davies.Go