View from the Booth: What Utes need most is a coach who consistently wins games

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  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 2, 2011 9:54 p.m.


    Nice try, but I don't think so. To most observers it indicates he is still a candidate and is probably waiting to see what the counter offer is from BYU before giving a definite answer to Chris Hill.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    April 1, 2011 9:29 p.m.

    In My Humble Opinion

    "The Utes are going from one of the (historically) best programs in the MWC/WAC to just "another" PAC 12 team."

    The Utes started the MWC era strong, but halfway through, it's like the program took a nose dive off a cliff, from which they've never recovered.

    BYU has been pulling farther and farther ahead of Utah every year since Dave Rose became BYU's head coach.

    That's why Huntsman and Eccles so desperately tried to pry Rose away from BYU.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    April 1, 2011 9:22 p.m.

    Mormon Ute

    Dave Rose met with Chris Hill, listened to his offer, then turned him down, just like he turned down Oklahoma.

    Why wasn't it announced in the media?

    Coach Rose was probably just helping Dr. Hill save face.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 1, 2011 7:54 p.m.


    It has been reported by at least one reputable source that Rose did talk with Chris Hill twice. Coach Rose has to know that has been reported. If he truly is not at all a candidate, he would have said so, just as he did with the Oklahoma job.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 1, 2011 7:49 p.m.


    I quoted this in a comment on another article: "BYU head coach Dave Rose - a source close to the basketball program has confirmed that Utah athletics director Chris Hill and Rose have met twice, but whether that was to discuss his potential interest in the job or to gain information on BYU assistant Dave Rice remains to be seen." It was written on BYU's flagship station's web site in an article about candidates for the Ute's job. I would think that is considered a reliable source by all BYU fans. So my questions remains, why hasn't he removed himself from the list?

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    April 1, 2011 4:24 p.m.

    To Mormon Ute: A better question would be, why would Dave Rose even consider stepping down to the Utah program? Yes, we all know that Utah is going to the PAC10 and that the everyone should stop what they're doing and bow to the West, but Dave Rose is riding a wave at BYU while the Utah program is gasping for air. With a great coach like Rose, it will still take years to repair the damage to that program. Is getting hammered by UCLA, USC, Stanford, Arizona and Washington and every non-conference opponent, including BYU, for the forseeable future something that Rose or any other successful coach would want?
    If Rose had a conversation with Hill, it was proabably about Dave Rice. Rice, as a non-Mormon who is very familiar with in-state recruiting, would be a nice fit at Utah. Unfortunately, Dr. Hill is more interested in public relations right now than in hiring a great coach like Dave Rice. Good luck with that.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 1, 2011 1:58 p.m.

    "I keep asking this question, but nobody is answering. Why hasn't Coach Rose taken his name out of the running for the Utah job?"

    Ute... How about the other side of the coin. Do you have any confirmed sources that prove that Coach Rose actually talked to Dr. Hill??? None on the DNews sports pages and you would think that news like that would make it here.

    Seems to me that too many people are relying on hedgie for the 'news'.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 1, 2011 12:57 p.m.

    I keep asking this question, but nobody is answering. Why hasn't Coach Rose taken his name out of the running for the Utah job?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 1, 2011 10:16 a.m.

    A relevent quote from a resident ute "fan".

    "There is no doubt that at the end of the day dr. chris hill will get whoever he wants."


  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    April 1, 2011 8:56 a.m.

    A Basketball Coachs Proverb

    There was a story on the news last night showing life imitating an old children's riddle. It seems that a truck got stuck at the entrance to the Holland Tunnel. Too high for the clearance. Well, for hours, the experts tried to find some way to unwedge the vehicle, but to no avail. Finally, a ten-year-old girl in a passing car suggested simply letting the air out of the truck's tires, thus lowering it to the clearance level, which they did. And it worked. Well, by letting some of the air out of Utah's strategy to hire a big name basketball coach, Dr. Hill could effectively find the light at the end of Utah's proverbial coaching tunnel.

    Its time for Dr. Hill to stop searching for a name instead of a coach.

    Hire Tommy Connor.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    March 31, 2011 8:44 p.m.

    Dave Rose was a high school coach at Millard High and Pine View before he became an assistant and then head coach at Dixie. He was an assistant at BYU for eight years before getting his chance and now he is in the running for national coach of the year. Sometimes, it is worth taking a chance on comeone who hasn't already made the big name and big salary. Ute fans seem to be so caught up in this PAC12 eupohoria, that they don't want to even consider hiring a coach who doesn't have that big name. You could do worse than hiring Tommy Connor. I think that, given the chance, he could be another Dave Rose. The same could be said for Jeff Judkins but he probably wouldn't leave BYU for the same reasons that Rose won't. As a BYU fan, I hope Utah finds the right coach and is very successful in their new conference. It will make beating them that much sweeter.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    March 31, 2011 8:20 p.m.

