Brad Rock: Football driving the bus, even in U. hoops search

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  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 5, 2011 11:59 p.m.


    I have no problem with BYU's independence in football. I have stated several times in comments on other articles that BYU took the best option available to them. I wish BYU well and think they will do well as an independent.

    I have also stated just as often that the U couldn't make it as an independent. We don't have the national fan base to make that happen. That is the key and common factor amongst all the major independent programs. So for us, affiliation with a bigger conference was the best route to give our teams, students and fans the best opportunities.

    Each athletic program went the direction that was best for it. It is frustrating to see so many fans on both sides argue about which school made the better choice or got the better deal when in reality both schools got what was best for them.

  • MichiganCoog Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 5, 2011 5:25 p.m.

    Mormon Ute,

    This BYU fan could care less about joining a liberal bunch of big-heads that think they are better than everyone else (i.e. PAC10 presidents and such). Even if BYU were invited, I believe (right, wrong or indifferent)the Brethren of the LDS church would have rejected the notion in leau of all the proposition 8 flack we've rec'd since then. And, being that that was underlying reason that no offer was extended to BYU from the Left-coast, BYU did the only thing they could, and chose Independance, rather than let the MWC drain BYU wallets.

    Have a great experience in the PAC12, we'll enjoy ours in Independance, keeping all of our proceeds from the TV deals and such. Is it any wonder why Notre Dame keeps thumbing their noses at the BIG10? Yes, BYU is not even close to Notre Dames level, but give it a few years (with success of course) and BYU will also reach that kind of level. Talking w/ a cashier in South Bend at the College Football Hall recently, he stated that BYU will do fine, and is glad to have us join them in Independance!!!

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 5, 2011 11:10 a.m.


    You have to admit the WCC was not the first choice. That is so widely known, if you deny it you will be seriously damaging your credibility. The WCC doesn't have swimming, track and field, or softball. So what about those sports? BYU does participate in them in the MWC so what will now happen to those sports.

    It is frustrating to deal with so many BYU fans who a few years ago were salavating over the opportunity to get into the PAC-10 and now are so critical of Utah's move to that conference. Don't punish us for your frustration at not getting invited or our acceptance of the invitation BYU would have taken, if it had come.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 4, 2011 6:40 p.m.

    @mormon ute

    Baseball for one. The WCC has several teams that are routniely top 25 teams. Womens soccer as well is a better conference than the mwc. Mens golf is another the wcc is better in. There are others as well plus many of them are equivalents. The only sport that you can say took an actual downgrade is mens basketball. The MWC is a better conference in mens basketball although in womens they are about on par.

    Really the whole tired assertion that BYU has thrown its other sports under the bus for the sake of football is false. Most are equivalent to where they were, a few upgraded and only one took a downgrade.

    But in the case of utah there is no doubt the other sports are going to be scarificed. Outside of womens gymnastics no other sport at utah is better than average. They are now going to a conference that prides itself on the 'other' sports and they are going to get waxed, regularly.

    I would contend that is where the sacrificing of all other sports for the hope of bettering one really occured.

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 4, 2011 10:21 a.m.

    "I hear Bozo the Clown needs a job!!....Utah and clowns go very good together."

    Bozo would require more than Utah can pay, I'm sure if we need a clown you would be available for a lot less!!

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 4, 2011 10:19 a.m.


    No, you are all about speculation. My point is simply you might want to be careful before you laugh too hard. BYU is entering just as much unchartered territory as Utah and the risks are huge. As much as you talk about Utah losing football players, how many coaches did BYU hire? How many of them are brand new to their coaching positions? With at least one taking his very first coaching job. I can sit here all day and point out weaknesses and downsides to BYU's future in a number of sports. The problem is that doesn't help the Utes or bring me any joy. That only tears down somebody else and that's just not sportsmanlike.

  • MichiganCoog Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 3, 2011 9:24 p.m.

    Mormon Ute,

    Sorry to ruffle your feathers dude, I am just stating simple facts. Utah's b-ball program is a disaster, BYU's just finished it best season ever, and Jimmer just landed yet another POY award to his growing cashe of awards. I hate to sound big-headed, but I am simply stating facts. Add Football to equation, BYU's program had a disaster year last year starting 1-4 w/ a Freshman and sophmore dominated squad, that finished on a high note. Yes, one could say that it was against inferior competition, but so was Utah's in their first 6 games to start out 8-0, but stumbled and bumbled their way to a 10-3 record, then lost everyone of their noteworthy skill and line players on both side of the ball. BYU's? All return except for 3 DB's in the secondary, and 10 of 11 starters on offense. And you say I am lost? I am simply stating that BYU's future is much brighter for the next 3 years on both the hardwoods and gridiron, and UTAH's is rebuilding...I like BYU's future much better for obvious reasons!

