Having had a few issues to read now, I appreciate the effort to create an
appealing product, but I'm sorry to say the new design falls short. Design is a
subjective matter of taste, of course, but the balance of text and white space
seems off to me and headlines seem harder to read (or am I aging?). Part of the
latter may be the narrower font. Especially in the short news items, where the
headlines are set in all caps, a narrow sans serif font is really hard to read
and discourages me from reading the article. Interesting how little style
choices like font and line spacing can evoke a visceral response in the
reader.Also, have submissions to the Public Forum fallen off, or is
three letters the new norm?
Comparing the changes in the Deseret News over the last decades is like
comparing the articles in the Ensign and other LDS Church publications in
2010-2011 to articles published in the 1980s and 1990s: Lots of color, big
fonts, lots of white space, short fluffy stories. In general, the writers must
expect the readers of today to be less intellectual than in years past.
It appears that Inquiring Mom is one of the few who dealt with the substance of
Gosh my first set comments were not approved and I didn't use bad language, caps
or name anybody specific.The D News is hardly liberal, although some
in Utah may not feel that it is conservative enough.I used to take
the D News and loved reading it. What disappoints me is that now with so many
of its professional reporters let go, the resulting effort has been less than
distinguished. Too often these "reporters" are have
significant biases that make what they write suspect. Instead we have corporate
and institutional opinion that is presented as news.
The new format (and contents) are very much like the ink smeared newsprint sold
at USA Today. Lots of color, big fonts, lots of white space, short fluffy
stories, and little real news beyond a few sound bites.That may be a
very trendy format popular with other newspapers, but they are mostly facing
declining circulation, and what they see as a solution may actually be
contributing to their demise.As for the USA Today- when I get one at
hotels in my travels, I do not even bother picking it up to toss it in the
trash.Please don't let the Deseret News become useless like USA
Today- return to solid reporting, insightful stories etc.Newspapers
can no longer compete as a source of timely "news" but can only
distinguish themselves from the broadcast media by delivering in depth content
beyond what is found in a radio newscast, or typical national 30 minute news
segment, or even on the cable news channels.
I have become a speed reader. Years ago it took a least an hour to read the
Deseret News. Now I can do it in ten minutes.
I've been exposed to the DNews my whole life, having grown up in Salt Lake. So
I, too, have nostalgic feelings for it. I'm surprised at the theme
in many of these comments. First off, it is a business like any under, forced to
adjust to a market that is not just different, it's a market that does not even
resemble what existed as recently as 15 years ago. Those in charge of making a
profit at the DNews MUST adjust and attempt to stay in front of market trends.
We can criticize their decisions, as many have, but we have an alternative: the
death of DNews. Which leads me to my second point: just because the
parent owner of the newspaper is the LDS Church does not remove it from normal
market realities. It is a for-profit business! Believe it or not, the LDS
Church's for-profit business are expected to make money, pay taxes, and operate
like any other for-profit corporation in this country. It is not an LDS Church
publication like the Church News. If it can't make a profit, it will go away.
I really enjoyed the new layout in today's print edition of the paper. It's a
refreshing change. I'm glad some of the columnists had updated photos--some of
the headshots seemed very dated. Overall, great job on the simple yet
Though I disagree that the DMN is "Liberal" in the least ... I also
don't think you can make the assumption that anybody who is taken aback by
liberal positions taken in DMN editorials... is only talking about Illegal
Immigration. They could be referring to other things. That's just one
hot-button topic. There are others.And we don't have to believe one
extreme or the other. It doesn't have to be either Amnesty OR Box Cars. There
is a lot of room in between.We need to quit just ASSUMING anybody
who doesn't agree with your position automatically believes the OPPOSITE
extreme. It's LAME!Comment on what people have ACTUALLY said... not
what you ASSUME they believe!Then... we can have a conversation that
makes some rational sense.
Are the same people calling the paper Liberal for editorial about supporting the
Utah Compact the liberalization of the paper? If so, then you are saying the
LDS Church First Presidency, who support the Utah Compact, are liberals. I
hardly think that is the case with either.
DonO,We have some boxcars. Is that really an option? Lets look into
I suspect the comment about the paper's liberalism comes from one of the
"put 'em on boxcars and ship 'em out" anti-immigration crowd. Anyone
who thinks the D News is "left-leaning" needs serious adjustment.
Further, you have to agree that the paper has never been anything more or less
than it has purported to be. Disagree with its editorial position(s)and/or its
new design if you wish but you'll always know where it's coming from. And that's
somewhat comforting...whether or not you agree with it.