    The U has had coaches that consistently win games 10 or so a year.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    March 31, 2011 5:14 p.m.

    Let's see.

    - The Utes are going from one of the (historically) best programs in the MWC/WAC to just "another" PAC 12 team. A prospect interested in winning might pause before committing.

    - No current recruit is able to remember the 1990's

    - The population in Utah is a fraction of what it is in every PAC 12 home except Washington State, so the local bases is less than its rivals -- the opposite of the mix in the MWC.

    - They will be playing on Sundays, which may discourage one of the Utes' historically fertile recruiting bases: Utah kids who are LDS. Even though many of the Utes' best players haven't been LDS, some have, and many have filled the roster.

    Personally, I'm curious as to how this PAC 12 thing is going to work out for the Utes. Now if Dr. Hill has a shot at the VCU or Butler coaches, good for him. Otherwise it seems odd there is no word.

  • CA. reader Rocklin, CA
    March 31, 2011 3:24 p.m.

    If you folks don't get a coach that is willing to buy into the LDS connection to Utah sports in general, it will a tough go for him, because I don't think the PAC 12 thing is going to be an automatic draw for 4 and 5 star players.

    As a BYU fan I enjoy the anticipation of a game in any sport that I know we will win beforehand, but playing Utah has become a little embarrassing, big rivalry notwithstanding.

    Good luck in your search.

  • bballjunkie Cedar Hills, UT
    March 31, 2011 2:59 p.m.

    People relax, the U has only been turned down by a hand full of coaches, they still have sevral other to reject the greatest job in the NCAA.

    Before we hear from Hill and the rest of the Ute fans telling us they got the one the wanted from the beggining.

    I am still not convinced Rice wants to touch it either. LOL

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 31, 2011 1:01 p.m.

    @mormon ute

    I'm really not all that concerned about it.

  • Blue Coug Palo Alto, CA
    March 31, 2011 12:37 p.m.

    Mormon Ute

    Wishful thinking.

    Dave Rose already has his new BYU contract in hand and he and his attorney are currently reviewing the details before signing it. It's doubtful he gave that much thought to turning down a $1.7 million/year offer from Oklahoma, and whatever Utah could offer in terms of money and prestige pales in comparison to Oklahoma.

    Dave Rice might be a possibility, but you can forget Rose. It's not happening.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    March 31, 2011 12:04 p.m.

    Duckhunter & sammyb,

    The flagship station of BYU sports is reporting the Dave Rose met twice with Chris Hill. They cannot confirm if they were discussing Coach Rose's future or Dave Rice, but the fact remains that neither Coach Rose nor Chris Hill have removed Rose's name from the list of candidates. Until they do he is at the top of my list.

    Come on over Coach Rose. You'll look good in red.

  • VegasBart N. Las Vegas, NV
    March 31, 2011 10:26 a.m.

    He reportedly also turned down overtures from Oklahoma and North Carolina State.

  • VegasBart N. Las Vegas, NV
    March 31, 2011 10:25 a.m.

    As reported in Thursdays Las Vegas newspapers, Coach Kruger of UNLV has been approached by Utah this past week, and he turned them down.

  • Th Tooele, UT
    March 31, 2011 10:21 a.m.

    By the way Riles....

    If what you said were true when speaking with one of your guests on the show yesterday about Utah losing two blue chip recruits one of which went to North Carolina, and the other to USC because there wasn't a coach at Utah currently, then Chris Hill needs to make up his mind.

    Larry K, or Gottfried sound like decent fits either way. I like Gottfrieds experience but Krystko's upside. Either way, Hill needs to get this baby done. Tyrell Corbin is a great player here in the state. He's interested in Utah but will ultimately go somewhere else. Utah needs players like Corbin who are highly talented and local.

    Get it done Hill.

    Go Ute's

  • Th Tooele, UT
    March 31, 2011 10:16 a.m.

    I agree with you that winning would begin to fill the HC, but in order to win, you have to recruit. I heard Boylen on many occassions claim Utah had its best recruiting class ever from him but the results never panned out including the appearance of anything with much talent. Utah does have some talent now in O'Brien, and Clyburn, but everyone else are bench to semi-role players. Jiggy is terrible for running the point unless he's running the "And-1" team. Moreover, Utah has had no evidence since Nevill left of any type of offense. Utah's lack of a true point gaurd has killed them!

    Another point, Boylen drove me crazy in his tactics. Yes he went to public events such as Utah football games. The problem with his speech is he sounded more like a pro wrestler telling his opponent he was going to crush his skull. With Boylen, the program was about HIM! Nothing else.... When asked about the program last year, he said it was his program bla bla bla!

    The man couldn't recruit! This paired with his lousy tactics killed Utah hoops!

  • JustAnotherName Alpine, UT
    March 31, 2011 10:10 a.m.