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 3, 2011 9:22 p.m.


    Please tell me which of BYU's other sports got an upgrade and how. What I view as an upgrade is better competition, better opportunities for post season play, better TV exposure, more money to fund facilities. I see all of those for virtually every sport at the U with the move to the PAC-12. For BYU, going to the WCC I don't see them getting any of that in any sport. Please explain.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 3, 2011 8:30 p.m.

    Thanks again pebbles! LOL

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 3, 2011 8:02 p.m.

    Veritas Aequitas | 4:28 p.m. April 3, 2011

    "Football is not driving the bus, but Hill, essentually with this hire, just threw basketball under the bus"

    You know that is an excellent point and one I have thought about myself. certain ute "fans" on here like to say BYU threw their other sports under the bus, falsely, in favor of football but the truth is utah did a much worse thing to all of their other sports. They elect to go to the pac10 basicly because of football but none of their other sports is really even competitive in the mwc so by going to a conference that is supposedly much better, especially in the "olympic" sports, they are more or less dooming every one of those other sports to even greater mediocrity.

    Now they are building a new football complex, and it is needed, and basicly ignoring the glaring infrastructure needs of the basketball team.

    Of course I understand why they did it, the pac10 came calling so they went, but the honest ute fans know that their other sports were hung out to dry much moreso than BYU's. Some of BYU's actually got an upgrade.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    April 3, 2011 7:57 p.m.

    Lil Ducky you're a hoot, though you and only you think you are with all your LOL at your keyboard; a bit strange I would say. Now, why don't quit being a troll on every Utah article and try to get some class.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 3, 2011 5:10 p.m.


    Utah's heyday in basketball ended in the WAC. BYU's record during the MWC era is much better overall and in conference.

    In football, Utah still lags far behind BYU in the true measures of success at the national level - Top 25 finishes, national individual awards, and of course, national championships.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 3, 2011 4:46 p.m.

    Another gem pebbles! LOL

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    April 3, 2011 4:28 p.m.

    Rock Of The Marne | 1:17 p.m. April 3, 2011
    Phoenix, AZ

    Rip on Utah Basketball all you want but Utah still has an overall better record and far better post season list of accomplishments compared to your beloved Y.


    Rock, that and two free tickets the kids were giving away at the Gateway, will get you and a date into the HC...

    This was a poor hire by Hill.

    Football is not driving the bus, but Hill, essentually with this hire, just threw basketball under the bus.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    April 3, 2011 1:17 p.m.

    Boy the BYU trolls are out in spades showing their obsession for all things Utah (I counted 8 disparaging comments from different Y trolls). You guys are the biggest hypocrites around; whining when a couple of Utah fans come and make posts on your team's threads but yet like a moth to a flame you leave your hateful drivel at every opportunity regarding Utah; classless you are. Rip on Utah Basketball all you want but Utah still has an overall better record and far better post season list of accomplishments compared to your beloved Y; yet I know those facts really don't matter to haters such as you.

  • MichiganCoog Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 3, 2011 1:07 p.m.


    For once you've made a meaningful comment, perhaps your best in months...and it only took one very descriptive word to define the state of UofU athletics...

    In all seriousness, hopefully (for the sake of Utah Basketball and its' future in general), Mr. K can turn things around under the silver dome, or Dr. Hill could be writing his own resignation letter next, after spending millions in cash on the last two duds that have attempted to get the Ute b-ball program jump-started.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 3, 2011 12:55 p.m.


    It is you who needs to take a reality check. Neither Utah nor BYU has played a single game outside their MWC affiliation. Let's wait and see before we brand either direction a failure. The bottom line is both schools took the best option available to them and the U will be far better off down the road going to the PAC-12 than we would have been staying in the MWC. Just like BYU will likely be far better off independent in football.

    One interesting point that all you BYU fans are missing as you jump to laugh and criticize what is happening at the U. In this article Brad Rock could have just as easily said all of these same things about BYU. At BYU, basketball and all the other sports are now taking a big step downward to facilitate the move to independence for football. So BYU's motivation and actions are not that different from the U.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 3, 2011 12:47 p.m.

    Rock hit it on the head. This may be an interim hire for the basketball program. If Larry K. pans out, he'll likely get a raise in 3 or 4 years when the U gets full revenue sharing. If he doesn't pan out, look for the U to be in the market for another coach then and they will be offering that $2 million.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    April 3, 2011 11:51 a.m.