To survive... the DMN (like every other company that wants to survive)... has to
learn to do more with less. They aren't like the government. They can't run a
deficit long term.JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt | 10:00 a.m. is
wrong... they DO have the same economic pressure as other businesses.These corporations are separate from the church (how they are incorporated,
funded, etc). They are prevented by law from receive tithing funds. Tithing
funds are totally separate from the corporate side of things. Just
like any other news company... The DNB has to make a profit, or be sold, or
liquidated. That's why they had the layoffs awhile back.Don't
worry... NONE of your tithing goes to the corporate side of things. And none of
the profits from these companies gets co-mingled with tithing or what tithing is
meant to be used for. They are by law totally separate (financially).
How about the Deseret News show commitment by hiring back all the people you let
go in this bad economy? I don't much care for the pretty talking
heads that contribute nothing to the newspaper itself. It is a poor excuse for
journalism when you use these TV sound bite people who scrape up just enough
info to sound like they know what they are talking about.
Contrary to the claims of some people I have not seen significant changes in the
content of the Deseret News over the last few months, other than a broadening of
the editorial views expressed.The creation of the faith section and
the family section are good innovations. Carol Makita, who used to work
exclusively with KSL, has provided excellent articles. Newspapers
need to change to survive. I would also point out that the Deseret News is not
in bankruptcy, unlike the other major newspaper published in Salt Lake City.
Lastly, the Deseret News is operated by the LDS Church as a for proffit
enterprise. If the Church sunk money into it people would complain about unfair
competition against other media outlets. The Deseret News seeks to turn a
The readers from CA and NJ are exactly right. Thanks to Clark Gilbert and his
decision to slash half his staff, the DNews is a shell of what it once was. You
can try to gussy up that shell all you want but it will never replace real
journalism done by real journalists. A newspaper is defined by its news. So if
you're not willing to invest in a newsroom, you really don't have a newspaper.
In that sense, the DNews already has failed. It is very sad.
Chris T | 10:56 a.m.I hope you're right about the DMN not failing...
I like having it around. I firmly believe we are better off
having MORE media outlets... not consolidating the media into one huge
government supporting media super-power (ala provda).
How would those people in New Jersey or California know anything about the new
design of the print paper? Did they get a copy overnighted via fedex?
Give us the option to self-edit our posts before submitting!
The next step should be easing the heavy hand of "standards &
practices"(the d.n.censorship board)!
I'm just glad we still have the Deseret News. Other papers have failed, this
DN Subscriber | 8:13 a.m. March 28, 2011I have been reading the DN
for the 28 years I have lived in Utah. The DN is not leaning left, the extreme
right is leaning further right. From that prospective, anything pragmatic,
educated or statesmanlike is seen as left leaning.Like Reagan said
about the democratic party. I did not leave the party, the party left me.
I think the new design looks great. Way to go graphic design department and
anybody else who worked on it. You rock!
"On the other hand | 8:40 a.m. March 28, 2011 Spanish Fork, UTCapitalism at work, folks."Uh, you do know who owns the
Deseret News don't you? The Deseret News is privately owned by the LDS Church
and in turn does not have the same economic pressure as other businesses.
Cutting the staff was a huge mistake. The quality has gone way down with the
addition of the sound bite tv people.
I'm too old fashioned. I still wish the Deseret News was managed and written by
journalists with journalism's values.
Capitalism at work, folks.Best wishes to the Deseret News.
You can make it look pretty but getting rid of so much of your experienced staff
was a huge mistake.
Sorry, I read the DNews most everyday, but I really hadn't noticed any
significant change.Like I say, sorry.
While the cosmetic changes are probably an improvement, the steady shift to the
left of the Deseret News' editorial positions and reporting are major negative
factors which cause me to question why I bother to subscribe to the print
edition at all.There are many choices for readers who want a left
leaning paper, both national and even here in Utah, but few that are objective
reporters with conservative editorial views. The former are losing readers at
an astonishing rate. Why be one of many failing papers when you could take the
road less traveled in the media world and possibly capture the loyal business of
conservatives, as in the case of Fox News which is thriving while other cable
news outlets are not.
This is truly a sad day for long time readers of the Deseret News. Indeed, we
have lost something special.Thomas F. Meagher once said that
"The greatest tragedy that could occur in this modern age would be for
style to triumph over substance." The new format changes in this paper
represent just that--style over substance.By its own admissions in
this article, the paper is removing substantive content in order to make it
easier for less educated readers to read. Newspapers should lift readers up, not
go down to their level.