    Utah has tradition. Utah has Pac-12 affiliation. So, why is Utah basketball become such an afterthought?
    No discussion nationally about the coaching vacancy.
    No interest from established coaches to even interview for the position.
    No fan interest or attendance.
    No local (Utah) players on the team.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    March 31, 2011 9:37 a.m.

    Gee, an article that fails to mention Dave Rose coming to Utah. Read 'em and weep... hedgie.

    Hope the coaching problem is alleviated soon. Utes need to get back to business for the PAC-10.2

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 31, 2011 9:21 a.m.

    riley this is probaqbly the 1st time I have ever agreed with you. Normally your over the top homerism clouds your thought process but in this case you are correct.

    utah needs a coach that will win games. With the tenuous, at best, utah fanbase anything less than winning, alot, and the fans simply abandon the program. Hills focus should be purely on getting a guy who is capable of rebuilding utah into a winner.

    It is pretty obvious at this point that he will need to take a risk with an up and comer to do that because established coaches, like Coach Rose and Coach Bennett, just keep turning him down. He needs to be able to see in his mind that the utah job is currently not considered to be that great of a job and he is not going to get a guy that has it going on somewhere else.

  • I Will Be Till I Die Holladay, UT
    March 31, 2011 9:01 a.m.

    Ya Riles, we hear all the buzz about Krystkowiak too, but what makes me scratch my head a bit is why there isn't more buzz about Tommy Connor. What does Dr. Hill have against him? He's well-connected to the program, has been a successful head coach (granted, NAIA is not D-1, but a bunch of others have made that leap...) and knows the local ropes as well as or better than Larry K and far better than Mark Gottfried. I'd hire Connor in a heartbeat!

  • Naked Truth Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 31, 2011 8:56 a.m.

    I'm afraid that too many, like Bill Riley, believe the Utah Head Coach position is a marquee job where it isn't. It's not in the eyes of most of the country. Is that why it's taking Hill so long to find a replacement? Because he expects marquee coaches to be banging down his door to interview? Just the other day on the Dan Patrick show, Dan was talking about the college basketball head coaching carousel and the Utah job didn't even come up. He mentioned all the major openings still out there, even Dayton, but not Utah.

  • mamalongarms Salt Lake City, UT
    March 31, 2011 8:36 a.m.

    bigutefan, please do not speak for us when you say that "we are all extremely happy" about Coach Boylen being fired because we're not. You were just out for him from the start. Your whole post is drenched with negativity about Boylen. He is gone thanks to fans like you, put it behind you and stop kicking the man while he's down.
    Also, how in any way can you say he doesn't interact with his players. Were you there at every practice, every team meeting, etc? I think not. Coach Boylen was aware of all his guys and their needs.

    As far as the new coaching goes, winning would be great but we'll need someone who can persuade the guys to stay in the first place or there will be no winning happening soon, which is the exact reason why Boylen was fired. Impatient Ute fans who asked for Boylen's head might be given a taste of their own medicine.

  • robboyd Bountiful, UT
    March 31, 2011 8:25 a.m.

    Bill Riley is right on the money! Players do win games; however, they do so with leadership, skills, discipline, and sound fundamentals. Good team leadership and good players must have good coaching as their foundation. Sure the coach ideally should be a role model for his kids. But, ultimately winning puts fans into the seats, the school on the sports map, and the coaching staff in a position to recruit more good players into the program year after year. While we all may have our own altruistic views of what college basketball or sports ought to be about, winning is what makes boosters and fans happy and allows athletic directors to sleep at night. That's the real world!

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    March 31, 2011 8:15 a.m.

    "What Utes need most is a coach who consistently wins games."

    No kidding?

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    March 31, 2011 8:02 a.m.

    I agree with Riley.....and we think Roger Reid is your man!

  • samuel h wiscomb Sun Lakes, AZ
    March 31, 2011 12:02 a.m.

    Dear Mr Riley, May I remind you, Coaches don't win games. The players do.

  • bigutefan Las Vegas, NV
    March 30, 2011 11:30 p.m.

    We know you liked Boylen, and yes he was excited about his job. But the problem is he did not have the social skills to sell the program, to interact with players, and assure fans that their was any knowledge in that head. So I agree, winning is going to solve many problems, but you still need a coach that acts like a professional on the sidelines rather than a gorilla. A coach that when they speak, everyone doesn't cringe. A coach who can teach skill development. Utah needs winning and a coach to excite the fan base. Boylen is gone, and we are all extremely happy about it. The voice of the Utes should be too.

  • Justin Caplin Provo, UT
    March 30, 2011 11:21 p.m.

    Ok, fine, I'll take the job. And I'm happy with a modest salary of 75k for the first year. If we have a losing season, you can fire me. If we have a winning season, you can raise it to 100k. If I pull a VCU and make it to the final four, you can just give me a nice bonus along with the raise.

    I'm cheap and pretty good :)