    Henry Drummond | 10:09 a.m. April 3, 2011
    San Jose, CA

    Now that Utah is in the PAC-12 my guess is that a top coach like Larry Krystkowiak will now be willing to accept their offer.

    The same guy they turned down in favor of Boylen when Utah was in the MWC? The same guy who has been fired since? The guy who works out for two years, then get's fired? Who was willing to accept their offer three years ago?

    That top coach?

    Lucky Utah is in the PAC. Everything has changed.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    April 3, 2011 10:09 a.m.

    I think you'll find that big name coaches get money from a variety of sources including well heeled boosters. Coaches want more than the money. They want the environment they can compete in. Now that Utah is in the PAC-12 my guess is that a top coach like Larry Krystkowiak will now be willing to accept their offer.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    April 3, 2011 8:52 a.m.

    I like the new hire. New coach K should be able to retain Washburn, O'Brien, and Clyborn. The Utes will be alright next year. Enough to make it to the NCAA tourney? I don't know. But it's a good move and it's over.

  • bulldog72 Holladay, UT
    April 3, 2011 8:22 a.m.

    So, you are complaining because money that football brings in is being used for football rather than for overpaying for a basketball coach? Let me guess, you think socialized medicine is a good idea and can't understand why hard-working Americans don't like the idea of giving up their paycheck to pay for everybody else, too.

  • MichiganCoog Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 3, 2011 7:37 a.m.

    Perhaps its time that the Utah administration and fanbase take a long look in the mirror, and admit to themselves that Utah's sports programs are just not as great as they think they are, and settle for the first guy that has a heart beat, and willing to take a much smaller paycheck than the big boys can offer.

    Wake up boys on the hill, joining the PAC10 conference isn't paying the dividens like you least not at the moment, or maybe never. Ask Washington State and Oregon State...they've been in that conference for 50 plus years, and nobody is knocking down the doors to get those jobs...neither is anyone willing to go to Utah's basketball program either for one reason...who wants to? And, who even cares outside of SLC? It has been in shambles since the fat man left, and probably 5-10 years away from the success that it craves. Then, once the Football program takes a nose-dive out of the gate next fall w/ the green offense and new everything, Dr. Hill is going to have to go after the tax-payers for help...ouch!

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    April 3, 2011 6:47 a.m.

    Rock ...Just like in horse racing... and Utah's search for a new coach. There is an extreme difference between taking your time finding a good Jockey to ride a great horse with a great record... and desperately seeking to find someone willing to go take the saddle and reins off of a horse that just expired and died on the track without even crossing the finish line. That vancancy shingle is going to be hanging out there for a while. Maybe even til even after the first couple of Utah Football games...just to get a feel for how hostile the new frontier is actually going to be.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    April 3, 2011 6:29 a.m.

    The new coach will make a million dollars a year. Cry me a river. We are laying off teachers and everyone is struggling just to make ends meet. Please explain why we need $16 million for football facilities. Where are our priorities? I thought the U of U was an academic institution. Didn't I just read about tuition being raised. I wonder how much a top faculty member is being compensated. What a sad commentary on society when a B-Ball coach earns more than a PH.D from Harvard.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    April 3, 2011 5:33 a.m.

    Famed Coach Norm Chow?

    The guy who is with his 5th team in 10 years?

    The euphoria and arrogance of Ute fan sure has been subdued. Just can't see Utah competing at any level in the Pac-10.2

    BYU's in a much brighter spot.

    Nobody forces athletes to accept full ride scholarships, tuition, housing, books, meals...Poor babies....

  • Shamal Orlando, FL
    April 3, 2011 5:32 a.m.

    Those innovative Utes. Instead of paying two salaries for one HC, Utah opted to pay two salaries for none!

  • hedgelog Idaho Falls, ID
    April 3, 2011 3:56 a.m.


  • BlueSaint South Jordan, UT
    April 3, 2011 2:12 a.m.

    I hear Bozo the Clown needs a job!!....Utah and clowns go very good together.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    April 3, 2011 12:25 a.m.

    They appear to be on the edge of a cliff financially. They could be rescued or they could fall. Stay tuned.

  • Y4LYFE Lubbock, TX
    April 3, 2011 12:07 a.m.

    I like the rumored hire. The pattern may continue.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    April 3, 2011 12:07 a.m.

    "As head football coach Kyle Whittingham noted, "it's an arms race" when it comes to facilities."

    Whatever we do, lets not increase players' stipends.

    The NCAA is one of the most hypocritical institutions, ever. Gazzilions for facilities, for coach's salaries, etc., but the players get minimum. Equal opportunity exploitation.